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20180217 02:35:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Gosh darnit, 97% accuracy. WHY!?!?
20180217 02:35:30<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/414248455075266560/test1.PNG
20180217 02:36:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh man now I know what I Want for my birthday
20180217 02:36:39<+wesnoth-discord-> a typewriter!
20180217 02:36:44<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔
20180217 02:36:45<+wesnoth-discord-> that would be so noisy lol xD
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20180217 02:41:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I was messing around with debug mode and increasing a unit's hp changed it's side
20180217 02:42:02<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔
20180217 02:42:39<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah it was pretty weird, happened twice
20180217 02:43:32<+wesnoth-discord-> just reloaded and tried for a third time and it didn't do it
20180217 02:44:14<+wesnoth-discord-> There are keyboard shortcuts that you might accidentally be activating?
20180217 02:44:36<+wesnoth-discord-> It's e or u or ctrl+one of those to swap sides, I think
20180217 02:47:17<+wesnoth-discord-> that might be it, I cant find where it says that is a thing though
20180217 02:48:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I think they're displayed in the right click menu 👀
20180217 02:49:04<+wesnoth-discord-> ah, it's shift+u
20180217 02:49:23<+wesnoth-discord-> that's it, capitilazing the first letter out of habbit
20180217 02:49:55<+wesnoth-discord-> that's a weird shortcut
20180217 02:50:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I reached a milestone! :]
20180217 02:50:27<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/414252219572027393/test2.PNG
20180217 02:50:58<+wesnoth-discord-> And yeah must be some sort of built in command
20180217 03:04:00<+wesnoth-discord-> That is quite impressive, how do you type so fast xD
20180217 03:07:54<+wesnoth-discord-> You should try 20 seconds isar some time
20180217 03:25:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Hmm I mean I've been using a computer ever since I was two xD
20180217 03:25:43<+wesnoth-discord-> and I'm rebellious by nature so I never really learned the 10 fingers pattern or dvorak keyboard (I actually want to learn dvorak keyboard sometime) and I just sort of developed my own style
20180217 03:26:01<+wesnoth-discord-> I typed at 60 wpm in 6th grade so basically 5 years ago
20180217 03:26:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the key is to balance between using all your fingers/giving each finger a purpose and taking into account the comfort of your fingers maneuvering
20180217 03:27:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Other than that, a good surface and a good keyboard with the right angle helps more than people think. Like one time I was at a school library and all their computers are crappy and old and sticky; I took a typing test on one of them and only got like 90 WPM
20180217 03:28:02<+wesnoth-discord-> so its partly technique and partly technology and partly the test itself xD
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20180217 04:33:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I’m terrible at typing
20180217 04:33:38<+wesnoth-discord-> But I’m the best mouse user you’ll find in the seven seas
20180217 05:26:55<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah interesting. Im terrible at reading. I have a medium slow neurological reactivity and i read slow
20180217 05:27:06<+wesnoth-discord-> I think if u read slow then u type fast
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20180217 07:15:16<+wesnoth-discord-> What test did you use?
20180217 07:35:00<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.typingtest.com/ This
20180217 07:35:50<+wesnoth-discord-> also heres a youtube recording of me doing the aesop fable but its kind of embarassing and it has like 2 errors... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmb1qniBleo
20180217 07:36:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Someone told me that they did 180 wpm after 3 months of getting used to the dvorak keyboard
20180217 07:36:38<+wesnoth-discord-> I want a dvorak keyboard now
20180217 07:37:05<+wesnoth-discord-> although maybe it is possible to configure a generic keyboard to work and function the way a dvorak keyboard does? You would just ignore the physical letters on the keys
20180217 07:38:28<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm maybe not, because it is physically structured differently...
20180217 07:38:35<+wesnoth-discord-> or is it?
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20180217 14:40:39<+wesnoth-discord-> What are the most balanced multiplayer eras?
20180217 14:40:40<+wesnoth-discord-> EE?
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20180217 16:46:07<+wesnoth-discord-> That gives me some hope, since I also never bothered to learn to type with all the fingers xD
20180217 16:47:58<+wesnoth-discord-> But I guess i should have, I just didn't do the homework of learning the technique my computer science teacher
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20180217 16:55:16<+wesnoth-discord-> but when I took the test my typig speed was average, a bit surprising average considering that I know a lot of people who type significantly slower
20180217 16:55:37<+wesnoth-discord-> also I guess you would have to learn the text my heart to get the best result
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20180217 19:20:22<+wesnoth-discord-> What is jamming? Wesnoth 1.13.10
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20180217 20:06:53<+wesnoth-discord-> @Meta Mirage I use Dvorak. You just have to change the keyboard layout in your OS settings
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20180217 21:22:41<+wesnoth-discord-> jamming...jamming... a feature so few people use even I as a developer cannot remember what it does
20180217 21:24:22< zookeeper> it blocks enemy vision.
20180217 21:25:50< celticminstrel> Kinda want to use it in my campaign.
20180217 21:26:02< celticminstrel> Also it'd be great for a futuristic-themed era?
20180217 21:31:11<+wesnoth-discord-> how many completely unused features implemented on the whims of a random developer does Wesnoth have
20180217 21:32:46< zookeeper> surprisingly few, i suppose. not that i've been counting.
20180217 21:34:11<+wesnoth-discord-> a few, yes
20180217 21:34:12< DeFender1031> i dunno... there's all sorts of unit stats no one ever uses... like number of attacks allowed per turn.
20180217 21:34:22<+wesnoth-discord-> cores are the most egregious
20180217 21:34:26< DeFender1031> (yes, units are not limited to just 1.)
20180217 21:34:59< celticminstrel> Off the top of my head...
20180217 21:35:29< celticminstrel> Jamming
20180217 21:35:40< celticminstrel> Parry/accuracy
20180217 21:36:03< celticminstrel> IIRC you can set how many MP an attack consumes?
20180217 21:36:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I wanted to try making a unit that can fight up to 3 times, but has an alternate attack that uses up all of its attacks in one combat (which is obviously more powerful, since it takes fewer counterattacks) I suppose it'd be pretty easy with those features 👀
20180217 21:36:28< celticminstrel> I guess max attacks per turn like DeFender1031 said
20180217 21:36:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, you can celtic
20180217 21:36:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I have used parry/accuracy in my mod
20180217 21:36:48<+wesnoth-discord-> They're pretty cool IMO
20180217 21:36:49< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, attacks always eat all remaining MP, no?
20180217 21:36:57<+wesnoth-discord-> no
20180217 21:36:59<+wesnoth-discord-> it can be configured
20180217 21:37:00< DeFender1031> :O
20180217 21:37:03< zookeeper> cores are a good feature to have as such even if naturally it might go unused for a long time, so i don't really count that.
20180217 21:37:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Attacks not eating up all MP is actually used in mainline
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20180217 21:37:30< DeFender1031> where?
20180217 21:37:36< Ravana_> parry is used by now - rashy era has that
20180217 21:37:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Under the Burning Suns, Quenoth Archers.
20180217 21:37:58<+wesnoth-discord-> That's a substantial buff
20180217 21:38:09<+wesnoth-discord-> They didn't have that when I played 👀
20180217 21:38:12< zookeeper> it's conditional.
20180217 21:38:23< DeFender1031> nor i.
20180217 21:38:28< DeFender1031> conditional how?
20180217 21:38:38< zookeeper> it only works if you haven't yet moved at all
20180217 21:38:50<+wesnoth-discord-> oh
20180217 21:38:51< DeFender1031> also, you can always use events and actions to restore MP after an attack.
20180217 21:39:14< DeFender1031> that's different than a feature that doesn't take away the MP in the first place though.
20180217 21:39:19<+wesnoth-discord-> That seems like a really weird edge case that wouldn't affect how useful the unit is most of the time 👀
20180217 21:40:28<+wesnoth-discord-> ....I was gonna ask how it was implemented, but I could just go look myself :P
20180217 21:53:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Ok, I don't remember any of the Quenoth units that I'm seeing in the folder
20180217 21:56:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah o
20180217 21:56:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Comparing the 1.12 and 1.13 UTBS, the quenoth units folder doesn't exist at all in 1.12
20180217 21:56:47<+wesnoth-discord-> This explains everything.
20180217 21:58:18< zookeeper> yes, the desert elf units are completely redone in 1.13.
20180217 21:58:51<+wesnoth-discord-> And having looked at the code DeFender, the Quenoth Archer doesn't use any MP by attacking The event associated with the ability triggers after the attack, and zeroes MP if it's not the maximum value
20180217 21:59:34< DeFender1031> interesting.
20180217 21:59:43<+wesnoth-discord-> I could post the code if you want, but it's easily available lol
20180217 22:00:06< DeFender1031> yeah, I can check it myself.
20180217 22:05:15<+wesnoth-discord-> How strong would an ability to finish your movement after attacking be, if it only worked when you killed your target?
20180217 22:06:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Would it drastically alter combat if all a faction's units had that ability? What if all the factions in an era had it on all units?
20180217 22:06:19<+wesnoth-discord-> 🤔
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20180217 22:10:53< Ravana_> basically weaker version of hit and run ability, so not too strong
20180217 22:14:32< DeFender1031> what if everyone could always move after attacking and had infinite attacks per turn?
20180217 22:15:08< DeFender1031> It'd be like berzerker except you ca decide when to stop even if both combatants are still alive.
20180217 22:15:34< Ravana_> it might take too much micro from players to be used much
20180217 22:17:41< DeFender1031> ...it wasn't a serious suggestion.
20180217 22:18:19< Ravana_> easy to implement as modification though
20180217 22:21:20< DeFender1031> of course.
20180217 22:23:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Elves would be OP is what would happen. All of their units can give ranged retal
20180217 22:23:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Drakes as well to an extent, but they have large weaknesses while elves are more balanced
20180217 23:03:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Good point it would give elves unlimited retaliation
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20180217 23:27:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Eh, more to the point it would mean they can kill any Grunt/Dark Adept/Dwarf Fighter/etc for free
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20180217 23:44:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Well yeah
20180217 23:44:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe you can change it so that if one unit has ranged and uses it but the other unit doesnt have ranged
20180217 23:44:46<+wesnoth-discord-> then it doesnt go for an unlimited time?
20180217 23:44:58<+wesnoth-discord-> It just goes the default that was originally assigned to the unit like 6-3
20180217 23:45:25<+wesnoth-discord-> It makes more realistic sense cuz in an actual battle between 2 people, they could fight on and on and on continuously if they both fight melee or if they both fight ranged
20180217 23:45:43<+wesnoth-discord-> but if one is melee and one is ranged then they will reach contact at some point and get in close quarters
20180217 23:46:31<+wesnoth-discord-> and then of course, if one has melee and other doesn't, then it doesn't go for an unlimited time
20180217 23:46:37<+wesnoth-discord-> exception being berserker/ulfserker
20180217 23:47:24<+wesnoth-discord-> This would make it really really risky for an elf to try to attack a dwarvish fighter on a mountain with their bow
20180217 23:47:49<+wesnoth-discord-> cuz they will likely miss 2 and hit once or something, and then dwarf will retaliate with unlimited axe swings against elvish archer's dagger and then dwarf will crack elf skull
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