--- Log opened Mon Feb 19 00:00:14 2018 20180219 00:10:35-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180219 00:15:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Sure, why not? 20180219 00:26:28<+wesnoth-discord-> it's not like i was losing that level 20180219 00:26:39<+wesnoth-discord-> but it was an hour and i hadn't made any progress 20180219 00:26:55<+wesnoth-discord-> because it's dwarves vs. dwarves on cave terrain 20180219 00:27:10<+wesnoth-discord-> oh I wouldn't work it because it's too hard 20180219 00:27:11<+wesnoth-discord-> three tiles wide at a time 20180219 00:27:12<+wesnoth-discord-> rework* 20180219 00:27:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I'd rework it to make it more fun 20180219 00:27:42<+wesnoth-discord-> you need to open the tunnels to let then flow out 20180219 00:27:44<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, like, it just isn't fun, to have everyone crowded in a hallway, with a wall of enemies you chip away at 10 hp at a time 20180219 00:27:48<+wesnoth-discord-> so you can kill them 20180219 00:28:16<+wesnoth-discord-> dwarf mirror simulator 20180219 00:28:18<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 00:28:32<+wesnoth-discord-> alternately, it isn't fun to sit around in a big chamber waiting for enemies to flow out from a place you can't even see so how are you supposed to know that's what the intent is 20180219 00:28:44<+wesnoth-discord-> alternately, it isn't fun to sit around in a big chamber waiting for enemies to flow out from a place you can't even see so how are you supposed to know that's what the intent is 20180219 00:29:11<+wesnoth-discord-> use debug shroud i remember that i got a big frustrated during that level and turned off shroud 20180219 00:29:28<+wesnoth-discord-> i am not sure if there is fog 20180219 00:29:44<+wesnoth-discord-> *bit 20180219 00:34:59-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180219 00:45:01-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 00:45:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 01:10:35<+wesnoth-discord-> whenever a map is unbalanced 20180219 01:10:41<+wesnoth-discord-> which faction is often the most favored? 20180219 01:11:29<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean I know that most mountains favor dwarves, most forests favors elves, but like 20180219 01:11:41-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.156.44] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 01:11:41<+wesnoth-discord-> when you randomly generate a map it says it will typically be unbalanced 20180219 01:12:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Would one faction particularly be favored the most for those unbalanced maps? 20180219 01:15:01<+wesnoth-discord-> like on average? 20180219 01:15:46<+wesnoth-discord-> I think Loyalists or maybe Northerners would almost always have some sort of edge. 20180219 01:17:11<+wesnoth-discord-> They aren't terrain based, like Knalgans or Rebels. 20180219 01:17:20<+wesnoth-discord-> ah I see 20180219 01:17:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I was thinking about Undead 20180219 01:17:24<+wesnoth-discord-> what do you think about them? 20180219 01:17:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, probably. 20180219 01:17:41<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 01:18:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Undead are just generally good, aren't they? Also hello, I'm new here. 20180219 01:19:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180219 01:19:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Hello Poiman! 20180219 01:19:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome to the wesnoth discord! 20180219 01:20:00<+wesnoth-discord-> How good are Drakes, generally? I've always enjoyed playing them. 20180219 01:20:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome :] 20180219 01:20:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Bad at defense because they are bad on all terrain including mountains 20180219 01:20:28<+wesnoth-discord-> but units have a lot of firepower 20180219 01:20:29<+wesnoth-discord-> They are good if you use them right. 20180219 01:20:37<+wesnoth-discord-> expensive. Therefore, as a whole drakes are pretty hard to use 20180219 01:20:40<+wesnoth-discord-> kind of a quality > quantity 20180219 01:20:46<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180219 01:21:05<+wesnoth-discord-> They tend to have a lot of HP, Damage, and Movement, but they suck at defense. 20180219 01:21:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Also their resistances are decent. 20180219 01:22:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, to fire, blade and impact, those are really good. 20180219 01:22:21<+wesnoth-discord-> I think that the hardest part about drakes is holding ground. They are easy to chase around like because of bad terrain resistances 20180219 01:22:26<+wesnoth-discord-> and they are weak against piercing and cold 20180219 01:22:32<+wesnoth-discord-> although cold is rare 20180219 01:23:01<+wesnoth-discord-> so you probably lose villages a lot because for one, you dont have many units since the drakes are expensive, so not many villages can be occupied 20180219 01:23:07<+wesnoth-discord-> and secondly their resistances 20180219 01:23:24<+wesnoth-discord-> u kind of have to aggressively push to get enemy villages in order to compensate which can be hard I guess 20180219 01:23:36<+wesnoth-discord-> idk im also kind of a novice player and this is just my hypothesis 20180219 01:24:43<+wesnoth-discord-> That's not really that far off. Since you don't really care about defenses as Drakes, you have to be on the offense a lot, using Saurian Skirmishers as scouts. At least, that's how I go about it, usually. 20180219 01:25:09<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah saurians are pretty important, they cover some holes that the regular drakes have 20180219 01:25:14<+wesnoth-discord-> chaoticness + magic 20180219 01:25:32<+wesnoth-discord-> and defenses. 20180219 01:25:58<+wesnoth-discord-> oh ye 20180219 01:26:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Saurians and Gliders are good at sniping villages, btw. 20180219 01:26:01<+wesnoth-discord-> You learn of how powerful their defenses can be if you play through LoW. 20180219 01:26:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah 20180219 01:26:37<+wesnoth-discord-> It kind of feels unfitting to the game that the drake is the top unit listed for multiplayer wesnoth games in 1.13.11 20180219 01:27:03<+wesnoth-discord-> cuz they are not a 'main' faction you know what I mean? There are no campaigns dedicated to them, and they're as unhuman as you can get xD 20180219 01:27:32<+wesnoth-discord-> I see what you mean, but they are pretty canon. 20180219 01:28:29<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah but it feels like they belong at the bottom. I guess just nostalgia? xD 20180219 01:29:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I think they appear in TRoW, LoW, HttT, NR, THoT, DW, and maybe DM. 20180219 01:29:42<+wesnoth-discord-> I may have missed or confused some appearances though. 20180219 01:29:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Aren't Drakes and Elves the oldest factions lore-wise? 20180219 01:30:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Lore wise, it is Elves, Trolls and Dwarves to the Great Continent. 20180219 01:30:36<+wesnoth-discord-> (In that order) 20180219 01:30:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Then Nagas and Saurians, I believe. 20180219 01:31:55<+wesnoth-discord-> After the whole TRoW situation, then Humans, Drakes, Undead, Orcs, and maybe some other races mix themselves in. 20180219 01:34:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah, thanks. 20180219 01:34:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Welcome. 20180219 01:34:42<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah, Hamel is a geography guru for wesnoth :] 20180219 01:34:46<+wesnoth-discord-> He is like an elder dwarf XD 20180219 01:34:59<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 01:35:03<+wesnoth-discord-> wow undeads came before orcs? 20180219 01:35:22<+wesnoth-discord-> But he's not Hamel, though kappa 20180219 01:35:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Around the same time. 20180219 01:35:52<+wesnoth-discord-> The last few are not ordered chronologically. 20180219 01:37:04<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180219 01:41:17<+wesnoth-discord-> This is based off canon information from the guide and speculation of my own. Please correct me if I am wrong or made a mistake. At first, I believe Elves were all over, and Trolls lived in the hills. The Dwarves came many years later from tunnels the Elves and Trolls did not know where they led, since they were deep underground. Hundreds of years passed, and three great wars were fought. A treaty was made where Elves were 20180219 01:41:17<+wesnoth-discord-> granted the forests, and the Dwarves were granted all mountains and hills north of the Great River. Many years passed, and Orcs overran the Human-populated Green Isle. The Humans sailed away, and eventually reached there, with many hordes of Orcs and Undead at their heels. The Humans make a pact with the Elves, and fight the Orcs out of their lands, along with many Undead. Later, the Drakes' island sinks, and they search for new lands, 20180219 01:41:18<+wesnoth-discord-> eventually finding the Great Continent. 20180219 01:41:57<+wesnoth-discord-> ~And Dunefolk came from the south or some crap 20180219 01:42:03<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah XD 20180219 01:42:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally I think they are cool, but they don't have any canon information, other than they live in the Sandy Wastes seen in the TSG map. 20180219 01:43:03<+wesnoth-discord-> That right? 20180219 01:43:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I think so. 20180219 01:43:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Not sure. 20180219 01:45:26<+wesnoth-discord-> BTW, I'm guessing the campaigns that come with the base game are generally Canon and the add-on campaigns are generally non-Canon? 20180219 01:45:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180219 01:46:01<+wesnoth-discord-> The canon info is in the core campaigns and the help guide. 20180219 01:46:28<+wesnoth-discord-> I think the official wiki has some other canon stuff too. 20180219 01:49:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I kinda wish that you didn't have to actively get units to view them, but I do understand the reasoning. I'm guessing the Pick Your Recruits add-on can be a faster way to unlock them all? 20180219 01:49:31<+wesnoth-discord-> or debug 20180219 01:49:57<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. I personally like the Pick Your Recruits No Prep Turn one more. 20180219 01:50:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Coz i'm lazy and don't want to code a campaign. but I use like half a dozen addon mods to set it up. 20180219 01:51:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Wait, I meant Plan Your Advancements, not Pick Your Recruits for viewing units. 20180219 01:51:57<+wesnoth-discord-> You can go to advanced preferences and check "show all unit types in help" too 20180219 01:52:17<+wesnoth-discord-> That so? Thanks. 20180219 01:52:19< celticminstrel> Yeah, if you don't like unlocking them, then... don't! 20180219 01:53:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Now, time to ask for something a little more complicated... How would I go about making my own faction for MP? 20180219 01:53:35<+wesnoth-discord-> Considering how khan-like the dunefolk are 20180219 01:53:39<+wesnoth-discord-> I think they should add some sort of horse archer unit 20180219 01:54:16<+wesnoth-discord-> isn't the windrider a horse archer unit? 20180219 01:55:03<+wesnoth-discord-> @Poiman64#3836 There's tons of pages on the wiki on how to code your own stuff, including that, 20180219 01:55:07<+wesnoth-discord-> *. 20180219 01:55:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Aight, thanks. 20180219 01:55:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Windrider? 20180219 01:55:55<+wesnoth-discord-> https://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/mainline/et_EE/Dune%20Windrider.html 20180219 01:55:55<+wesnoth-discord-> aha 20180219 01:55:56<+wesnoth-discord-> yes, the dunefolk have horse archers already 20180219 01:55:59<+wesnoth-discord-> I didnt know it existed! 20180219 01:56:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay sweet :] 20180219 01:56:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Didn't Genghis Khan conquer predominantly with horse archers? 20180219 01:56:58<+wesnoth-discord-> khanquered 20180219 01:59:01<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 02:00:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Nice pun lol 20180219 02:02:14<+wesnoth-discord-> when you randomly generate a map the most imba units will be probably gryphs and the most imba faction drakes 20180219 02:03:58<+wesnoth-discord-> imba? 20180219 02:05:35<+wesnoth-discord-> imbalanced 20180219 02:05:47<+wesnoth-discord-> oh okay 20180219 02:06:23<+wesnoth-discord-> if you ever play on one of these randomly generated maps 20180219 02:06:40<+wesnoth-discord-> take drakes or try with gryph spam though they are very expensive so i am not sure how would it work 20180219 02:06:47<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe support with pads 20180219 02:07:02<+wesnoth-discord-> most of the random maps people will host will usually also be pretty big 20180219 02:07:13<+wesnoth-discord-> For liminal units 20180219 02:07:19<+wesnoth-discord-> when do they get 25% damage bonus? 20180219 02:07:22<+wesnoth-discord-> here of course i am willfuly ignoring the fact that you shouldnt play on a random map but if you do 20180219 02:07:24<+wesnoth-discord-> They are always at -25% for day and night 20180219 02:07:27<+wesnoth-discord-> and 0% for dusk and dawn 20180219 02:07:32<+wesnoth-discord-> they never get 25% dmg 20180219 02:07:40<+wesnoth-discord-> their base stats are better to compensate 20180219 02:07:45<+wesnoth-discord-> never 20180219 02:09:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh I see 20180219 02:12:40< aeth> Random maps definitely favor drakes. Mobility and easy passage through large chunks of non-flat terrain. 20180219 02:13:47< aeth> Unless the enemy is loyalists/drakes you can basically make sure that the only confrontation is at daytime ToD if you have a favorable map for Drakes 20180219 02:15:11<+wesnoth-discord-> btw I don't see any connotation between the mongols and khalif 20180219 02:15:50<+wesnoth-discord-> also it seems that now if khalif is renamed then i will have to learn the names of their units 20180219 02:16:52<+wesnoth-discord-> if i had thought about it before then i would be strongly against renamink khalifate xD all the lore stuff, all the integrity arguments and no real world connotations, it all means nothing if it means more work with learning unit names 20180219 02:16:53<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 02:43:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 02:44:07-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 02:53:32<+wesnoth-discord-> I think that one time 20180219 02:53:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I had read some statistics for Russian Wesnoth Ladder 20180219 02:54:02<+wesnoth-discord-> and statistically the drakes did the best (like 56% win rate which was the highest of all factions) 20180219 02:54:17<+wesnoth-discord-> *59% not 56% 20180219 02:54:22<+wesnoth-discord-> wonder if I can find it again 20180219 02:58:15<+wesnoth-discord-> the highest rated russian has 1740 elo I believe in their ladder 20180219 02:58:42<+wesnoth-discord-> That means that it is just very small and relying mainly on tournnament games 20180219 02:58:47<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 02:58:52<+wesnoth-discord-> 59% is not bad 20180219 02:59:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Does Kira1 have a discord? lol like is he/she on this server? 20180219 02:59:47<+wesnoth-discord-> but considering how most of the players there play (most arent very good, nothing surprising, as anywhere else) well that doesnt meant hat much 20180219 02:59:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I see 20180219 02:59:59<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont know, on this i bet that he is not 20180219 03:00:52<+wesnoth-discord-> also i am pretty sure that in the earlier days of wesnoth ladder drakes were maybe a bit op if used by somebody that has some idea how to play them 20180219 03:01:23<+wesnoth-discord-> almost nobody was playing well so drakes were tricking everybody 20180219 03:01:39<+wesnoth-discord-> legend says that in 2010 orc vs drake was imba in favor of drake xD 20180219 03:02:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I see... xD 20180219 03:03:54<+wesnoth-discord-> How does it feel to you 20180219 03:04:02<+wesnoth-discord-> to be like one of the best wesnoth players in the world 20180219 03:04:27<+wesnoth-discord-> hm 20180219 03:04:29<+wesnoth-discord-> pretty good 20180219 03:04:31<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 03:04:36<+wesnoth-discord-> ah :p xD 20180219 03:07:18<+wesnoth-discord-> how did you come up with your name? Elder of Zion XD 20180219 03:13:47<+wesnoth-discord-> it just sounds good 20180219 03:13:58<+wesnoth-discord-> i thought it would sound good on ladder 20180219 03:24:33<+wesnoth-discord-> nrn 20180219 03:24:41<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180219 03:24:48<+wesnoth-discord-> forgot to turn off dvorak keyboard xD 20180219 03:59:54-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 04:00:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 04:11:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh so you are Elder of Zion @EoZ? 20180219 04:11:16<+wesnoth-discord-> of course 20180219 04:11:36<+wesnoth-discord-> You mean you didn't know? 20180219 04:11:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Nope. 20180219 04:12:03<+wesnoth-discord-> .......ok 20180219 04:12:17<+wesnoth-discord-> interesting.... 20180219 04:12:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know the forum usernames of most of the people in here who aren't staff. 20180219 04:12:32<+wesnoth-discord-> (And I'm guessing 80% of them don't have a forum account.) 20180219 04:17:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I have a forum account! 20180219 04:17:25<+wesnoth-discord-> ....I just never use it 20180219 04:24:42<+wesnoth-discord-> but do you use the server? 20180219 04:24:53<+wesnoth-discord-> the MP server 20180219 04:28:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Nope. 20180219 04:30:14<+wesnoth-discord-> so you just sit here? xD 20180219 04:35:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, I've asked for help a few times on a dumb project 20180219 04:36:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Faster response times than on the forum, and you generally don't need to post large chunks of code to communicate what your question/problem is 20180219 04:36:57<+wesnoth-discord-> And it's interesting to watch the discussions sometimes. 20180219 04:37:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I've learned stuff about MP strategy, even though I don't really play it lol 20180219 04:38:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't play on the server too much, but I do play it sometimes though. 20180219 04:49:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Honestly if you haven't played a lot on it you probably aren't much better knowing some strats discussed here than if you didn't know them xD 20180219 04:51:09<+wesnoth-discord-> From my experience only some individuals will be able to perform some strategy they heard about well enough for it to be a good play, also even if you know some strategies if you lack basics it wont help much against a human opponent 20180219 04:52:02<+wesnoth-discord-> I am not too afraid talking about a lot of strats because from my experience it doesn't really help that much, though it did help some 20180219 04:53:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I remember one ladder player who copied one of my strats remarkably well xD 20180219 04:53:38<+wesnoth-discord-> Strats? 20180219 04:53:46<+wesnoth-discord-> short for strategies 20180219 04:53:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, okay. 20180219 04:58:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Sure, but I have (IMO) a decent grasp of fundamentals. And I have used some strategies I've read here to good effect vs the AI, when I wouldn't have known what to do before šŸ‘€ 20180219 04:59:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Not that I remember what any of them are, since I'm basically a šŸŸ 20180219 05:01:19<+wesnoth-discord-> FISHHEAD! :p 20180219 05:02:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Tropical fish, hm xD 20180219 05:03:52<+wesnoth-discord-> Those statements seem kinda fishy. 20180219 05:03:53<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 05:04:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol xD 20180219 05:04:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Jewish Fish cuz of Elder of Zion XD :P 20180219 05:05:34<+wesnoth-discord-> jewish fish ahhaha 20180219 05:05:43<+wesnoth-discord-> im going to make such a nick 20180219 05:06:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Btw I have a question: Would you say that you're at a disadvantage if you pick a faction and your opponent picks random? It just feels like that if someone knows what your faction is but you don't know what their faction is, then that they will have better unit picks because they know what ur faction is? 20180219 05:06:20<+wesnoth-discord-> oh yeah here one second lol 20180219 05:06:52<+wesnoth-discord-> hm it depends what faction I would pick vs random but hm 20180219 05:07:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Probably. 20180219 05:07:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol she doesnt want to see the 9k notifications of Jewish fish xD 20180219 05:07:11<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/415011402240229378/unknown.png 20180219 05:07:18<+wesnoth-discord-> I had this for a while actually 20180219 05:07:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes i think that they probably are at an advantage though it depends on matchup 20180219 05:07:28<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:07:45<+wesnoth-discord-> a usual reason for which you dont pick is not because your opp will go random 20180219 05:07:56<+wesnoth-discord-> its because he will pick faction that is good vs yours 20180219 05:08:21<+wesnoth-discord-> and if you cant agree on a matchup then you probably wont play or it will end as random vs random anyway 20180219 05:08:49<+wesnoth-discord-> theres factions that are good against other factions? 20180219 05:08:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Ah I see 20180219 05:09:13<+wesnoth-discord-> And some people are better at some factions than others. 20180219 05:09:26<+wesnoth-discord-> ;p 20180219 05:09:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I think it is hard to say but i think the guy who has random would have some advantage but if you picked some faction with strong leader then unless you get a bad matchup you should be fine 20180219 05:09:50<+wesnoth-discord-> what do you mean by a good/bad matchup? 20180219 05:09:52<+wesnoth-discord-> eg loyalist with lieutenant i think you could have some benefits to compensate for his counterrecruit 20180219 05:09:57<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:10:08<+wesnoth-discord-> eg i pick undead and my opp picks elves 20180219 05:10:15<+wesnoth-discord-> and starts spamming woses and fighters 20180219 05:11:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I see what youre saying. It's probably me that I don't like playing random. Like, I'm best at Knalgans, Khalifate/Dunefolk, and Northerners, descent with Loyalists and Rebels, but I kinda suck with Drakes and Undead. 20180219 05:12:02<+wesnoth-discord-> you can counter your faction with your recruits and you dont even need some especially good matchup 20180219 05:12:03<+wesnoth-discord-> ah so elves are good against undead? 20180219 05:12:09<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean the faction of your opp 20180219 05:12:12<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180219 05:12:13<+wesnoth-discord-> oh 20180219 05:12:16<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180219 05:12:28<+wesnoth-discord-> elves vs ud was an extreme example 20180219 05:12:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Though, I kinda suck playing them against Undead. 20180219 05:12:45<+wesnoth-discord-> (just me personally) 20180219 05:13:04<+wesnoth-discord-> but a less extreme one would be your opp picks orcs and you probably go very simple defensive recruit like spamming only elvish fighters on spears, usually the best 20180219 05:13:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Mind telling me which factions are good against which? lol xD 20180219 05:13:17<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:13:28<+wesnoth-discord-> just spam woses but you have to get a few fighters at the start 20180219 05:13:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Well, they are balanced for the most part, but some have advantages. 20180219 05:13:44<+wesnoth-discord-> if they recruit ghosts then it is a bit harder you have to fend them off 20180219 05:13:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Like the beforementioned matchups. 20180219 05:13:59<+wesnoth-discord-> generally if map is pretty closed if you get the critical wose mass game is over 20180219 05:14:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay. Thanks for the tips. It'll definitely help. 20180219 05:14:26<+wesnoth-discord-> crimson: sure 20180219 05:14:49<+wesnoth-discord-> but it is hard to explain everything in acceptable level of detail 20180219 05:14:52<+wesnoth-discord-> so maybe pick a faction 20180219 05:15:11<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:15:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Crimson: Like how with Loys v Orcs, you are strong when they are weak, but like with Orcs v Undead, you have advantages at the same time. 20180219 05:15:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Right 20180219 05:15:54<+wesnoth-discord-> these 2 are pretty balanced matchups 20180219 05:16:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I still dont know what faction I like best 20180219 05:16:10<+wesnoth-discord-> though it is easier to play as orc vs ud but i would prefer to be ud 20180219 05:16:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I play loyalists cuz they are the easiest and most flexible 20180219 05:16:24<+wesnoth-discord-> but I feel like that it doesnt cater to my personality? idk 20180219 05:16:31<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:16:49<+wesnoth-discord-> so what would you want out of the faction 20180219 05:16:50<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 05:17:22<+wesnoth-discord-> i know dozens of factions, a faction for everybody 20180219 05:17:27<+wesnoth-discord-> ofc not only def 20180219 05:17:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Well in chess 20180219 05:17:38<+wesnoth-discord-> I like to create sound attacks 20180219 05:17:43<+wesnoth-discord-> like so playing aggressive 20180219 05:17:49<+wesnoth-discord-> but not unsound or magic aggression 20180219 05:17:52<+wesnoth-discord-> like calculated aggression 20180219 05:18:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I also like using pieces more than pawns 20180219 05:18:12<+wesnoth-discord-> hah well orc or undead 20180219 05:18:17<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:18:25<+wesnoth-discord-> With the faction types, just try and find one that fits you. Like how I play Knalgans and Khalifs because they are more quality based. Meanwhile, Orcs are more quantity based. Elves and Dwarves tend to be terrain based, and Loys and Drakes tend to be more versatile. 20180219 05:18:39<+wesnoth-discord-> orc is all about rush 20180219 05:18:42<+wesnoth-discord-> I see 20180219 05:18:47<+wesnoth-discord-> you have numbers, its fun 20180219 05:18:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180219 05:18:59<+wesnoth-discord-> ud has dark adepts 20180219 05:19:05<+wesnoth-discord-> that give it more offensive potential 20180219 05:19:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Grunts cost 12 gold, and most fighters cost 14. 20180219 05:19:14<+wesnoth-discord-> but units are more expensive and harder to use 20180219 05:19:23<+wesnoth-discord-> So it's not much of a difference, but it helps. 20180219 05:19:26<+wesnoth-discord-> its a game of counters 20180219 05:19:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, yeah definitely with the undead. 20180219 05:19:41<+wesnoth-discord-> grunt best unit in the game 20180219 05:19:42<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 05:19:47<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 05:19:55<+wesnoth-discord-> da is definitely best mage in the game 20180219 05:20:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll be right back in a few. 20180219 05:20:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Well I like to grab a lot of space 20180219 05:20:17<+wesnoth-discord-> and I hate losing villages 20180219 05:20:29<+wesnoth-discord-> hm i think the strongest mage that is yet in ageless era now is elvish acolyte 20180219 05:20:40<+wesnoth-discord-> play orc 20180219 05:20:44<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 05:20:47<+wesnoth-discord-> okay :3 20180219 05:20:56<+wesnoth-discord-> all about rushing? 20180219 05:21:04<+wesnoth-discord-> ofc im talking about 1v1 but it also applies to isar and other 2v2s 20180219 05:21:12<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah im also talking about 1v1 20180219 05:21:14<+wesnoth-discord-> on isar orc is the strongest faction 20180219 05:21:20<+wesnoth-discord-> you see 20180219 05:21:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Only 1v1 matters to me actually, 20180219 05:21:24<+wesnoth-discord-> ah I see 20180219 05:21:24<+wesnoth-discord-> if you didnt know that 20180219 05:21:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I didn't know that 20180219 05:21:34<+wesnoth-discord-> in 1v1 starting tod is dawn so you can rush 20180219 05:21:49<+wesnoth-discord-> so get like 4 grunts and rush on one side and harass on the other 20180219 05:22:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Actually when I was like 6 years old 20180219 05:22:16<+wesnoth-discord-> I think I remember orcs being my favorite faction 20180219 05:22:18<+wesnoth-discord-> if you want you can even recruit only grunts 20180219 05:22:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I'll give it a try :D 20180219 05:22:26<+wesnoth-discord-> ah lol 20180219 05:22:27<+wesnoth-discord-> orcs are cool 20180219 05:22:38<+wesnoth-discord-> its kind of a valid strat 20180219 05:23:00<+wesnoth-discord-> well this is just no wolf scouts rush 20180219 05:23:28<+wesnoth-discord-> the original version of it is you recruit only grunts, you delay taking your villages a bit but you will most likely get a bit stronger rush 20180219 05:23:53<+wesnoth-discord-> you can do it differently ofc eg get some archers or maybe assasins 20180219 05:24:16<+wesnoth-discord-> but generally i like to always get 2 scouts so i dont remember using it xD 20180219 05:24:25<+wesnoth-discord-> but it can be effective 20180219 05:24:32<+wesnoth-discord-> though you will lack vision 20180219 05:24:40<+wesnoth-discord-> any general tips for orcs? Like how to start off in most 1v1 maps? 20180219 05:24:54<+wesnoth-discord-> im assuming like 1 wolf and 4 grunts? 20180219 05:25:09<+wesnoth-discord-> ah 20180219 05:25:49<+wesnoth-discord-> generally i start 2 wolves and it is good to have at least 3 grunts on one side 20180219 05:30:47<+wesnoth-discord-> On maps with fog/shroud with any faction, I usually start getting one of each of the faction's basic melee and ranged, with a scout unit, and then when I see what the enemy is, I recruit accordingly. 20180219 05:32:38<+wesnoth-discord-> you can almost never go wrong recruiting "basic" units like spearmen or elf fighters first turn or grunts 20180219 05:32:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180219 05:33:03<+wesnoth-discord-> with drakes it is tricker, with ud i usually start with 2 adepts and skeletons though on some maps i atatck with 3 20180219 05:33:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Even against undead, they have some use. Like Adept killers. 20180219 05:33:25<+wesnoth-discord-> I said almost because if you are loyal and overrecruit spears vs good ud player you are dead 20180219 05:33:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Or if all else fails, meat shhields. 20180219 05:33:34<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh yeah. 20180219 05:33:59<+wesnoth-discord-> a good, or actually a very good ud player will start spamming skeletons vs loyal 20180219 05:34:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. 20180219 05:34:19<+wesnoth-discord-> as loyal you better pray they overrecruit adepts 20180219 05:34:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah. XD 20180219 05:35:02<+wesnoth-discord-> you need to get a lot of skeletons to have a critical mass, ofc also some adepts 20180219 05:45:30<+wesnoth-discord-> btw when i said pick a faction i meant to pick a faction to explain what is good vs it but whatever xD 20180219 05:54:26<+wesnoth-discord-> ohh 20180219 05:54:33<+wesnoth-discord-> can you explain to me what is good against northerners, then? :p 20180219 05:54:40<+wesnoth-discord-> and what northerners is good against too 20180219 05:56:29<+wesnoth-discord-> hm elves or undead i think 20180219 05:56:35<+wesnoth-discord-> loyalists are also pretty good 20180219 05:56:42<+wesnoth-discord-> undead probably not so good 20180219 05:56:54<+wesnoth-discord-> i mean not so good if you dont know how to win that 20180219 05:57:26<+wesnoth-discord-> probably elves the best 20180219 05:59:04<+wesnoth-discord-> orcs are good vs drakes i think rest of the matchups seem pretty balanced 20180219 05:59:47<+wesnoth-discord-> you can play loyalists vs them and it will be pretty even, rebels are strongest because of their defensive capabilities 20180219 06:00:50<+wesnoth-discord-> I hate being weak against rebels 20180219 06:00:54<+wesnoth-discord-> cuz I picture rebels as very puny and weak 20180219 06:01:11<+wesnoth-discord-> elves are numerous 20180219 06:01:14<+wesnoth-discord-> and they bring bows 20180219 06:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Elves are technically taller than most races on average. 20180219 06:01:41<+wesnoth-discord-> its not like you are particularly weak vs elf, you are just slightly weak 20180219 06:01:51<+wesnoth-discord-> but generally pretty balanced compared to other matchups 20180219 06:03:16<+wesnoth-discord-> ah good :p 20180219 06:05:46<+wesnoth-discord-> anyone want to play on the development server? 20180219 06:05:49<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.13.11 20180219 06:06:24<+wesnoth-discord-> what is the reason to play on 1.13 and not 1.12 20180219 06:07:03<+wesnoth-discord-> If people insist on avoiding 1.13.x then we don't get to find out about all the bugs need to be fixed before 1.14.0. 20180219 06:07:49<+wesnoth-discord-> So giving it a try is highly recommended if you want to help Wesnoth 1.14.0 be a quality release. 20180219 06:08:39<+wesnoth-discord-> hm considering that i think i have never played with you before 20180219 06:08:50<+wesnoth-discord-> i could probably download 13.11 20180219 06:21:47<+wesnoth-discord-> ok man what do you want to play 20180219 06:25:27<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/fcfia 20180219 06:25:32<+wesnoth-discord-> nice GUI 20180219 06:25:40<+wesnoth-discord-> how am i supposed to see what i am typing 20180219 06:27:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Isnt it great when you run the new version 20180219 06:28:00<+wesnoth-discord-> and just when you try to log on the server you notice the first "bug" 20180219 06:28:15<+wesnoth-discord-> i expected more 20180219 06:28:19<+wesnoth-discord-> today is a day for bugs 20180219 06:28:22<+wesnoth-discord-> >_< 20180219 06:28:25<+wesnoth-discord-> bugs everywhere 20180219 06:29:06<+wesnoth-discord-> well 20180219 06:29:09<+wesnoth-discord-> we can play survival 20180219 06:29:13<+wesnoth-discord-> do you like survival? 20180219 06:29:19<+wesnoth-discord-> šŸ› 20180219 06:30:24<+wesnoth-discord-> sure 20180219 06:30:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm playing Ageless Era vs Expirmental AI right now 20180219 06:30:29<+wesnoth-discord-> but which one 20180219 06:30:31<+wesnoth-discord-> are you in the lobby? 20180219 06:30:32<+wesnoth-discord-> mayben ot too long 20180219 06:30:35<+wesnoth-discord-> ok 20180219 06:30:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I guess the 2p survival 20180219 06:30:42<+wesnoth-discord-> no give me a sec 20180219 06:30:55<+wesnoth-discord-> like i mentioned i log in and i dont even see the nick i am typing 20180219 06:31:21<+wesnoth-discord-> If you can't see it, type it somewhere else and copy paste it in. 20180219 06:31:25<+wesnoth-discord-> 2p/3p survival by Coffe 20180219 06:31:34<+wesnoth-discord-> also I think I will make some coffee 20180219 06:31:42<+wesnoth-discord-> this is so stupid, really 20180219 06:31:47<+wesnoth-discord-> this tilts me slightly 20180219 06:32:04<+wesnoth-discord-> so i should play the new version but somehow just when i try to type my nick i encounter problems 20180219 06:32:12<+wesnoth-discord-> has anybody even tested the new version or what 20180219 06:32:39<+wesnoth-discord-> ok mate 20180219 06:32:41<+wesnoth-discord-> log on the server 20180219 06:32:50<+wesnoth-discord-> wat 20180219 06:32:51<+wesnoth-discord-> is this the experimental lobby? 20180219 06:32:55<+wesnoth-discord-> it doesn't even accept 1.13.10 20180219 06:32:57<+wesnoth-discord-> u_u 20180219 06:34:03<+wesnoth-discord-> are you howwitty? 20180219 06:34:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Hey how do i get back the old lobby 20180219 06:35:00<+wesnoth-discord-> It was removed. 20180219 06:35:01<+wesnoth-discord-> i already decided to torture myself with new theme 20180219 06:35:10<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180219 06:35:10<+wesnoth-discord-> dammit 20180219 06:35:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I am 20180219 06:35:12<+wesnoth-discord-> why 20180219 06:35:14<+wesnoth-discord-> and we have played 20180219 06:35:33<+wesnoth-discord-> this one is so confusing 20180219 06:35:42<+wesnoth-discord-> this game joined 20180219 06:35:44<+wesnoth-discord-> so many big unnecessary things 20180219 06:35:47<+wesnoth-discord-> like these buttons 20180219 06:35:50<+wesnoth-discord-> change is painful 20180219 06:36:01<+wesnoth-discord-> especially for trannies 20180219 06:36:14<+wesnoth-discord-> sorry 20180219 06:36:22<+wesnoth-discord-> @humpty_hump Only warning you're getting. See #welcome for the rules. 20180219 06:36:57<+wesnoth-discord-> EoZ let's go 20180219 06:37:50<+wesnoth-discord-> hm that one 20180219 06:37:59<+wesnoth-discord-> can we play something faster 20180219 06:38:03<+wesnoth-discord-> ok... 20180219 06:38:08<+wesnoth-discord-> such as? 20180219 06:38:18<+wesnoth-discord-> i think survival is too long, i dont feel like spending so much time in that new version 20180219 06:38:25<+wesnoth-discord-> A map with no keeps. 20180219 06:38:25<+wesnoth-discord-> its so inferior 20180219 06:38:26<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 06:38:35<+wesnoth-discord-> so anl wall 20180219 06:38:42<+wesnoth-discord-> since we are just 2 20180219 06:38:54<+wesnoth-discord-> map with no keeps 20180219 06:38:55<+wesnoth-discord-> unless there wont come more people and we cant host sth like isar 20180219 06:39:00<+wesnoth-discord-> idk host whatever 1v1 maybe 20180219 06:39:01<+wesnoth-discord-> what 20180219 06:39:26<+wesnoth-discord-> why play isar 20180219 06:39:30<+wesnoth-discord-> it's overplayed 20180219 06:39:41<+wesnoth-discord-> becausei ts fast 20180219 06:39:43<+wesnoth-discord-> that is why 20180219 06:39:46<+wesnoth-discord-> how about an asymmetrical map 20180219 06:39:53<+wesnoth-discord-> with an odd number of players 20180219 06:40:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I have 7 hours 20180219 06:41:01<+wesnoth-discord-> then get a 3rd player 20180219 06:41:19<+wesnoth-discord-> 3rd player, where are you? 20180219 06:41:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I would play, but it's 11:40pm here. 20180219 06:41:34<+wesnoth-discord-> I should get to sleep soon. 20180219 06:41:44<+wesnoth-discord-> shadowm is playing 20180219 06:41:50<+wesnoth-discord-> wrong version though 20180219 06:42:14<+wesnoth-discord-> I left that open, I'm working on something else entirely. 20180219 06:42:26<+wesnoth-discord-> But tomorrow I should be available. It's a holiday, so I don't have work or anythink. 20180219 06:42:32<+wesnoth-discord-> oh, are you playing a campaign? 20180219 06:42:37<+wesnoth-discord-> *anything 20180219 06:43:10<+wesnoth-discord-> argh 20180219 06:43:19<+wesnoth-discord-> took me some time to see what players are in the selected game 20180219 06:43:30<+wesnoth-discord-> why there are so many unnecessary things that clutter the lobby 20180219 06:43:40<+wesnoth-discord-> just make the resolution bigger 20180219 06:43:46<+wesnoth-discord-> host something in defalt 20180219 06:43:53<+wesnoth-discord-> i am not going to download addons for 1.13 20180219 06:43:57<+wesnoth-discord-> you might have to buy another monitor 20180219 06:44:48<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/0fx41 20180219 06:44:49<+wesnoth-discord-> whyy 20180219 06:45:07<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/6tmcl 20180219 06:45:11<+wesnoth-discord-> aaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhh 20180219 06:45:15<+wesnoth-discord-> what is that 20180219 06:45:27<+wesnoth-discord-> why i cant see the number of max players in the game 20180219 06:45:50<+wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz 20180219 06:45:55<+wesnoth-discord-> 5g ? 20180219 06:45:58<+wesnoth-discord-> i have no polite words to describe how bad is this 20180219 06:46:11<+wesnoth-discord-> I strongly advise you use polite words. 20180219 06:46:15<+wesnoth-discord-> there is that big empty bar 20180219 06:46:16<+wesnoth-discord-> well don't use any impolite words or you'll get a warning! 20180219 06:46:16<+wesnoth-discord-> what is going on here 20180219 06:46:25<+wesnoth-discord-> that could be filled 20180219 06:46:33<+wesnoth-discord-> what are those links 20180219 06:46:36<+wesnoth-discord-> with number of max players and number of players 20180219 06:46:39<+wesnoth-discord-> 5 gracz 20180219 06:46:48<+wesnoth-discord-> max players = 5 20180219 06:46:51<+wesnoth-discord-> there 20180219 06:46:59<+wesnoth-discord-> 5g 20180219 06:47:08<+wesnoth-discord-> its the name of the map 20180219 06:47:16<+wesnoth-discord-> what? 20180219 06:47:18<+wesnoth-discord-> i think 20180219 06:47:21<+wesnoth-discord-> the name of the map is Forest of Fear 20180219 06:47:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Las Strachu 20180219 06:47:50<+wesnoth-discord-> hm 20180219 06:47:51<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/415036743033552896/unknown.png 20180219 06:47:53<+wesnoth-discord-> are you even Polish? 20180219 06:47:53<+wesnoth-discord-> that's odd 20180219 06:47:58<+wesnoth-discord-> Looks like the problem is that there's some issue with text overflow. 20180219 06:48:01<+wesnoth-discord-> ok whatever it still is not idea 20180219 06:48:03<+wesnoth-discord-> ideal 20180219 06:48:19<+wesnoth-discord-> ok i am going to look at other things now 20180219 06:48:19<+wesnoth-discord-> come on man 20180219 06:48:24<+wesnoth-discord-> I hosted 3 games already 20180219 06:48:30<+wesnoth-discord-> if you have a specific one in mind, host that one 20180219 06:48:45<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm not going to keep hosting different things until you feel like joining 20180219 06:49:24<+wesnoth-discord-> btw 20180219 06:49:51<+wesnoth-discord-> is that big list of the map settings or whatever that was necessary 20180219 06:49:52<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel like that nobody can beat EoZ 20180219 06:50:06<+wesnoth-discord-> have you even tried? 20180219 06:50:09<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180219 06:50:10<+wesnoth-discord-> couldnt it be only shown when you click on that exclamation mark or whatever that can be called 20180219 06:50:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Damn what is all this hype and drama in the wesnoth chat xD 20180219 06:50:34<+wesnoth-discord-> whenever i point my corsor on it it like covers so much space on the screen 20180219 06:51:00<+wesnoth-discord-> it's a tooltip 20180219 06:51:09<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah tooltpi that is the word i lacked 20180219 06:51:26<+wesnoth-discord-> cant it be whown only when you click on it or in some other way 20180219 06:52:09<+wesnoth-discord-> or maybe just display the most important base settings of a game on the screen under the game and include some tooltip that is shown only when you click on it with the rest of the settings 20180219 06:52:32<+wesnoth-discord-> howwitty: you hosted 5g forest of fear come on 20180219 06:52:49<+wesnoth-discord-> there used to be more info inline 20180219 06:52:51<+wesnoth-discord-> i removed it 20180219 06:53:10<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ I already started 20180219 06:54:00<+wesnoth-discord-> i cant observe your game 20180219 06:54:02<+wesnoth-discord-> is that normal 20180219 06:54:14<+wesnoth-discord-> no it's not normal 20180219 06:54:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I didn't enable observers though, so it's ok 20180219 06:54:26<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/iy2mv 20180219 06:54:38<+wesnoth-discord-> no it says that obs allowed 20180219 06:54:50<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/wi0xa 20180219 06:54:54<+wesnoth-discord-> this means obs allowed 20180219 06:54:56<+wesnoth-discord-> but i cant observe 20180219 06:55:00<+wesnoth-discord-> hm, makes sense xD 20180219 06:55:43<+wesnoth-discord-> btw howwitty i said that you can host some 3p map if you find another player 20180219 06:55:54<+wesnoth-discord-> and before that i said that you should host whatever 1v1 map you want 20180219 06:56:03<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe you should host a 3p map and notify me when you're ready to play 20180219 06:56:07<+wesnoth-discord-> EoZ 20180219 06:56:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Which is worse, Girl Undead, or this? 20180219 06:56:18<+wesnoth-discord-> this 20180219 06:56:19<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 06:56:21<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 06:56:38<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm going to listen to sad Wesnoth music until someone makes a game 20180219 06:56:44<+wesnoth-discord-> howwitty: hosting a 3p map was your idea 20180219 06:56:53<+wesnoth-discord-> mine was 1v1 20180219 06:57:22<+wesnoth-discord-> no, I said an "asymmetrical map" with an odd number of players 20180219 06:57:35<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't have any asymmetrical 3p maps, so the next odd number is 5 20180219 06:57:36<+wesnoth-discord-> so 3p 20180219 06:57:41<+wesnoth-discord-> 5p is unrealistic 20180219 06:57:55<+wesnoth-discord-> eh 20180219 06:57:58<+wesnoth-discord-> it's a classic map 20180219 06:58:01<+wesnoth-discord-> you could mean many things by assymetric 20180219 06:58:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Wilderlands is one of my favorites and it is asymmetric. 20180219 06:58:42<+wesnoth-discord-> as in "without symmetry" 20180219 06:58:59<+wesnoth-discord-> first of all 20180219 06:59:07<+wesnoth-discord-> when you get 3 more players tell me 20180219 06:59:14<+wesnoth-discord-> until that i will consider that unrealistic 20180219 06:59:34<+wesnoth-discord-> idk why but I was laughing so freaking hard when EoZ came in here and was like "Shh guys, I need to rant about Girl Undead!" writes 3 paragraphs about girl undead and how its good ish in the beginning and then gets strenuous with bad balancing towards the end 20180219 06:59:39<+wesnoth-discord-> lol 20180219 07:00:37<+wesnoth-discord-> isn't that the campaign in Korean with no translation? 20180219 07:00:44<+wesnoth-discord-> I forgot 20180219 07:00:49<+wesnoth-discord-> it was ~8 months ago 20180219 07:00:50<+wesnoth-discord-> probably japanese with machine translation 20180219 07:00:56<+wesnoth-discord-> everybody needs a rant once in a while 20180219 07:01:09<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah something like that 20180219 07:01:30<+wesnoth-discord-> still its just hilarious XDD 20180219 07:01:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't know why 20180219 07:01:44<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe your style of typing, how you say xD sparingly but surely 20180219 07:01:50<+wesnoth-discord-> idk lol 20180219 07:01:53<+wesnoth-discord-> well 20180219 07:01:55<+wesnoth-discord-> thx i guess 20180219 07:01:57<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 07:02:03<+wesnoth-discord-> lol no problem : pxD 20180219 07:02:26<+wesnoth-discord-> pxD = probability of xD 20180219 07:02:35<+wesnoth-discord-> ahahah 20180219 07:03:28<+wesnoth-discord-> P(xD | ranting) = 1.0 20180219 07:03:47<+wesnoth-discord-> šŸ¤“ 20180219 07:04:27<+wesnoth-discord-> LOL 20180219 07:04:37<+wesnoth-discord-> nPr 20180219 07:04:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm a little upset by how OP the Qenoth faction is 20180219 07:05:00<+wesnoth-discord-> I say xD a lot, people see it as cringey but when they complain about it being cringey, it encourages me to play xD more 20180219 07:05:56<+wesnoth-discord-> has anybody played sylvans in ageless? 20180219 07:06:20<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah 20180219 07:06:31<+wesnoth-discord-> was playing on caves of the basilisk when u showed up 20180219 07:06:37<+wesnoth-discord-> they have elvish acolyte aka the elvish sorceress that helps us in iftu 20180219 07:06:45<+wesnoth-discord-> anlinde was her name i think 20180219 07:06:52<+wesnoth-discord-> oh interesting, so if I droid my side and the ai advances a unit, I still choose the advancement 20180219 07:06:53<+wesnoth-discord-> that unit is so broken 20180219 07:06:59<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think that's supposed to happen 20180219 07:07:31<+wesnoth-discord-> once i recruited only them on hardcore orocia, people were telling me that I cant just spam mages and win 20180219 07:07:44<+wesnoth-discord-> fools xD i did spam only mages and I won 20180219 07:08:23<+wesnoth-discord-> did you have xp mod on so you could increase hp 20180219 07:08:46<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm choosing advancements on a droided sideā“ 20180219 07:08:49<+wesnoth-discord-> i think i did but it is questionable how useful xp mod is on orocia 20180219 07:09:09<+wesnoth-discord-> very useful if you have amla on level 1 20180219 07:09:19<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/415042139198849041/unknown.png 20180219 07:09:22<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/n-o-d-es-handheld-linux-terminal/ 20180219 07:09:52<+wesnoth-discord-> does Wesnoth ship with some version of Ubuntu? 20180219 07:10:45<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not a default-installed package but yes, it's been part of Ubuntu for ages. 20180219 07:22:19< Bonobo> is the lobby chatlog now intended to get pruned every time you leave and reenter the lobby? 20180219 07:23:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Hasn't that always been the case? 20180219 07:24:28< Bonobo> nope 20180219 07:24:44<+wesnoth-discord-> classical theme is bugged 20180219 07:24:44< Bonobo> unless you mean by going back to the main menu 20180219 07:24:51<+wesnoth-discord-> it is not classical theme 20180219 07:25:12< Bonobo> it looks like every time you enter a game and then go back to the main lobby you lose the chatlog 20180219 07:25:39<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/shh3u 20180219 07:25:40< Bonobo> the chatlog is quite handy to keep around for a whole session 20180219 07:25:43<+wesnoth-discord-> that font is so terrible 20180219 07:26:05<+wesnoth-discord-> Yeah, just checked 1.12 actually does remember the lobby unless you quit to the titlescreen @Vultraz 20180219 07:26:15<+wesnoth-discord-> what? 20180219 07:26:24<+wesnoth-discord-> Lobby chat. 20180219 07:26:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Btw can we get classical classical theme in 1.13 20180219 07:26:45<+wesnoth-discord-> I wonder that text dialog would benefit from having a larger text size 20180219 07:27:09<+wesnoth-discord-> @shadowm yes, that's gone. I know. 20180219 07:27:13<+wesnoth-discord-> not easy to put back. 20180219 07:27:17<+wesnoth-discord-> Agreed itā€™s a little thin though 20180219 07:27:34<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/jycbd 20180219 07:27:37<+wesnoth-discord-> and some better font please 20180219 07:27:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Options are severely limited 20180219 07:28:09<+wesnoth-discord-> yes, make demands, that's definitely how to get people to make changes. 20180219 07:28:15< Bonobo> is it possible to get it back though, @Vultraz? Losing the chatlog is quite a regression 20180219 07:28:22<+wesnoth-discord-> I see no downside at all to your behavior here 20180219 07:28:26<+wesnoth-discord-> However, EoZ, I do have a larger sidebar UI plan in the works. It just wonā€™t be ready by 1.14. 20180219 07:28:35< vultraz> Bonobo: I can try 20180219 07:28:35<+wesnoth-discord-> From the screenshot, it looks to me like full hinting isn't being used. 20180219 07:28:45<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ Meanwhile, all these things are moddable 20180219 07:28:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Which is strange, because AFAIK we are enabling it. 20180219 07:29:47<+wesnoth-discord-> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/dc89612dc4cde077dfa55dd062925bffdc77f6c8/fonts/fonts.conf#L23-L27 20180219 07:29:53< Bonobo> whisper rooms is a very nice addition 20180219 07:30:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I honestly do not care but i want to know why classical theme works properly in 1.12 and doesnt in 1.13 20180219 07:30:22<+wesnoth-discord-> why it is different 20180219 07:30:26<+wesnoth-discord-> what are you talking about 20180219 07:30:28<+wesnoth-discord-> it works fine 20180219 07:30:36<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/xq3th 20180219 07:30:37<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.12 20180219 07:30:42<+wesnoth-discord-> http://scr.hu/2lyq/q8q6l 20180219 07:30:43<+wesnoth-discord-> 1.13 20180219 07:30:59<+wesnoth-discord-> different font 20180219 07:31:11<+wesnoth-discord-> and a few other things 20180219 07:31:22<+wesnoth-discord-> stop complaining 20180219 07:31:50< Bonobo> the font is fine, but it's a little less readable now that it's a little smaller 20180219 07:32:02<+wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz Hey now, an open source project benefits from constructive feedback. 20180219 07:32:16<+wesnoth-discord-> sorry i didnt know i am not allowed to complain 20180219 07:32:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Emphasis on constructive. 20180219 07:32:45<+wesnoth-discord-> And many items have gotten larger text. And some UI scaling has been implemented? 20180219 07:33:02<+wesnoth-discord-> EoZ, take a screenshot of the menu from 1.12 and 1.13 20180219 07:33:20<+wesnoth-discord-> No, UI scaling is not implemented. Vultraz has experimented a bit, but nothing has landed in master. 20180219 07:33:33<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive I think he means the Font Scaling slider in prefs 20180219 07:33:41<+wesnoth-discord-> ok, so I will try to be more constructive. The font is less readable and smaller, there is that unnecessary "attacks" word and instead on - in attacks there is x 20180219 07:33:43<+wesnoth-discord-> That slider is new? 20180219 07:33:48<+wesnoth-discord-> in 1.13 yes 20180219 07:34:00<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ the x is deliberate 20180219 07:34:03<+wesnoth-discord-> Font scaling was what I was trying to referr to, yeah. 20180219 07:34:57<+wesnoth-discord-> ok, but could it be changed back in classical theme 20180219 07:35:03<+wesnoth-discord-> no. 20180219 07:35:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I don't think so. 20180219 07:35:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Ultimatey, 6 x 3 makes slightly more sense than 6 - 3 20180219 07:35:21<+wesnoth-discord-> Themes don't really have control over the text contents themselves. 20180219 07:35:29<+wesnoth-discord-> that too ^ 20180219 07:35:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Not saying itā€™s perfect 20180219 07:35:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Itā€™s not 20180219 07:35:39< Bonobo> the in-game chat messages on my windowed screen size end up at a horrible size+font combination. are there any settings I can fiddle with to change the size of it? 20180219 07:35:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Regarding the unnecessary "attacks" text: it was originally planned to be implemented in a much earlier release (long before 1.12, in fact), but at the time there was a string freeze. Later it was forgotten. But I spotted the commented out code in last fall, and told another programmer to enable it. 20180219 07:36:19<+wesnoth-discord-> But it is unnecessary 20180219 07:36:34<+wesnoth-discord-> not really 20180219 07:36:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Having a delimiter between attacks and damage? 20180219 07:36:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Iā€™d say having a delimiter is necessary. 20180219 07:36:46<+wesnoth-discord-> he means "attacks" 20180219 07:36:55<+wesnoth-discord-> serves no purpose 20180219 07:36:57<+wesnoth-discord-> I think it is essential. 20180219 07:37:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Seeing how much damage a unit can do. 20180219 07:37:05<+wesnoth-discord-> it is obvious that these are attacks 20180219 07:37:16<+wesnoth-discord-> Is it? 20180219 07:37:25<+wesnoth-discord-> I can point to many forum threads with confused people. 20180219 07:37:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I wonder if there should be a vote about this in the forums or something... 20180219 07:37:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, we all know you demand a research thesis before we make a change. 20180219 07:37:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I havent seen or met any such person myself really 20180219 07:38:23< Bonobo> it's obvious after you've played for long enough, but this is not really a good reason. I think it does make more sense though to have a multiplication symbol 20180219 07:38:24<+wesnoth-discord-> My best friend downloaded Wesnoth for the first time and asked me what it meant. He was confused by the minus sign. 20180219 07:38:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I agree with jurkive 20180219 07:38:49<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive This was discussed immensely long ago. 20180219 07:39:00<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive if you means about "attacks", possibly, but it's pointless, and if you mean about the delimiter, no, that discussion is closed. 20180219 07:39:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I meant "attacks". 20180219 07:39:15<+wesnoth-discord-> My opinion is that either format works fine (although the multiplication sign is more obvious) and it's ultimately just a matter of getting used to it. 20180219 07:39:24<+wesnoth-discord-> can themes have an effect on that? I guess mod, then can mods have? 20180219 07:39:29<+wesnoth-discord-> No. 20180219 07:39:36<+wesnoth-discord-> *not 20180219 07:39:43<+wesnoth-discord-> You might be interested to know I'm genuinely considering removing the classic theme in 1.15. 20180219 07:39:47<+wesnoth-discord-> The sidebar UI can be modded, but the delimiter, I donā€™t think so 20180219 07:39:58<+wesnoth-discord-> why, I like it 20180219 07:40:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Everything becomes a maintenance burden at some point. 20180219 07:40:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Because 1.15 is going to feature massive changes to the theme UI system. 20180219 07:40:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Woohoo 20180219 07:40:59<+wesnoth-discord-> And also that, since the current engine has several shortcomings that have been a thorn on our side for about a decade. 20180219 07:41:20<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ I invite you to get your hands dirty with the current Theme system. I wonā€™t say no to help with the sidebar UI. 20180219 07:41:20<+wesnoth-discord-> Hm I think that many changes in the theme could be acceptable for me if only the font was batter 20180219 07:41:39<+wesnoth-discord-> just make it bigger if it bothers you so 20180219 07:41:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Let me find some screenshots I had before 20180219 07:41:58<+wesnoth-discord-> how can i do it 20180219 07:42:03<+wesnoth-discord-> When was the font size changed, anyway? 20180219 07:42:06<+wesnoth-discord-> preferences -> display -> font scaling 20180219 07:42:17<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive it was recalibrated with the lato transition 20180219 07:42:20<+wesnoth-discord-> I found this screenshot I took on master in August: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1665617/28997076-58ae7f42-7a15-11e7-9870-8b7c430d9fee.png 20180219 07:42:32<+wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ThemeWML 20180219 07:42:35<+wesnoth-discord-> eyes burned by lack of AA 20180219 07:42:51<+wesnoth-discord-> šŸ˜› 20180219 07:43:08<+wesnoth-discord-> (For the record, the only reason why AA is disabled in that screenshot is because I have disabled it in Windows preferences.) 20180219 07:43:12<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive keep in mind he's using the classic theme not default 20180219 07:43:51<+wesnoth-discord-> sadly it affects everything 20180219 07:44:23< Bonobo> the prestart game screen remembers players even after they leave the game room. I just tried and successfully gave a side to a player who was no longer in the game 20180219 07:44:36<+wesnoth-discord-> There is bigger font in the settings, lobby and i think also main menu 20180219 07:44:46< Bonobo> the game then realised there was no controller for that side on turn 1 20180219 07:44:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Bonobo: could you file a bug report in GitHub? 20180219 07:44:49<+wesnoth-discord-> while at the same time smaller font in the side pannel where it is actually important 20180219 07:44:59< Bonobo> can you link me there? 20180219 07:45:09<+wesnoth-discord-> bigger font on buttons but smaller on the side panel 20180219 07:45:13<+wesnoth-discord-> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues 20180219 07:45:18< Bonobo> cheers 20180219 07:45:20<+wesnoth-discord-> The legendary bonobo wose has spoken! 20180219 07:45:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Im a fan boy of high rated wesnoth players lol xD 20180219 07:45:47< Bonobo> and now to figure out how to use this bug tracker :p 20180219 07:49:19<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/307037839164440576/old-new-sidebar.png 20180219 07:49:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Something like that 20180219 07:49:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Old on left, new on right 20180219 07:49:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe more text, fewer icons than displayed. Weā€™ll see. 20180219 07:50:05<+wesnoth-discord-> It's not a fair comparison because the left screenshot appears to be scaled. 20180219 07:50:25<+wesnoth-discord-> Theyā€™re both 20180219 07:50:26<+wesnoth-discord-> nah, I think he just made the bar bigger 20180219 07:50:39<+wesnoth-discord-> Taken on my retina display Mac 20180219 07:51:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, okay, the text is mocked up not in game? 20180219 07:52:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, that's what I meant. Right screenshot shows pixel-perfect text, but it's not actually possible without retina support in the engine. 20180219 07:52:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Correct 20180219 07:52:41<+wesnoth-discord-> hm i think the font seems better 20180219 07:52:50<+wesnoth-discord-> though i think that the attack icon is unnecessary 20180219 07:53:05<+wesnoth-discord-> I believe others suggested the same 20180219 07:53:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I agree with the Zion 20180219 07:54:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Right side would be perfect if u removed attack icon 20180219 07:54:20<+wesnoth-discord-> retina support can be added. 20180219 07:54:27<+wesnoth-discord-> ooh šŸ˜® 20180219 07:54:30<+wesnoth-discord-> in fact it's incredibly easy to get the game's text rendering at proper DPI 20180219 07:54:42<+wesnoth-discord-> the problem is getting everything else rendering at the proper DPI 20180219 07:54:44<+wesnoth-discord-> My eyesight has actually been improving, naturally 20180219 07:54:55<+wesnoth-discord-> From losing weight and consuming more lutein 20180219 07:55:07<+wesnoth-discord-> In any case 20180219 07:55:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Making the sidebar wider is a no-brainer 20180219 07:55:23<+wesnoth-discord-> icons near chaotic, regenerates and these that probably represent traits are also i think unnecessary though these at the top near xp and health i think arent bad 20180219 07:55:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Retina support would be a large task, though. In short, it requires decoupling the pysical size and logical size of all GUI elements. 20180219 07:55:32<+wesnoth-discord-> *physical 20180219 07:55:39<+wesnoth-discord-> this is text rendered at my screen-native 4K: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/413488304412033034/unknown.png 20180219 07:55:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Many monitors 10+ years ago were not 16:9 20180219 07:57:17<+wesnoth-discord-> (praise 4K) 20180219 07:59:20<+wesnoth-discord-> old panel font and 1.12 buttons comarison http://scr.hu/2lyq/ttzs5 http://scr.hu/2lyq/dmp5m new font and new buttons comparison http://scr.hu/2lyq/a32l4 http://scr.hu/2lyq/ib8f4 20180219 07:59:49<+wesnoth-discord-> the change looks pretty ridiculous to me 20180219 07:59:51<+wesnoth-discord-> the button size increase was also intentional 20180219 08:00:12<+wesnoth-discord-> looks better 20180219 08:00:15<+wesnoth-discord-> People couldnt hit buttons or what... 20180219 08:00:17<+wesnoth-discord-> also makes it easier for touch UI 20180219 08:00:23<+wesnoth-discord-> ah, right 20180219 08:01:19<+wesnoth-discord-> still buttons would be ok for me if there was a way to only increase the size of the right panel font 20180219 08:01:28<+wesnoth-discord-> and not everything else with it 20180219 08:03:01<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/415055662071152642/unknown.png 20180219 08:03:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I composited your images for you 20180219 08:03:29-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180219 08:03:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Increasing font size wouldn't be difficult. 20180219 08:03:48<+wesnoth-discord-> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/themes/classic.cfg#L15-L22 20180219 08:04:04<+wesnoth-discord-> If you want to entertain a +1 or +2 text side increase for certain text, Iā€™ll put in a PR 20180219 08:04:07<+wesnoth-discord-> I guess other developers are mostly worried about the possibility that not everything might fit? 20180219 08:04:27<+wesnoth-discord-> hm the change seems to be only 1 px 20180219 08:04:29<+wesnoth-discord-> There is a concern about items overlapping 20180219 08:04:35<+wesnoth-discord-> but its still 1 px too much xD 20180219 08:04:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Again, new sidebar UI will help 20180219 08:05:00<+wesnoth-discord-> btw thx ancestral 20180219 08:05:39<+wesnoth-discord-> My point here is: Yes, improvements can be made, but they will be made faster you offer your help. 20180219 08:05:53<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont know anything about coding 20180219 08:05:58<+wesnoth-discord-> You can learn! 20180219 08:06:05<+wesnoth-discord-> And many things donā€™t require coding. 20180219 08:06:36<+wesnoth-discord-> even if i learned i am not sure what i would want to do with the skill xD 20180219 08:06:56<+wesnoth-discord-> The reward for contributing to a community, seeing the result 20180219 08:07:19<+wesnoth-discord-> You also learn more about game development. 20180219 08:07:38<+wesnoth-discord-> idk, i dont really have ideas for addons, for now i am content with having 2228 elo on ladder 20180219 08:08:06<+wesnoth-discord-> And you can put it on your rĆ©sumĆ©. 20180219 08:08:10<+wesnoth-discord-> though there is one addon on the server made for me, a mappack 20180219 08:08:20<+wesnoth-discord-> well that is quite obvious 20180219 08:08:34<+wesnoth-discord-> not sure if i would find use for it 20180219 08:08:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Personally, I think it's not a good idea to try to push players towards programming too strongly. 20180219 08:08:49<+wesnoth-discord-> https://blog.codinghorror.com/please-dont-learn-to-code/ 20180219 08:09:12<+wesnoth-discord-> As I hinted at earlier, many things with Wesnoth do not require coding skills. 20180219 08:09:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I for now see no reason to learn coding really 20180219 08:09:58<+wesnoth-discord-> ThemeWML, like most WML, is just configuration files. 20180219 08:10:12<+wesnoth-discord-> To be frank, sometimes contributors are so bad at programming that it would be 10 times faster to just make the same change myself. (It's rare though, and I try not to dismiss their efforts, at least.) 20180219 08:10:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Again, this is not coding. 20180219 08:11:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 08:11:11<+wesnoth-discord-> No more so than CSS or HTML is not coding. (They arenā€™t.) 20180219 08:11:25<+wesnoth-discord-> if i had any idea for creating any addon i would tell it here now and there would be a chance that i would try to realize it somehow in the future 20180219 08:11:27<+wesnoth-discord-> but i dont have any xD 20180219 08:12:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people are artists. Some people are musicians. Some people know multiple languages. 20180219 08:12:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people are great at laying things out and changing config files. 20180219 08:13:06<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people have writing skills and can make better tutorials and guides. 20180219 08:13:11<+wesnoth-discord-> mhm from these i could only potentially help with polish translation, but i do not think it is needed, it is also rather tedious and many people already know english so... 20180219 08:13:11<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 08:13:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people are amazing players and could make strategy guides for intermediate players. 20180219 08:13:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people can put together game trailers. 20180219 08:13:44<+wesnoth-discord-> did you see my elderofzion account 20180219 08:14:01<+wesnoth-discord-> i did already write one (so so useful) guid 20180219 08:14:03<+wesnoth-discord-> guide 20180219 08:14:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Is it on the forums? 20180219 08:14:27<+wesnoth-discord-> it is 20180219 08:14:40<+wesnoth-discord-> When Wesnoth gets on Steam, we need this kind of thing on Steamā€™s Wesnoth forum 20180219 08:15:05<+wesnoth-discord-> also i am the only one here on the channel speaking seriously about strats since i am now second on ladder 20180219 08:15:30<+wesnoth-discord-> How about a unit poster someone could print out and put up on the wall? 20180219 08:15:41<+wesnoth-discord-> there may pass a lot of time before it comes out 20180219 08:15:51<+wesnoth-discord-> unit poster? 20180219 08:15:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Wouldnā€™t that be cool? 20180219 08:16:17<+wesnoth-discord-> you mean a portrait or what 20180219 08:16:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean something the size of a sheet of paper 20180219 08:16:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Like a quick reference guide 20180219 08:16:36<+wesnoth-discord-> People could print it out 20180219 08:16:50<+wesnoth-discord-> what would be there... 20180219 08:17:00<+wesnoth-discord-> What would you want to see on it? 20180219 08:17:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Important unit stats? Level progression? Terrain percentages? 20180219 08:18:04<+wesnoth-discord-> interesting idea for sure 20180219 08:18:43<+wesnoth-discord-> also btw 20180219 08:18:45<+wesnoth-discord-> You have skills. When you first started playing, what would have made you a better player faster? 20180219 08:18:47<+wesnoth-discord-> i have a yt channel 20180219 08:18:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Thatā€™s great! 20180219 08:18:58<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm its really hard to say 20180219 08:19:06<+wesnoth-discord-> also why would anyone put that on a wall... 20180219 08:19:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Or not the wall 20180219 08:19:28<+wesnoth-discord-> My point is they can look at it when they need to/want to 20180219 08:19:56<+wesnoth-discord-> i think its a bit like asking a starcraft pro player how to become a pro... 20180219 08:20:02<+wesnoth-discord-> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF3cElUhLhlfFhtwoCKkLOQ/videos?disable_polymer=1 20180219 08:20:04<+wesnoth-discord-> my channel 20180219 08:20:41<+wesnoth-discord-> So sometimes I listen to a Magic: The Gathering podcast about how to become a better player 20180219 08:20:56<+wesnoth-discord-> They rate cards 20180219 08:21:05<+wesnoth-discord-> could it be considered a competitive game? 20180219 08:21:11<+wesnoth-discord-> They talk about drafting strategies 20180219 08:21:18<+wesnoth-discord-> MTG is a highly competitive game 20180219 08:21:25<+wesnoth-discord-> well i think i could tell how to become a better player but i doubt it would fit neatly on a poster in form of images 20180219 08:21:28<+wesnoth-discord-> Lol I could imagine EoZ's resume haha 20180219 08:21:36<+wesnoth-discord-> Of course it wouldnā€™t fit 20180219 08:21:46<+wesnoth-discord-> "i helped in game development" doesnt seem that bad 20180219 08:21:52<+wesnoth-discord-> could be worse 20180219 08:21:54<+wesnoth-discord-> I am giving you ideas 20180219 08:21:54<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 08:22:00<+wesnoth-discord-> Aren't you supposed to take out all the "i" 's 20180219 08:22:00<+wesnoth-discord-> in resumes 20180219 08:22:04<+wesnoth-discord-> the first person narrative 20180219 08:22:23<+wesnoth-discord-> did you reat some of my posts in game related threads? i could rant like that for a long time 20180219 08:22:25<+wesnoth-discord-> read 20180219 08:22:27<+wesnoth-discord-> I have never heard such advice. 20180219 08:22:48<+wesnoth-discord-> Do you have a video or write-up on the different factions? 20180219 08:23:10<+wesnoth-discord-> Do you ever rank the units for different maps? 20180219 08:23:17<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmmm 20180219 08:23:34<+wesnoth-discord-> you gave me something to think about 20180219 08:23:53<+wesnoth-discord-> If I am playing Den of Orbis, and Iā€™m Loyalists, who should I recruit off the bat? 20180219 08:24:22<+wesnoth-discord-> Weā€™re going to get an influx of players come April 20180219 08:24:32<+wesnoth-discord-> New blood for you to beat 20180219 08:24:52<+wesnoth-discord-> But a win will be more satisfying if they arenā€™t noobs 20180219 08:25:26<+wesnoth-discord-> i am not sure if this is that good of an idea, but first of all i would need to probably make some longer rant and there is no guarantee anyone would watch that, i would need to get a decent mic for that, i do not feel too comfortable doing sth like that for a video, and from my experience if other good player saw that he could maybe disagree on a few points and we could start another long discussion 20180219 08:25:37<+wesnoth-discord-> But yeah, this kind of stuff is contributing 20180219 08:25:42<+wesnoth-discord-> Definitely counts 20180219 08:26:13<+wesnoth-discord-> Even if itā€™s not in the game download 20180219 08:26:31<+wesnoth-discord-> Itā€™s a part of the community 20180219 08:26:32<+wesnoth-discord-> btw i am happy if we get a new influx of players 20180219 08:26:55<+wesnoth-discord-> and i did popularize ladder a bit on a few occasions 20180219 08:27:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Donā€™t like the key bindings? Make your own! (I did.) 20180219 08:28:15<+wesnoth-discord-> but to beat them? why would that be my goal? xD it doesnt matter if there appeared like 1000 or 2000 new players to get good at wesnoth you need quite some time, its not like beating new players is a goal for the best players... 20180219 08:28:25<+wesnoth-discord-> but if that helped popuilarize ladder and they would register 20180219 08:28:26<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah, sure 20180219 08:28:31<+wesnoth-discord-> but ladder is unofficial 20180219 08:28:39<+wesnoth-discord-> so i guess you wouldnt count it as contributing 20180219 08:28:55<+wesnoth-discord-> The sooner people get good, the sooner youā€™ll have better players to beat 20180219 08:28:55<+wesnoth-discord-> well actually 20180219 08:29:11<+wesnoth-discord-> Anything that enhances someone's game experience is contributing. šŸ˜ƒ 20180219 08:29:30<+wesnoth-discord-> i once tried binding the 3 important keys on the keyboard i use to my mouse, didnt work well enough sincet he 3rd didnt work 20180219 08:29:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay, so if you want 20180219 08:29:55<+wesnoth-discord-> i only use mouse in wesnoth, and i use only like 5 other keys on keyboard besides typing 20180219 08:30:06<+wesnoth-discord-> h,y,p,u,r 20180219 08:30:44<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41525 20180219 08:30:51<+wesnoth-discord-> its actually can be a bit bothersome to click some keys on keyboard when you only usem ouse for a longer time 20180219 08:31:02<+wesnoth-discord-> Why is Recruit ctrl-R? (answer: no particular reason) 20180219 08:31:10<+wesnoth-discord-> So I made it R 20180219 08:31:24<+wesnoth-discord-> i dont use that shorcut 20180219 08:31:29<+wesnoth-discord-> i use right click 20180219 08:31:47<+wesnoth-discord-> Pressing a key is faster 20180219 08:31:49<+wesnoth-discord-> its not really slower than shortcut 20180219 08:31:52<+wesnoth-discord-> i would say even faster 20180219 08:31:59<+wesnoth-discord-> not in this case i think 20180219 08:32:07<+wesnoth-discord-> though there is a problem with right clicking 20180219 08:32:09<+wesnoth-discord-> Right clicking and choosing a menu item? 20180219 08:32:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Key is always faster 20180219 08:32:22<+wesnoth-discord-> RTS gamers always use shortcuts 20180219 08:32:23<+wesnoth-discord-> sometimes it happens to me that i eg missclick help and then i have to load my help file which can take some time 20180219 08:32:33<+wesnoth-discord-> but it doesnt bother me too much 20180219 08:32:59<+wesnoth-discord-> not really right clicking and chosing an item is 2 clicks, mouse movement is very fast 20180219 08:33:14<+wesnoth-discord-> And pressing a key is instaneous 20180219 08:33:17<+wesnoth-discord-> clicking a key or 2 keys, well maybe it is faster but i also could miss a key 20180219 08:33:55<+wesnoth-discord-> and also it is easier to use mouse mainly and scarcely use keyboard 20180219 08:34:28<+wesnoth-discord-> wesnoth is not a bullet hell game, even in 20 or 15 seconds isars i played i didnt need anything else than 16x game speed 20180219 08:34:30<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 08:35:05<+wesnoth-discord-> also in 1v1 games, well you can consider this an advice, usually it is beneficial to play slower 20180219 08:35:14<+wesnoth-discord-> or basically in any game where you need to play well 20180219 08:35:35<+wesnoth-discord-> dont rush your moves, think whether they are the best, chill 20180219 08:35:58< Bonobo> do people actually use the recruit hotkey though? you still have to mouse over the right hex so you might as well just click twice 20180219 08:36:15<+wesnoth-discord-> True 20180219 08:36:25<+wesnoth-discord-> and in campaigns, well i am already clicking as fast as i can think basically so i never felt like i needed anything faster 20180219 08:36:33<+wesnoth-discord-> Bonobo maybe I am one of the few 20180219 08:36:37<+wesnoth-discord-> supposedly they do bonobo 20180219 08:36:38<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 08:36:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I choose the hex and then press 'R' 20180219 08:37:14<+wesnoth-discord-> why would you want to click so fast when then you still have to chose a unit 20180219 08:37:24<+wesnoth-discord-> do you just ckick k and enter? nope 20180219 08:37:29<+wesnoth-discord-> *r 20180219 08:37:37<+wesnoth-discord-> You can use the arrows, or still click 20180219 08:38:04<+wesnoth-discord-> clicking is faster in that case 20180219 08:38:09<+wesnoth-discord-> for sure 20180219 08:38:11< Bonobo> hotkeys are nice for some things but I prefer having my non-mouse hand free in a more comfortable position :p 20180219 08:38:35<+wesnoth-discord-> i use hotkeys for undo, redo and planning mode 20180219 08:38:39<+wesnoth-discord-> and basically that is all 20180219 08:38:41<+wesnoth-discord-> xD 20180219 08:38:51<+wesnoth-discord-> and for planning mode not even always 20180219 08:39:07<+wesnoth-discord-> for undo and redo also not always sometimes i am too lazy to click on a keyboard 20180219 08:39:29< Bonobo> ah undo is no longer an option in the right click menu 20180219 08:39:37<+wesnoth-discord-> But yeah, there are tons of things Wesnoth could do better 20180219 08:39:45<+wesnoth-discord-> And you can submit feature requests 20180219 08:39:48<+wesnoth-discord-> where 20180219 08:39:51<+wesnoth-discord-> in 1.13? 20180219 08:39:53<+wesnoth-discord-> GitHub 20180219 08:40:08<+wesnoth-discord-> At this stage, probably 1.15 20180219 08:40:16<+wesnoth-discord-> wesnoth us is ideal as it is in 1.12 20180219 08:40:20<+wesnoth-discord-> a perfect design 20180219 08:40:24<+wesnoth-discord-> nothing can be improved 20180219 08:40:25<+wesnoth-discord-> XD 20180219 08:40:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Hahaha 20180219 08:40:29<+wesnoth-discord-> We don't have much manpower, unfortunately. So it goes down to what we choose to prioritize. 20180219 08:40:36<+wesnoth-discord-> *ui 20180219 08:40:40< Bonobo> I'm gonna miss using undo from the right click menu 20180219 08:40:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Wesnoth 1.14 is already in beta stage. At this point, we're only planning to fix bugs. 20180219 08:40:56<+wesnoth-discord-> that is so stupid why would anyone remove that 20180219 08:41:07<+wesnoth-discord-> maybe they thought nobody was using undo hahah 20180219 08:41:30<+wesnoth-discord-> EoZ, I have dozens of feature requests Iā€™ve put in over the years that made their way into the game only because I submitted the request 20180219 08:41:58<+wesnoth-discord-> EoZ thank you for the northerners recommendation by the way, going to play around with them 20180219 08:42:07<+wesnoth-discord-> already a pretty fun faction; I grab a lot of villages kind of quickly 20180219 08:42:16<+wesnoth-discord-> if i wanted to request something, i would want no changes for the worse from 1.12 and the, if i remember correctly 1.10 classical theme 20180219 08:42:37<+wesnoth-discord-> villages aret he most important for orc 20180219 08:42:46<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh good :D 20180219 08:42:54<+wesnoth-discord-> What is the best northerner leader? Rocklobber? 20180219 08:43:03<+wesnoth-discord-> troll 20180219 08:43:04<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ What about better visual queues when things happen? 20180219 08:43:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Cues. 20180219 08:43:17<+wesnoth-discord-> what things 20180219 08:43:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Cues 20180219 08:43:31<+wesnoth-discord-> what things do you mean really 20180219 08:43:54<+wesnoth-discord-> When your leader is in a keep, maybe hexes could be highlighted showing you can recruit someone 20180219 08:44:15<+wesnoth-discord-> Maybe when the leader is highlighted maybe village hexes you havenā€™t captured could be highlighted 20180219 08:44:31<+wesnoth-discord-> recruiting in castles is a base wesnoth feature, it is extremely basic 20180219 08:44:53<+wesnoth-discord-> Is it ever unclear where the villages are? 20180219 08:44:59<+wesnoth-discord-> knowing that i dont know why anyone would need the highlight since that is basically the first thing you learn in wesnoth 20180219 08:45:07<+wesnoth-discord-> also even if you had a highlight 20180219 08:45:12<+wesnoth-discord-> Something basic versus easier to see is different 20180219 08:45:23<+wesnoth-discord-> if somebody doesnt know that you can recruit in castle, do you think it would help him figure it out? 20180219 08:45:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Itā€™s not a knowledge thing 20180219 08:45:39<+wesnoth-discord-> itā€™s a how quickly can I discern this 20180219 08:45:53<+wesnoth-discord-> I imagine that it would be more someone not noticing that they have a vacant slot in the castle. 20180219 08:46:09<+wesnoth-discord-> The less time reading the map, the more time for other things 20180219 08:46:31<+wesnoth-discord-> i do not think that noticing a highlighted hex is easier than noticing a castle 20180219 08:46:37<+wesnoth-discord-> in fact they are both as hard to miss 20180219 08:46:48<+wesnoth-discord-> What about other kind of information when you hover the mouse over a unit? 20180219 08:47:08<+wesnoth-discord-> I mean, the castle is always there. The highlight would only show up when necessary. 20180219 08:47:15<+wesnoth-discord-> and also like i said i do not consider time really that important factor in wesnoth, even if it did help at all 20180219 08:47:54<+wesnoth-discord-> How should I play northerners against drakes? A lot of goblins? 20180219 08:47:58<+wesnoth-discord-> when i howev overt he unit i basically look only at hp, xp and attacks 20180219 08:48:05<+wesnoth-discord-> all else doesnt matter much 20180219 08:48:18<+wesnoth-discord-> Some people suggested an alternate mode where the normal art is replaced by strategy hexes, like strategy mode in Civ V 20180219 08:48:25<+wesnoth-discord-> also at traits sometimes 20180219 08:48:32< Bonobo> whoa someone other than me has already used the name "Bonobo" on gitgub. this is a first 20180219 08:48:37<+wesnoth-discord-> what is an strategy hex 20180219 08:48:59<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ Itā€™s a reigning endorsement that you feel 1.12 is the pinnacle of Wesnoth design 20180219 08:49:11<+wesnoth-discord-> there is already that show grating option 20180219 08:49:14<+wesnoth-discord-> or whatever its called 20180219 08:49:21<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ No art, just a solid color with a simple icon on it 20180219 08:49:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Like a green hex with a tree in it 20180219 08:49:32<+wesnoth-discord-> not the 1.12 theme though 20180219 08:49:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Itā€™s moddable 20180219 08:49:45<+wesnoth-discord-> hmmm 20180219 08:50:04<+wesnoth-discord-> Iā€™ll show you what I mean 20180219 08:50:26<+wesnoth-discord-> it changes the look of a map i think that wesnoth hexes are already clear enough and the difference between one hex and another is clear 20180219 08:51:01<+wesnoth-discord-> also changing between these modes, you will just have different look of a map, in civ it can make sense because all the maps are randomly generated 20180219 08:51:14<+wesnoth-discord-> also the hexes there, i know from experience, arent always as clear ast hey are in wesnoth 20180219 08:51:18<+wesnoth-discord-> it is true 20180219 08:51:32<+wesnoth-discord-> and i dont know how many players really use the feature 20180219 08:52:09<+wesnoth-discord-> also i believe you have more hex types 20180219 08:52:14<+wesnoth-discord-> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36180 20180219 08:52:44<+wesnoth-discord-> The faster your game, the more games you can play, man 20180219 08:53:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Again, just ideas 20180219 08:53:35<+wesnoth-discord-> i do not think that eg many of the players on isar play so slow because they have problems with hexes xD 20180219 08:54:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Youā€™re missing the point 20180219 08:54:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Besides which, I feel taking ideas from Civilization to speed up games is a little weird. 20180219 08:54:56<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah but i think that 1.12 with classical theme really might be the pinnacle of game design from what i have seen so far 20180219 08:55:01<+wesnoth-discord-> at least the ui design 20180219 08:55:12<+wesnoth-discord-> I think there isn't much point in attempting to speed up games. 20180219 08:55:15<+wesnoth-discord-> At a certain point, isnā€™t playing Wesnoth more about the game than about the visuals? 20180219 08:55:37<+wesnoth-discord-> The whole point of playing Wesnoth is having a good time. Speeding that up would be counterproductive. 20180219 08:55:42<+wesnoth-discord-> are you of oppinion that the visuals slow you down or something? 20180219 08:55:52<+wesnoth-discord-> (But it shouldn't be intentionally be made slower, either.) 20180219 08:55:56<+wesnoth-discord-> @jyrkive Youā€™re missing my point. Itā€™s about optimizing your time. 20180219 08:56:19<+wesnoth-discord-> what do you mean 20180219 08:56:22<+wesnoth-discord-> You do that by playing the game, just like any other tactics game. 20180219 08:56:28<+wesnoth-discord-> If I have to make three clicks when I could make one clickā€¦ is that not worth it? 20180219 08:56:33< Bonobo> the current ford hex art does definitely slow down your gameplay, compared to the ones from 1.6.x 20180219 08:56:39<+wesnoth-discord-> @EoZ You made comments earlier about the text hard to read 20180219 08:56:54<+wesnoth-discord-> Making the text easier to read would certainly help, right? 20180219 08:58:42<+wesnoth-discord-> yes 20180219 08:58:57<+wesnoth-discord-> but it is a balance between how much space text takes and how much space you are left on the pannel 20180219 08:59:16<+wesnoth-discord-> also if you made panel too wide it also would be bad 20180219 08:59:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep 20180219 08:59:44<+wesnoth-discord-> in many game modes units can have a lot of weapons which requires quite a lot of the panel space 20180219 08:59:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep 20180219 09:01:56<+wesnoth-discord-> its not like rest of the panel is useless 20180219 09:02:11<+wesnoth-discord-> also if it is not cluttered with information and most of the important things are in one place it can be somewhat easier and faster to read 20180219 09:02:21<+wesnoth-discord-> The next time you play a different game 20180219 09:02:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Think about how it does things differently than Wesnoth 20180219 09:03:02<+wesnoth-discord-> hard to find other turn based game like wesnoth xD 20180219 09:03:30<+wesnoth-discord-> but really its hard to think if things to improve though maybe 20180219 09:03:49<+wesnoth-discord-> Heroes of Might & Magic IV is one of my favorite games of all time, and quite similar to Wesnoth. 20180219 09:03:53<+wesnoth-discord-> i think unlimited message length (for everybody) on the server in the window after clicking on a user's nick would help 20180219 09:03:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Doesnā€™t have to be a turn-based game 20180219 09:04:41<+wesnoth-discord-> Heroes of Might & Magic was my childhood, though I mostly played 1 and 2. 20180219 09:08:41< Bonobo> hmm the whisper logs also get lost 20180219 09:15:28-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ulfleklshzzjbdyd] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 09:27:04<+wesnoth-discord-> I feel so bad for killing drakes, idk why 20180219 09:27:18<+wesnoth-discord-> It just feels like invasive lol, killing humanoid dragons 20180219 10:15:01-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 10:55:14<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay, the scrolling is really super fast since the recent performance boosts. Is there a way to tone that down? And the text that can be shown via [unstore_unit] is gone in like 0.3 seconds now? Is there a way to let that make that slower, too? 20180219 11:00:09<+wesnoth-discord-> pykrete 20180219 11:03:40<+wesnoth-discord-> conjurer 20180219 11:04:07<+wesnoth-discord-> lamia 20180219 11:28:23<+wesnoth-discord-> Hey @Vultraz can you add finnish channel here 20180219 11:36:17<+wesnoth-discord-> If I ask for a Latin channel, can I have it? 20180219 11:37:23<+wesnoth-discord-> No, because no one speaks Latin 20180219 11:38:25<+wesnoth-discord-> I completed the first book of the Cambridge Latin Course a year ago :P 20180219 11:38:44<+wesnoth-discord-> You'd still need someone else to chat with. 20180219 11:38:55<+wesnoth-discord-> Speaking to yourself wouldn't lead to anything good. šŸ˜‰ 20180219 11:42:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 11:53:09<+wesnoth-discord-> video. 20180219 12:38:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 12:50:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 12:50:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 13:10:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 13:10:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 13:28:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 13:28:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 13:58:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 14:04:31-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180219 14:10:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 14:39:08<+wesnoth-discord-> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/CampaignDialogue:DID i just discovered this is a thing in DiD 20180219 14:39:13<+wesnoth-discord-> "Narrator: Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." 20180219 14:39:20<+wesnoth-discord-> in the first mission go to the south signpost, this happens lol 20180219 14:39:34<+wesnoth-discord-> that fucking reference 20180219 14:41:45<+wesnoth-discord-> i think the second mission also has a reference (2 goblins named Ed and Shaun) tho i dont get the reference 20180219 14:44:25-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ulfleklshzzjbdyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180219 15:03:15-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bylrwwdwjtiqrtjj] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 15:17:23<+wesnoth-discord-> if 1.13.11 is out, do I need to update my 1.13.10? 20180219 15:18:08<+wesnoth-discord-> We recommend updating. 1.13.11 fixes many bugs in 1.13.10. Updating is optional, mind you. 20180219 15:18:29<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, I more meant for multiplayer but it just told me I can't join so that sounds like a 'yes' 20180219 15:19:01<+wesnoth-discord-> Yes, if you want to try 1.13 MP, then you have to update. 20180219 15:19:19<+wesnoth-discord-> Also, since it's been awhile, can you remind me how to update without clearing my downloads? Does it do it on its own or do I need to move them manually? 20180219 15:19:49<+wesnoth-discord-> You mean without losing add-ons? 20180219 15:20:07<+wesnoth-discord-> I think you can simply install over the existing version, but I'm not sure. 20180219 15:20:22< celmin|sleep> You won't lose your addons until you upgrade to 1.14. 20180219 15:20:34< celmin|sleep> All 1.13.x versions share the same addons folder. 20180219 15:20:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Okay, thanks 20180219 15:20:57-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180219 15:21:13<+wesnoth-discord-> that keeps saves, too? 20180219 15:21:20< celticminstrel> Yeah. 20180219 15:21:38< celticminstrel> Technically you won't even lose them when upgrading to 1.14; you could probably even rename the 1.13 data folder and have it all still work, though I kinda wouldn't recommend that. 20180219 15:22:23<+wesnoth-discord-> I think save incompatibility between 1.13.10/11 and 1.14 is unlikely. 20180219 15:22:32<+wesnoth-discord-> Oh, nice 20180219 15:22:39< celticminstrel> Really? 20180219 15:22:44<+wesnoth-discord-> There haven't been that many changes in between, and we care about save compatibility to some extent. 20180219 15:22:44< celticminstrel> Oh wait. 20180219 15:22:57< celticminstrel> I reread that and got the opposite of my initial impression. >_> 20180219 15:23:20< celticminstrel> Double negatives confused me. >_> 20180219 15:23:37-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 15:26:11<+wesnoth-discord-> One other question, in my old version in 1.12, you were able to put units from mods into campaigns using debug commands, but in 1.13 you can't seem to do that? is there a way to, or is it just not a thing anymore? 20180219 15:27:31< celticminstrel> From mods? 20180219 15:27:36< celticminstrel> ie, modifications? 20180219 15:28:08< celticminstrel> You certainly can't put units from MP addons (eras). 20180219 15:28:26<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah those 20180219 15:28:28< celticminstrel> But I'd think you should be able to add them from modifications, as long as you enabled that modification when you started the campaign. 20180219 15:28:38<+wesnoth-discord-> sorry, I meant eras 20180219 15:28:40< celticminstrel> Mind you, modifications generally don't contain units. 20180219 15:28:47< celticminstrel> Ah okay. 20180219 15:28:54<+wesnoth-discord-> It was able to be in 12 20180219 15:29:04< celticminstrel> Yeah, the game only loads the minimum amount possible. 20180219 15:29:14<+wesnoth-discord-> hm, that's a shame 20180219 15:29:24< celticminstrel> Which means that when playing a campaign, none of the multiplayer stuff is loaded. 20180219 15:29:32< celticminstrel> And when playing multiplayer, none of the campaigns are loaded. 20180219 15:29:41< celticminstrel> All the core units are always loaded though. 20180219 15:30:13<+wesnoth-discord-> That's unfortunate. So I'd need to make a modification basically just to add all the units' existence to have them in sp 20180219 15:31:02< celticminstrel> You could probably do that with a simple hack actually, assuming modifications provide a define... just a sec while I look at the wiki... 20180219 15:31:39<+wesnoth-discord-> you say 'simple hack' as though I have any idea what that means 20180219 15:31:48<+wesnoth-discord-> hahahaa joke's on you I'm already confused 20180219 15:31:59< celticminstrel> I'm just trying to determine whether my idea will actually work before explaining it. 20180219 15:32:06<+wesnoth-discord-> oh okay 20180219 15:32:57< Ravana_> modification can't influence whether any other addon is loaded. You need to remove some ifdefs to have stuff you want always loaded 20180219 15:33:22< celticminstrel> Doesn't look like modifications can define macros the way campaigns do. 20180219 15:33:28< celticminstrel> So my idea wouldn't work, then. 20180219 15:33:34<+wesnoth-discord-> oh, that's unfortunate as well 20180219 15:34:00 * celticminstrel is thinking of [campaign]extra_defines= 20180219 15:34:36< celticminstrel> That said, if you added MULTIPLAYER to a campaign's extra_defines, that would make it load all the multiplayer stuff. 20180219 15:37:13< celticminstrel> Still, it requires editing the campaign, which I guess is a little unfortunate. 20180219 15:46:46-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10] 20180219 15:49:09-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 15:54:49-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10] 20180219 16:14:03-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 16:43:39-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has quit [Quit: hrubymar10] 20180219 16:44:16-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 16:47:52-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has quit [Client Quit] 20180219 16:50:51-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 16:55:38-!- hrubymar10 [~textual@78.108.103.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180219 16:59:22-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-bylrwwdwjtiqrtjj] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180219 17:35:45-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.156.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180219 18:17:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 19:12:08-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 19:14:40-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 19:23:52-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180219 19:28:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 19:29:02-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 19:32:18<+wesnoth-discord-> There still exists incompatibility between 1.13 add-ons and 1.13 Wesnoth. Some broken ones slipped into 1.13 add-on server. 20180219 19:38:05< Ravana_> 1.13.x and 1.13.y are not expected to be compatible 20180219 20:24:51-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 20:31:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180219 20:31:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 21:31:44-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180219 21:32:33-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 21:56:14-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180219 21:56:36-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBA67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 21:56:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBA67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180219 21:56:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 22:12:33-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180219 22:13:53-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBA67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 22:14:02-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FBA67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180219 22:14:02-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180219 23:20:32-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180219 23:24:50<+wesnoth-discord-> whoo! 20180219 23:25:32<+wesnoth-discord-> finally found this place 20180219 23:25:50<+wesnoth-discord-> Kudos to all the contributors and devs on this game; I can't believe it started WAY back in 2003 O_O 20180219 23:27:21<+wesnoth-discord-> I've always wondered how BfW is funded; like who pays for the website, servers, and all that? 20180219 23:27:30<+wesnoth-discord-> I didn't see any kind of donation links anywhere 20180219 23:28:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180219 23:29:22< Soliton> we get some revenue from the ios version. 20180219 23:29:47<+wesnoth-discord-> @Daedalus Welcome! 20180219 23:29:51<+wesnoth-discord-> Great to have you 20180219 23:30:16<+wesnoth-discord-> It should get exciting soon. Weā€™re approaching a Steam release hopefully in April 20180219 23:30:45<+wesnoth-discord-> Should be goooooood. 20180219 23:30:49<+wesnoth-discord-> What about GoG? Humble Store? 20180219 23:31:07<+wesnoth-discord-> Humble Store has a 'free games' section anyways (or just make it part of a humble bundle) 20180219 23:31:12<+wesnoth-discord-> GoG also has a free games section 20180219 23:31:27<+wesnoth-discord-> Steam is a wide audience but let's not forget that the market has alternatives we shouldn't ignore either šŸ˜‰ 20180219 23:31:33<+wesnoth-discord-> I use all 3 šŸ˜„ 20180219 23:31:35<+wesnoth-discord-> (Is it ironic that Wesnothā€™s creator got to Valve before Wesnoth did? šŸ˜œ) 20180219 23:31:43<+wesnoth-discord-> haha 20180219 23:31:59<+wesnoth-discord-> so anc, you're one of the project members? what kind of work do you do? dev work? 20180219 23:32:21<+wesnoth-discord-> The goal is Steam first, then sure, consider other stores. 20180219 23:32:24<+wesnoth-discord-> I'm really happy that iOS gets you all some revenue 20180219 23:32:29<+wesnoth-discord-> is the game officially ported to Android? 20180219 23:32:41<+wesnoth-discord-> I run a gaming server and if there are Android ports that would be amazing 20180219 23:33:04<+wesnoth-discord-> There is an android port, but I believe an official one is not yet available 20180219 23:33:10<+wesnoth-discord-> I am a contributor and bug fixed in various capacities (and soon-to-be former Mac packager) 20180219 23:33:48<+wesnoth-discord-> We have a few regular developers, but with very few exceptions people come and go and give time when they have it 20180219 23:34:43<+wesnoth-discord-> @Daedalus I donā€™t suppose you are good at editing video? 20180219 23:34:52<+wesnoth-discord-> @Daedalus The Android Port is completely free and is essentially just an emulator of the PC game, meaning it connects to the official servers. 20180219 23:35:31<+wesnoth-discord-> I see a few 20180219 23:35:36<+wesnoth-discord-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androthsoft.battle is an outdated $4 one 20180219 23:36:04<+wesnoth-discord-> apparently it is a buggy broken version too 20180219 23:36:08<+wesnoth-discord-> this is the 'trial' version: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androthsoft.battlefree 20180219 23:36:12<+wesnoth-discord-> If you are, we need a new trailer 20180219 23:37:10<+wesnoth-discord-> about:blank 20180219 23:37:20<+wesnoth-discord-> hmm? 20180219 23:37:23<+wesnoth-discord-> http://www.alessandropira.org/bfw_android/get.html 20180219 23:37:28<+wesnoth-discord-> some alternatives, also on Google Play 20180219 23:37:37<+wesnoth-discord-> Yep, that one. That's the one I use anyway. 20180219 23:37:56<+wesnoth-discord-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.alessandropira.wesnoth112 20180219 23:38:05<+wesnoth-discord-> ok cool i'll let my server team know 20180219 23:38:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Just remember to turn down the resolution in the settings. 20180219 23:38:19<+wesnoth-discord-> I realize the GPLv2 allows them to sell the game if they wanted to but it is nice that it is free šŸ˜ƒ 20180219 23:38:26<+wesnoth-discord-> Poiman does it have ads or use ads? 20180219 23:38:30<+wesnoth-discord-> Nope. 20180219 23:39:22<+wesnoth-discord-> ok 20180219 23:39:33<+wesnoth-discord-> so since they're required by GPL to release source code, how does one get the code? 20180219 23:39:47<+wesnoth-discord-> oh i see it 20180219 23:39:52<+wesnoth-discord-> sourceforge yuck >_> 20180219 23:39:58<+wesnoth-discord-> oh! that's what i wanted to ask you devs 20180219 23:40:06<+wesnoth-discord-> The code is hosted on GitHub now 20180219 23:40:10<+wesnoth-discord-> why is wesnoth still being downloaded from sourceforge? why not use fosshub or other mirrors? 20180219 23:40:16<+wesnoth-discord-> It is distributed through SourceForge 20180219 23:40:27<+wesnoth-discord-> But sf.net has new (and better) management 20180219 23:40:30<+wesnoth-discord-> SourceForge had a lot of controversy and is blacklisted by many people >_> 20180219 23:40:47<+wesnoth-discord-> that's good to hear but it is nice to have alternative mirrors available just in case... 20180219 23:40:55<+wesnoth-discord-> @Daedalus Screenshot (Feb 19, 2018 15:39:59) 20180219 23:40:56<+wesnoth-discord-> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/415291687120666634/Screenshot_20180219-153959.png 20180219 23:40:57<+wesnoth-discord-> And had a turnover of management that ended many of the questionable advertising practices. 20180219 23:41:11<+wesnoth-discord-> thanks Poiman i'll be sure to let them know 20180219 23:41:40<+wesnoth-discord-> It starts at 1280x720, it is NOT easy to read lol 20180219 23:41:43<+wesnoth-discord-> Honestly, the biggest reason is Wesnoth is a huge package 20180219 23:41:50<+wesnoth-discord-> And sf.net is free 20180219 23:41:52<+wesnoth-discord-> And it works 20180219 23:42:59<+wesnoth-discord-> Technically (unless they revised their rules), the project is over the free limit allowed by GitHub 20180219 23:43:17<+wesnoth-discord-> But they made an exception for us šŸ‘ 20180219 23:45:40<+wesnoth-discord-> @Daedalus Mirrors are absolutely fine (as long as the checksum SHA matches of course) 20180219 23:48:26<+wesnoth-discord-> I see 20180219 23:48:39<+wesnoth-discord-> You all have a good idea of what you're doing so I have no qualms about it, you do what ya do 20180219 23:48:51<+wesnoth-discord-> I appreciate the (quick) responses though, really awesome šŸ˜ƒ 20180219 23:49:24<+wesnoth-discord-> oh, any chance of removing the duplicate/outdated/crappy version of Wesnoth off of the Gplay store? 20180219 23:49:40<+wesnoth-discord-> that 'AndrothSoft' one? 20180219 23:52:43<+wesnoth-discord-> just sent them a message via their website; hopefully they might see it 20180219 23:56:32<+wesnoth-discord-> oh I guess one question 20180219 23:56:40<+wesnoth-discord-> Ancestral, any plans for an x64 version? 20180219 23:56:44<+wesnoth-discord-> @Vultraz Are you aware of the Android posers? 20180219 23:56:51<+wesnoth-discord-> what? 20180219 23:57:08<+wesnoth-discord-> Read above 20180219 23:57:13<+wesnoth-discord-> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androthsoft.battle https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androthsoft.battlefree GPL violating (no source code) 20180219 23:57:37<+wesnoth-discord-> they could be removed due to that GPL violation probably 20180219 23:58:04<+wesnoth-discord-> The Mac build is x64. Do you mean for Linux? 20180219 23:58:09<+wesnoth-discord-> For Windows 20180219 23:58:44<+wesnoth-discord-> Not sure. Though one could certainly build a 64-bit version. 20180219 23:59:17<+wesnoth-discord-> yeah i don't have a windows dev environment on this; this is just my gaming-centric PC 20180219 23:59:24<+wesnoth-discord-> i use a laptop for all my Linux-based and dev stuff --- Log closed Tue Feb 20 00:00:13 2018