--- Log opened Mon Mar 05 00:00:35 2018 20180305 00:10:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180305 00:11:08-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:3c8b:23a9:6d4c:2e94] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180305 00:54:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 01:08:02-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.207.231] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 01:32:33-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6DD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180305 03:05:07<+discordbot> Does anyone here play era of magic? 20180305 05:30:02-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180305 05:36:57-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 07:20:26-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180305 07:40:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 07:57:02-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@83.240.61.16] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 08:09:53-!- Guest41807 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 08:26:27<+discordbot> After a couple of years, The North Wind has finally released again :)))) I can go to bed now 20180305 08:28:04<+discordbot> @shadowm I updated your name in the TNW credits to "Iris Morelle (shadowm)", let me know if you want something else 20180305 08:29:05<+discordbot> That's ok thanks. 20180305 08:47:56-!- Guest41807 is now known as Haudegen 20180305 09:19:24-!- discordbot [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 09:19:24-!- discordbot2 [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 09:19:24-!- mode/#wesnoth [+v discordbot2] by ChanServ 20180305 09:19:24-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@83.240.61.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 09:19:24-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@83.240.61.16] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 09:19:24-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@83.240.61.16] has quit [Changing host] 20180305 09:19:24-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 09:19:39-!- jurkan_ [~quassel@granny.omameier.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20180305 09:20:44-!- jurkan [~quassel@granny.omameier.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 09:55:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 09:55:30-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 10:11:26-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180305 10:53:50-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 11:15:50<+discordbot2> please support translation. harrier (unit of dunefolk) means harry +er ? hare + ier ? 20180305 11:17:12<+discordbot2> or this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrier_(dog) 20180305 11:21:53-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180305 11:31:57<+discordbot2> @Pentarctagon ^ 20180305 11:50:38< zookeeper> har·ri·er a person or thing that harries 20180305 11:56:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180305 12:11:16-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180305 12:20:45<+discordbot2> Damn, the Finnish have good internet 😦 https://twitter.com/Elianora/status/970465370963365888 20180305 12:20:58<+discordbot2> JustEuropeThings 20180305 12:21:10<+discordbot2> 😛 20180305 12:38:08<+discordbot2> Don't come to Germany #Neuland 20180305 12:39:54<+discordbot2> In each language channel, we can't pin messages It is inconvenient 20180305 12:42:14<+discordbot2> As far as I know, it's not possible to allow people to pin messages without giving moderator privileges for the whole server. (I have some extra privileges in #development but can't pin messages there, either.) 20180305 12:45:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 12:46:10<+discordbot2> hmm...so, giving pin privilege of specific channel to some person is also not possible? 20180305 12:46:22<+discordbot2> Yes, I think so. 20180305 12:47:53<+discordbot2> I see, thanks 20180305 12:48:10<+discordbot2> You're welcome. 😃 20180305 12:53:31<+discordbot2> is the ship still sinking or has the project received more attention? https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=42912 20180305 12:54:18< Soliton> it's fairly afloat i'd say but more help is always welcome. 20180305 12:54:28<+discordbot2> We're suffering from chronic lack of developers, but still able to move forward. 20180305 12:55:05<+discordbot2> Steam launch might do good regarding this 20180305 13:49:45-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 13:59:24-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 14:03:38-!- octalot [~steve@91.141.1.158.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 14:26:49-!- octalot [~steve@91.141.1.158.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180305 14:32:10<+discordbot2> The great chicken-egg of the past couple years heh 20180305 14:35:52<+discordbot2> IMHO, a bigger reason for 1.14 release having taken so long has been simply over-optimism. 20180305 14:39:25<+discordbot2> When we got the Steam ID, instead of immediately changing focus to stabilizing in order to get 1.14 out the door quickly, Vultraz continued the effort to port the UI to the GUI2 framework (which wasn't even finished in the end). Our focus has been on addressing 1.13 regressions (in a broad sense, also including things like performance issues) only since the last summer - which was already past the initially announced approximate 20180305 14:39:25<+discordbot2> 1.14.0 release date. 20180305 14:46:23<+discordbot2> Another thing that would have helped is a better approach to bug fixing. Ideally, bug fixing should always have higher priority than anything else. Developers should try to always keep the project in a state that releasing a new version is possible at any time. It would help not only by making it possible to make releases much sooner, but also by giving more time to check that bug fixes themselves don't break anything, either (they 20180305 14:46:23<+discordbot2> are among the highest-risk changes). 20180305 14:49:15<+discordbot2> sounds wise 20180305 14:49:23<+discordbot2> I like what you are implying 20180305 14:49:26<+discordbot2> xD 20180305 15:07:28<+discordbot2> @EoZ I don't think I understand your forum post - are you saying the amount you heal with drain depends on the damage of the drain attack and not the unit's remaining HP? I think it's based off remaining HP 20180305 15:08:04<+discordbot2> so if you drain a 1 HP enemy you don't heal even if your drain attack does 7 damage or something 20180305 15:10:00< Soliton> it used to be just based on the attack damage but nowadays it's based on how much damage you actually deal. so it can indeed depend on the remaining HP. 20180305 15:16:02<+discordbot2> it depends on both 20180305 15:16:16<+discordbot2> but if the 2 units will have the same hp then the drain attack damage will mappet 20180305 15:16:35<+discordbot2> because eg if you have unit with 29 hp 20180305 15:18:43<+discordbot2> then eg if a drain attack was for example 30-1 then you will heal 14 hp if the drain attack was 9-4 then you will heal 3x 4 hp =12 + 1 hp (2 damage) =13 hp 20180305 15:20:16<+discordbot2> or in the mage in your puzzle example the mage had 22 hp 20180305 15:20:29<+discordbot2> oh i see, because of the roundoff error 20180305 15:20:41<+discordbot2> the spectre with illumination dealt 7-4 attack 20180305 15:20:47<+discordbot2> i thought it would heal 11 hp 20180305 15:21:02<+discordbot2> ah, that makes sense, I see what you mean now 20180305 15:21:07<+discordbot2> but it was 3x3 (3x 7 damage) + 1 damage (0 heal) 20180305 15:21:11<+discordbot2> so it healed 9 20180305 15:21:23<+discordbot2> maybe i should give it 21 HP to be less confusing 20180305 15:21:48<+discordbot2> hm i do not know but if you did that i wouldn ot find that out probably xD 20180305 15:22:09<+discordbot2> when i thought it would heal 11 then i came to a conclusion that the puzzle was impossible to solve 20180305 15:22:24<+discordbot2> when i tested it i noticed that it healed 9 for some reason and then i found out 20180305 15:24:21<+discordbot2> btw all that thing 20180305 15:24:26<+discordbot2> is like an entire new gamemode 20180305 15:24:36<+discordbot2> just that you do not have all that much to do there 20180305 15:24:42<+discordbot2> but i like new gamemodes so its good 20180305 15:25:37<+discordbot2> ah yeah giving everyone 100% chance to hit is weird but I don't know how else to make a puzzle 20180305 15:30:11<+discordbot2> but dealing with rng is also part of playing wesnoth 20180305 15:31:49<+discordbot2> that is why its a new gamemode no rng 20180305 15:32:00<+discordbot2> kay 20180305 15:32:08<+discordbot2> yeah, it's just too hard to check whether the player solved it correctly if there is RNG 20180305 15:32:16<+discordbot2> well at least it has some ridiculous solutions 20180305 15:32:38<+discordbot2> like level one elvish captain to give leadership to the second fighter so he can kill a unit, lvl 2 and then leadership 3rd unit 20180305 15:32:53<+discordbot2> managing RNG in wesnoth is usually about maximizing damage dealt and minimizing damage taken, so I compensate for that by giving lots of HP the the enemy and less HP to your units 20180305 15:33:47<+discordbot2> well it is like chess puzzles, how you are always sacrificing pieces everywhere and doing weird stuff like promoting a pawn to a knight, not like chess at all 20180305 15:34:03<+discordbot2> given all that i am not sure if the name tactical puzzles is completely ok but i think there is no good reason to change it and i think it is sort of ok 20180305 15:35:08<+discordbot2> well 20180305 15:35:20<+discordbot2> in chess it is more about long combinations 20180305 15:35:25<+discordbot2> there it is more about counting xD 20180305 15:36:22<+discordbot2> and you could argue that there is more weirdness in chess 20180305 15:38:19<+discordbot2> hmm steam workshop + wesnoth could be killer 20180305 15:40:28< Soliton> what advantage would that give? 20180305 15:42:25-!- octalot [~steve@178.165.130.90.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 15:42:27<+discordbot2> I thought it might bring more people to create campaigns 20180305 15:47:59< Soliton> sounds more like you'd get less people to make campaigns since those that don't use steam are then out. or you'd split the community between steam and non-steam add-ons. 20180305 15:49:15<+discordbot2> k 20180305 15:59:09<+discordbot2> Time will tell 20180305 16:39:54<+discordbot2> @RatArmy I can confirm that in order to let people to pin messages you need to let them Manage Messages on that channel (not necessarily the whole server unlike what @jyrkive said). That means allowing them to be able to delete other people's messages as well, so it's not a permission we can easily grant without knowing more about the people in question. Ideally only Discord Mods should have the permission anyway since otherwise 20180305 16:39:55<+discordbot2> things can get a bit messy. 20180305 16:43:22<+discordbot2> I will say that the language channels weren't thought out that well in the first place since we only have mods able to cover Spanish, Finnish, Italian, and German. 20180305 16:44:45<+discordbot2> For the most part we just trust that you'll report anything to us as it comes up. That includes requesting assistance with pinning messages if there's a consensus that you need to have messages pinned for some reason. 20180305 16:54:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 17:01:53-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.207.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180305 17:21:15<+discordbot2> @Prkl honestly the current add-on publishing system is as easy as making a Steam mod. This wasn't always the case but these days you just build off a template and drop in a _server.pbl 20180305 17:22:19-!- octalot [~steve@178.165.130.90.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180305 17:49:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 18:04:55< zookeeper> yeah, if you can build an add-on in the first place then publishing it is pretty much trivially easy. 20180305 18:13:00-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 18:13:08< hk238> hello 20180305 18:14:44-!- PjotrOrial [quassel@unaffiliated/pjotrorial] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20180305 18:16:28-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@quassel.woboq.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 18:16:28-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@quassel.woboq.com] has quit [Changing host] 20180305 18:16:28-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@unaffiliated/pjotrorial] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 18:50:11<+discordbot2> Hi hk238 20180305 18:50:37<+discordbot2> :hk238 Hello. 20180305 19:21:42-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [] 20180305 19:28:36< zookeeper> oww, even the second (follow the leader) tactics puzzle is really tricky. 20180305 19:41:21< zookeeper> got it! 20180305 20:00:41< zookeeper> yay, all solved. 20180305 20:43:18<+discordbot2> :) 20180305 20:43:22<+discordbot2> Im so happy for this 20180305 20:56:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 20:56:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 21:20:14-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 21:21:36-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:29ba:c617:4a85:b25f] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 21:36:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 21:40:33-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6F7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180305 23:20:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180305 23:47:24-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180305 23:58:05-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:29ba:c617:4a85:b25f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Tue Mar 06 00:00:37 2018