--- Log opened Thu Mar 08 00:00:26 2018 20180308 00:19:08-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6F7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180308 00:25:45-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 00:48:33-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 01:08:34-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 01:10:53-!- sigurdfd [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180308 02:13:58-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.30.190] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 02:33:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 02:33:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 03:09:04-!- shadowm [~iris@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [] 20180308 03:14:53-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20180308 03:15:15-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 03:17:44-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180308 03:17:55-!- shadowm [~iris@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 03:18:42-!- rwr3000 [43a786ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.167.134.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 03:19:04< rwr3000> How do I include default factions in my custom era? 20180308 03:37:41< celticminstrel> {ERA_DEFAULT} should work. 20180308 03:37:46< celticminstrel> In your [era] tag. 20180308 03:38:10< celticminstrel> FTR, if you want an AoH variant, there's also {ERA_HEROES}. 20180308 03:38:46 * celticminstrel is not 100% confident that'll work, if it doesn't you'd have to copy-paste the macro contents from data/multiplayers/eras.cfg. 20180308 03:38:51< celticminstrel> ^-s 20180308 03:40:47< rwr3000> thanks 20180308 03:40:55-!- rwr3000 [43a786ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.167.134.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20180308 03:55:46< celticminstrel> Well, they sure didn't hang around long. 20180308 04:04:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 04:04:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 05:10:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 05:10:44-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 05:37:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180308 06:38:30-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 07:36:32-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180308 07:41:03<+discordbot2> hi everyone 20180308 07:49:04< galegosimpatico> o/ 20180308 10:10:33-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fhmjjcshggiobgwu] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 10:28:05-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 10:28:29< vn971> hi all. I've just published a new add-on called "Pick Unit Advance". 20180308 10:28:50< vn971> Same as previous add-ons, it allows you to specify advances for a unit... BUT 20180308 10:29:31< vn971> But it also allows you to save the preference for all new units in game, and also all new units on _map_, including future games on same maps with the add-on. 20180308 10:30:36< vn971> Feedback welcome, and have fun playing it.:) 20180308 10:32:22< vn971> Example use case: "4p A New Land". In 99% of the time, you want Peasants to upgrade to Spearman, not the archer. Well, now you can save that once and for all... if you wish. 20180308 11:23:34<+discordbot2> Cool :] 20180308 11:37:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 11:37:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 12:20:48-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 12:27:43-!- vn971 [~vasya@94.158.103.15] has left #wesnoth ["ISON Rogach NickServ "] 20180308 14:38:53-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.30.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180308 15:41:11-!- deathisundead [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 15:48:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 15:48:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 16:05:54-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180308 16:12:49-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 16:20:57<+discordbot2> Interesting 20180308 16:28:52<+discordbot2> So, I'm not sure if it is ever specified, and I apologize if it is, but what is the length of the time span between Dwarven Doors's fall and its liberation? 20180308 16:42:47-!- deathisundead_ [~quassel@2601:40a:c380:462:744f:9a29:9fa:e0f1] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 16:45:27-!- deathisundead [~quassel@unaffiliated/the-unforgiven/x-8713611] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180308 17:00:33<+discordbot2> There's no specific timespan. Several human generations is the only indicator we have from NR 20180308 17:03:13<+discordbot2> Okay. I was thinking at the beginning of Ashievere's reign, but I think it would be earlier. 20180308 17:10:03-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fhmjjcshggiobgwu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180308 17:35:06< zookeeper> i'm not sure if the connection is made anywhere, but consider how the HttT intro begins with a big war with the orcs. makes sense to assume that DD fell during that war. 20180308 17:36:51<+discordbot2> That's what I thought at first as well. 20180308 17:49:58<+discordbot2> It just doesn't work with the intro story since less than a generation passes between The Betrayal of Eldred and The Delving of Konrad 20180308 17:50:34<+discordbot2> Yeah. That's what made me reconsider. 20180308 17:50:53<+discordbot2> Perhaps the war at the beginning of HttT arises from an advance continuing out of the DD warlord? 20180308 17:51:33<+discordbot2> Or maybe the stories are just inconsistent, that definitely hasn't ever happened 20180308 17:54:54<+discordbot2> Maybe. 20180308 17:57:07<+discordbot2> Perhaps it was a break-off strategy from some remaining orcs after DM? 20180308 17:59:58<+discordbot2> Not possible. They had a different chieftain and spent a year on the siege 20180308 18:02:01<+discordbot2> I think you might have to go back further 20180308 18:02:35<+discordbot2> The thing is, no one cared because it didn't affect Wesnoth proper 20180308 18:02:36<+discordbot2> Hmm. Okay. Been a while since I played it, so I may not remember well, but I'll still try with the Timeline and the details of the campaigns that I remember, as I have played through all of them. 20180308 18:02:48<+discordbot2> I kinda figured. 20180308 18:02:55<+discordbot2> So it could slot in a lot of places 20180308 18:03:08<+discordbot2> Just not during another orcish invasion 20180308 18:03:14<+discordbot2> Yeah. 20180308 18:04:46<+discordbot2> Perhaps around or after DiD. They weren't dealing with too many threats or world wars then, and they removed that lich eventually, so they had time to stock and attack. 20180308 18:06:49<+discordbot2> And near the end of Garard I's reign, the Kingdom was marred by many Orcish and Undead attacks, so maybe around there. 20180308 18:09:01<+discordbot2> No that when DM takes place 20180308 18:09:08<+discordbot2> * that's 20180308 18:09:43<+discordbot2> I think the First Dark Age would make sense though 20180308 18:10:08<+discordbot2> Oh, yeah. Forgot. My brain isn't working to well with me today. XD 20180308 18:11:38<+discordbot2> Let's say 386 YW. That gives 132 years to the visit of Konrad 20180308 18:11:56<+discordbot2> *too 20180308 18:12:26<+discordbot2> Yeah. Makes sense. 20180308 18:15:24< zookeeper> or one can just headcanon the "generations" in the NR intro into singular form. 20180308 18:15:37< zookeeper> (assuming there are no other inconsistencies) 20180308 18:15:54<+discordbot2> That doesn't fit well with near-complete loss of hope though 20180308 18:21:20< zookeeper> but 132 years is also a pretty huge amount of time for orcs to hold a sizable human population as slaves while essentially besieging knalga. 20180308 18:26:30<+discordbot2> Not with that attitude....!1! 20180308 18:30:33<+discordbot2> The dwarves are underground. Fighting them is optional 20180308 19:00:22-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180308 19:03:42<+discordbot2> And in favorable terrain. 20180308 19:05:36<+discordbot2> You don't fight Dwarves in caves. 20180308 19:08:46<+discordbot2> unless maybe you're trolls? 20180308 19:08:59<+discordbot2> they seem to do okay 20180308 19:12:15<+discordbot2> Still, I've always done better with Dwarves than Trolls, but I see what you mean. 20180308 19:13:01<+discordbot2> yah, just that trolls can do okay 20180308 19:13:10<+discordbot2> not like elves, who get mashed in caves 20180308 19:17:15-!- octalot [~steve@77.119.130.132.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 19:17:59<+discordbot2> Yeah, they do okay. 20180308 19:18:08<+discordbot2> And are semi-intellectual. 20180308 19:49:23<+discordbot2> there was that one cave map i played once 20180308 19:49:38<+discordbot2> and i said that trolls would win vs dwarves there and it is true i think 20180308 19:50:01-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6F7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 19:50:22<+discordbot2> For a good fraction of players, likely. But Dwarves just fit my style; Quality over Quantity. 20180308 19:50:26<+discordbot2> but in a campaign, i can imagine if it was cave it would be a bit hard because 50% is not ideal for dwarf especially if there are many strong trolls 20180308 19:50:59<+discordbot2> yeah 20180308 19:51:21<+discordbot2> in the past i would always take quantity in wesnoth, but now i could take both xD 20180308 19:52:26<+discordbot2> trolls would win vs dwarf only because it is the same terrain for everyone, same good defense and trolls regenerate, and its chokepoints and darkness 20180308 19:52:31<+discordbot2> especially because its darkness 20180308 19:53:04<+discordbot2> that is why cave maps are not really fair for pvp xD 20180308 19:54:30<+discordbot2> Do PvP cave maps have underground set? I don't think that's normal 20180308 19:54:45<+discordbot2> I think Dwarves would have the edge because they have 5 lines of units, instead of just one, and they got 60% def on cave hills. 20180308 19:54:55<+discordbot2> if there is cave on 1v1 map it will almost always be small and with no custom tod 20180308 19:55:22<+discordbot2> i think the biggest cave (no custom tod) i have seen in 1v1 map was on autumn harvest 20180308 19:55:58<+discordbot2> there was that one custom map with gigantic cave with tod (or maybe without? im not sure) that i once played 20180308 19:56:11<+discordbot2> well i did not play it actually just seen but i would not mind trying it 20180308 19:56:33<+discordbot2> ah 20180308 19:57:00<+discordbot2> could be could be 20180308 19:57:57<+discordbot2> but i see no advantage because there will be more trolls, significantly more and the biggest dwarf advantage in such a fight - ulfs you would not really be able to use them in darkness very well but you could if trolls dont overrun you 20180308 19:58:11<+discordbot2> well if you have lvl 2 or 3s that is a different story 20180308 19:58:27<+discordbot2> ofc if you would have villages or heal for your units - you win 20180308 19:58:38<+discordbot2> higher lvl dwarves can kill trolls 20180308 19:59:35<+discordbot2> i think there was one scenario in HTTT with dwarves and trolls in cave and quite a lot of trolls 20180308 19:59:58<+discordbot2> i do not like dwarf vs droll that much in campaigns xD 20180308 20:00:02<+discordbot2> *troll 20180308 20:12:19<+discordbot2> I remember one time I created a giant balanced cave map and used add-ons to set it up so the enemy was trolls, and I was Dwarves, only able to create L1s. It took like 10 turns, but after about a dozen turns of being stalemated at a chokehold, and then I leveled one of my Dwarves and from there I kept destroying the trolls more and more. So it seems to me the Troll L1s definitely have an edge against the Dwarven L1s, but the Dwarven 20180308 20:12:19<+discordbot2> L2 and L3s are significantly better than the Troll L2s or L3s. 20180308 20:30:43<+discordbot2> that is true 20180308 20:30:58<+discordbot2> well 1v1 dwarf fighter wins vs troll but not if it cant kill it 20180308 20:31:12<+discordbot2> so eg on good defense and especially in night 20180308 20:35:21<+discordbot2> Yeah. 20180308 21:08:55-!- in8 [~in8@96.57.11.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 21:10:02-!- in8 [~in8@96.57.11.98] has left #wesnoth ["Leaving"] 20180308 21:23:58<+discordbot2> favorite addons anyone? 20180308 21:26:09< nore> imho, Invasion from the Unknown and After the Storm, which are unofficial sequels to Under the burning suns, are among the best addons out there 20180308 21:27:26< nore> To lands unknown is also a very good addon, with stunning graphics 20180308 21:28:20< nore> (but that is quite subjective :p) 20180308 21:55:19<+discordbot2> https://wargroove.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/commander_action_sigrid.gif can't stop thinking of the Matriarch of Emptiness. 20180308 22:02:50-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.30.190] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 22:16:22-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.63.30.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180308 22:18:24-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.180.232] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 22:28:17-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@61.68.180.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180308 22:31:40-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.111.185.228] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 23:06:43-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 23:12:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 23:12:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 23:12:53< DeFender1031> "I can't stop thinking about waffles!" 20180308 23:19:44-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180308 23:19:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180308 23:32:18<+discordbot2> <Ѕcar> Personally my favourite addon is Bad Moon Rising 20180308 23:44:23-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Mar 09 00:00:29 2018