--- Log opened Sun Mar 11 00:00:31 2018 20180311 01:33:26<+discordbot2> Lol northerners are so fun 20180311 01:33:34<+discordbot2> U just chop stuff with all ur swords 20180311 01:33:52<+discordbot2> Makes me wish I were like half orc half human 20180311 01:36:03<+discordbot2> I would win all the wrestling competitions xD 20180311 01:36:12<+discordbot2> cuz id be smelly and really strong but still look like a human 20180311 01:39:53<+discordbot2> XD 20180311 01:43:54<+discordbot2> xD 20180311 01:48:04-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 03:12:58-!- octalot [~steve@178.165.131.159.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [] 20180311 04:01:41-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6C28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180311 06:08:16-!- alexneudatchin [~alex@31.148.138.236] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 06:44:13-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180311 07:24:57-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180311 07:34:34<+discordbot2> By the way: thanks for staying consistent with the β€œThe” in front of The Battle for Wesnoth. It used to be inconsistently applied everywhere. 20180311 07:34:34-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 07:36:31<+discordbot2> Well, sure. Vultraz was giving me a hard time for that though. 20180311 07:37:00<+discordbot2> He insisted for a while it was supposed to be without the 'The' even though I'm fairly positive he's the one who enforced 'The' in the C++. 20180311 07:38:34<+discordbot2> I may be mixing up in my memory with Espreon though. 20180311 07:38:41<+discordbot2> *mixing him up 20180311 08:20:40<+discordbot2> I can never decide which we're supposed to go with and when 20180311 08:21:23<+discordbot2> I think I made that decision for you when I finished up Wesmere. 20180311 08:21:32<+discordbot2> Siteways. 20180311 08:36:54-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 08:49:54-!- Smedles [~quassel@1.125.111.25] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20180311 08:50:13-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.111.185.228] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 08:51:21-!- Smedles [~quassel@1.125.111.25] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 09:00:13<+discordbot2> I always alternate between calling it Battle for Wesnoth and The Battle For Wesnoth 20180311 09:00:43<+discordbot2> but I understand that the latter is supposedly the proper one, no? 20180311 09:03:48<+discordbot2> Yes. But I call it the former usually if I have to spell it out. 20180311 09:04:41<+discordbot2> As opposed to just calling it Wesnoth and assuming that everyone can tell what I'm talking about since it's a very SEO-friendly name. 20180311 09:05:40<+discordbot2> (Thanks, past Dave.) 20180311 09:06:02<+discordbot2> What does SEO stand for? 20180311 09:06:15<+discordbot2> Search engine optimization. 20180311 09:06:18<+discordbot2> Ah 20180311 09:06:40<+discordbot2> The magic of making sites rank high on search engines (Google etc.). 20180311 09:06:53<+discordbot2> lol πŸ€” 20180311 09:07:07<+discordbot2> Or in marketroid terms, making them "relevant". 20180311 09:08:10<+discordbot2> The more unique something is, the more relevant it is by default. 20180311 09:08:13<+discordbot2> So Wesnoth is SEO-friendly, meaning that it comes up as top in search results? 20180311 09:08:23<+discordbot2> or towards the top 20180311 09:08:36<+discordbot2> Yes. If you Google Wesnoth that is. 20180311 09:08:40<+discordbot2> The point is that no one else is using a word "wesnoth" anywhere. 20180311 09:08:51<+discordbot2> I see I see 20180311 09:08:55<+discordbot2> Therefore, if you Google "Wesnoth", we are the #1 result. 20180311 09:09:03<+discordbot2> lol 20180311 09:09:07<+discordbot2> A few things are but they are not relevant enough. 20180311 09:09:28<+discordbot2> They're probably buried somewhere in page 3 or so. 20180311 09:09:59<+discordbot2> lol 4.9/5 on sourceforge ;) 20180311 09:10:00<+discordbot2> I used to be in charge of one of those things even. 20180311 09:10:08<+discordbot2> oh? cool 20180311 09:12:26<+discordbot2> Codename morning star? 20180311 09:12:56<+discordbot2> Somehow I completely forgot that. 20180311 09:13:17<+discordbot2> Well u are a busy guy/girl :] 20180311 09:13:24<+discordbot2> u will forget something 20180311 09:14:13<+discordbot2> lol this is what makes humans so cute sometimes xD 20180311 09:14:26<+discordbot2> our little innocent errors and such 20180311 09:14:53<+discordbot2> I'm a terrible mother I know. I still have a campaign I've been supposed to make since about 5 years ago. 20180311 09:15:05<+discordbot2> Some day. 20180311 09:15:15<+discordbot2> Mother? lol 20180311 09:15:44<+discordbot2> My code is my babies. 20180311 09:16:09<+discordbot2> I neglect it so much I should probably be in prison for that. 20180311 09:16:10<+discordbot2> lol I feel inferior to anyone that can code 20180311 09:16:31<+discordbot2> I dont like coding because 20180311 09:16:44<+discordbot2> feels too gritty for me personally 20180311 09:17:43<+discordbot2> So instead 20180311 09:17:52<+discordbot2> Not sure what happened but I played world conquest and my team was decimated, was I supposed to reinforce them? They threw everything at them with no strategy but when one of them died the game ended. My forces were busy it up as a new defense line when the enemies entered my allies bases lol 20180311 09:17:56<+discordbot2> I play chess and lift weights :D :F 20180311 09:18:19<+discordbot2> and constantly seek cute girls 20180311 09:18:28<+discordbot2> but can never find any 20180311 09:18:44<+discordbot2> because of my standards 20180311 09:19:13<+discordbot2> world conquest? addon? 20180311 09:22:15<+discordbot2> I find my discord picture to be super adorable 20180311 09:27:28<+discordbot2> world conquest is an add on 20180311 09:27:39<+discordbot2> cool. Would you recommend? 20180311 09:28:42<+discordbot2> I saw it in a YouTube series but i don’t see how it can be beat if the AI can’t survive on its own without player playing support lol 20180311 09:28:53<+discordbot2> I’m a noob lol 20180311 09:31:46<+discordbot2> Ah 20180311 09:31:54<+discordbot2> Sounds like a hard campaign 20180311 09:51:33<+discordbot2> You should be able to use the droid command to take control of them, if you want πŸ‘€ 20180311 10:59:43-!- Bonobo [~Bonobo@203.111.185.228] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180311 12:28:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 12:49:27-!- alexneudatchin [~alex@31.148.138.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180311 13:04:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180311 13:04:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 13:38:30-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 14:29:41-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 14:41:27-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180311 15:13:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180311 15:18:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180311 15:18:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 15:21:05-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180311 15:35:44-!- minzbonbon [~min@2a02:1b8:10:22:216:3eff:fe7b:f338] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 15:52:58-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180311 16:07:18-!- minzbonbon [~min@2a02:1b8:10:22:216:3eff:fe7b:f338] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180311 16:07:48-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 17:03:51<+discordbot2> if it wasn't for you i would have never get to know that somebody has made a youtube series (regardless how popular) about non default era 20180311 17:05:21<+discordbot2> depends with who you play, i have seen people who dont play on nightmare lol xD 20180311 17:07:38-!- octalot [~steve@178.115.128.212.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 17:13:10-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 17:13:13< hk238> hello 20180311 18:06:48-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6C28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 18:57:30-!- octalot [~steve@178.115.128.212.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [] 20180311 19:24:27-!- octalot [~steve@178.115.128.212.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 19:29:41<+discordbot2> Hi :] 20180311 19:29:57<+discordbot2> lmao visage oh god xDD 20180311 19:46:51-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180311 19:47:34<+discordbot2> .... πŸ€” ? 20180311 19:48:06<+discordbot2> FWIW, the droid command is pretty broken. You can even take control of enemy factions :v 20180311 19:48:31<+discordbot2> So it's not an intended use case in any campaign, that I'm aware of 20180311 19:53:21<+discordbot2> You could also use it to kill off the protagonist playing as the antagonist, while the AI controls what was your side/ 20180311 19:53:25<+discordbot2> *. 20180311 19:53:59<+discordbot2> XD 20180311 20:05:08<+discordbot2> Hahah xD 20180311 20:05:15<+discordbot2> You guys are so cute!!! 20180311 20:14:32< Ravana_> that might be why 1.13 droid is disabled then - I had to create addon to access droid functionality 20180311 20:16:01< Ravana_> I consider droid safest way to bypass problems in scenario 20180311 20:48:44<+discordbot2> There shouldnt be any anti-cheat measures in wesnoth lol xD 20180311 20:48:54<+discordbot2> except for multiplayer 20180311 20:50:00<+discordbot2> Any anti-cheat measures would be reasonably easy to bypass by creating a customized build of Wesnoth. It would be impossible to fully block. 20180311 20:51:37<+discordbot2> Well I just dont think that disabling droid for campaigns in wesnoth is a good idea 20180311 20:51:51<+discordbot2> because for one, yeah there could be technical problems 20180311 20:52:01<+discordbot2> and secondly u cant really fully bypass anyway 20180311 20:53:00<+discordbot2> Hmm. Maybe the droid command should be moved to debug mode. 20180311 20:54:20<+discordbot2> that is a pretty fair compromise 20180311 21:10:07<+discordbot2> That is a very fair compromise. Considering you can take control of enemy sides with it 20180311 21:11:04<+discordbot2> If you wanted to get real specific with it, you could always make it default to affecting your own side, and make giving it an argument debug only. So you can give control of your side away, or resume it, but not mess with anyone else 20180311 21:12:00< octalot> in a multiplayer game, you should be able to droid any side that you control 20180311 21:19:52<+discordbot2> Or undroid one, right? 20180311 21:23:29<+discordbot2> It's the same command 20180311 21:23:33<+discordbot2> And, uh 20180311 21:23:51<+discordbot2> Technically you don't control any side that you've droided πŸ˜‰ 20180311 21:24:01<+discordbot2> Yeah, it's just :droid again. 20180311 21:24:16<+discordbot2> Okay I see what you mean. 20180311 21:26:44< Soliton> technically your client controls the side whether you do that manually or through an ai is a different matter. 20180311 21:29:37<+discordbot2> hm yeah 20180311 21:30:20<+discordbot2> given that, could it be possible to modify the ai behavior on your client and then use that to "cheat" in mp by faking droid? xD idk why anyone would want to do it though 20180311 21:31:18< Soliton> you mean you'd write an ai that plays better than you? or what's the cheating part? 20180311 21:31:40<+discordbot2> lets say write an ai that plays better than the default ai 20180311 21:32:03<+discordbot2> ok in before we already have such ais 20180311 21:32:10<+discordbot2> i know about it 20180311 21:32:56<+discordbot2> ok, so lets say now, is it possible to make the droid command use some different ai than default? lets say experimental 20180311 21:34:02< Soliton> i don't think that's currently possible but it could be made so, sure. 20180311 21:34:50<+discordbot2> I don't see how that's cheating πŸ‘€ 20180311 21:34:57<+discordbot2> a feature to do it could be useful on some rare occasions 20180311 21:35:22<+discordbot2> that would be cheating because people would expect default ai and it would not be default ai! haha brilliant plan xD 20180311 21:35:42<+discordbot2> If you're good enough to make an AI to bring your league rating up, you earned it more than any of those other players did, probably 20180311 21:36:27<+discordbot2> Do... do droid commands show up in netplay? 20180311 21:36:49<+discordbot2> the point would never be to make an ai that plays better than you, a way easier thing would eg be somebody better than you playing through your account 20180311 21:37:07<+discordbot2> i mean 20180311 21:37:09<+discordbot2> your client 20180311 21:37:23<+discordbot2> I'm not sure what you mean, then 20180311 21:37:44<+discordbot2> I suppose you could use it to climb a little after switching accounts so you can have more interesting matches? 20180311 21:37:46<+discordbot2> but uh 20180311 21:37:51<+discordbot2> that's still not cheating in my book 20180311 21:37:52<+discordbot2> lol 20180311 21:38:05<+discordbot2> i mean that it would be cheating because you always expect the ai to be default 20180311 21:38:17<+discordbot2> and there is no ingame way to change it 20180311 21:38:43<+discordbot2> lol 20180311 21:38:48<+discordbot2> if you do not think its cheating 20180311 21:38:56<+discordbot2> then i do not know what you consider cheating 20180311 21:38:57<+discordbot2> xD 20180311 21:39:06<+discordbot2> This has devolved into me saying my point, and you saying yours, and each repeating our original thesis 20180311 21:39:08<+discordbot2> :P 20180311 21:39:21<+discordbot2> loading save files are imo a weaker cheating than this 20180311 21:39:41<+discordbot2> well i guess it means its a matter of semantics 20180311 21:39:52<+discordbot2> Cheating would be e.g. adding bonus accuracy to your units, or spamming save-reload for good RNG 20180311 21:40:10< Soliton> hard to tell what this is. it went from letting an ai playing your side to somehow letting a different human playing it. 20180311 21:40:33<+discordbot2> save reload is questionable because where do you draw the line? any loading will skew rng in some, albeit relatively little way 20180311 21:40:45<+discordbot2> I'm not opposed to the idea of loading a save to take back a misclick/tactical blunder, but resetting just for RNG is a step too far 20180311 21:41:12<+discordbot2> and the "tactical blunder" excuse goes out the window if there's fog 20180311 21:41:26<+discordbot2> i think its inherent to loading not much you can do about it 20180311 21:41:32<+discordbot2> Β―_(ツ)_/Β― 20180311 21:41:36<+discordbot2> You're not wrong 20180311 21:41:52<+discordbot2> You said you don't know what I consider cheating, and I clarified 20180311 21:42:11<+discordbot2> yeah, right 20180311 21:42:59<+discordbot2> a matter of semantics, but did you know that people got banned from ladder for loading saves to get rid of fog of war and see opp moves? 20180311 21:43:08<+discordbot2> well actually, a single person i know about 20180311 21:43:28<+discordbot2> I didn't know, and I don't play multiplayer at all πŸ˜› 20180311 21:44:24<+discordbot2> i think loading saves, even if its not really feasible in multiplayer, is a weaker form of cheating, and a stronger would be to let sb play through your client 20180311 21:44:37<+discordbot2> but that is not always so easy to prove xD 20180311 21:46:02<+discordbot2> and about the ai thing 20180311 21:46:10<+discordbot2> I mean, yes, that's cheating also, but not at all preventable 20180311 21:46:14<+discordbot2> that is even weaker than loading 20180311 21:46:19<+discordbot2> yeah 20180311 21:46:25<+discordbot2> It's not really cheating at all 20180311 21:46:49<+discordbot2> and i do not even take into account the fact that you could probably use it at best a few times in the lifetime xD 20180311 21:47:19-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180311 22:15:27< Soliton> there is a "deterministic mode" that is specifically so reloading does not change RNG outcome. of course you can still change the order of attacks.. 20180311 22:15:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 22:16:39<+discordbot2> @EoZ I dont see how that helps 20180311 22:16:57<+discordbot2> ohhh you mean during the game 20180311 22:16:59<+discordbot2> a turn saves 20180311 22:17:05<+discordbot2> they load it while playing the game and see opponent's moves 20180311 22:17:09<+discordbot2> Dang that is pretty scummy xD 20180311 22:25:12-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 22:35:03<+discordbot2> exactly 20180311 23:00:01-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 23:29:54-!- vultraz [uid24821@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 23:45:05-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180311 23:45:34-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 23:46:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180311 23:49:13-!- deathisundead_ [~quassel@2601:40a:c380:462:6846:845c:b57a:4b9a] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180311 23:50:29-!- deathisundead [~quassel@2601:40a:c380:462:6846:845c:b57a:4b9a] has joined #wesnoth 20180311 23:56:33<+discordbot2> but if you're a newbie player 20180311 23:56:44<+discordbot2> then I dont see how it can really help you other than knowing what the opponent's units and plans are 20180311 23:56:52<+discordbot2> but I guess newbie means nothing to you xD cuz ur the polish fish god!! --- Log closed Mon Mar 12 00:00:33 2018