--- Log opened Wed Mar 21 00:00:08 2018 20180321 01:48:31-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [] 20180321 03:40:15<+discordbot1> I finished my TZA mod ❀ 20180321 03:41:40<+discordbot1> https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy12/mods/37 20180321 03:41:56<+discordbot1> Not really Wesnoth-related but I've been working on it a week. Really happy to finally release it πŸ˜ƒ 20180321 05:27:27-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180321 07:40:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 07:59:31-!- discordbot1 [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 07:59:40-!- discordbot2 [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 07:59:42-!- mode/#wesnoth [+v discordbot2] by ChanServ 20180321 08:34:33-!- MadMerlin2 [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180321 08:40:53<+discordbot2> Wanted to ask something of the devs if they get a moment: What compells you to work on this project completely for free without compensation of any kind? Since I can guesstimate the iOS money barely covers most of the server and other costs.... 20180321 08:51:52-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 09:05:25-!- MadMerlin2 [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 09:10:48< galegosimpatico> @Daedalus did you mean "without monetary compensation of any kind?"? 20180321 09:15:36<+discordbot2> do we get a lot of edible arrangements here, or what? 20180321 09:15:52<+discordbot2> @Daedalus Originally fame, glory and wanting to make meaningful contributions to a game I liked, now probably mostly community and emotional attachment. I wouldn't know how to quit at this point. 20180321 09:16:44<+discordbot2> @zookeeper πŸ† 20180321 09:17:25<+discordbot2> Part of the reason I decided to get an Android phone is because the Wesnoth port is free. 20180321 09:17:37<+discordbot2> but not until after I bought the iOS version 20180321 09:19:00<+discordbot2> In my case I always just wanted to give back to the community that made what at the time (2005) felt like an amazing and high-quality game for what was then a relatively tiny FOSS gaming ecosystem. 20180321 09:19:45<+discordbot2> Then I made a campaign and then I made another campaign and now it's also kind of a responsibility for my own content since I need Wesnoth to make said content work. 20180321 09:19:56<+discordbot2> And if Wesnoth stops working then my content stops working too. 20180321 09:20:41<+discordbot2> πŸ‘πŸΎ 20180321 09:20:47<+discordbot2> you all rock btw πŸ˜„ 20180321 09:21:09<+discordbot2> I kinda do modding just for the hell of it, because it is fun and having my work recognized is even more fun πŸ˜„ 20180321 09:26:20< galegosimpatico> So there was not point in your question in the first place. You already knew. :@ 20180321 09:26:45<+discordbot2> there was a point to my question; I was just curious that's all 20180321 09:26:55<+discordbot2> I don't presume that my personal motivation would match that of anyone else 20180321 09:31:48< galegosimpatico> Depends on the forum. In the market people work for money. In the barracks they work for their brothers. 20180321 09:33:32<+discordbot2> and sisters πŸ˜„ 20180321 09:34:12< galegosimpatico> Very right. 20180321 09:34:24< galegosimpatico> Shame on me. 20180321 09:34:38<+discordbot2> nah it is fine, I get the gist of it 20180321 09:38:25<+discordbot2> speaking of which, anyone know what became of Solymos (HU)? 20180321 10:39:59-!- octalot [~steve@213-225-3-81.nat.highway.a1.net] has quit [] 20180321 10:40:25-!- octalot [~steve@213-225-3-81.nat.highway.a1.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 10:50:26<+discordbot2> still alive 20180321 10:51:07<+discordbot2> also you apparently missed "FreeSV" accounts 20180321 11:47:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 12:37:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 14:16:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 14:16:49-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 14:27:44-!- octalot [~steve@213-225-3-81.nat.highway.a1.net] has quit [] 20180321 15:58:19<+discordbot2> @Daedalus I haven't contributed code at the scale of many here, but most of my contributions have been driven by features I wanted available for my add-ons. My add-on project has a dual motivation of wanting to tell a story and wanting to give something back to the community that gave me probably hundreds of hours of enjoyment. 20180321 16:06:01-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 16:16:35-!- Amany [~gaspar@aip141.rev.netart.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180321 16:17:39-!- Amany [~gaspar@aip141.rev.netart.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 16:50:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 17:32:54<+discordbot2> question, can someone direct me to a good source where to find fan-made free-to-use content? more specifically sprites or portraits 20180321 17:33:23<+discordbot2> im not good at graphic design (though i can do a few sprite edits on what i have to get what i want exactly) 20180321 17:37:15-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 17:38:12-!- Polsaker [hfmEwsuZBt@donger/wielder/Polsaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180321 17:40:21-!- Polsaker [QZXspfMPf7@donger/wielder/Polsaker] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 17:45:37<+discordbot2> OpenGameArt might be more useful now that you can use CC content 20180321 17:46:00<+discordbot2> any links? 20180321 17:46:18<+discordbot2> like, where can i find stuff that would work for Wesnoth 20180321 17:46:29<+discordbot2> (i want to use sprites and animations especially, for wesnoth) 20180321 17:47:47<+discordbot2> If you want usable animated sprites your options are basically to borrow from another add-on, create yourself, or get someone else to produce 20180321 18:00:09<+discordbot2> am i able to borrow from another add-on? 20180321 18:00:22<+discordbot2> since i have seen sprites in invasion from the unknown used in another campaign for example 20180321 18:00:34<+discordbot2> https://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/Sepulchre_of_Elran/en_US/Sepulchre_of_Elran.html those northern humans for example 20180321 18:00:53<+discordbot2> if yes, can you guide me to some campaigns where their content is free to use? 20180321 18:01:05<+discordbot2> or some authors who may let me use them if i ask 20180321 18:04:57<+discordbot2> like, where do these add-on creators find the sprites? or how can i get a hold of sprites like those? 20180321 18:05:15<+discordbot2> https://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/War_of_the_Dragon/en_US/War%20of%20the%20Dragon.html or this one, it has the Tower unit from IFTU 20180321 18:08:58<+discordbot2> I don't think that tower first originated from IFTU 20180321 18:09:07<+discordbot2> well seeing how its in another campaign im sure it didnt 20180321 18:09:13<+discordbot2> but i wonder where do these authors find those resources to use 20180321 18:09:38<+discordbot2> people take things from addons all the time 20180321 18:09:50<+discordbot2> without proper crediting, it isn't necessarily easy to tell where the original is from 20180321 18:10:43<+discordbot2> if you're talking about getting the sprites you can just download the addon and get the images from there? 20180321 18:11:46<+discordbot2> okay, so..its safe to actually do it, right? 20180321 18:11:55<+discordbot2> since i dont want to piss off an author 20180321 18:12:05<+discordbot2> or the one who made the sprite 20180321 18:12:35<+discordbot2> then ask 20180321 18:12:38<+discordbot2> just check the credits and give credit where it is due. no permission necessary 20180321 18:13:02<+discordbot2> if there is a CC license then you need to use the proper license when copying the sprite 20180321 18:13:28<+discordbot2> technically you do not have to have permission to copy the sprites, but if it is obvious that the sprite is specially drawn for a specific purpose 20180321 18:13:37<+discordbot2> it's probably better to ask the author 20180321 18:15:09-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180321 18:15:37<+discordbot2> you can download War of the Gods era and you will have all the sprites borrowed by someone else for your use 20180321 18:16:45<+discordbot2> not sure if War of the Gods has proper licensing, though 20180321 18:18:00<+discordbot2> (my opinion) asking permission implies that they have a right of refusal, which is false, and would be quite awkward if they tried to assert it... if you want to be polite, just inform. don't ask 20180321 18:18:12<+discordbot2> alright 20180321 18:18:27<+discordbot2> and whats a good way to contact the author? private message on the wesnoth forums? 20180321 18:18:35<+discordbot2> yes 20180321 18:18:38<+discordbot2> k 20180321 18:18:46<+discordbot2> I prefer people asking me before using my sprites. 20180321 18:18:50<+discordbot2> you won't find anyone else who has borrowedm ore content than chaos, so his addons should be your go to xD 20180321 18:18:51<+discordbot2> also, sorry if im being annoying with my frequent questions 20180321 18:19:14<+discordbot2> There are some cases where I can outright refuse while still pointing out they can legally ignore my reuqest, and others where I will make them better/different sprites. 20180321 18:19:21<+discordbot2> ah 20180321 18:19:52<+discordbot2> @sapient_n3t asking implies that you're willing to abide by their decision. 20180321 18:20:06<+discordbot2> tbh i dont want to be disrespectful so i dont mind if they dont want it used 20180321 18:20:25<+discordbot2> That's the correct mentality 20180321 18:20:52<+discordbot2> That said, I can tell you the tower unit sprite from IftU actually comes/came from mainline, SotBE (no idea if the unit has been dropped since). 20180321 18:21:06<+discordbot2> SotBE? 20180321 18:21:06<+discordbot2> So it's not mine. 20180321 18:21:09<+discordbot2> ah 20180321 18:21:12<+discordbot2> Son of the Black Eye. 20180321 18:21:15<+discordbot2> well i do know i can freely use mainline 20180321 18:21:24<+discordbot2> i asked it before, so yea 20180321 18:21:26<+discordbot2> this is a community, not a charity after all 20180321 18:21:35<+discordbot2> just because you can use the artist's sprite even if they don't want you to 20180321 18:21:39<+discordbot2> doesn't mean you should 20180321 18:21:50<+discordbot2> i know, and im not going to do that, thats why i ask first 20180321 18:22:00<+discordbot2> then use but only if they say yes 20180321 18:23:04<+discordbot2> interestingly 20180321 18:23:08<+discordbot2> on the art forums, there are also plenty of sprites where the artists have stated that they are free for taking 20180321 18:23:16<+discordbot2> i do not remember any sm's sprite in wotg 20180321 18:23:26<+discordbot2> (lots and lots of frakensteined sprites) 20180321 18:23:29<+discordbot2> so for some reason he could have decided to omit your content sm 20180321 18:23:44<+discordbot2> ah 20180321 18:24:31<+discordbot2> it is a community, so while there are some special sprites, I'd wager that most of them are intended to be free to use with credit 20180321 18:24:52<+discordbot2> so you have plenty of resources to work with 20180321 18:24:57<+discordbot2> animations tend to be more limited, however 20180321 18:25:21<+discordbot2> and portraits too 20180321 18:25:22<+discordbot2> yep 20180321 18:25:35<+discordbot2> but anyways, thanks a lot 20180321 18:29:28<+discordbot2> The only sprites I made were for the naga depthstalker. I was sad when they got removed from ageless era and the replacement sprite didn't use the cave naga color scheme. 20180321 18:33:02<+discordbot2> well, also there was a lame tiger sprite I made as a proof of concept and I begged people not to use it but someone did anyway. 😫 20180321 18:34:12<+discordbot2> Sounds about right 20180321 18:40:04<+discordbot2> @VYNLT https://opengamegraphics.com/ https://opengameart.org/ 20180321 18:40:42<+discordbot2> https://www.spriters-resource.com/ 20180321 18:40:55<+discordbot2> http://maximoff.alreadyread.net/SpriteSheets/ 20180321 18:41:14<+discordbot2> the spritesheets in particular are often used by modders looking to save time πŸ˜‰ 20180321 18:48:19<+discordbot2> mkay 20180321 19:06:42<+discordbot2> alright soo i edited the Fencer unit sprite 20180321 19:06:43<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/426094312410054672/campaign_icon2.png 20180321 19:06:47<+discordbot2> to make the main character's sprite 20180321 19:08:19<+discordbot2> looks pretty decent πŸ˜ƒ 20180321 19:08:29<+discordbot2> thanks 20180321 19:52:39< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) Few more unforeseen delays pushed our schedule back slightly, but we now have a FINAL, DEFINITIVE release date for… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/976547152364105730 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/976547152364105730 ] 20180321 19:53:30-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC66D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 20:15:28-!- octalot [~steve@178.115.131.231.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 20:49:20<+discordbot2> Q_Q 20180321 20:49:28<+discordbot2> why not May 5th? πŸ˜„ 20180321 20:49:32<+discordbot2> Cinco de Mayo 20180321 20:49:39<+discordbot2> make it a holiday themed release πŸ˜„ 20180321 20:54:30<+discordbot2> Probably because the person who suggested the date is not Mexican and doesn't know anything about Mexican holidays. 20180321 20:56:30<+discordbot2> May 5th is later than an already late date and does not hold special significance to the Wesnoth community so far as I know 20180321 20:57:12<+discordbot2> @shadowm Cinco de Mayo is probably the best known foreign holiday within the United States 20180321 20:57:28<+discordbot2> Mhm. 20180321 20:57:41<+discordbot2> I'm neither Mexican nor North American. 20180321 20:57:47<+discordbot2> (Yes, that's me, I suggested the date.) 20180321 20:59:12<+discordbot2> Oh I thought you meant Mr. Leader. Nevermind 20180321 21:00:44<+discordbot2> He wouldn't suggest a date for himself. :p 20180321 21:18:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 21:41:02-!- Guest40779 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180321 22:02:36-!- Guest40779 is now known as Haudegen 20180321 23:08:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 23:14:25<+discordbot2> Oh, @pydsigner , you're the current maintainer of The North Wind right? 20180321 23:14:49<+discordbot2> @Dan yes 20180321 23:15:19<+discordbot2> What did you name the new Deoran portrait? It's overwriting his original for the South Guard. 20180321 23:15:55<+discordbot2> That shouldn't happen ugh 20180321 23:16:24<+discordbot2> Only other thing I could find was that Mal Ravanal wasn't advisor, that was Dacyn. 20180321 23:16:32<+discordbot2> My [binary_path] must be wrong 20180321 23:16:52<+discordbot2> @Dan in the introduction? 20180321 23:16:55<+discordbot2> Yeah. 20180321 23:17:46< Ravana_> that makes me think of opening issue about adding key to binary_path to determine in which order they should be attempted 20180321 23:18:15<+discordbot2> Huh, weird, it's not replicating it again. I think it might only happen if I play the North Wind then go to the South Guard. 20180321 23:18:35<+discordbot2> @Dan what version of wesnoth? 20180321 23:18:38<+discordbot2> If that's the case it's a Wesnoth bug 20180321 23:18:53<+discordbot2> 1.12.6 20180321 23:19:28<+discordbot2> Fixed in 1.13.x, issue won't be in 1.14 20180321 23:19:55<+discordbot2> Ok 20180321 23:20:43<+discordbot2> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/52db950e94a5e09bdfb3ccc7056db3da90d70483 20180321 23:20:57<+discordbot2> Specifically, it was fixed in 1.13.11 20180321 23:20:58<+discordbot2> Well, other than that. I'm getting a WML bug for a scenario I made, should I go make a forum post or could I post a pastebin link of the cfg here? 20180321 23:21:33<+discordbot2> Either works 20180321 23:21:36< zookeeper> you can try here first, it can be faster for sure. 20180321 23:21:52<+discordbot2> I should create a new umc dev channel.. 20180321 23:22:46<+discordbot2> https://pastebin.com/JDnxcK44 Aight. 20180321 23:23:02<+discordbot2> I don't think there's enough traffic in this channel to require the division 20180321 23:23:17<+discordbot2> It's intended as a mp only scenario with no AI. 20180321 23:23:27<+discordbot2> Well, just between me and my friends specifically. 20180321 23:25:11<+discordbot2> I did replace some of the [unit] tags with [leader] just guessing from the singleunitWML guide and that fixed nothing, so I need to revert that. I have sides made and I think properly labelled player spawns. 20180321 23:25:52< zookeeper> you haven't said what the problem is 20180321 23:27:40<+discordbot2> It just gives the generic [Mandatory WML Child missing yet untested for] error. 20180321 23:28:03<+discordbot2> Looks like you don't have a [multiplayer] tag 20180321 23:28:22<+discordbot2> Ah, I was unaware of that one. 20180321 23:28:38<+discordbot2> Goes around everything you have there 20180321 23:28:52< zookeeper> ok, well, firstly the scenario editor doesn't actually output scenario .cfg's that are valid as-is (unless i've missed something) 20180321 23:29:04<+discordbot2> Take a look at a mainline MP cfg to get an idea of what you need 20180321 23:29:30<+discordbot2> Hamlets_2p.cfg or whichever 20180321 23:30:06<+discordbot2> Alright, thanks. 20180321 23:30:10< zookeeper> so yes, first wrap the whole thing in a [multiplayer] tag and try it again 20180321 23:30:49< zookeeper> also there's nothing on SingleUnitWML that suggests that [leader] is a valid tag anywhere, so just change those back to [unit] and maybe try to not apply that same logic elsewhere :p 20180321 23:31:28< zookeeper> oh, well, [leader] _is_ a thing after all, i forgot. 20180321 23:31:40< zookeeper> (but it was mentioned in SideWML) 20180321 23:32:01< zookeeper> so i guess those probably don't do any harm 20180321 23:32:04<+discordbot2> Yeah, I figured that one out quickly. I forgot to replace the end bracket most importantly fo that as well. 20180321 23:40:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180321 23:56:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180321 23:56:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Thu Mar 22 00:00:10 2018