--- Log opened Thu Apr 26 00:00:38 2018 20180426 00:01:13-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180426 00:24:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180426 01:21:41-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC631A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180426 02:04:58-!- DeFender1 [~danf@2601:155:4301:341d:4c80:6c3:8f36:f0de] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 02:14:57-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180426 02:16:52-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jdkrfbdvvudngdcn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180426 02:17:08-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rnstvrtnvtjdezss] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180426 02:18:52-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 04:13:16-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180426 04:20:22<+discordbot1> So… how many plugs is this server gonna do… 20180426 04:21:03<+discordbot1> Tempted to turn off server notifications 20180426 04:21:53<+discordbot1> Announcements shouldn't be crowded with shilling 20180426 04:25:41<+discordbot1> A tip: you can right-click the Wesnoth server in the left edge of the window, then disable @ everyone and @ here in notification settings. 20180426 04:25:48<+discordbot1> Just did that myself. 20180426 04:26:23<+discordbot1> You can also mute the channel 20180426 04:26:30<+discordbot1> But 20180426 04:26:33<+discordbot1> That’s sad 20180426 04:26:34<+discordbot1> yes, but some of us don't want to do that 20180426 04:26:44<+discordbot1> Because I want to get Wesnoth announcements 20180426 04:26:45<+discordbot1> yes 20180426 04:26:54<+discordbot1> I don’t want other announcements. 20180426 04:26:57<+discordbot1> plugs, however, are annoying 20180426 04:27:01<+discordbot1> Agreed 20180426 04:27:14<+discordbot1> at the very least, we don't need to ping everyone for a plug 20180426 04:27:28<+discordbot1> If i wanted ads, if turn off adblock 20180426 04:27:31<+discordbot1> I feel the same. They can plug if they have to, but yeah... Don't ping everyone 20180426 04:27:40<+discordbot1> @Denivarius Hey, I support you guys with the other projects, but… is this going to be it? 20180426 04:27:57<+discordbot1> Prefer not to get non-Wesnoth stuff in the Wesnoth discord. 20180426 04:28:17<+discordbot1> At least not as a ping, like Yumi said. 20180426 04:31:09<+discordbot1> yeah I don't think we'll spam any more everyone pings with other projects. i mean at least not at a high frequency. If there was another project in like a year or something maybe we'd do it again 20180426 04:31:53<+discordbot1> when Wesnoth is launched on steam we'd probably do an everyone announcement 20180426 04:32:02<+discordbot1> but not a frequent thing. Promise. :) 20180426 04:32:18<+discordbot1> I'm sure Vultraz will do an @ everyone announce because that's what we do for all releases, yeah. 20180426 04:33:03<+discordbot1> We specifically agreed to only use those for releases and high-priority announcements concerning Wesnoth or Wesnoth.org. 20180426 04:33:30<+discordbot1> Thank you 20180426 04:36:51<+discordbot1> How come plugs suddenly popped up? 2 game plug advertisements within a span of a week haha 20180426 04:37:18<+discordbot1> im not complaining and it doesnt bother me, although i think this should be segregated to wesnoth entirely 20180426 04:38:17<+discordbot1> I just feel like im in a hub chillout server with all these partnerships rather than a server about the game lol 20180426 04:38:22<+discordbot1> Well at least it looks cooln 20180426 04:38:31<+discordbot1> yeah 20180426 04:39:30<+discordbot1> Better a game ad than a product placement like a new browser app. 20180426 04:40:09<+discordbot1> well there is always a concern that it will lead to an ad for a new browser app or even more irrelevant/worse 20180426 04:40:14<+discordbot1> like in the future 20180426 04:40:21<+discordbot1> Hmm, true. 20180426 04:40:46<+discordbot1> cuz different game similar to wesnoth, browser ad similar to different game 20180426 04:40:54<+discordbot1> but browser ad not similar to wesnoth zD 20180426 04:44:28-!- DeFender1 [~danf@2601:155:4301:341d:4c80:6c3:8f36:f0de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180426 04:45:00<+discordbot1> we just thought we would let people know about some other games that some people who have developed Wesnoth are also working on is all. 20180426 04:45:48<+discordbot1> Oh well that's cool there's a connection. 20180426 04:46:21<+discordbot1> i suppose you could make a separate partnerships channel if u wanted and put all the games and sponsors in there but i guess thats kind of redundant. Cleaner tho 20180426 04:46:45<+discordbot1> yeah i guess so 20180426 04:46:52<+discordbot1> The main problem was the pings anyway. 20180426 04:47:01<+discordbot1> Fair enough lol 20180426 04:47:13<+discordbot1> im never bothered by pings 20180426 04:47:15<+discordbot1> Putting partnerships into a separate channel wouldn't help with pings. 20180426 04:47:19<+discordbot1> Meh, 5 seconds to check it out. 20180426 04:47:27<+discordbot1> Good points 20180426 04:48:06<+discordbot1> I get like 5 pings a day from spammers and trolls. At least this is useful. 20180426 04:48:29<+discordbot1> i get like 80 a day; im on 86 discords haha!' 20180426 04:48:40<+discordbot1> Bah! 20180426 04:48:43<+discordbot1> xD 20180426 04:48:58<+discordbot1> I limit myself to like 10. XD 20180426 04:49:48<+discordbot1> thats cute, xD 20180426 04:51:15<+discordbot1> Haha, well I'm usually a forum goer but modders I wanted to make concept art for go to discord which I began expanding to art channels. 20180426 04:51:55<+discordbot1> Can I see any of ur cute art? :p 20180426 04:52:25<+discordbot1> Sure, DM okay so I don't clutter the chat? 20180426 04:53:19<+discordbot1> okay 👌 20180426 04:53:35<+discordbot1> humans are so cute... xD 20180426 04:54:35<+discordbot1> I beg to differ. 20180426 05:00:39<+discordbot1> i second 20180426 05:03:57<+discordbot1> im just weird andd schizophrenic xD 20180426 05:04:10<+discordbot1> three d schizophrenia lol 20180426 05:10:48-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 05:20:42-!- discordbot1 is now known as discordbot 20180426 05:49:12-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 06:09:48<+discordbot> "All humans are schizophrenic is what i meant to say lol xD it makes them cute ;3" 20180426 06:21:12-!- gallaecio [~quassel@164.red-79-153-178.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 06:26:30<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure 86?? 20180426 06:27:10<+discordbot> What. 20180426 06:27:42<+discordbot> "i get like 80 a day; im on 86 discords haha!'" 20180426 06:34:51<+discordbot> God, the new UtbS portraits are awesome 20180426 06:35:09<+discordbot> ikr? 20180426 06:35:29<+discordbot> Will we ever see map improvements in mainline? Many UMC does this a lot better than mainline 20180426 06:35:34<+discordbot> Yes 20180426 06:35:47<+discordbot> Maps are...admittedly, one area we neglected 20180426 06:36:08<+discordbot> Every campaign needs better maps 20180426 06:36:29<+discordbot> and I'm honestly disappointed we did not have time to redo UtBS's to go along with the stunning new portraits 20180426 06:36:32<+discordbot> BUT 20180426 06:36:43<+discordbot> that's a 1.15/1.16 target 20180426 06:37:04<+discordbot> AtS/IftU does this really well; if we get the map design on such a level, that'd be great 20180426 06:37:18<+discordbot> I am all for content improvement 20180426 06:38:16<+discordbot> AtS and IftU are high bars to meet 😛 20180426 06:39:46<+discordbot> very high bars 20180426 06:39:49<+discordbot> the highest of bars 20180426 06:40:06<+discordbot> gonna stop before I start sounding like Trump 😁 20180426 07:31:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 08:33:12-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180426 08:51:04-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xcxisqovbuzstfdz] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 09:11:14-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 09:31:32-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-joaucxilxqzzfxfc] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 09:38:57-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-joaucxilxqzzfxfc] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180426 09:39:51-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xcxisqovbuzstfdz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180426 10:21:13-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yhywhkoycuwuvayi] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 10:23:07-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lbkabwgmraqvpsrm] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 10:57:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180426 11:03:26-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mkvctodqnrnloidv] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 11:05:56<+discordbot> I’m excited for the newbies to join in experiencing this game we’ve all beenkplaying for so long 20180426 11:06:18<+discordbot> Both to pvp them for fun but also to teach abt the idiosyncrasies of the game 20180426 11:07:10<+discordbot> Multiplayer, yayyyy ... 20180426 11:08:21<+discordbot> My experience with multiplayer, in a nutshell: 20180426 11:10:16<+discordbot> I mostly play with buddies from my high school who got me into it 20180426 11:10:31<+discordbot> 3 of us vs 4+ AI etc 20180426 11:56:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 14:32:10-!- DeFender1 [~danf@2601:155:4301:341d:4c80:6c3:8f36:f0de] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 14:37:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 14:49:59<+discordbot> Talking about map remastering, I played the new version of Infested caves on Nightmare mode 20180426 14:50:04<+discordbot> Aaaaaaaaand 20180426 14:50:55<+discordbot> The trolls managed to kill the white skellies, the dwarves (or the trolls?) also killed the black skellies 20180426 14:51:11<+discordbot> So I was pretty amazed 20180426 14:51:28<+discordbot> Because I saw on the forums how impossible it seemed in older versions 20180426 15:03:49-!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180426 15:07:23-!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 15:50:21<+discordbot> Wait, you guys don't play multi? 20180426 15:50:32<+discordbot> Are you on the experimental prerelease version or the latest stable one? 20180426 15:50:38<+discordbot> There's lots of players on stable. 20180426 15:56:54<+discordbot> there are about 70 players in the main server right. Central Europe Afternoon 20180426 16:04:29<+discordbot> Ping? 😒 20180426 16:43:11-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-7149-772C-D54C-9A25.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180426 16:48:02-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-4948-3BFA-2DD8-E10F.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 16:55:02<+discordbot> What? 300 ping is fiiiiiiiiine. Kappa 20180426 17:37:54-!- gallaecio [~quassel@164.red-79-153-178.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 17:52:59<+discordbot> Does Wesnoth know about this? 20180426 17:53:04-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lbkabwgmraqvpsrm] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180426 17:53:23<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/439121814552051713/Screenshot_20180426-193740.png 20180426 17:53:24<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/439121815034658816/Screenshot_20180426-195246.png 20180426 17:53:24<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/439121815663673364/Screenshot_20180426-195252.png 20180426 17:53:25<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/439121816166858752/Screenshot_20180426-195229.png 20180426 17:58:00<+discordbot> @Discord Mods The above messages look like spam. Please deal with them. 20180426 18:00:32<+discordbot> I think it's not, they actually use Wesnoth Artwork. 20180426 18:01:21<+discordbot> Ah, okay. I couldn't see from such small screenshots. 20180426 18:02:04-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 18:02:56<+discordbot> It is valid, it's in the adroid app store and actually is not for free. 20180426 18:09:02<+discordbot> So they dont know? Isn't that like stealing? Thought Wesnoth team could actually sue them.. 20180426 18:09:31<+discordbot> They didn’t use our name, which is the part that is actually trademarked 20180426 18:09:41<+discordbot> Sadly because of the way we license our artwork it is unlikely we'd have much legal recourse. 20180426 18:10:54<+discordbot> possibly we could try for a take down notice or whatnot if we decide we feel strongly about it. 20180426 18:11:10<+discordbot> Isn't this like stealing?.. 20180426 18:11:39<+discordbot> Seriously I've played this game for a very long time and I personally feel bad about this.. 20180426 18:11:47<+discordbot> If you are talking about legally, the term is "copyright infringement" which has nothing to do with laws governing stealing ("theft") in most legal systems. 20180426 18:13:04<+discordbot> However, because we license our artwork in a very unclear way it is doubtful we have much recourse. 20180426 18:14:16<+discordbot> I mean, further, it is doubtful there is even agreement in our artist community whether this is something we would want to try and stop. 20180426 18:15:12<+discordbot> Well, too bad then. Btw I want to thank each and every one of you for your work on this game, been here since early beta days and still sometimes play an add-on or online, you have acomplished a very faithfull community that has offered me a lot of friends, keep on doing good work :) 20180426 18:16:01<+discordbot> It was a sad and short-sighted mistake, but Wesnoth uses the bizarre choice of licensing all art under the GPL, and what that even means is incredibly unclear. And for a project like Wesnoth once we've made a licensing choice like that it's pretty hard to change without controversy. 20180426 18:16:22<+discordbot> @anon40 thanks. ❤ 20180426 18:23:46<+discordbot> however, they also seem to be using sprites from Era of Magic, which is licensed under CC 20180426 18:24:22<+discordbot> I mean, it'd be up to inferno8 to go tell them to not do that, I guess 20180426 18:30:06< galegosimpatico> @Elynia#6671 (Yumi) Are you sure EoM sprites are CC? It is on GitHub nowadays, and it doesn't stress very hard in that direction, does it? I find two references to GPL, nothing about CC. 20180426 18:31:15<+discordbot> EoMa 20180426 18:31:54<+discordbot> I'm pretty sure, I asked inferno8 to use a little bit of his artwork and his licensing file said CC last time I checked 20180426 18:32:00<+discordbot> granted it's only BY-SA, not NC 20180426 18:32:35< galegosimpatico> Wait, you are right. You are right. 20180426 18:33:43< galegosimpatico> The catch must be that art is somewhere away of GitHub. That explains why it was so hard to find the EoM art at GitHub. 20180426 18:34:12<+discordbot> a cursory look at the GPL seems to suggest that you can, in fact, distribute copies of the licensed work for profit 20180426 18:35:20<+discordbot> of course, I have no idea how compatible the GPL is with copyright law, but that's for lawyers to figure out 20180426 18:36:07<+discordbot> Being able to resell is an explicit part of Stallman's free software guidelines, if I recall correctly. 20180426 18:36:12<+discordbot> https://github.com/inferno8/wesnoth-Era_of_Magic_Resources 20180426 18:36:41<+discordbot> yes, but is artwork software? 20180426 18:36:43< galegosimpatico> Ahhh. Cool! 20180426 18:37:43<+discordbot> there isn't much meaning to selling software or art 20180426 18:38:11<+discordbot> this is why forbidding it can't be enforced without violating other principles 20180426 18:38:42<+discordbot> you mean in this context? 20180426 18:38:56<+discordbot> like, for an open source project 20180426 18:39:20<+discordbot> for anything 20180426 18:39:27<+discordbot> for open source in particular 20180426 18:39:53<+discordbot> uhm, not sure I"m understanding 20180426 18:40:03<+discordbot> if you're an artist, you want to sell artwork to make a living? 20180426 18:40:25<+discordbot> so you don't want people stealing it and using it for free 20180426 18:40:40<+discordbot> As Dave said, using the GPL for art is sub-optimal and really not what it was intended for 20180426 18:40:58<+discordbot> this is non-sequitur 20180426 18:41:14<+discordbot> I question the very existance of meaning to that expression 20180426 18:41:18<+discordbot> so you can't need it 20180426 18:43:02<+discordbot> well, if you want to go put a copyright strike up against them, I guess it's up to you 20180426 18:48:28<+discordbot> like there's simply no "selling software" or "selling art" in the law 20180426 18:48:52<+discordbot> saying something like that is indicator of lack of training in copyright law 20180426 18:49:02<+discordbot> When you sell software, aren't you actually selling someone a license to use it? 20180426 18:49:30<+discordbot> yes 20180426 18:49:46<+discordbot> but it's basically government granted monopoly 20180426 18:49:53<+discordbot> and monopolies tend to work out poorly 20180426 18:50:05<+discordbot> Normally. If you pay for someone to develop something you might have them assign ownership @ksenia 20180426 18:50:25<+discordbot> in copyright law, it's fair usage 20180426 18:50:32<+discordbot> not "selling stuff" 20180426 18:53:31<+discordbot> The problem with modern copyright law is the extended terms, not the concept 20180426 18:53:41< galegosimpatico> When you sell software, you are selling it, sometimes. Other times that's an abuse of language to mean the software is being licensed. 20180426 18:55:19< galegosimpatico> That's the reason the macOS license starts by making clear `The software is licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. [...]`. 20180426 18:56:05<+discordbot> Right. Actually selling software would mean transferring over the ownership of copyright. 20180426 18:57:12<+discordbot> no, I'm pretty sure its very concept is the problem with copyright 20180426 18:57:33<+discordbot> it's nothing more than instrument of censorship 20180426 18:57:54<+discordbot> in middle ages religious authorities used it to determine what can be printed 20180426 18:58:11<+discordbot> later publishers in britain repurposed it to remove competition 20180426 18:58:33<+discordbot> and rebranded it as "protection of authorship" without changing its nature 20180426 18:58:52<+discordbot> but it'll always be strictly tool of censorship 20180426 19:03:30<+discordbot> I'm supportive of five - ten years post publication copyright at most, to be honest 20180426 19:09:38-!- DeFender1 [~danf@2601:155:4301:341d:4c80:6c3:8f36:f0de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180426 19:22:54<+discordbot> I think 20 is fine. 5 isn't enough to monetize a lot of things 20180426 19:22:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 19:23:15<+discordbot> 50 70 80 is where it gets stupid 20180426 19:23:35<+discordbot> LotR should be public domain 20180426 19:23:39<+discordbot> too short. If we had 20 star wars would be in the public domain. 20180426 19:28:37<+discordbot> And that's a problem why? Ep VII would still be copyrighted 20180426 19:35:19<+discordbot> I dunno. Logically Disney would still be able to make their movies, everyone would watch them...but then what if another studio came along and messed everything up by making their own movie 20180426 19:35:44<+discordbot> then what's Official 20180426 19:37:19<+discordbot> Disney has already messed it up themselves 🤣 20180426 19:37:30<+discordbot> NEIN 20180426 19:38:06<+discordbot> It's actually Disney's fault that it takes so long for it to come to public domain. 20180426 19:38:30<+discordbot> I am aware 20180426 19:38:47<+discordbot> They wanted to keep copyright of Mickey Mouse for as long as they could. 20180426 19:38:57<+discordbot> It's one of those things I don't really care about since I have more important things and they make content I like, so... 😛 20180426 19:40:30<+discordbot> I probably should care 20180426 19:40:42<+discordbot> But like, what if they stopped making star wars 20180426 19:41:14<+discordbot> I'd rather Lucasfilm (under Disney) get to make it rather than... Warner Bros. 😬 20180426 19:46:07<+discordbot> Isnt it 80 years atm 20180426 19:46:17<+discordbot> Of copyright staying 20180426 19:47:33<+discordbot> @Rhike I think so 20180426 19:47:56<+discordbot> @Vultraz people make non-canon SW content as it is. 20180426 19:48:05<+discordbot> well yes 20180426 19:48:12<+discordbot> that's acceptable 20180426 19:48:44<+discordbot> Official depends on who you ask but nothing is gonna to force Disney to honor the storyline from some X-rated fanfic 20180426 19:48:59<+discordbot> fanfiction is fine 20180426 19:49:09<+discordbot> what I'd object to is some competing studio like WB getting their hands on it 20180426 19:49:22<+discordbot> Disney doesn't even honor most of the Star Wars universe. 20180426 19:49:37<+discordbot> it's non-canon 20180426 19:49:43<+discordbot> @Vultraz what's wrong with WB having a shot the universe? 20180426 19:49:56<+discordbot> @pydsigner WB fucked up the DCEU 20180426 19:49:56<+discordbot> They say "This is no longer canon" then re-tell the story with different characters. 20180426 19:50:45<+discordbot> @Vultraz and now Disney can fix that if they want 20180426 19:50:52<+discordbot> Or you could. 20180426 19:56:07<+discordbot> apparently things start going back into the public domain next year, so let's hope Mickster doesn't screw with that 20180426 19:56:49-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 20:16:00<+discordbot> the thing that bothers me about that app is not that they're using wesnoth art, but that they are using the magenta version without team color. now that is a heinous crime indeed. 20180426 20:33:01-!- DeFender1 [~danf@2601:155:4301:341d:4c80:6c3:8f36:f0de] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 20:38:34-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180426 20:39:43-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 21:06:41<+discordbot> and yes, copyright duration in the US is ridiculous... thanks to our corporate overlords 20180426 21:09:40<+discordbot> corporate overlords won't ever allow it to be shortened, unless the alternative will be abolition 20180426 21:09:58<+discordbot> So you'll never be wrong rooting for abolition 😛 20180426 21:11:57-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180426 21:41:43<+discordbot> Our Steam store page is now up https://store.steampowered.com/app/599390/Battle_for_Wesnoth/ You can't download 1.14 yet, but you will be able to starting next week assuming nothing goes wrong 😃 20180426 21:46:45<+discordbot> @Vultraz that page doesn't seem to work for me? 20180426 21:47:00<+discordbot> It doesn't work for me either. 20180426 21:47:50<+discordbot> ..... 20180426 21:47:56<+discordbot> STEAM Y U DO DIS 20180426 21:48:24<+discordbot> I mean, it took a few minutes before it worked for me 20180426 21:48:28<+discordbot> so maybe give it a few more? 20180426 21:49:04<+discordbot> Yeah, it could be a side-effect of their ass-wards caching I guess. 20180426 21:51:40<+discordbot> congrats on bringing wesnoth to steam tho 20180426 21:51:56<+discordbot> ya know 20180426 21:52:03<+discordbot> i was just thinking yesterday 20180426 21:52:11<+discordbot> Oh dear. 20180426 21:52:46<+discordbot> this process started so long ago that if I remember correctly, it was noy with whom I had discussed the greenlight submission fee 20180426 21:53:14<+discordbot> though that might have been a while before it actually got on greenlight 20180426 21:53:22<+discordbot> but I definitely discussed it with noy as some point 20180426 21:53:29<+discordbot> and he hasn't been around for many years 20180426 21:55:28<+discordbot> The talks about it started before 1.12.0 was released if I remember correctly. 20180426 21:55:38<+discordbot> back in 2013 I think 20180426 21:58:49<+discordbot> I don't normally boast, but I think in this case, I can say that without me the Steam release wouldn't have happened. 20180426 21:59:18<+discordbot> How many forum threads were there saying it would be nice to have yadayada 20180426 22:03:42<+discordbot> next step: finish your campaign 😅 20180426 22:05:06<+discordbot> :bhammer: 20180426 22:05:42<+discordbot> no whack me with hammer pls 😦 20180426 22:07:11-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180426 22:08:23-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 22:08:58<+discordbot> Link works fine for me. 🤔 20180426 22:09:21<+discordbot> works for me too 20180426 22:09:34<+discordbot> <Ѕcar> here as well now, just took a while 20180426 22:10:05-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 22:10:48<+discordbot> Yes, link works now 20180426 22:11:04<+discordbot> Can confirm. 20180426 22:12:56<+discordbot> Though I can't find it yet when searching for it using just "wesnoth" in the search function. 20180426 22:13:30<+discordbot> Do upcoming games normally appear on there? 20180426 22:13:57<+discordbot> Yes. 20180426 22:14:06<+discordbot> More caching weirdness probably. 20180426 22:14:41<+discordbot> Remember when on December 2016 they screwed up the caching system and people were able to see each other's private account config pages? 20180426 22:15:16<+discordbot> Or more generally, people were able to see the same page they were trying to browse from a random different session other than their own. 20180426 22:19:04<+discordbot> *2016 or 2015 don't remember which. 20180426 22:20:36<+discordbot> @Vultraz yeah works for me now too 20180426 23:02:08<+discordbot> Link works, but I can't search for wesnoth and find it organically 20180426 23:02:12<+discordbot> @Vultraz 20180426 23:14:11<+discordbot> Again, probably just wait 20180426 23:19:25< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) Annnnd we have our Steam page! Downloads will be available starting next week with the 1.14 update! #gamedev https://store.steampowered.com/app/599390/Battle_for_Wesnoth/ [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/989645147825565696 ] 20180426 23:49:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 23:49:45<+discordbot> Link to the manual on the Steam page seems to be broken. Firefox complains about invalid certificate. 20180426 23:49:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180426 23:50:12<+discordbot> HTTPs cert? 20180426 23:50:17<+discordbot> + 20180426 23:50:36<+discordbot> blah. must be one of those links we never got https enabled for... 20180426 23:50:51<+discordbot> Seems so. 20180426 23:51:59<+discordbot> @shadowm can it be done, or should i make that link http? 20180426 23:52:01<+discordbot> You can use https://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothManual if you absolutely need https. 20180426 23:52:12<+discordbot> Otherwise you need to ask Rhonda directly since she's the one in charge of the certificates. 20180426 23:52:57<+discordbot> You will need to remind me to update the manual on the website for 1.14 though. 20180426 23:53:22<+discordbot> Preferably do so on Monday night. 20180426 23:53:34<+discordbot> ok 20180426 23:55:03<+discordbot> (You also need to remind me to update units.wesnoth.org then.) 20180426 23:55:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180426 23:58:43-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel --- Log closed Fri Apr 27 00:00:39 2018