--- Log opened Sun May 13 00:00:44 2018 20180513 00:24:51<+discordbot> somebody for a game? 20180513 00:38:04-!- gallaecio [~quassel@213.99.45.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 01:40:57-!- octalot [~steve@77.119.128.4.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180513 01:56:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180513 01:57:09<+discordbot> german is so interesting. i wish i had the time and place to learn it. my guess is that i would probably suck at it though :/ 20180513 01:57:15<+discordbot> @IRC - I'm using v1.14.1 20180513 01:58:28<+discordbot> IRC is a bot 20180513 01:58:35<+discordbot> use the username of the person before the message 20180513 01:59:12<+discordbot> besides English (not my native language btw x)) i suck at spanish, french makes me dizy, and my native portuguese uhmmm well i just suck at it as well. so fuck me. i love on all languages are so interesting yet i suck at all of i know xD 20180513 01:59:58<+discordbot> yumii i was always curious. why do those people use the bot and dont just talk in discord? 20180513 02:00:04<+discordbot> like the actual discord 20180513 02:00:34<+discordbot> there must be a legit reason. but i cant imagine any xD 20180513 02:04:12<+discordbot> 'Cause they're dinosaurs 😛 20180513 02:04:20<+discordbot> because some people don't use discord and use internet relay chat instead 20180513 02:07:18<+discordbot> ammmmm. thats quite the least amazing answer i could get xD. well, i didnt expect it to be just that. 20180513 02:07:25<+discordbot> thx for the enlightment 20180513 02:08:10<+discordbot> there could be many reasons for not wanting to use discord, since it's proprietary software that you use under certain conditions 20180513 02:08:39<+discordbot> the protocol for communication over IRC is publicly available, which has that going for it 20180513 02:09:03<+discordbot> uhm 20180513 02:09:03<+discordbot> there are some other reasons, which I don't know the details to (where's shadowm when you need her? 😝) 20180513 02:09:27<+discordbot> ahahahah shadowm pops when u least expect i recon 20180513 02:09:34<+discordbot> but i guess that makes sense 20180513 02:09:59<+discordbot> those are the sort of things a young mind free of worries like me wont ever think 20180513 02:10:20<+discordbot> till i get fucked by one of them._. someday 20180513 02:11:29<+discordbot> so one thing is like if you use discord, the discord people have all the text, images, and whatever you upload into here 20180513 02:11:42<+discordbot> there can be reasons to be concerned about that 20180513 02:12:01<+discordbot> ye 20180513 02:12:17<+discordbot> I mean, they have it anyway if you link up with the IRC bot :P 20180513 02:12:24<+discordbot> Exactly Visage 20180513 02:12:35<+discordbot> sure, I"m just reciting arguments 20180513 02:12:36<+discordbot> some people do value their privacy, and other must keep it 20180513 02:12:50<+discordbot> ahahah 20180513 02:12:56<+discordbot> really ought to have shadowm here before I say things that aren't true -_- 20180513 02:13:04<+discordbot> xD ahahah 20180513 02:13:11<+discordbot> I'll shut my mouth 😂 20180513 02:13:21<+discordbot> life's so hard 20180513 02:13:31<+discordbot> IMO, liking the familiar interface is plenty of reason to stay, particularly if it's modular enough to interface with new forums 20180513 02:13:32<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180513 02:13:57<+discordbot> (forii? fora?) 20180513 02:13:58<+discordbot> also if you're on here, you're probably not too young to start thinking about these things :p 20180513 02:14:05<+discordbot> ^ 20180513 02:14:13<+discordbot> some of us aren't that old either 20180513 02:15:04<+discordbot> I swear there should be legal limits on how much a person should be required to read in terms/conditions/privacy policy when signing up for something 20180513 02:15:20<+discordbot> in the EU there are 20180513 02:15:20<+discordbot> *can be required to read 20180513 02:15:27<+discordbot> idk about US 20180513 02:15:45<+discordbot> Given what I've seen, there's no such limit in the US >.> 20180513 02:16:01<+discordbot> 😂 20180513 02:16:08<+discordbot> us is always something on its on 20180513 02:17:59<+discordbot> ima gonna bet as soon as i leave to bed shadowm will show up 20180513 02:18:26<+discordbot> I just realized that by saying her name so much we will be flooding her IRC account with pings 😬 20180513 02:18:40<+discordbot> oh really? :o crap 20180513 02:18:46<+discordbot> oopsie 20180513 02:18:47<+discordbot> then shadownotm 20180513 02:18:54<+discordbot> problem fixed 20180513 02:19:39<+discordbot> mistakes were made but a fix was created 20180513 02:19:48<+discordbot> glory 20180513 02:19:59<+discordbot> ._. i really should get some sleep 20180513 02:20:07<+discordbot> ._.' 20180513 02:20:15<+discordbot> wouldn't be a bad idea 20180513 02:20:34<+discordbot> these sweet 3:30am 20180513 02:20:44<+discordbot> shadow: other m 20180513 02:21:04<+discordbot> why must i be such a night owl sometimes 20180513 02:21:58<+discordbot> rampimg up the sleep 20180513 02:22:16<+discordbot> making sure i am sleepy enough before i really go 20180513 02:22:35<+discordbot> or else a 1h rolling in bed till sleep comes will await me 20180513 02:23:05<+discordbot> and shadownotm is indeed not here yet 20180513 02:23:16<+discordbot> ammmmm 20180513 02:23:22<+discordbot> bed time i say 20180513 02:24:04<+discordbot> gn everyone. whatever the time xD gn always a gn. 20180513 02:51:35<+discordbot> Hey everyone x-x 20180513 02:52:02<+discordbot> My head hurts from trying to figure out how to do a few campaigns, literally got stuck on three of them 😐 20180513 02:53:28<+discordbot> Anyone home? >3> 20180513 02:54:12<+discordbot> Hello there 20180513 02:55:50<+discordbot> Hey hey ^^ 20180513 02:59:06<+discordbot> Everyone is away at the moment 20180513 02:59:40<+discordbot> It's like a fog of war, I think they're there, just hiding 😛 20180513 02:59:49<+discordbot> Possibly 20180513 03:00:40<+discordbot> I like the game, a lot, it reminds me of Fire Emblem. I've seen it, but this I get to actually play! 20180513 03:00:49<+discordbot> I tell ya though, it's really hard x-x 20180513 03:00:57<+discordbot> I should play more 20180513 03:01:08<+discordbot> I tend to either run out of coin, or have not enough troops. Hard to find a balance. 20180513 03:01:14<+discordbot> I also save-scum a lot ;-; 20180513 03:01:18<+discordbot> Yeah it is hard sometimes but it is still really fun. 20180513 03:01:30<+discordbot> I only have 1 intermediate done 😂 20180513 03:02:36-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-E8F6-BE89-CAEE-5027.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 03:03:01<+discordbot> You... don't get to play Fire Emblem? 20180513 03:03:02<+discordbot> 🤔 20180513 03:03:26<+discordbot> I don't have money, I'm like 15 ;-; 20180513 03:03:44<+discordbot> Fair enough. 20180513 03:06:18<+discordbot> it's completely possible to complete the campaign without good units 20180513 03:07:23<+discordbot> ....lol wrong chat? 20180513 03:07:38<+discordbot> something like that yeah 20180513 03:12:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 03:12:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 04:02:09<+discordbot> BTW, just a small notice to everyone - since Wesnoth is free on Steam, we cannot have trading cards, so that's one feature we won't be adding. 20180513 04:02:27<+discordbot> That might be worth adding to the FAQ. 20180513 04:02:30< celticminstrel> Huh? How does that follow? 20180513 04:02:47<+discordbot> You can sell trading cards on the market. If you got them for a free game.... free money. 20180513 04:03:05<+discordbot> So valve does not allow it. 20180513 04:03:09< celticminstrel> Ah, that makes sense. 20180513 04:03:21< celticminstrel> Wesnoth does have great potential for trading cards though. Oh well. 20180513 04:04:05< celticminstrel> Mind you, I was never expecting to get trading cards for Wesnoth. 20180513 04:04:06<+discordbot> Indeed 20180513 04:04:09< celticminstrel> Only achievements. 20180513 04:07:44<+discordbot> In that case maybe you could be the one to add achievements to Wesnoth. We don't exactly need the Steamworks API to be able to figure out that part and how to track game events to signal achievements. In fact, I'd say it would be highly advantageous to have that figured out before solving the licensing conundrum that API poses (and even moreso if it can't be solved). 20180513 04:08:03< celticminstrel> Indeed. 20180513 04:08:17< celticminstrel> Adding achievements is not on my roadmap ATM but it could be something I work on in the future. 20180513 05:40:05<+discordbot> There are several free games on Steam that have trading cards...Is this a recent thing by Valve? 20180513 05:52:35<+discordbot> No? 20180513 05:53:01<+discordbot> Trading cards have been around for years and years on Steam. 20180513 05:53:21<+discordbot> I know, I'm asking if it was a recent thing that free games weren't allowed to have them, because some free games do have them. 20180513 05:54:09<+discordbot> I wasn’t aware of any restrictions. 20180513 05:54:31<+discordbot> @Vultraz Said earlier: >BTW, just a small notice to everyone - since Wesnoth is free on Steam, we cannot have trading cards, so that's one feature we won't be adding.< 20180513 05:54:40<+discordbot> Hence my confusion. 20180513 06:12:37<+discordbot> Free games on steam generally only give trading cards to players after they pay for something 20180513 06:13:27-!- gallaecio [~quassel@213.99.45.54] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 06:13:43<+discordbot> Ex.: Look at all the games by valve... DOTA 2, TF2 also look at games by that publisher Smite, and that overwatch clone 20180513 06:14:00<+discordbot> That's probably the norm, though a game I have countless hours on doesn't have that option, yet it has cards (America's Army: Proving Grounds). Though they were pretty broken. Still, not barred by Steam, so I dunno. 20180513 06:14:40<+discordbot> Maybe it is a one off game. 20180513 06:14:48<+discordbot> Could be. 20180513 06:59:39-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180513 07:15:21-!- gallaecio [~quassel@213.99.45.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 08:02:07-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 08:26:01-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 08:26:20< hk238> hi 20180513 08:42:20-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 09:01:24<+discordbot> It's a one off thing, that game is literally published by the US Army, per the wikipedia. 20180513 09:14:09<+discordbot> I was wondering if there are any known issues with the 1.14.1a osx release (as of 2 hours prior to this message)? Mine won't launch. I want to check before going on complex investigations of whether my pretty old computer is compatible. 20180513 09:15:23<+discordbot> There isn't any "game fails to launch" known issue. 20180513 09:15:40<+discordbot> Note that Wesnoth requires at least Mac OS X 10.8. 20180513 09:18:36<+discordbot> Ah okay, I've got 10.11.6. It's likely something obscure to my system then. 20180513 09:24:53<+discordbot> Maybe the Steam FAQ should be updated showing the position cards, workshop, leaderboard, etc 20180513 09:25:12<+discordbot> I feel like the question that covers "Why doesn't Wesnoth support Steam feature X?" is only really valid for achievements 20180513 09:26:07<+discordbot> for other features, there are more reasons than just license issues making it difficult 20180513 10:09:21-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180513 10:19:59<+discordbot> Hello everyone 20180513 10:23:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 11:05:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 11:05:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 12:08:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 12:08:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 12:17:51-!- slacky [~yamit@185.219.138.105] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 12:34:10<+discordbot> Hello, nice to meet you all! 20180513 12:57:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 12:57:30-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 13:01:28< slacky> hello 20180513 13:02:10< slacky> BTW, do the people from discord read from IRC? 20180513 13:02:18<+discordbot> yup 20180513 13:02:26< slacky> Purrrfect :-) 20180513 13:12:59<+discordbot> was looking forwards to achievements 20180513 13:17:49<+discordbot> we might still get those 20180513 13:21:31<+discordbot> which is sadder: UtBS epilogue with all your friends dead or Northern Rebirth epilogue with all your friends dead? 20180513 13:22:52<+discordbot> x) 20180513 13:25:03<+discordbot> Hey all 20180513 13:25:08<+discordbot> Installing the game now from steam 😃 20180513 13:25:13<+discordbot> So, quite new 20180513 13:25:28<+discordbot> hi 20180513 13:25:38<+discordbot> Hey! 20180513 13:25:45<+discordbot> Any tips on where should I start? 😃 20180513 13:25:53<+discordbot> at the tutorial of course 20180513 13:26:05<+discordbot> Right! sounds obvious enough xD 20180513 13:26:05<+discordbot> (seriously, it gives you the basics) 20180513 13:27:07<+discordbot> fun fact I still sometimes play it when I'm sad that I suck 20180513 13:27:29<+discordbot> Poor Malin :-( 20180513 13:27:30<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445215499719278592/unknown.png 20180513 13:27:35<+discordbot> (when I think about it it's not a very fun fact for me, but oh well) 20180513 13:27:54<+discordbot> Is that normal that the steam version has so few translations ? The normal (?) one had a lot more... 20180513 13:28:04<+discordbot> It is. 20180513 13:28:19<+discordbot> I think the threshold for displaying a translation has gone up with the last version 20180513 13:28:30<+discordbot> i.e. now it doesn't show the not very complete ones 20180513 13:28:58<+discordbot> ok 20180513 13:29:03<+discordbot> I was going to start with some single player 20180513 13:29:28<+discordbot> Is there gonna be some translations back ? 20180513 13:29:29<+discordbot> how brutal is the multiplayer? I'm semi-scared to jump into it. 20180513 13:29:47<+discordbot> in SP the campaigns are listed with their difficulties, so just choose something described as 'for beginners' 20180513 13:30:14<+discordbot> idk about MP, I'm too scared to jump into it too :D 20180513 13:30:29<+discordbot> but I'm bad at strategy games in general, so I probably don't count 20180513 13:30:37<+discordbot> Never tried the multiplayer either, I like playing alone ^^ 20180513 13:30:50<+discordbot> There are multiplayer maps designed for cooperative play 20180513 13:30:55<+discordbot> like the survivals 20180513 13:30:58<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180513 13:31:38<+discordbot> I've played too much LoL to know the people you're supposed to cooperate with can be toxic as hell too 😃 20180513 13:32:51<+discordbot> There are games with better communities 20180513 13:33:01<+discordbot> I know, but the trauma remains 20180513 13:33:25<+discordbot> So don't play multiplayer? 20180513 13:33:29<+discordbot> 🤷 20180513 13:33:50<+discordbot> Or multiplayer with friends I guess xD 20180513 13:34:01<+discordbot> I'm really happy that single player has support though, since I mainly game single player 20180513 13:35:35<+discordbot> Well, I tried out the official server a few days ago. 20180513 13:35:47<+discordbot> It's different from the bigger games, there is much less anonymity. 20180513 13:36:06<+discordbot> Just because there are only ~50-60 people around most of the time from what I can tell 20180513 13:37:15<+discordbot> Started the tutorial 20180513 13:38:40<+discordbot> good 20180513 13:42:07<+discordbot> wish me luck! 20180513 13:42:55<+discordbot> good luck 20180513 13:44:11<+discordbot> Viel Spaß 20180513 14:26:27<+discordbot> Finished the tutorial 20180513 14:26:36<+discordbot> gj 20180513 14:28:08<+discordbot> hope you like it 😃 20180513 14:37:32-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180513 14:40:15<+discordbot> Lol I'm in the last mission of the Descent into Darkness campaign 'oh okay there's only 3 leaders, that's not too bad' looks around the map 'oh.... there's 3 empty keeps... well this should go splendidly...' 20180513 14:43:10<+discordbot> Mhm, I'm working my way through the campaigns inorder 20180513 14:43:44<+discordbot> and the heir to the throne thingy is a good bit problematic than the ones before. 20180513 14:44:32<+discordbot> er not descent into darkness, secrets of the aincents* 20180513 14:45:18<+discordbot> yeah, Heir to the Throne was designed as the very first campaign iirc. Longer and more difficult than others 20180513 14:45:57<+discordbot> but also pretty good 20180513 14:46:03<+discordbot> imo worth 20180513 14:47:29<+discordbot> Yeah. But I find it to be agood bit of a jump, although its labeled the same as An orcish Incursion and the South Guard (I played both of those as (Normal) , too. 20180513 14:47:49<+discordbot> It is a bit of a jump, yea 20180513 14:48:52<+discordbot> I believe the other 2 you mentioned are more meant as 'hey, let's help you get used to the ropes' whereas Heir to the Throne is like 'you think you're ready for the big leagues boy?' :p 20180513 14:49:00<+discordbot> The first mission that really stood out was one where you start between three enemy castles with liches. 20180513 14:50:04<+discordbot> that one got me good a few times. 20180513 14:52:01<+discordbot> oh yeah, it was pretty dramatic, but I think it was supposed to be 20180513 14:52:08<+discordbot> the next one let you recover a bit afair 20180513 14:52:57<+discordbot> HttT is probably the campaign I abused save-loading in the most. 20180513 14:53:24<+discordbot> Next few were easier again 20180513 14:53:36<+discordbot> I'm now on the second ons that I'm a bit stuck on 20180513 14:54:49<+discordbot> Being down in some Dwarfen tunnels and havin to fight against trolls/orcs and undead (who you need to reach through a lake which your dwarfes cannot really move in) 20180513 15:02:05< celticminstrel> Best units for the lake are merfolk (if you have them) and elvish fliers (hopefully you have some by that time). 20180513 15:02:46< celticminstrel> Merfolk are definitely best since they actually do well on water, unlike everyone else. 20180513 15:03:07< celticminstrel> But I think sylph and shyde do better than other elves. 20180513 15:04:42<+discordbot> Mhm, getting the merfolg there seems complicated. They can move only one cave-field at a time 20180513 15:07:55< celticminstrel> Oh wow. 20180513 16:14:40<+discordbot> is there any type of ranked gamemode? 20180513 16:16:47<+discordbot> there is an unofficial ladder. 20180513 16:20:22-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 16:35:11-!- gfg [~androirc@port-13581.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 16:41:33-!- gfgt [~androirc@port-13581.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 16:43:16-!- gfg [~androirc@port-13581.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180513 16:46:21-!- gfgt [~androirc@port-13581.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180513 16:52:47-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 17:07:33-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 17:10:37<+discordbot> where? 20180513 17:10:43<+discordbot> @Pentarctagon 20180513 17:11:21<+discordbot> http://wesnoth.gamingladder.info/ 20180513 17:14:55<+discordbot> thx 20180513 17:20:06-!- slacky [~yamit@185.219.138.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180513 17:29:04<+discordbot> Btw how did such an amazing soundtrack get made for Wesnoth? I've been listening to it while playing other games 😛 20180513 17:41:21<+discordbot> hah, honestly I found it pretty dull and had to turn it off a long time ago, but to each their own 20180513 17:49:20<+discordbot> Maybe it's just the right kind of dull :p 20180513 17:59:03-!- Guest42046 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 18:02:27-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180513 18:03:46-!- Guest42046 is now known as Haudegen 20180513 18:06:27-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 18:32:39<+discordbot> rip cant use my game 20180513 18:32:43<+discordbot> not sure why 20180513 18:33:22<+discordbot> just comes up with an error box sayying 20180513 18:33:25<+discordbot> --------------------------- Battle for Wesnoth --------------------------- Log relocation failed. Runtime error: Permission denied (13) New log file path: C:\Users\Joshua\Documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.14/logs/wesnoth-20180513-192808-10080.log Old log file path: NUL This may indicate an issue with your Wesnoth launch configuration. If the problem persists, contact the development team for technical support, including the full contents 20180513 18:33:25<+discordbot> of this message (copy with CTRL+C). --------------------------- OK --------------------------- 20180513 18:33:54<+discordbot> this is the steam version so i thought it would work 20180513 18:34:37<+discordbot> It's a known issue: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/2999 20180513 18:35:01<+discordbot> Can you answer shikadiqueen's questions in that thread? 20180513 18:35:12<+discordbot> sure thanx 20180513 18:37:43-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 18:48:25-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:5cb5:5bca:425f:d881] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 19:27:54-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180513 19:29:51-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc05d72.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180513 19:31:10-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc05d72.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 19:31:15-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180513 19:40:09-!- Grickit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 19:44:57-!- Grickit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 19:47:45<+discordbot> What's the main differences between the default ai and experimental ai in multiplayer? 20180513 19:55:45< celticminstrel> Experimental AI uses a different recruiting algorithm. 20180513 19:56:29< celticminstrel> It also has additional logic for switching castles, retreating injured units, taking villages, use of units with poison attacks, placement of healers, and a couple other things. 20180513 19:57:08< celticminstrel> (Oddly the experimental AI still includes the default retreat and village CAs though...) 20180513 19:57:31< celticminstrel> I guess the big thing is probably the better use of poisoners and healers. 20180513 19:57:41< celticminstrel> And perhaps castle-switching if you're playing a map with spare keeps. 20180513 20:11:32< mattsc> @FFA what celticminstrel said; more details here: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Experimental_AI 20180513 20:12:06< celticminstrel> (I said that based on the definition in data/core/macros/ai.cfg FTR 20180513 20:12:08< celticminstrel> ) 20180513 20:14:35<+discordbot> Improved recruiting huh...? Last time I tried Experimental it got undead and recruited one big horde of zombies, and then tried to stole my castle.... :bowman: 20180513 20:14:51-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:5cb5:5bca:425f:d881] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180513 20:15:52-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20180513 20:16:29< mattsc> Well, nobody’s perfect. Constructive feedback is always more than welcome. 20180513 20:19:18<+discordbot> Sometimes the recruiting works out perfectly, but like I have found that for bigger maps experiemental spams just too many scouts. 20180513 20:24:50< mattsc> @AurinkoVuohi Okay; it’s been a long time since I looked into the details of the ExpAI recruiting (and I didn’t write it in the first place). It’s quite possible that things are not balanced well. Or that we might want to add a parameter for tweaking things. 20180513 20:25:27<+discordbot> In the 8player morituri the bot in the middle recruits 3scouts, and then leaves the castle and I were like okay, I dont want you to my team anymore xD 20180513 20:25:49<+discordbot> Ahh, interesting. Thanks, I'll try it out :] 20180513 20:26:24< mattsc> Ideally, esp. if you have an example sace (or several), you could open an issue on the Wesnoth github page. 20180513 20:26:44< celticminstrel> And include a replay if possible. 20180513 20:26:46< mattsc> That’s the best way of actually making sure it’s being noticed. 20180513 20:26:57< celticminstrel> Posting on the forum is probably the next-best way. 20180513 20:27:28< mattsc> There’s a reason why that AI is called Experimental. :) We’d be happy to work on it if we get useful feedback. 20180513 20:27:40< mattsc> Agreed (forum posts are good too) 20180513 20:27:45<+discordbot> Is there a way to change the default Name of Game? 20180513 20:30:00<+discordbot> Right now the default seems to be [User]'s game. It'd be really nice if I could set it to a username instead at the very least. 20180513 20:30:17< celticminstrel> There is no way to do that. 20180513 20:30:33<+discordbot> Welp 20180513 20:30:38< celticminstrel> Though I don't understand how your preferred alternative differs from the current default. 20180513 20:31:03< celticminstrel> And it is just a default, so you can change it each time? 20180513 20:31:44<+discordbot> I'm using a Windows PC and my real name is what gets called right now 20180513 20:33:15<+discordbot> I can change it each time, I just wanted to know if there was an easier way to change it in a hidden config file somewhere or something 20180513 20:33:27<+discordbot> so that way I wouldn't have to change it 20180513 20:34:05<+discordbot> The default is the username you use to log into the MP server. 20180513 20:34:17<+discordbot> The default username is your system username, or "player" if that can't be determined for some reason. 20180513 20:35:29< celticminstrel> ...you're not telling me you actually registered your real name on the forum are you... 20180513 20:36:44<+discordbot> No, I meant default / system 20180513 20:37:14< celticminstrel> It should be using the name you enter in the multiplayer selection screen. 20180513 20:37:30< celticminstrel> Where you choose between "default server", "other server", "hosted game", or "local game". 20180513 20:39:15<+discordbot> Experimental's tactic seems to be to kill all of your friends & units, take your villages and kill your king at the very end.. 🤔 20180513 20:41:01<+discordbot> Like I made test at morituri, 4experimental, and 4normal AI. The experimental at the end were just toying with the last king by killing it's units before actually touching their king in anyway. 20180513 20:43:26<+discordbot> Must. Show. Dominance. 20180513 20:44:36<+discordbot> Ist EAI generally stronger than GAI? 20180513 20:45:39<+discordbot> The experimental won 3 - 0 so I think that it is even a bit stronger :bowman: 20180513 20:54:21-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:00:37-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:02:47-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180513 21:10:06< mattsc> I think back in the day when we did the tests, the Experimental AI has somewhere between 60 and 70% win rate against the default. 20180513 21:11:20< mattsc> We have other experimental AIs that have >98% win rate against the default AI on specific maps (well, one specific map, really), but they don’t do all that well against a human player yet. 20180513 21:11:37< mattsc> All still work in progress. 20180513 21:15:16<+discordbot> And what is that specific map? 👀 20180513 21:16:50< mattsc> The Freelands. 20180513 21:17:23<+discordbot> Thankies =w=)b I'll go try it out!! 20180513 21:17:26<+discordbot> :bowman: 20180513 21:18:10<+discordbot> Separating a land of absolute Default AI from a land of absolute Experimental AI 20180513 21:18:30< mattsc> @AurinkoVuohi It’s in an add-on only so far, because it is … far from perfect so far, to say the least. https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=43048 20180513 21:20:16-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:24:59-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180513 21:31:33-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:32:58-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548547E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:43:11<+discordbot> Theses level 2 ghosts are really rage-inducing 20180513 21:44:42-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180513 21:45:42<+discordbot> Lol the Experimental AI on Freelands vs me right now... we're just playing ring around the rosy with these 3 villages. I go to the free blue, he to the free red left behind... etc. 20180513 21:45:42<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445340875522965506/unknown.png 20180513 21:46:24-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180513 21:47:25<+discordbot> you do it with a more expensive unit, so arguably the AI is slightly better off of this situation 20180513 21:48:12< mattsc> Just in case there is a misunderstanding, the ExpAI on Freelands is no different from the ExpAI on any other map. 20180513 21:49:34<+discordbot> also going 1v1 against someone who will heal each turn and has better dodge will rarely work out well, unless one unit is a lot stronger. 20180513 21:49:55<+discordbot> True. I just found it funny. 20180513 21:50:26<+discordbot> Krecik made a good point though. It is the right move on the AI's part. 20180513 21:50:38<+discordbot> I meant that you have more gold tied up in this part of the map than your enemy, so your enemy is likely to have stronger presence where it actually matters 20180513 21:50:44<+discordbot> Yea 20180513 21:54:49< mattsc> Might be, but you’re giving the AI too much credit if you think it’s doing that for this reason. 20180513 21:55:33<+discordbot> just accept the compliment, damn it :P 20180513 22:00:56< mattsc> Sure. The AI is way more evil and intricate than you would ever imagine! :P 20180513 22:20:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180513 23:21:36<+discordbot> Has multiplayer been more active since the steam release? 20180513 23:22:51<+discordbot> Yes 20180513 23:23:13<+discordbot> We consistently have over 100 people in MP. Which doesn't seem like a lot compared to some other games but for us it is. 20180513 23:44:34-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] --- Log closed Mon May 14 00:00:46 2018