--- Log opened Mon May 14 00:00:46 2018 20180514 00:06:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180514 00:13:00-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@109-61-8-190.adsl-fix.dravanet.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 00:16:21<+discordbot> what was it around before the Steam release? 20180514 00:17:08<+discordbot> was what around? 20180514 00:17:32<+discordbot> # of people in MP 20180514 01:22:26-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180514 01:42:55<+discordbot> 25-30? 20180514 01:56:58<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445404112297918464/image.jpg 20180514 01:57:11<+discordbot> cuuutee!!! 20180514 01:57:33<+discordbot> Hi all whats up? :] 20180514 03:38:42-!- shiki [~Shiki@p548553E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 03:38:42-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548547E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20180514 04:31:27-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180514 04:39:00-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 04:57:26-!- shiki [~Shiki@p548553E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180514 04:59:43-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180514 05:40:59<+discordbot> https://puu.sh/AlQD3/a9290463a1.jpg @mattsc I found a scenario in which the Experimental AI doesn't work. Dark Forecast (Survival) 20180514 05:43:04<+discordbot> The Default AI can recruit normally. Experimental can not. 20180514 05:48:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 05:52:19-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180514 05:56:43-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 06:27:46-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 07:06:03-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180514 07:06:26-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 07:06:27-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180514 07:06:27-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 07:19:49-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180514 07:20:14-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 07:20:34-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180514 07:20:34-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 07:59:04<+discordbot> Someone like to play a party?? 20180514 08:10:48<+discordbot> I found this interesting that the experimental AI takes all of the spots from your castle so you cant recruit anymore 🤔 20180514 08:59:20<+discordbot> Mhm, the "loyal" trait seems to be rreally strong if yyou can get the unit to level up 20180514 09:02:49-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20180514 09:03:18-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 09:08:30< Rhonda> Yes, you need to take care of your loyal units. :) 20180514 09:08:46< Rhonda> At least if you wanna save gold. 20180514 09:12:13<+discordbot> about save gold I never fully understand why t4 t3 t2 units cost more gold to maintain 20180514 09:12:34<+discordbot> shouldnt they rank up to gain a hp/dmg/def bonus as a reward, instead of a curse? 20180514 09:12:57<+discordbot> for example, you spend 3 gold to maintain a 45 output typical lv3 unit 20180514 09:13:36<+discordbot> you make couple of them you are out the game because income gets negative 20180514 09:13:52<+discordbot> one unit, need like 2 villages to maintain its upkeep 20180514 09:13:56<+discordbot> feelsbadman 20180514 09:14:00<+discordbot> 😂 20180514 09:16:18<+discordbot> but this Malthus population dillema really has no solutions to improve 20180514 09:16:46<+discordbot> you end up either with no good frontal units to take focal points defence 20180514 09:17:00<+discordbot> or end up starving with gold on higher tier 20180514 09:30:36<+discordbot> btw guys 20180514 09:30:46<+discordbot> does steam auto update 1.14.1 20180514 09:30:58<+discordbot> Yes, it does. 20180514 09:31:02<+discordbot> cool thanks 20180514 09:32:26< Rhonda> Flameheart: So you don't understand why people get paid more if they are more skilled and valuable for their employer? Interesting. :) 20180514 09:33:06< Rhonda> Welcome to basic capitalism. 20180514 09:33:39<+discordbot> https://imgflip.com/i/2a88z0 20180514 09:46:41< janebot> wesnoth: Campaing on different ERAS (by /u/TheLevirax) https://redd.it/8jb0fe 20180514 09:50:46-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180514 09:50:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 10:01:53-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180514 10:13:08-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180514 10:15:57-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 10:19:05-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 10:19:53<+discordbot> no, I mean they get paid like lv2 for 1.5 gold lv3 for 2 gold might fare better 20180514 10:19:58-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180514 10:20:17<+discordbot> current upkeep is you can never house too many t3 units 20180514 10:20:30<+discordbot> otherwise you gonna need a huge amount of villages to keep this running 20180514 10:20:40<+discordbot> War is expensive mate 20180514 10:31:29<+discordbot> Greetings to everyone. I hope to get some assistance here. I played wesnoth several years ago and i was used to bring it around on usb drive, keeping all saves and related files on that drive. Now, with release of 1.14 i wanted to try wesnoth again, but i got no success in trying to make a portable version. Is it even possible nowadays to force this game to store it's files in its installation folder? Searching on subject turned 20180514 10:31:30<+discordbot> out some linux options, but i'm using Windows, so that isn't very helpful. 20180514 10:33:59<+discordbot> @Kitayozamonk https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=43342 -- see the section on the new user files location for Windows. You might have to create a .cmd file wrapper since I'm told that Windows shortcuts need an absolute path to the executable for some reason. 20180514 10:36:15<+discordbot> @shadowm Great, thanks, will try it out immediatly. 20180514 10:39:31-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-inudocdeeqnjmxsm] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 10:51:35<+discordbot> @shadowm Sadly it only changes "Game data" path and doesn't affect all other paths, i.e. saved games and configuration 20180514 10:52:17<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445538827910512641/unknown.png 20180514 10:53:07<+discordbot> IIRC, the info dialog doesn't show the correct paths when you override them with --userdata-dir. 20180514 10:53:40<+discordbot> Where can i check all command-line arguments for installer?)) 20180514 10:54:38<+discordbot> It should display them @jyrkive since it calls the shared filesystem API functions for those. If it doesn't then please file a bug. 20180514 10:54:39<+discordbot> It's better to check if Wesnoth has generated the subdirectories ("data", "editor", "saves" and "cache") for the directory you specified. 20180514 10:54:58<+discordbot> Also --config-dir is a more convenient shorthand still. 20180514 10:55:03<+discordbot> @jyrkive No, it didn't 20180514 10:55:44<+discordbot> You might want to post the command line you're attempting to use. 20180514 10:56:21<+discordbot> wesnoth-1.14.1-win32.exe --config-dir g:\Games\Wesnoth\userdata 20180514 10:56:51<+discordbot> That's the installer. 20180514 10:57:11<+discordbot> Those options are for the game exe, not the installer. 20180514 10:57:32<+discordbot> Goddamit 20180514 10:57:50<+discordbot> Thx, will try again 20180514 10:58:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 11:04:16<+discordbot> Yes, it works. Thanks for help. 20180514 11:10:34-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 11:45:29<+discordbot> I'm replaying the hardest mainline campaign 20180514 11:45:38<+discordbot> Can you guess what is it? 20180514 11:45:48<+discordbot> SotBE? 20180514 11:46:00<+discordbot> Oh wait. NR on the highest difficulty mode? 20180514 11:47:03<+discordbot> ^ 20180514 11:47:10<+discordbot> NR is hardcore 20180514 11:48:48<+discordbot> also SotBE is easy 20180514 11:49:28<+discordbot> at least you don't have to pain 25 gold for a level 1 scout 20180514 11:49:55<+discordbot> or take 1 hour for your turn 20180514 12:16:27<+discordbot> Northern Rebirth on highest difficulty without losing a single unit? 20180514 12:17:55<+discordbot> Not even sure if it is possible to play it in one sitting. I remember it was a lot of fun, and I think I used to play it after school. 20180514 12:18:43< Soliton> gonna be difficult on the first scenario. after that it's probably doable. 20180514 12:24:57<+discordbot> There is a turn limit, so I can't turtle in my base all day and steal villages with a fugitive. 20180514 12:25:14<+discordbot> (on the second scenario) 20180514 12:53:27-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180514 12:56:06-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 12:59:55<+discordbot> congrats wesnoth devs on your steam debut! 20180514 13:16:19<+discordbot> It's an interesting question though. How much premium is it worth to bundle more stats in a single entitty? 20180514 13:24:20<+discordbot> In a certain way, it has it's cons even. 20180514 13:25:17<+discordbot> A single entity can only be at one place, while having multiple entities let's you work on different tasks at the same time 20180514 13:27:45<+discordbot> On the other hand, the most obvious advantage is that you can continue putting out the full damage of the unit, while you would loose parts of it if it was split up on multiple units and they got damaged. 20180514 13:46:35<+discordbot> hey! i get this error message: --------------------------- Battle for Wesnoth --------------------------- Log relocation failed. Runtime error: Permission denied (13) New log file path: C:\Users***\Documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.14/logs/wesnoth-20180514-154315-11780.log Old log file path: NUL This may indicate an issue with your Wesnoth launch configuration. If the problem persists, contact the development team for technical support, 20180514 13:46:35<+discordbot> including the full contents of this message (copy with CTRL+C). --------------------------- OK --------------------------- The folder it is complaining about is in fact read-only but i can't seem to change that... any solutions? 20180514 13:48:44<+discordbot> It's a known issue: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/2999 20180514 13:48:54<+discordbot> We don't know of any workarounds yet. 20180514 13:48:57-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180514 13:53:29<+discordbot> i got a weird issue if i close wesnoth with alt-f4 or hitting the x about 20% of the time Dominions 5(another game) will run super slow and with super weird broken text renderings 20180514 14:03:17<+discordbot> Can I disable notifications in 1.14? I can't find the option for it now, was in 1.12 I know 20180514 14:04:51<+discordbot> Oh, found it in a better place, Multiplayer tab 20180514 14:05:46< Ravana_> closing wesnoth causes very high disk usage, so if you have no preferences to save, it might be better to kill the process 20180514 14:07:11< Soliton> what is causing that disk usage? 20180514 14:08:06< Ravana_> no idea 20180514 14:08:37< Ravana_> preferences file is nowhere large enough to show such values 20180514 14:14:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 14:17:34< Soliton> might be useful to know. if it has anything to do with saving the cache it might have something to do with the cache corruption on ios. 20180514 14:23:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180514 14:23:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 14:36:36-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-106-17.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180514 15:17:52< mattsc> @FFA Thanks. I confirmed that I can reproduce that. I’ll look into it. 20180514 15:22:45< hk238> thinking about making a faction there's lot to do I guess :D 20180514 15:24:52< hk238> so far what I got worked out is that it'd be an elf faction with slightly altered flavor, at least elf archer and probably scout from default elves would be part of it.. There's this idea of some city, like often times is with the elves, there's some city in the middle of the forests.. But the theme would be that they're sort of associated with a particular city.. There's be some tower in the city 20180514 15:26:16< hk238> which would have to do with magic, one of the modifications would be that the human mage would removed and replaced by an elf mage, neutral in alignment, but at least somewhat similar in other respects.. Names of both the city, the elves and the tower are so far open. There'd be some government building called Glowing palace, that's an imitation of the Icelandic Shining palace 20180514 15:27:42< hk238> then I was thinking the elf fighter would replaced by an elven knight of some kind that would have platemail and two swords and no ranged attack, but other than that I've not been able to figure out what other units there would be, what things there should be about this city, all the names and so on... Gameplay style I was thinking deciding the attributes of the knight type unit would probably 20180514 15:27:59< hk238> be decisive with respect to how you oughta make do with the faction so that's central I guess 20180514 15:28:22< hk238> I'm not sure if anyone is interested in this, but so far I haven't got enough material to move the discussion to the forums to create an initial post 20180514 15:29:14< hk238> so well coming up with the lore about this city is half the work for I feel that the units would follow from having a somewhat sketched out theme 20180514 15:29:56< hk238> so one of the differences then is that you wouldn't have mermen, humans or woses as part of the faction, it would elves and possibly some elven minions of some sort or magical familiars or so on 20180514 15:31:09<+discordbot> Why do the elves have the human mage in the first place? Just tradition from HttT? 20180514 15:31:33<+discordbot> I mean, if it stayed there for balancing-reasons, you could probably do an elvish reskin? 20180514 15:33:58< hk238> the elven faction is called Rebels, they also have mermen and woses 20180514 15:35:04< hk238> overall the factions are directly taken from Tolkien's world which in turn was taken from Norse and Finnish mythology for the most part, with the exception of Drakes 20180514 15:35:27< hk238> that has a bit of an accusing tone I don't mean it that way 20180514 15:38:56<+discordbot> well, I would say that Wesnoth seems to be a bit mor of a big mashup of Fantasy-Tropes (which is not meant negatively). Which are mostly derived from Tolien 20180514 15:40:18< hk238> yeah I mean there's dwarves, which you have in Tolkien's books, which are also in Norse mythology, they have mastery of craftmanship are associated with rocks or something if I recall correctly 20180514 15:41:02< hk238> then there's elves which go together with woses, that's also the case in tolkiens books, although you can't say elves are a direct copy paste from mythology they're clearly influenced by it, I mean there are elves in the myths but they're not similar 20180514 15:41:20< hk238> and then you have loyalists which are like the humans, you have orcs which are from Tolkien 20180514 15:41:56< hk238> and hobbits are in Tolkiens books but I guess the closest corresponding part with them are like the rogue and footpad although the similarity isn't very exact 20180514 15:42:37< hk238> undead are not directly influenced, but you have like ringswraiths, there's ghosts which have a similar kind of feel to them, there's also dark magic 20180514 15:42:56< hk238> so the trinity of humans dwarves and elves being central is very similar to Tolkien 20180514 15:43:17< hk238> which is then more like complemented by those others.. but it's not like there's anything wrong with it I particularly like dwarves and elves 20180514 15:43:42< hk238> but since you were talking about why there's those assocations well that's the reason for the most part 20180514 15:44:29< hk238> elves are associated with woses because that's how they're in Tolkien's books, there's also Gandalf (which is a name of some dwarf in norse mythology by the way, also all the hobbit names are copypaste from Norse mythology) 20180514 15:44:46< hk238> but anyway 20180514 15:47:02-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180514 15:47:12< hk238> there being a human mage among the elves is part of the story line of lord of the rings so I guess that's probably an influencer for why it seems fit for there to be a mage with the elves 20180514 15:47:22< hk238> gandalf that is 20180514 15:47:37< hk238> but it's just a guess 20180514 15:55:27-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20180514 16:08:07<+discordbot> Mhm, I thought it was more because the MP-Factions are more a lift from the first Campaign rather than a representation of their fractions throughout wesnoth-history (the same thing discussed in the thread about the unit descriptions) 20180514 16:10:30< hk238> that's possible certainly I don't know the true reasons, but it seems the similarity is quite high 20180514 16:12:43-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 16:19:20-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 16:46:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 17:00:40<+discordbot> Anyone here who has some working knowledge of the wesnoth lore (especially northerners/orcs?) 20180514 17:14:24<+discordbot> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Timeline_of_Wesnoth 20180514 17:16:04<+discordbot> There is not much canon beyond that. 20180514 17:19:37<+discordbot> but why no dunefolk tho 20180514 17:20:54< Soliton> dunefolk are not featured much in mainline content so far. 20180514 17:21:02<+discordbot> well, I have decided to take out the flashback-missions from my overall campaign to make a very small mini-campaign as a learning experience 20180514 17:21:21<+discordbot> And that flashback is from an orc and tells a tale about orcs, so.^^ 20180514 18:00:25<+discordbot> is anyone having choppier performance in 1.14 than in 1.12? 20180514 18:00:37<+discordbot> tried disabling animated water and map but its choppier anyways 20180514 18:01:14<+discordbot> playing on windows btw 20180514 18:09:50<+discordbot> How can undead counter trolls, including lvl2 ones? Archers? Lvl2 ghosts? 20180514 18:10:02<+discordbot> archers or necros/liches 20180514 18:10:07<+discordbot> pretty much anything ranged 20180514 18:10:22<+discordbot> i would personally use necromancers and lure 20180514 18:11:56<+discordbot> I'm considering a wraith, would that work? It's for an battle between two AIs, so not much tactics involved 20180514 18:12:28<+discordbot> it would work better than skellys 😃 20180514 18:12:55<+discordbot> I'm on Windows 10 and everything seems smooth for me 20180514 18:13:35<+discordbot> i have a potato computer but its really choppy for me :*( 20180514 18:13:39<+discordbot> thanks for the feedback tho 20180514 18:13:42<+discordbot> that 20180514 18:13:51<+discordbot> that's probably your computer then xD 20180514 18:13:53<+discordbot> i think if i fired it up on linux it would be smooth 20180514 18:14:24<+discordbot> mfw in 2018 3rd gen i7 with an HD4000 is obsolete 20180514 18:14:39<+discordbot> :*( 20180514 18:14:42<+discordbot> My setup is pretty overkill as far as this game is concerned 20180514 18:14:42<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445650167677452288/unknown.png 20180514 18:14:57<+discordbot> heh yeah 20180514 18:15:05<+discordbot> i mean my comp should run this 20180514 18:15:12<+discordbot> and i am 90% sure it will run solid on linux 20180514 18:15:28<+discordbot> windows just needs a supercomputer these days D: 20180514 18:15:54<+discordbot> How much RAM do you have? 20180514 18:15:58<+discordbot> 16GB 20180514 18:16:02<+discordbot> lel 20180514 18:16:15<+discordbot> Aight. I figured older hardware so it might be a RAM issue ;p 20180514 18:16:19<+discordbot> running several virtual machines in unison, NP, running a 2D game, ded 20180514 18:16:35<+discordbot> i just dont think wesnoth plays as nice with windows as it does with linux 20180514 18:16:44<+discordbot> Yeah that's probably the case 20180514 18:16:48<+discordbot> curious what others are experiencing tho 20180514 18:17:33<+discordbot> One of my major complaints was that there where more active devs on Windows than Linux and macOS combined this cycle. :p 20180514 18:18:06<+discordbot> is wesnoth not a child of linux? 20180514 18:18:18<+discordbot> i always wondered that 20180514 18:18:26<+discordbot> (macos version is easily the weakest of the trio) 20180514 18:18:58<+discordbot> no blame spread tho... apple is famously hard to work with 20180514 18:19:08<+discordbot> But yeah, as shown here my computer is 100% fine with this game 20180514 18:19:08<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445651283269910538/unknown.png 20180514 18:19:40<+discordbot> heh i have no doubt that ur computer would run it like silk, even if u pulled out ur GTX 950 lel 20180514 18:19:45<+discordbot> xD 20180514 18:19:47<+discordbot> Yeah 20180514 18:19:55<+discordbot> latest generations of intel graphics are pretty nice 20180514 18:20:53<+discordbot> well who knows what damn anomaly it is 20180514 18:21:15<+discordbot> I have an Apple computer that has a dedicated GPU which is comparable to the iGPU of my i3 6100 downstairs, it runs Wesnoth fine too. Only loading times are an issue 20180514 18:21:21<+discordbot> just another urge to drop my windows install and throw on an 18.04 LTS 20180514 18:21:42<+discordbot> my main issue with macos was fullscreen behavior 20180514 18:21:52<+discordbot> especially on retina screens 20180514 18:21:54-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180514 18:22:03<+discordbot> iirc they fixed that in this version 20180514 18:22:05<+discordbot> but that was 1.12 20180514 18:22:06<+discordbot> yeah 20180514 18:22:08<+discordbot> no doubt 20180514 18:22:28<+discordbot> i love everything they did with this version tbh 20180514 18:22:33<+discordbot> Same 20180514 18:22:41<+discordbot> i cant wait to try out some of the lua scripting 😮 20180514 18:22:51<+discordbot> and some more advanced loops!! 20180514 18:23:21<+discordbot> i had some things i wanted to do in a mod that i couldnt do with the limited tools in 1.12 20180514 18:23:56<+discordbot> Also I think the Mac downstairs is from 2008 lol.. 20180514 18:24:25<+discordbot> has an Intel Core Duo 20180514 18:24:45<+discordbot> golden days of mac :p 20180514 18:24:59<+discordbot> i used only mac back then 20180514 18:25:10<+discordbot> Same 20180514 18:25:46<+discordbot> well i guess i need to get an 18.04 LTS up on my secondary drive 20180514 18:25:48<+discordbot> FOR SCIENCE 20180514 18:26:30<+discordbot> and just as a sidenote, idk why but i always took u for a gnu-fan @shadowm 😄 20180514 18:41:19<+discordbot> ahvth i love your profile picture 20180514 18:41:47<+discordbot> i will fight u for i am a clumsy orc yet overpowering 20180514 18:42:08<+discordbot> Is that from era of magic? 20180514 19:14:11<+discordbot> @ahvth Sorry, I don't recognize your name. Perhaps it's been a while. 20180514 19:14:49<+discordbot> Also I do use Linux primarily but only because the alternative is even worse. 20180514 19:19:23<+discordbot> Mhm, seems like some of the bigger publishers (including Valve) may run into some legal trouble in Belgium. 20180514 19:19:40-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-inudocdeeqnjmxsm] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180514 19:20:48-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:98ff:9d4e:d221:edc6] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 19:32:04<+discordbot> you mean with the whole loot boxes thing? 20180514 19:34:31<+discordbot> Yes. 20180514 19:34:37<+discordbot> They released their reasoning now: 20180514 19:34:53<+discordbot> https://www.gamingcommission.be/opencms/export/sites/default/jhksweb_nl/documents/onderzoeksrapport-loot-boxen-Engels-publicatie.pdf 20180514 19:36:53<+discordbot> One interesting point is, that the authorities are of the opinion that platforms where payments are processed would have to be of the same age-restriction as the games themselfes, if paid betting is allowed in games on the plattform (e.g. steam) 20180514 19:38:17<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure yes its from EoMa! 20180514 19:38:19<+discordbot> legacy 😄 20180514 19:38:43<+discordbot> @shadowm you just helped me recover a mods password once, but i peeped ur website thru ur forum link 😄 20180514 19:38:49<+discordbot> or something 20180514 19:39:03<+discordbot> @Elegias wow, that'd hurt Steam quite a bit 20180514 19:40:05<+discordbot> Well, the whole thing is pretty damning 20180514 19:40:16<+discordbot> The key passage would probably be: 20180514 19:40:36<+discordbot> "The paid loot boxes in the examined games Overwatch, FIFA 18 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive fit the description of a game of chance because all of the constitutive elements of gambling are present (game, wager, chance, win/loss). The loot box system in Star Wars Battlefront 2 prior to the official release of the game also fits this definition, but this is no longer the case today. [...] The examined games with paid loot boxes 20180514 19:40:37<+discordbot> such as those that are currently being offered and operated in Belgium violate the Gaming and Betting Act and can be criminally prosecuted." 20180514 19:42:32<+discordbot> I remember years ago there I wanted some Strange type weapon in TF2, which was only available through loot boxes. Then I looked at the odds of getting anything I even remotely wanted on the wiki, and realized how stupid it was. 20180514 19:42:59<+discordbot> Just finished the two brothers campaign 20180514 19:43:04<+discordbot> fucking sweet. Loving this game. 20180514 19:43:05<+discordbot> bought a few hats though 20180514 19:43:07<+discordbot> 😄 20180514 19:43:11<+discordbot> Hehe 20180514 19:44:16<+discordbot> Well, this could become a problem for the business model. Belgium is not that big, but is a member of the EU (which is the 2nd biggest market worldwide) 20180514 19:44:38<+discordbot> jeez could ubuntu ruin their distro any more 20180514 19:44:55<+discordbot> just want to test the steam version of wesnoth on ubuntu 20180514 19:45:02<+discordbot> 2 failed installations 20180514 19:45:09<+discordbot> 1 broken installation 20180514 19:45:16<+discordbot> and now steam doesnt install correctly from the official .deb package 20180514 19:46:00<+discordbot> used opensuse, debian, arch, fedora, AND ubuntu, and i thought these days of suffering were over!! 20180514 19:46:22<+discordbot> continues waiting for Mint 19 20180514 19:46:26<+discordbot> 😛 20180514 19:46:27<+discordbot> smart 20180514 19:46:36<+discordbot> i went back to winblows anyways 20180514 19:46:41<+discordbot> this only justifies my move back 20180514 19:48:32<+discordbot> I dunno, I've never had any problem installing things. 20180514 19:48:46<+discordbot> Though I think there might be a Snap package for Steam now? 20180514 19:49:11<+discordbot> yeah youre correct 20180514 19:49:26<+discordbot> but snap is just gonna be another half-baked tech that canonical abandons 20180514 19:49:32<+discordbot> and leaves adopters hanging 20180514 19:49:44<+discordbot> i guess its adequate for a test tho 20180514 19:49:45<+discordbot> 😃 20180514 19:50:36<+discordbot> snaps are what they're using for their IoT software and such though, which makes them a lot more money than the desktop, so I could see them sticking with it. 20180514 19:51:03<+discordbot> canonical iot platform >.< 20180514 19:51:12<+discordbot> thats such a crowded territory 20180514 19:51:16<+discordbot> im not hating though 20180514 19:51:30<+discordbot> but im pretty sure aws has already won in that space 20180514 19:51:34<+discordbot> and theyll get followed my MS 20180514 19:51:39<+discordbot> but i dont wanna go OT 😄 20180514 19:54:22<+discordbot> I mean, this is discord, there really isn't a topic. 20180514 19:54:45<+discordbot> fair enough 20180514 19:55:04<+discordbot> but yeah i dont think snap has much of a place in the market as a container platform 20180514 19:55:10<+discordbot> im open to corrections 20180514 19:55:24<+discordbot> but docker/kubernetes are the only serious container technologies i know of 20180514 19:56:11<+discordbot> i think appimage has done cross platform app packaging better than anything else 20180514 19:56:37<+discordbot> cross-distro 20180514 19:57:25<+discordbot> I don't think docker and snaps are aiming for the same thing, really. I'd expect it'd be more along the lines of being able to install snaps inside a docker image. Is it possible to have a snap of an entire OS? 20180514 19:57:40<+discordbot> i dont think so 20180514 19:57:47<+discordbot> i think its just applications 20180514 19:58:19<+discordbot> but idk why youd need a snap of an application inside a docker ubuntu 20180514 19:58:35<+discordbot> when you could just have say an azure VM with a bunch of services running in docker images 20180514 19:59:59<+discordbot> But what if I want to install a snap of Wine on a ubuntu docker image and run it through the WSL? 20180514 20:00:09<+discordbot> 😄 20180514 20:00:20<+discordbot> ahvth thats my favorite addon 20180514 20:00:35<+discordbot> OuO 20180514 20:00:42<+discordbot> @Pentarctagon so meta :)))))) 20180514 20:00:57<+discordbot> Lol meta mirage :3 thats my name! 20180514 20:01:22<+discordbot> I wrote a gleaming recommendation of wesnoth on steam, and I naturally had to include era of magic in it 20180514 20:01:27<+discordbot> ! 20180514 20:01:27<+discordbot> they do AMAZING work 20180514 20:01:51<+discordbot> yeah They follow KISS principle lol xD 20180514 20:02:03<+discordbot> they started out with having chrono trigger sprites and improved from there 20180514 20:02:24<+discordbot> 💋 20180514 20:02:35<+discordbot> its amazing how far theyve come 20180514 20:02:47<+discordbot> the newest versions are... breathtaking 20180514 20:03:06<+discordbot> lol x) i havent tried them yet but i must because this is turning me on! 20180514 20:03:13<+discordbot> >.> 20180514 20:03:16<+discordbot> x) 20180514 20:03:19<+discordbot> Sounds really epic 20180514 20:03:29<+discordbot> lets just put it this way 20180514 20:03:49<+discordbot> they have 3d rendered animations 20180514 20:03:54<+discordbot> spriteified obviously 20180514 20:03:56<+discordbot> !!! 20180514 20:03:57<+discordbot> for lack of better words 20180514 20:04:11<+discordbot> if anyone knows the industry name for that btw 20180514 20:04:14<+discordbot> id love to know it 20180514 20:04:18<+discordbot> Im excited OwO 20180514 20:04:25<+discordbot> "spriteifying" 3d models 20180514 20:04:25<+discordbot> gotta try right after i get home 20180514 20:05:50-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 20:06:58-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180514 20:07:06<+discordbot> my fave fac is destroyers btw 20180514 20:07:15<+discordbot> for Eo(Z)Ma 20180514 20:10:22<+discordbot> sky kingdom here 20180514 20:10:32<+discordbot> as my avatar might indicate 20180514 20:12:47<+discordbot> so... yes... 20180514 20:12:49<+discordbot> as i expected 20180514 20:13:05<+discordbot> the performance issues experienced on windows are not present in linux, on a much older laptop 20180514 20:13:33<+discordbot> idk if its a clock speed issue, an issue with audio processing, or what... 20180514 20:14:15<+discordbot> but a 3rd gen i7 is having a harder time running wesnoth smoothly on windows than a core 2 duo on linux mint 20180514 20:14:43<+discordbot> if there is anything productive i can do with this information, please let me know 20180514 20:16:38<+discordbot> i did notice that the advanced audio for sample rate/buffer were removed in 1.14 (maybe 1.13), and i did need to modify that in 1.12 to get it to run smoothly on windows 20180514 20:17:18<+discordbot> i tried to insert the option into the preferences file manually, but im not sure to what extent the options have been deprecated 20180514 20:23:06-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:98ff:9d4e:d221:edc6] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180514 20:25:52< Ravana_> my favorite is Tharis 20180514 20:26:38< Ravana_> I keep it slightly stronger in ageless than EoMa does for that reason 20180514 20:28:26<+discordbot> @ahvth have you paid attention to task manager to see if a particular part of the computer might be the source of the issue? 20180514 20:29:06<+discordbot> i dont think its likely that any process is interfering with wesnoth 20180514 20:29:16<+discordbot> my finger is on the audio atm 20180514 20:29:46<+discordbot> Well it might be helpful to know if the CPU is going to 100%, or the GPU, etc. 20180514 20:30:02<+discordbot> oh the cpu is not running maxed 20180514 20:30:29<+discordbot> and i can browse the web lightning smooth or watch hd videos with no frame drops on my second monitor 20180514 20:30:33<+discordbot> sound_buffer_size=1024 20180514 20:30:48<+discordbot> on 1.12 i had similar hiccups until i set this ^ 20180514 20:31:02<+discordbot> but afaik this option has been deprecated in 1.14 20180514 20:31:14-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 20:31:47<+discordbot> at the end of the day i will probably have to accept that realtek drivers are crap compared to pulseaudio 20180514 20:32:08<+discordbot> which in itself is hilarious because usually everyone says pulseaudio is the worst 😄 20180514 20:32:13-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548553E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 20:32:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 20:35:16<+discordbot> honestly it seems like a lot of the hate for pulseaudio is only because of who created it 20180514 20:36:28<+discordbot> hehe on my end its just a meme i heard a million times 20180514 20:36:42<+discordbot> drilled so hard into my head that i actually believe it 😄 20180514 20:37:37<+discordbot> i never had a problem with pulseaudio, in fact afaik its kinda the only viable sound server for modern linux 20180514 20:38:06<+discordbot> i dont think firefox can interface with ALSA anymore 20180514 20:39:24<+discordbot> I've had a couple problems with it recently - first login through firefox into discord screws up the audio until I restart pulseaudio, and its default configuration can't handle 48k sound well at all - but otherwise I've had no issues the last couple years. 20180514 20:40:01<+discordbot> hm sounds like firefox is being picky too 20180514 20:40:50<+discordbot> did a lot of discord VC with the desktop app on pulseaudio, and i never had issues 20180514 20:41:09<+discordbot> pulseaudio really only ever came up as lacking for me when playing around with a midi keyboard 20180514 20:41:34<+discordbot> ALSA is the gold standard for low-latency 20180514 20:42:11<+discordbot> if i remember correctly, during my years using ableton live on macos, ALSA was always the go-to sound server 20180514 20:43:12<+discordbot> I'm fairly sure it's a kernel issue, somehow. Using a slightly older kernel(because I used to be using an nvidia card and didn't want to bother with the whole dkms recompiling) and discord caused no issues. 20180514 20:44:09<+discordbot> sound card-kernel parity being the root cause wouldnt surprise me at all 20180514 20:46:30<+discordbot> just to be a pain... did u patch for meltdown/spectre 😉 20180514 20:48:31<+discordbot> Well, I'm using a ryzen, so that covers the first one 😛 20180514 20:48:51<+discordbot> not sure how to tell the second one 20180514 20:50:47<+discordbot> if (c->x86_vendor != X86_VENDOR_AMD) setup_force_cpu_bug(X86_BUG_CPU_INSECURE); 20180514 20:50:51<+discordbot> AMD burn 😄 20180514 20:50:57<+discordbot> intel btfo 😄 20180514 20:51:34<+discordbot> my assumption so far is that it's not something that I as a random internet person needs to worry about, and it'll be covered when I upgrade to Mint 19 in a month or so anyway 20180514 20:52:08<+discordbot> yeah i was just being a bit playful hehe. absolutely no doubt that mint 19 will ship with a kernel with mitigation in by default 20180514 21:24:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180514 21:34:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 21:51:48-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180514 22:08:56<+discordbot> ahhh im on the bus and will get home in 45 minutes.. im so excited to try the new EoMa!! 20180514 22:09:48-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 22:10:42<+discordbot> Were they done for all the factions?? OwO 20180514 22:11:04<+discordbot> huh that's my first time seeing that face in the wild 20180514 22:11:23<+discordbot> Lol it is sincere.. :) 20180514 22:11:31<+discordbot> Ouo 20180514 22:16:31-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20180514 22:49:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180514 22:52:28-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 22:53:50<+discordbot> I'm finally home!! Time to try EoMa now... OuO 20180514 23:02:01-!- ibal [59aee4e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.174.228.227] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 23:02:51-!- ibal [59aee4e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.174.228.227] has quit [Client Quit] 20180514 23:05:20-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180514 23:19:39<+discordbot> Is there a reason I can't put mods on Campaigns even though there's the dropdown for it? 🤔 20180514 23:21:05<+discordbot> Went to multiplayer and back to the main menu, the dropdown unlocked itself. Tried 'Spoils of War' and got this message: 20180514 23:21:05<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/445727264051822593/unknown.png 20180514 23:21:27<+discordbot> uhhhhhh 20180514 23:21:28<+discordbot> 🤔 20180514 23:21:30<+discordbot> oh dear 20180514 23:21:51<+discordbot> @FFA well, to start, you need type=sp or type=hybrid for them to appear in SP 20180514 23:23:47<+discordbot> Ah 20180514 23:28:30<+discordbot> It'd be nice to have that indicated in the add-ons menu 20180514 23:34:26<+discordbot> Like right now, I have absolutely no way to tell what mods are multiplayer only and which are hybrid or sp 20180514 23:34:58<+discordbot> only way I can possibly find out is by downloading them all.... =/ 20180514 23:37:41< Ravana_> assume everything is mp only by default 20180514 23:46:56-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC67E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180514 23:47:41<+discordbot> though what you said about MP does raise an interesting problem 20180514 23:47:51<+discordbot> which i shall need to verify... 20180514 23:50:32-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.176.171.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180514 23:53:54<+discordbot> Unity Magic said it works with Campaign so I got that working. 20180514 23:54:44<+discordbot> Do note that at the time Spoils of War was the only modification add-on installed @Vultraz 20180514 23:54:45-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180514 23:54:54<+discordbot> what is its type? 20180514 23:55:30<+discordbot> Uh... idk 20180514 23:55:44<+discordbot> I'd assume mp 20180514 23:57:56< celticminstrel> Yay for assumptions? --- Log closed Tue May 15 00:00:47 2018