--- Log opened Sat May 19 00:00:16 2018 --- Day changed Sat May 19 2018 20180519 00:00:16-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 00:06:17<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/447188188612788224/image.png 20180519 00:06:21<+discordbot> Ahh sent picture to wrong server, sorry! :p 20180519 00:07:16<+discordbot> What did you send? 20180519 00:07:26<+discordbot> If you don't mind me asking. 20180519 00:07:33<+discordbot> If you don't wanna share, I understand. 20180519 00:07:42<+discordbot> I sent a picture of a Japanese girl model/jpop singer 20180519 00:07:50<+discordbot> xD 20180519 00:08:40<+discordbot> i probably didnt have to remove it, it was perfectly appropiate 20180519 00:09:25< celticminstrel> Ah, that's why I got an access denied. *shrug* Doesn't matter, not that interested anyway. 20180519 00:09:54<+discordbot> Yeah shes cute :p 20180519 00:10:02< celticminstrel> I'll take your word for it then. 20180519 00:10:10<+discordbot> Should I resend? :P 20180519 00:10:30< celticminstrel> Nah. 20180519 00:14:07<+discordbot> But yeah anyway I meant to send it to my friend's hangout server where we talk about our personal lives etc. xD 20180519 01:07:01<+discordbot> @AurinkoVuohi @TBW @Bitron @Vultraz @Symbicort I saw your discussion about having moreoptions for alliances - That already exists, when you uncheck use map sezttings you are completely free in that regard 20180519 01:08:18<+discordbot> (An exception are ~3 maps where you can't uncheck them, for good reasons. E.g. Dark Forecast) 20180519 01:38:55<+discordbot> Does anyone know how playable is LotI on 1.14? 20180519 01:39:46<+discordbot> Are the bugs reasonably infrequent? 20180519 01:47:11<+discordbot> No idea 20180519 01:47:31<+discordbot> It’s the author’s responsibility to ensure that is the case 20180519 01:49:53<+discordbot> Yes, I understand it. 20180519 02:21:46-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-59B5-3E3D-30E-9B72.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180519 02:26:03-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-2DA6-70FA-6403-8CB3.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 05:01:10-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180519 05:20:01-!- celmin|sleep [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180519 06:01:33-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 07:14:33<+discordbot> @sevu Okay, thanks :-* :-) 20180519 08:03:24-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 08:33:31<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/447315851314593792/image.jpg 20180519 09:46:54-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 10:47:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 11:34:17-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180519 11:34:38-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 12:02:52<+discordbot> Why does Wesnoth 1.14.1 have glitches in unit team colouring? 20180519 12:10:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 12:10:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 12:15:54-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 12:16:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 12:16:04-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180519 12:20:57<+discordbot> how so? 20180519 12:46:28-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 12:46:30< hk238> hi 20180519 12:56:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 12:56:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 13:46:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180519 14:00:11-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 14:16:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 14:16:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 14:38:33-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ryjxuqjjlgcghxkd] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180519 14:47:48-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rmbgskvractlgoid] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 15:02:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212095005065.public.telering.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 15:50:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212095005065.public.telering.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180519 16:08:15-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 16:36:47-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180519 16:45:18<+discordbot> can someone link me to some sprite sources? i keep seeing sprites being used in eras and campaigns and such 20180519 16:45:22<+discordbot> free-to-use stuff 20180519 16:45:29<+discordbot> (of course, with crediting the author) 20180519 16:45:45<+discordbot> i try looking on the forums and google searching but i dont find anything 20180519 16:45:49<+discordbot> i dont know where to look 20180519 16:47:20<+discordbot> you mean for mainline, or add-ons? 20180519 16:47:31<+discordbot> add-ons 20180519 16:48:14<+discordbot> i know mainline is free to use as far as i know 20180519 16:48:26<+discordbot> (its for a campaign i want to work on) 20180519 16:49:00<+discordbot> for example i see eras and add-ons having the Aragwathi faction, and i want to know where to find sources for free-to-use sprites for making campaigns/eras/factions 20180519 16:49:10<+discordbot> everything is free to use 20180519 16:49:17<+discordbot> even from add-ons? 20180519 16:49:22<+discordbot> i thought you have to ask the authors first 20180519 16:49:46<+discordbot> all content on the official add-ons server is either under the GPL, or a Creative Commons license 20180519 16:50:01<+discordbot> just the current 1.14 one? or even older ones that didnt get ported yet 20180519 16:50:27<+discordbot> for 1.12 and older, everything is under the GPL 20180519 16:50:45<+discordbot> so that means that everything from 1.12 and older is free to use no matter what? 20180519 16:50:53<+discordbot> and everything later, well, you gotta ask the author? 20180519 16:51:42<+discordbot> no 20180519 16:51:46<+discordbot> i think i have asked before about sources for sprites but i dont know where to look and im a bit insecure about the copyright 20180519 16:51:49<+discordbot> you never have to ask the author 20180519 16:51:53<+discordbot> everything from any version is free to use. the only thing different you'd need to check for 1.14 is whether the add-on specifies it uses the CC ND license, in which case you can still use but can't modify. 20180519 16:52:12<+discordbot> and where do i check the copyright? 20180519 16:52:19<+discordbot> i dont see it on the add-on page in-game 20180519 16:52:41<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnoth:Copyrights#User_Made_Content_-_Visual_and_Audio_Content 20180519 16:53:03<+discordbot> a combined toplevel file, e.g. "add-ons/My_Addon/ART_LICENSE" a file in the same folder as the asset with ".license" appended, e.g. "add-ons/My_Addon/images/units/axeman.png.license". 20180519 16:53:16<+discordbot> ah 20180519 16:53:36<+discordbot> so, pretty much what i do is download an add-on and see the license it has 20180519 16:53:45<+discordbot> and if the art license is GPL or CC, i can use the sprites 20180519 16:53:52<+discordbot> like, even without asking 20180519 16:53:59<+discordbot> yes 20180519 16:54:14<+discordbot> though if the license is anything else, it should be reported so the add-on can be removed 20180519 16:54:23<+discordbot> And if the add-on doesn't explicitly specify a license, it's GPL. 20180519 16:54:26<+discordbot> ah, so it is mandatory to make the assets able to be used by others 20180519 16:54:52<+discordbot> and even in the case that it doesnt mention, it still is not needed to ask the author right? again, i dont want to bother an author by using their sprites without asking first 20180519 16:55:07<+discordbot> you don't need to get permission. 20180519 16:55:15<+discordbot> you do need to credit them, though 20180519 16:55:20<+discordbot> of course, i will credit 20180519 17:02:38<+discordbot> alright so i found an example, the Imperial Era add-on 20180519 17:03:03<+discordbot> i checked the license in the COPYING file and it's GNU General Public License version 2 20180519 17:11:08-!- ani- [~molgrum@unaffiliated/molgrum] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 17:11:27< ani-> hello 20180519 17:19:12<+discordbot> hi 20180519 17:24:44-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 17:38:55<+discordbot> << 20180519 17:38:56<+discordbot> >> 20180519 17:39:01<+discordbot> Someone said Imperial Era? 20180519 17:40:40<+discordbot> yeah 20180519 17:40:49<+discordbot> i was asking about copyright 20180519 17:41:43<+discordbot> IE is GPL, so go right ahead but give credit to the artist, which is almost certainly turin. 20180519 17:42:12<+discordbot> for every faction? 20180519 17:42:18<+discordbot> For almost all of them, yes. 20180519 17:42:23<+discordbot> exceptions? 20180519 17:42:44<+discordbot> There are a couple of exceptions, which I don't know off the top of my head, but I have them written around here someplace... 20180519 17:42:50<+discordbot> mk 20180519 17:42:51<+discordbot> technically you never have to ask the author/artist about permission for using artwork, but especially if they are still around, many of us still prefer you ask 20180519 17:43:09<+discordbot> turin is not around, though, and is happy for folks to use his stuff. 20180519 17:43:10<+discordbot> yeah, i dont want to be rude, thats why i ask more than once about it, i really want to know what to do 20180519 17:43:24<+discordbot> right, if they're not around anymore, then I guess you have no choice 20180519 17:43:29<+discordbot> ill still credit tho 20180519 17:45:42<+discordbot> Do let me know what you want to use, I can track don't who made it if you like. 20180519 17:45:47<+discordbot> *down 20180519 17:46:02<+discordbot> mk 20180519 17:46:03<+discordbot> This is for the IE specifically, don't know about anything non-Orbivm. 20180519 17:46:16<+discordbot> atm i wanna use the lavinians 20180519 17:46:33<+discordbot> Yeah, all the Lavinians are turins 20180519 17:46:34<+discordbot> im looking to make a human faction based off the romans, medieval europe, greeks and the byzantines combned 20180519 17:46:35<+discordbot> *combined 20180519 17:46:44<+discordbot> and IE has good roman models 20180519 17:47:04<+discordbot> Truly we are blessed. 20180519 17:47:11<+discordbot> ? 20180519 17:47:37<+discordbot> so those are from turin? 20180519 17:47:54<+discordbot> yes 20180519 17:48:15<+discordbot> k, any other Orbivm works that i need to know about that have good sprites used in them? 20180519 17:48:30<+discordbot> i may check em out and see if i want to use something 20180519 17:50:09<+discordbot> Lavinians are the best by a long way. There's some OK work in the Feudal Era, which I haven't ported to 1.14 yet. 20180519 17:51:08<+discordbot> ooh, Feudal Era seems nice 20180519 17:51:26<+discordbot> who made the sprites for those? 20180519 17:53:13<+discordbot> Ceresians/Kedari are mostly Turin. The Arigwaithi are Wayfarer's, I believe. 20180519 17:53:56<+discordbot> Not sure about the other factions. 20180519 17:54:05<+discordbot> i know Aragwathi was used in Invasion from the Unknown i believe 20180519 17:55:00<+discordbot> you can use that as reference too 20180519 17:55:01<+discordbot> to find the author 20180519 17:55:37<+discordbot> Yes, they were one of the early UMC factions and they were used in all sorts of places. The issue is that their sprites went through so many iterations that I'm not 100% sure which ones I have. 20180519 17:55:45<+discordbot> oh 20180519 17:55:58<+discordbot> and iterations, you mean, adaptations by various artists? not just one? 20180519 17:56:26<+discordbot> I am pretty sure that is the case, yes. If you search Arigwaithi in the forums you can probably find the art threads for them. 20180519 17:56:36<+discordbot> ah 20180519 17:56:41<+discordbot> alright 20180519 17:57:20<+discordbot> alright, well, if anyone happens to know who made the sprites for the other factions in the Feudal Era as well as the sprites from...uh...wait i think i forgot 20180519 17:57:27<+discordbot> no wait, i remember, the Rulers of Irdya 20180519 17:57:37<+discordbot> as in, the one with more promotions for units 20180519 17:58:06<+discordbot> or the Reign of the Lords era, dunno where they come from 20180519 17:58:12< celticminstrel> @VYNLT @Pentarctagon - It's still polite to ask first though, particularly for sprites intended for a unique unit rather than a generic unit. 20180519 17:58:28<+discordbot> im looking for generic units atm 20180519 17:58:36<+discordbot> So for the Orcish Khaganates you can probably find the details in the forum if you search for 'steppe orcs'. 20180519 17:58:45< celticminstrel> Well, it's also not always obvious which sprites are unique and which are generic. 20180519 17:58:51<+discordbot> ah 20180519 17:58:57< celticminstrel> For example, the elvish mystic line from IftU and AtS? 20180519 17:59:17< celticminstrel> Or something like it, I forget the exact name. 20180519 17:59:29<+discordbot> The High Elves look like early Turin work, but I'm not sure about that. Since I don't really do anything with the FE I haven't bothered to look into it in detail. 20180519 17:59:35< celticminstrel> But in IftU, the unit line is for a unique character, and shadowm would prefer people not use it. 20180519 17:59:37<+discordbot> its not too hard for me to tell whats a hero and what is a generic unit 20180519 17:59:52<+discordbot> i can just look it up in the files and see who it's meant to be for 20180519 17:59:53< celticminstrel> Whereas the one in AtS is a generlic line and she doesn't mind it being used. 20180519 17:59:57< celticminstrel> Sure. 20180519 18:00:14<+discordbot> atm what i mentioned are just generic units 20180519 18:00:18<+discordbot> as far as i know at least 20180519 18:05:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 18:11:07-!- f-a [~f-a@151.48.29.23] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 18:11:15< f-a> is there a way to skip turns while spectating? 20180519 18:11:40< Ravana_> no 20180519 18:14:17< f-a> thanks 20180519 18:22:06< celticminstrel> You can speed it up at least? 20180519 18:22:20< celticminstrel> Or wait, that's for the replay, not spectating in general... 20180519 18:25:10<+discordbot> you can put it on accelerated speed though 20180519 18:25:45< celticminstrel> Pretty sure there's a way to make it skip moves too, like "Skip AI Moves" but for everyone. 20180519 18:25:55< celticminstrel> That might be the "Quick Replay" option? 20180519 18:35:07< f-a> thanks 20180519 18:35:13< f-a> is there a way to change colour midgame? 20180519 18:35:54< f-a> the one I choose clashes with "the wave" (survival) 20180519 18:36:05-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:29d8:1ad5:8780:274c] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 18:38:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180519 18:40:45< Ravana_> only with remote code execution access 20180519 18:47:15< celticminstrel> Colour? 20180519 18:47:23< celticminstrel> Like side colour? 20180519 18:48:03< celticminstrel> It's possible to change side colours in a scenario/campaign, but that's part of the coding, there's no way for a player to arbitrarily change their own colour. 20180519 18:48:16< f-a> thanks, celticminstrel 20180519 18:48:19< celticminstrel> But I guess that does mean it'd probably be possible to make an addon that adds this functionality. 20180519 18:49:02< f-a> celticminstrel: there is little problem, just confusion on the minimap 20180519 18:49:37< celticminstrel> You can't set the colour of "the wave" in the game creation screen, I guess? 20180519 18:49:55< celticminstrel> The same screen where you set your own colour. 20180519 18:50:04< Ravana_> for orocia I set wave color to first unused color out of list https://github.com/ProditorMagnus/OrociaRandomMod/blob/master/lua/helper_functions.lua#L17 20180519 18:50:13< celticminstrel> Depending on the scenario it may be possible for the host to change the colours for AI sides. 20180519 18:50:56<+discordbot> soo...who made the sprites for Reign of the Lords? 20180519 18:51:11<+discordbot> as in, the one with added evolutions and such 20180519 18:51:18< f-a> celticminstrel: that's what I would like. scenario was... the "survive the wave" kind of game 20180519 18:51:26<+discordbot> (Rulers of Irdya also uses those sprites) 20180519 18:51:26< celticminstrel> Dark Forecast? 20180519 18:51:45<+discordbot> oh, sorry for interrupting 20180519 18:59:24<+discordbot> Looks like the guy that made those was The_Gnat, @VYNLT 20180519 19:00:18<+discordbot> all of em? 20180519 19:00:48<+discordbot> Not sure, have a look here? https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44698&hilit=reign+of+the+lords 20180519 19:01:02<+discordbot> i know Gnat made the mod itself, i want to know who made the sprites 20180519 19:01:04<+discordbot> no, there are several people who drew them 20180519 19:01:10<+discordbot> ah, who? 20180519 19:01:11<+discordbot> they are frankensteined from various sources 20180519 19:01:15<+discordbot> the people in that thread 20180519 19:01:28<+discordbot> but they are taken from GPL sources since they are frankensteins 20180519 19:01:29<+discordbot> If you look at his art thread, he frankenstined a lot of them from mainline units 20180519 19:01:48<+discordbot> rather they are GPL sprites, at least the majority, I think 20180519 19:01:50<+discordbot> ah, so that means i can use em freely 20180519 19:01:52<+discordbot> most of em 20180519 19:02:01< celticminstrel> Yay frankenstein. 20180519 19:02:11<+discordbot> wouldn't be a bad idea to check in with them though, just give them a heads up 20180519 19:02:14<+discordbot> mkay 20180519 19:10:29<+discordbot> When I upgrade my drones for Era of Magic, it gives me this error 20180519 19:10:29<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/447476148125958144/unknown.png 20180519 19:10:36<+discordbot> but it still works 20180519 19:12:45<+discordbot> Also how do I get rid of the errors from staying on the screen 20180519 19:12:49<+discordbot> its really annoying just staying there 20180519 19:13:04<+discordbot> Use the :clear command. 20180519 19:13:10<+discordbot> Okay thank you 20180519 19:14:24<+discordbot> CTRL+X tends to be faster 20180519 19:23:56< celticminstrel> ...I never knew Ctrl+X was a thing...? 20180519 19:24:46<+discordbot> Wasn't it? 20180519 19:24:55< celticminstrel> You're asking me? 20180519 19:25:30<+discordbot> Yes, it is. 20180519 19:25:46-!- f-a [~f-a@151.48.29.23] has left #wesnoth [] 20180519 19:27:10< celticminstrel> Hmm. 20180519 19:27:18< celticminstrel> So tonumber(nil) gives an error? 20180519 19:27:34< celticminstrel> ...no, it just returns nil... 20180519 19:29:00< celticminstrel> So what causes that error then... 20180519 19:44:40<+discordbot> Thats a good question, considering that there seems to be no error and the upgrades perfectly work 20180519 19:46:03<+discordbot> I got 6 perfect drones 20180519 19:51:12< celticminstrel> I doubt things actually "perfectly work". 20180519 19:51:22< celticminstrel> A Lua error generally leaves the game in an unexpected state. 20180519 19:52:01< celticminstrel> For example in this case it seems that there's a variable counting something or other, which hasn't been updated because of the error. Who knows what that might cause later? 20180519 19:54:01<+discordbot> well the 'upgrades' themself perfectly work 20180519 19:54:08<+discordbot> not sure what an 'unexpected state' is supposed to purport 20180519 20:04:24< hk238> hm trying to make some terrible art for this faction.. is there a way to upload an image so that you can also show it in a forum post? 20180519 20:05:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 20:06:22< hk238> so that's 5 images to go for placeholders 20180519 20:06:33< hk238> :D 20180519 20:12:26-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180519 20:17:59<+discordbot> hk238: You can upload files to the forums. 20180519 20:21:16<+discordbot> i want to log in, but i cant :'/ 20180519 20:22:06<+discordbot> what error does it give? 20180519 20:23:02<+discordbot> "In order to protect the wiki from spam, we currently require new users to send a message to the administrators to get their account registered." 20180519 20:23:43<+discordbot> See: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=43815 20180519 20:25:10<+discordbot> @Pentarctagon ty z3 20180519 20:36:25<+discordbot> where are the maps made by the comunity? @Pentarctagon 20180519 20:38:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180519 20:41:33<+discordbot> On the add-ons server 20180519 20:46:44-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180519 21:21:31< hk238> hm would it be detestable if I made placeholder graphics for an elven huntress by modifying elven archer and replacing the bow in a horrendous style with a spear? :D 20180519 21:22:33< celticminstrel> Um? 20180519 21:22:33<+discordbot> I mean. 20180519 21:22:39<+discordbot> That's how I started making units. 20180519 21:22:41< celticminstrel> Isn't there already an elven huntress sprite? 20180519 21:22:52< celticminstrel> The unit with the bolas. 20180519 21:23:03< celticminstrel> Think they use a sword for melee though. 20180519 21:23:14< hk238> Yes this is for a new faction though.. I was thinking about avoiding the name collision by making it female only 20180519 21:23:25<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/447509609188687882/hunterfemale.png 20180519 21:26:17< hk238> okay this huntress is done.. it will do until the charity of someone with actual talent will result into improvements :D 20180519 21:27:57< hk238> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=80774 20180519 21:28:17< celticminstrel> Not bad. 20180519 21:28:59< hk238> yeah I kind of think it's not terrible either.. I guess it's because spear is quite simple so the appearance of one can be achieved with a dark line :o 20180519 21:30:45< hk238> earlier today I tried makign a unit from scratch and it's not looking so great but I guess I could try uploading it 20180519 21:31:09<+discordbot> I want to make a campaign for fun, is there any page that will guide me on how to make units and how to put those components together to make a campaign? 20180519 21:31:19<+discordbot> I know that it uses WML code or something like that 20180519 21:31:52< hk238> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=80775 20180519 21:32:22<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Create 20180519 21:32:30< hk238> that one I made basically by painting over the figure of fighter.. It doesn't really look like an elf and it doesn't look like an armour.. but it will do for placeholder 20180519 21:33:04< hk238> also there's a complete break in style now :o 20180519 21:39:34< hk238> I suppose it still is manageable since there's armor, but I think doing the other units is going to be a problem, to make them look like elves :o 20180519 21:42:05< hk238> I guess I could try drawing ears for thief :D 20180519 21:43:07< hk238> hmm it's not good enough :o 20180519 21:46:12< celticminstrel> Speaking of which, I still need dagger attack anims for all the female elf units... 20180519 21:46:22< celticminstrel> Oh sorry, archers are female too. 20180519 21:46:33< celticminstrel> For the whole shaman line. 20180519 21:46:40< celticminstrel> s/are/can be/ 20180519 21:52:35<+discordbot> Thank you @Elegias this is exactly what I wanted :) <3 20180519 21:52:43<+discordbot> np 20180519 21:55:17< hk238> ahh GIMP crashed mid-drawing 20180519 21:55:28< celticminstrel> Bad GIMP. 20180519 21:55:49< celticminstrel> My GIMP crashes whenever I try to copy/paste unless I disable my extended pasteboard manager thingy. 20180519 21:55:54< hk238> and it's unrecoverable 20180519 21:56:10< celticminstrel> Not surprised... :/ 20180519 21:56:28-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180519 21:56:30< hk238> yeah well it's not like the world has lost a masterpiece : ) 20180519 21:56:44< hk238> maybe it's for the better to do it again anyway 20180519 22:05:59< Ravana_> 1.14 server stats for last 24h: Game stats: Current games: 54, Seen games: 2097, User stats: Current users: 150, Seen users: 1083 20180519 22:06:22< celticminstrel> Any particular reason for posting this? 20180519 22:06:45< Ravana_> no 20180519 22:06:59< Ravana_> just first results from my bot 20180519 22:07:03< celticminstrel> Lots of people though, huh... 20180519 22:09:59<+discordbot> Mhm, I'm searching for some more people who would be willing to give me some feedback regarding story/dialougue-scripts 😃 20180519 22:10:32< celticminstrel> I suppose I could give it a try... 20180519 22:11:15<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445725037270663179/447520431554166795/Orcish_memories.docx think the link should work even if you just copy it from the IRC? 20180519 22:11:30< celticminstrel> Urgh a Word doc. 20180519 22:11:36< celticminstrel> Well whatever. 20180519 22:11:41<+discordbot> Can save it another way if you prefer? 20180519 22:12:05< celticminstrel> Just that I need to download to view, can't just read in browser. 20180519 22:12:28< celticminstrel> Though I don't know for sure that I'd be able to view other formats in the browser. 20180519 22:12:35< celticminstrel> Some sites force you to download instead somehow. 20180519 22:12:37<+discordbot> Ah, I can send it as Forum-PN? 20180519 22:12:45< celticminstrel> Discord doesn't do that for images at least, but... 20180519 22:13:08< celticminstrel> Is it long? 20180519 22:13:54<+discordbot> No, three pages or so. It's just some very early draft to try and get the "feel" of the characters and their speech right 20180519 22:14:55< celticminstrel> ... 20180519 22:15:05< celticminstrel> Um. Three pages isn't long, huh. 20180519 22:15:21< celticminstrel> Well I mean... I guess it's not that long relative to eg a short story, but compared to a forum post... 20180519 22:15:58<+discordbot> well, it's dialouge. So many breaks and stuff. It's not like I wrote full text 20180519 22:16:33<+discordbot> Well you could use google docs or notepad 20180519 22:16:56<+discordbot> google docs would be nice because its just a link that u can share and everybody can view 20180519 22:17:05<+discordbot> and its basically almost the same as word 20180519 22:17:12<+discordbot> just needs a google/gmail account 20180519 22:17:52<+discordbot> Okay, stuffed it into a pad: 20180519 22:17:53< celticminstrel> I really like the introduction. o.o 20180519 22:17:54<+discordbot> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EEZBSS6e5W 20180519 22:17:58<+discordbot> Here 20180519 22:18:51<+discordbot> Me too! 20180519 22:18:57< celticminstrel> It could be a little less, uh. Terse? I guess the intent is to convey that orcs aren't much for elaborate dialogue, but... 20180519 22:19:02<+discordbot> I also like the name Rotherg, looks like Rothberg XD 20180519 22:20:03< celticminstrel> IMO a few of those periods could be replaced with commas, eg "For love, for food, for respect" and "I am Rohterg, strongest warrier of the clan". 20180519 22:20:26< hk238> oh my dear god this is terrible but it will have to do :D 20180519 22:20:26< celticminstrel> There's also a lot of "so"... 20180519 22:20:29-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:29d8:1ad5:8780:274c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 22:21:14<+discordbot> I also feel like for orcs, it would be a good idea to mention bodily injuries and stuff. I picture them running barefoot around a glass desert 20180519 22:21:18< celticminstrel> On the other hand I don't think you need a comma after "some thought", though you can leave it if the intent is to imply an audible pause. 20180519 22:21:23< hk238> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=80776 20180519 22:21:28< hk238> I just tried making the thief image into an elf 20180519 22:21:30< hk238> :D 20180519 22:21:33<+discordbot> nice 20180519 22:21:34< celticminstrel> Why would they be barefoot? 20180519 22:21:47< hk238> that gray thing doesnt look like a mace 20180519 22:22:19<+discordbot> because shoes are bad for u 20180519 22:22:21<+discordbot> thats why 20180519 22:22:23<+discordbot> idk XoX 20180519 22:22:27< celticminstrel> Uh. What. 20180519 22:22:37< hk238> just 3 pictures to go and this faction has temporary art done :D 20180519 22:22:48<+discordbot> lol I go to school barefoot xD 20180519 22:23:01< celticminstrel> Good for you? 20180519 22:23:24<+discordbot> But well I really meant to mention something about bodily deformities, maybe include something about fighting disease? idk 20180519 22:23:26<+discordbot> Mhm, maybe I will give Rohterg a bit more eloquence. 20180519 22:24:15<+discordbot> I just want to avoid having the orcs speak to humanish. My idea goes into the direction of them having a very "functional" use of language. Short, to the point. Effective. 20180519 22:24:33< celticminstrel> I don't know if he needs eloquence, but ... it feels like many of these sentences are artificially ended, and in particular it feels like in some cases a sentence has been arbitrarily cut into pieces for no reason. 20180519 22:24:38<+discordbot> lol I like how you add 'Effective' 20180519 22:24:52< celticminstrel> "They hunted us, so I called for war" - why make that two sentences? 20180519 22:25:10<+discordbot> well doesnt sound like something an orc would say imo 20180519 22:25:17< celticminstrel> Um, hmm. What does "as we became more" actually mean? 20180519 22:26:25< celticminstrel> @Crimson_Conure Well he's already saying it, there's just a period in the middle instead of a comma for some reason. 20180519 22:26:26<+discordbot> A population increase within the clan 20180519 22:27:03< celticminstrel> Maybe say "many" instead of "more"... that doesn't quite feel right either though... maybe use both? Not sure... 20180519 22:27:36<+discordbot> "As the clan became larger..."? 20180519 22:27:39< celticminstrel> "The seasons come and they go" - I guess there's no problem here but it feels strange to add the "they" in. 20180519 22:28:18< celticminstrel> TBH, "As the clan became larger" seems like a more straightforward phrasing, while something like "As we became many" is more poetic, and I don't think it's a bad thing to be a little poetic. 20180519 22:29:11< celticminstrel> Interesting. 20180519 22:29:22< celticminstrel> "They don't give mercy" 20180519 22:29:33< celticminstrel> Is that not pretty much how the humans feel about the orcs, too? 20180519 22:29:55< celticminstrel> "Or that, let's go" just seems... out of place somehow. 20180519 22:30:17< celticminstrel> ... XD Orcs being worried about woods being chopped is actually really funny. 20180519 22:30:44< celticminstrel> I mean, orcs chop down woods, and that's a big reason why they don't get along with elves, right? 20180519 22:31:01< celticminstrel> So anyway I think that's all I have to say for now. 20180519 22:31:08<+discordbot> Mhm, thanks. 20180519 22:31:15<+discordbot> Will look your points over. 20180519 22:31:33<+discordbot> xD 20180519 22:31:42<+discordbot> One question though. What kind of "vibe" do the two orcish characters invoke in your mind? 20180519 22:31:44< celticminstrel> FTR the out-of-placeness is more in the "or that" than the "let's go". 20180519 22:32:02<+discordbot> they seem kind of smart/informed/educated for an orc, despite the choppy language 20180519 22:32:12<+discordbot> I mean when people talk in real life, they talk more choppy and casual than when they write 20180519 22:32:13< celticminstrel> I think Rohterg sounds smart. 20180519 22:32:23<+discordbot> agree 20180519 22:32:25< celticminstrel> Kardash, less so. 20180519 22:32:41<+discordbot> Disagree 20180519 22:33:17< celticminstrel> Well, we don't really see many lines form Kardash, so it's hard to tell. 20180519 22:33:34< celticminstrel> (I mean there aren't that many from Rohterg either, but he does haved a few more, plus all the narration.) 20180519 22:33:47<+discordbot> Kardash just sounds instinctual, reminds me of Rahim Khan from The Kaffir Boy novel 20180519 22:34:05<+discordbot> If it helps, Kardash is represented as a warrior ingame, while Rotharg is a orcish leader. 20180519 22:34:07< celticminstrel> Kardash seems like the sort who would've killed Rohterg if he won. 20180519 22:34:21<+discordbot> lol 20180519 22:34:40< celticminstrel> And someone who doesn't think ahead that much? 20180519 22:35:42<+discordbot> Yeah, I think it get's the right vibes across. 20180519 22:35:52<+discordbot> agree 20180519 22:36:03<+discordbot> someone that doesnt really think much but is instinctual 20180519 22:36:40<+discordbot> i feel like he might be smarter than Rotherg though just because I expect that to happen later on the story, but celtic is totally right about it being inconclusive 20180519 22:36:52<+discordbot> The idea is for Rohterg to be "wise" in a way that is not book smart. But has life experience as a guide for his outlook at the world. 20180519 22:36:58<+discordbot> Right, street smart 20180519 22:37:31<+discordbot> lol reminds me of one of my friends from Syria 20180519 22:38:11<+discordbot> Kardash is more focused on martial prowess. I think "instinctual" is a good word for him. It's a lot about pride and strength and aggression. 20180519 22:38:24<+discordbot> :) 20180519 22:39:33<+discordbot> Lol Kardashian 20180519 22:40:11<+discordbot> That could be interesting if there was a reference for that. Hence the 'Ashwinites' that supposedly supported Ashwin for American Ideal 20180519 22:40:16<+discordbot> The Kardashians who support Kardash xD 20180519 22:40:51<+discordbot> Would be a nice joke, but I feel it would ruin the mood a bit. The campaign goes for a bit of a darker tone 😃 20180519 22:41:26<+discordbot> Fair enough 20180519 22:42:02< aeth> Supporters of Kardash are very fast. It is hard to keep up with the Kardashians. 20180519 22:42:13<+discordbot> Lololol xD 20180519 22:42:43<+discordbot> got a chuckle out of me at least 20180519 22:43:32<+discordbot> My current goal is to finish these two scenarios and a third one for a "mini-campaign" that I can implement and give out to test. 20180519 22:44:20<+discordbot> In the overall project it will be a flashback that begins a few missions in 20180519 22:44:21< celticminstrel> Kardashins... any relation to Cardassians...? 20180519 22:44:33< celticminstrel> Gah I forgot an A... meh. 20180519 22:44:57<+discordbot> Nah. Well, maybe they seem a bit alien at times.^^ 20180519 22:49:55-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180519 22:53:35<+discordbot> Mhm, I guess there is not much on the general structure of the wesnothian military? 20180519 22:54:11<+discordbot> So I can just come up with something and if it doesn't match up it's just because at the time that was the stucture and at another not anymore. 20180519 22:57:29<+discordbot> could also be because "that is how it is arranged HERE specifically" 20180519 22:58:02<+discordbot> Yeah, good point. 20180519 22:59:02<+discordbot> My idea was that the general "unit" of the army is "a company" (without giving to many details of how many man these have, because of unit-scaling in the game and stuff) 20180519 22:59:43<+discordbot> Every Company is lead by a lieutnant, who is assisted by a seargent (or more, if the company has to do several jobs at once) 20180519 23:00:00<+discordbot> irl company is in the ballpark of hundreds 20180519 23:00:24<+discordbot> Yeah, that's probably what seems sensible 20180519 23:00:28<+discordbot> i i r c 20180519 23:01:10<+discordbot> In modern militaries for some reason every group above squad is just "three of the group below at full capacity" 20180519 23:01:25<+discordbot> but uhhh 20180519 23:01:31<+discordbot> medieval militaries were arranged way different 20180519 23:01:42<+discordbot> A sergeant was just a non-noble who also helped giving orders. 20180519 23:01:50<+discordbot> While a Lieutenant was a low ranking noble officer. 20180519 23:02:02<+discordbot> That fits the characters that I plan very well. 20180519 23:02:58<+discordbot> Although I plan on having the seargents have some command authority (second to the lieutnant) 20180519 23:03:08<+discordbot> they had command authority 20180519 23:03:17<+discordbot> Sergeants were specifically non nobiles who had authority 20180519 23:03:44<+discordbot> although in wesnoth there is a greater degree of progression, unless we have to assume sergeants get knighted when they level up into lieutenants 20180519 23:05:19<+discordbot> Mhm, I'm not sure how relevant that would be. 20180519 23:06:01<+discordbot> But the idea was to have a rough idea what a certain rank would be expected to command (and how many would be in the field) 20180519 23:06:44<+discordbot> idk how men convert in wesnoth 20180519 23:06:51<+discordbot> considering armies in game are only 20 men or something 20180519 23:07:21<+discordbot> Yeah, that's why I would just take "company" as a descriptor of a bigger entity and leave it at that. 20180519 23:07:25<+discordbot> but sergeant is generally more on the small troop level, while lieutenant can be an actual army group or bigger 20180519 23:07:58<+discordbot> sergeant is like on the small group level, while a lieutenant can be a peleton or a company or what have you 20180519 23:08:05<+discordbot> company might make sense for lieutenant 20180519 23:08:15<+discordbot> kind of depends on the size of kingdom really and a host of other factors 20180519 23:08:19<+discordbot> so if it makes sense, it makes senses 20180519 23:08:21<+discordbot> My current idea is: 20180519 23:08:58<+discordbot> The northern expedition (that is send to establish a colony in the region) is lead by a General (so there is only ever one and he later becomes the de-facto Governor) 20180519 23:09:11<+discordbot> Small group of men - Sergant Company - Lieutenant Brigade - General Army Group - Marshal ? something like this 20180519 23:09:12<+discordbot> idk 20180519 23:09:39<+discordbot> Yeah, also i don't need the marshal in the end, I guess. 20180519 23:10:32<+discordbot> It has three companies in the beginning. And later a fourth is send to reinforce after it has run into problems (the main characters arriving with the fourth one) 20180519 23:11:16<+discordbot> So the general commands the troops very seldom (like only in one or to scenarios, where he is personaly involved) 20180519 23:11:32<+discordbot> A Lieutnant is present, when the "main force" of a company is involved 20180519 23:11:42<+discordbot> Everything else is handled by a seargent. 20180519 23:12:39<+discordbot> would make sense 20180519 23:12:47-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180519 23:14:20<+discordbot> the two human main characters would be the lieutnant of the reinforcing company and his "main" seargent, who is actually more of an "assault leader" who is really inspiring than an officer in the classical sense --- Log closed Sun May 20 00:00:20 2018