--- Log opened Wed May 23 00:00:33 2018 20180523 00:08:16-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@quassel.woboq.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 00:08:16-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@quassel.woboq.com] has quit [Changing host] 20180523 00:08:16-!- PjotrOrial [~quassel@unaffiliated/pjotrorial] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 00:14:23-!- MadMerlin2 is now known as MadMerlin 20180523 00:17:56<+discordbot> @Not Hamel you need to find a linguistic reason :) like vietnemese using ph instead of f since it used to be pronounced as an aspirated p 20180523 00:19:08<+discordbot> Yeah...I should...but I don't have the time nor the energy I used to. Exams are draining me a lot. 20180523 00:21:37<+discordbot> thats a good suggestion 20180523 00:26:18<+discordbot> sup nerds 20180523 00:26:36< celticminstrel> What's this about needing a linguistic reason @jason 20180523 00:27:44<+discordbot> hit me with your other tbs indie games that you love 20180523 00:28:10<+discordbot> The Battle for Wesnoth. 20180523 00:28:11<+discordbot> xD 20180523 00:28:31<+discordbot> 'Populus Romanus' is a pretty good one imo. 20180523 00:28:35<+discordbot> Just lacks music 20180523 00:28:47<+discordbot> So it's...a nonsound game. 20180523 00:30:29<+discordbot> civ style game? 20180523 00:49:45<+discordbot> dunno 20180523 00:49:51<+discordbot> Haven't played it in years 20180523 00:57:17<+discordbot> Sup everyone 20180523 00:58:03<+discordbot> hello citizen 20180523 01:01:13<+discordbot> Hello ther 20180523 01:02:51-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180523 01:13:03<+discordbot> general kenobi 20180523 01:13:45 * celticminstrel still wants to know what that thing about a linguistic reason was that Not Hamel was talking about. 20180523 02:20:39<+discordbot> @Demiskeleton I see you are a man of culture as well 20180523 02:21:17<+discordbot> cultured in my hate of those movies 20180523 02:24:53<+discordbot> The prequels or the saga? 20180523 02:28:15<+discordbot> xD 20180523 02:28:45<+discordbot> :celticministrel: About what I said or what Jason said/? 20180523 02:29:12<+discordbot> both 20180523 02:29:24<+discordbot> the prequels are the worst but the originals were pretty bad too 20180523 02:44:02<+discordbot> Does anyone on here know the editor of SXCollections? 20180523 02:44:22<+discordbot> The Mod is amazing but messing with my computer and not wanting to load 20180523 03:03:59<+discordbot> i don't think he hangs out here 20180523 03:11:06< celticminstrel> Yes, NotHamel 20180523 03:22:08<+discordbot> Alright, Celtic, so what I said was I was planning a trilogy and I have several details down, and I have spent many hours on it. Among these include changes in the language of the main nation. The main rules are as follows: The ph combination is replaced with an F when it makes that noise. The C only makes the K noise when accompanied by a K right after. The letter 'S' has been replaced with a 'ce'. J has been removed and replaced 20180523 03:22:08<+discordbot> with 'ge'. X has been replaced with ks, or following the previous rules, Ckce. Q has been replaced with a kw or, following the last rules, ckw. And lastly, a vowel would only say its name when accompanied by an E right after. So when I posted this, Jason suggested I provide a linguistic reason for these changes, providing an example with Vietnamese using ph instead of F. 20180523 03:23:07< celticminstrel> Ooh. 20180523 03:23:26< celticminstrel> But these sound like mainly spelling variations rather than pronunciation? 20180523 03:23:35<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180523 03:24:11<+discordbot> So in the word 'charasmatic', it would keep the ch- but the word would be respelled as this: 'Characematick' 20180523 03:25:16<+discordbot> I feel like it would be difficult to translate such a quirk, and seems... somewhat ancillary? 20180523 03:25:36<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180523 03:27:42<+discordbot> Ancillary? 20180523 03:29:50< celticminstrel> BTW, the actual English spelling of that word is "charismatic". 20180523 03:29:51<+discordbot> looks up that word 20180523 03:30:27<+discordbot> Oh, sorry. I am tired and sick...and my memory is groggy today. 20180523 03:30:55< celticminstrel> I think an arbitrary respelling of the English language would mainly just confuse people, though that's not to say it can't be handled well. 20180523 03:31:22<+discordbot> My point is that you might be better served focusing more on gameplay, story, and/or art than on making a new dialect of English 20180523 03:31:46< celticminstrel> I mean, I've already done this. 20180523 03:31:54< celticminstrel> Making a new dialect of English that is. 20180523 03:32:02<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180523 03:32:02<+discordbot> I have...but I spend way too much on things like this. 20180523 03:32:09<+discordbot> Way too much time. 20180523 03:32:11< celticminstrel> But I based it more on actual historical spellings IIRC. 20180523 03:32:20< celticminstrel> Like using the thorn, for example. 20180523 03:33:01<+discordbot> Oh...isn't thorn that one 'th' letter? 20180523 03:33:01< celticminstrel> Or declaring the silent gh to be non-silent and writing it with yogh. 20180523 03:33:04< celticminstrel> Yes. 20180523 03:33:17< celticminstrel> Actually I have two or three custom dialects. 20180523 03:33:28< celticminstrel> In another I did away with the silent gh entirely. 20180523 03:33:28<+discordbot> Oh...yeah, Yogh is my favorite not-official english letter. 20180523 03:34:25< celticminstrel> One of the dialects also uses the eth. 20180523 03:34:54< celticminstrel> (Which, to be clear, has never actually been used for English to my knowledge.) 20180523 03:39:50<+discordbot> Alright 20180523 03:40:10<+discordbot> Yeah...I can admit that I spend way too much time on these things. 20180523 03:40:27<+discordbot> Way too much 20180523 03:41:19<+discordbot> @Demiskeleton i am a checkers 'master' and a connect 4 'master' 20180523 03:41:29<+discordbot> I studied the perfect ways to play pretty deeply 20180523 03:41:31<+discordbot> for both of them 20180523 03:41:51<+discordbot> and pretty much cant lose at either unless i play the second turn for connect 4 and my opponent is playing the perfect move everytime 20180523 03:42:08< celticminstrel> You could probably say I spent way too much time on those custom dialects, too; I even have a big table of all the irregular verbs and how they differ between the dialects. >_> 20180523 03:43:49<+discordbot> xD 20180523 03:43:51<+discordbot> wow 20180523 03:44:12<+discordbot> I just like the changes..makes it feel unique to me. 20180523 03:44:31<+discordbot> Such as in the case of my second protagonist. 20180523 03:45:07< celticminstrel> But have you considered how your set of changes affect readability? 20180523 03:45:41<+discordbot> It won't be that in the book, it'd just be in cities and names and the such. 20180523 03:45:50< celticminstrel> Your example, "charismatic" -> "charicematick" seems a little questionable, at least. 20180523 03:45:57< celticminstrel> Ah, I see. 20180523 03:46:02<+discordbot> He was originally named 'Marcus', which fit, but I wanted it to be unique. I changed the spelling to 'Markus' then a while later, came up with those rules, and the spelling became 'Marckuce'. 20180523 03:46:16<+discordbot> That was the case of my 2nd protagonist. 20180523 03:46:37< celticminstrel> A final ck is semi-standard already in English (which adding -ing or -ed or similar suffixes to a word ending in -c). 20180523 03:46:37<+discordbot> And imo, Marckuce fits him better. 20180523 03:46:51<+discordbot> Yeah...English is weird. 20180523 03:47:14< celticminstrel> Medial ck on the other hand is quite unusual, I think... at least I can't think of any non-compound cases off the top of my head. 20180523 03:48:08< celticminstrel> I think someone reading "Marckuse" would pronounce the u long, like oooooo, rather than the shorter u in "Markus". Just an observation. 20180523 03:48:22<+discordbot> ooh 20180523 03:48:23<+discordbot> maybe 20180523 03:48:59< celticminstrel> Possibly even ... I don't remember the word for it, but like "markyoos" kind of thing. 20180523 03:49:14< celticminstrel> (That probably depends on the reader's native dialect to some extent.) 20180523 03:49:27<+discordbot> So like the narrating would be in normal English, but the names, cities and the such would be in these rules. 20180523 03:49:32< celticminstrel> I see. 20180523 03:50:05< celticminstrel> I was planning to use my custom dialects for dialogue in a game. 20180523 03:50:34<+discordbot> And when writing is shown. I'd have to provide an explanation why their tongue is different from the normal tongue, but I think this is a nice feature I have added. 20180523 03:50:39< celticminstrel> Just for certain characters who come from other parts of the world. 20180523 03:52:44<+discordbot> So, like, 'They have crossed the border, they advance for the Capitol' would be rewritten as such if specified it was on paper in detail: 'They have ckroced the border. They advance for the Kcapitoel.' 20180523 03:53:13<+discordbot> makes it pretty artistic 20180523 03:53:16< celticminstrel> It might make more sense if some of the rules depend on context. 20180523 03:53:25<+discordbot> yeah 20180523 03:53:36< celticminstrel> Like, certain changes don't happen at the beginning of a word, or only in the middle of a word, or whatever. 20180523 03:53:58<+discordbot> I suppose it would....but I just wrote those up like a week ago. 20180523 03:54:07< celticminstrel> I mean, you can stick with what you have if you like iy, but I can say that starting a word with ck or kc looks really weird to me. 20180523 03:54:14< celticminstrel> Of course, that's because I'm used to English. 20180523 03:54:19< celticminstrel> So take that with a grain of salt. 20180523 03:54:33<+discordbot> Wait...it would be Ckapitol. My bad. 20180523 03:54:41< celticminstrel> Heh. 20180523 03:56:47<+discordbot> See...I just thought it would be interesting if 'C' by itself had no meaning, but other letters would act as 'modifiers' to it, such where 'ck', 'ce' and 'ch' would all be said differently. 20180523 03:58:46<+discordbot> But I might just be insane. 20180523 03:58:47<+discordbot> xD 20180523 04:07:35<+discordbot> Oh, Celtic, found an example of -ck in the middle of a word. 20180523 04:07:37<+discordbot> Pocket. 20180523 04:12:19<+discordbot> locket 20180523 04:12:30<+discordbot> hockey 20180523 04:12:39<+discordbot> Rocket 20180523 04:13:15<+discordbot> socket 20180523 04:13:16<+discordbot> cricket 20180523 04:13:40<+discordbot> ticket 20180523 04:23:29< celticminstrel> So it's only at the beginning that it's weird, then. 20180523 04:24:34<+discordbot> Yeah 20180523 04:27:04-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180523 04:29:41<+discordbot> So Celtic, may I ask why you were intrigued to ask me that question? 20180523 06:45:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 06:51:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 07:59:57-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 09:41:45-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 11:08:32-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 11:08:34< hk238> hi 20180523 11:10:17-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 11:52:04-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 12:23:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 12:24:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 13:13:46-!- Catoptromancy [~cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 15:12:40-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 15:12:41-!- gfgtdf_ [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 15:12:59-!- gfgtdf_ [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Client Quit] 20180523 15:25:37-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 16:13:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 16:13:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 16:45:44<+discordbot> hi <3 20180523 17:06:57-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:d19d:a3c:7917:5a2d] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 17:16:01< Catoptromancy> well noth works decent on my laptop, with decent settings even 20180523 17:16:28< Catoptromancy> ive tried multiple binaries, and they are all painfully slow 20180523 17:16:35< Catoptromancy> on my good computer 20180523 17:16:47< Catoptromancy> i think it might be something hardware related 20180523 17:17:25< Catoptromancy> this computer can play quake4 at decent settings, but wesnoth on lowest settings wont 20180523 17:17:44< Ivanovic> did you install addons? if yes: which ones? 20180523 17:17:53< Catoptromancy> maybe OS support of some features 20180523 17:17:54< Ivanovic> yes, addons have the potential to slow things down significantly 20180523 17:18:00< Catoptromancy> no addons 20180523 17:18:18< Catoptromancy> also we have played for years with addons 20180523 17:18:18< Ivanovic> in general most of the settings will only have a limited impact on performance 20180523 17:18:32< Catoptromancy> but new version with similar addons makes it unplayable 20180523 17:18:54< Catoptromancy> http://www.geocities.ws/catodemos/wesnoth/topic 20180523 17:18:58<+discordbot> i experienced something similar with chess engines at one point so it could have to do with generating data 20180523 17:19:15<+discordbot> but i wouldnt know 20180523 17:19:27< Catoptromancy> there was new option at topic of Advanced list that seemed to generate data 20180523 17:20:08<+discordbot> basically i could load 4k graphics on video games but a chess engine slowed down my computer 20180523 17:20:30<+discordbot> compared to 4k video games 20180523 17:20:33< Catoptromancy> we only play multiplayer, I do not host them 20180523 17:20:40<+discordbot> hm 20180523 17:20:49< Catoptromancy> so bots would be generated on other computer 20180523 17:21:21< Catoptromancy> i think. 20180523 17:22:25< Ivanovic> okay, no idea if the mods listed there might have some impact on performance... 20180523 17:22:46< Catoptromancy> still used lots of mods last version 20180523 17:22:56< Catoptromancy> ran smooth with fancy options 20180523 17:23:14< Catoptromancy> sdl2 seems like a culprit 20180523 17:23:29< Catoptromancy> but other games with sdl2 dont have a noticeable slow down 20180523 17:23:39< Catoptromancy> compared to older versions with sdl1 20180523 17:23:48<+discordbot> Almost all games which use SDL2 use hardware rendering. 20180523 17:23:52<+discordbot> Wesnoth doesn't. 20180523 17:24:05< Catoptromancy> doom ports in software mode 20180523 17:24:06< Catoptromancy> heh 20180523 17:28:31< Catoptromancy> hmm 20180523 17:28:39< Catoptromancy> just the mod being installed can slow it down? 20180523 17:28:43< Catoptromancy> or only actively loaded 20180523 17:54:19-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6901.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 18:32:42-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 18:32:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 18:43:29-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 19:16:21< Catoptromancy> git bisect will figure it out 20180523 19:37:52-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 20:12:00-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 20:20:23< Catoptromancy> this will take at least a week 20180523 21:00:39-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180523 21:15:50-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:d19d:a3c:7917:5a2d] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180523 21:56:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180523 22:20:00< Amany> Hey guys... My friend is using steam, and he cant log in. Basically, he cant change his nick (after clicking multiplayer) 20180523 22:20:09< Amany> and just go to next menu 20180523 22:21:13< Amany> he just cant edite box with nick 20180523 22:22:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 22:30:45<+discordbot> Has he clicked on the box before trying to enter text in it? 20180523 22:35:30< Amany> yes, he did 20180523 22:50:13< Amany> old wesnoth works correctly 20180523 22:50:17< Amany> i mean 1.12 20180523 22:56:29<+discordbot> @Vultraz Any ideas here? 20180523 22:57:01<+discordbot> works fine here 20180523 22:58:56<+discordbot> Yeah I know it does. 20180523 22:59:08<+discordbot> Any ideas for further troubleshooting? 20180523 23:00:06<+discordbot> I really don't 😦 20180523 23:00:18< Amany> :( 20180523 23:02:04<+discordbot> Amany: As a last resort option he can edit the Preferences file manually adding a newline at the end containing login="hisusernamehere". 20180523 23:02:37<+discordbot> Clicking on the i button on the bottom left corner and clicking on the folder icon next to Configuration should reveal the location of the file, it's called preferences. 20180523 23:03:24<+discordbot> It'd also be nice to know what operating system he's running and which version. 20180523 23:03:39< Amany> oh i didnt say 20180523 23:03:43< Amany> its ubuntu 16.04 20180523 23:04:02< Amany> 14.04* 20180523 23:04:38<+discordbot> Wesnoth 1.14 is not supposed to be buildable on 14.04. 20180523 23:04:48< Amany> even on steam? 20180523 23:04:59<+discordbot> I suppose it could still run in 14.04 using Steam's libraries, but I'm not sure if that'll work correctly. 20180523 23:05:24<+discordbot> It's still an unsupported configuration. 20180523 23:05:57< Amany> :( 20180523 23:06:00< Amany> okay, thanks 20180523 23:07:24< Amany> yeh, he gonna reinstall his ubuntu to 17 or 18.04 20180523 23:07:32< Amany> thank you guys once again for help:) 20180523 23:07:46<+discordbot> Okay, no problem. 20180523 23:18:50-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180523 23:21:26-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180523 23:22:41-!- Smedles_ [~quassel@101.166.201.190] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 23:22:50-!- Smedles [~quassel@101.166.201.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180523 23:52:33-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180523 23:59:10-!- Smedles_ [~quassel@101.166.201.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Log closed Thu May 24 00:00:05 2018