--- Log opened Sun May 27 00:00:10 2018 20180527 00:01:15-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180527 00:06:02<+discordbot1> 1.14.2 patchnotes? ๐Ÿค” 20180527 00:07:17<+discordbot1> Later, probably. 20180527 00:07:44<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ‘Œ 20180527 01:16:00-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 01:17:50<+discordbot1> @Vultraz Hey bro I got a question 20180527 01:17:58<+discordbot1> what? 20180527 01:17:59<+discordbot1> In the redesigned NR mission 5 20180527 01:18:11<+discordbot1> is there any purpose of defeating those spiders anymore... 20180527 01:18:22<+discordbot1> because now the Rod is moved to the treasury 20180527 01:18:33<+discordbot1> I found you can totally ignore those spiders now 20180527 01:18:41<+discordbot1> You're asking me about something I did like ,I dunno, in early 2015. 20180527 01:18:41<+discordbot1> and clean up just other few routes 20180527 01:18:48<+discordbot1> lol 20180527 01:18:51<+discordbot1> And then honestly, didn't really playtest 20180527 01:18:55<+discordbot1> I can't remember 20180527 01:20:30<+discordbot1> ok 20180527 01:20:41<+discordbot1> does that route hide anything except the spieders? 20180527 01:23:00<+discordbot1> Again, I don't remember 20180527 01:23:54<+discordbot1> And yes, 1.14.2 is out on Steam since I asked our packagers to prioritize getting that out before we deal with the patchnotes and forum post, etc. 20180527 01:25:12<+discordbot1> @Flameheart if you really want to see the changelog right now... https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.14.2/changelog.md 20180527 01:33:36<+discordbot1> LOL I found this mission actually doable with horde of suicide 20180527 01:33:50<+discordbot1> you just gonna make footpad non stop 20180527 01:33:59<+discordbot1> and they kinda auto rank nevertheless vs undead 20180527 01:34:12<+discordbot1> and all UD sux vs footpad and fugitive 20180527 01:40:47<+discordbot1> as long as you dont lose dwarf kings it is ok 20180527 01:59:34<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450115810858369036/unknown.png 20180527 01:59:36<+discordbot1> and the massive white mage laming 20180527 01:59:38<+discordbot1> it is unreal 20180527 02:39:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 02:39:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 03:21:24<+discordbot1> @Crimson_Conure 2030 ELO? Nice. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180527 03:21:38<+discordbot1> Although a coworker of mine is at 2575. ๐Ÿ˜› https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomi_Nybรคck 20180527 03:22:01<+discordbot1> (He works as a programmer in the same team as me. I'm the lead programmer in the same project.) 20180527 03:23:19-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180527 03:26:14<+discordbot1> WHAT! 20180527 03:26:29<+discordbot1> Holy crap 2575 and programmer and cute too 20180527 03:26:32<+discordbot1> Super successful guy 20180527 03:26:52<+discordbot1> Thats hella awesome 20180527 03:27:40<+discordbot1> What's his favorite opening, or what openings does he have the most expertise in? @jyrkive 20180527 03:28:58<+discordbot1> I don't know. We almost never talk about chess. 20180527 03:29:01<+discordbot1> Dude your co worker is the #1 best player in finland 20180527 03:29:05<+discordbot1> and also a poker player ! 20180527 03:30:18<+discordbot1> That is so badass oh my god 20180527 03:30:22<+discordbot1> I already knew that he played at an international level, but didn't know that he was #1 until I checked just now. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180527 03:30:39<+discordbot1> Yeah! 20180527 03:50:24-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-750A-7EA7-87D-9C92.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 04:05:16-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180527 06:52:07-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180527 07:44:43-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 07:50:01-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 09:01:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 09:01:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 09:13:47-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 09:45:00-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-153-157.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 10:08:24-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 10:40:19<+discordbot1> 2030 would have been nearly enough to get in the first team in my old club. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180527 10:41:16-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 11:05:48-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 12:07:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 12:07:15-!- janebot_ [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 12:07:15-!- janebot_ is now known as janebot 20180527 13:24:07-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-153-157.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20180527 14:32:51-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180527 14:47:54-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 14:48:00-!- janebot_ [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 14:48:00-!- janebot_ is now known as janebot 20180527 14:57:32-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 16:21:54<+discordbot1> Hello, I'm playing Era of Magic with my friend but whenever he upgrades a dwarven drone unit we both get an error saying something like "invalid WML file, able_to_advance[] missing". Does anyone know how to fix this? 20180527 16:38:22< galegosimpatico> :rolling_eyes: 20180527 16:39:17< galegosimpatico> Already reported --> 20180527 16:40:30<+discordbot1> thanks! 20180527 16:45:48< galegosimpatico> You're welcome. 20180527 17:16:12<+discordbot1> hey guys i want download campaign add ons. any suggest ??? 20180527 17:21:04<+discordbot1> @boomzale The Legend of the Invencible is great 20180527 17:21:25<+discordbot1> Unless you donโ€™t want anything too complex 20180527 17:22:49<+discordbot1> Well, it's not a campaign, but I would highly suggest one of Bob's RPGs. 20180527 17:23:00<+discordbot1> Especially The Fall of Trent 20180527 17:23:14<+discordbot1> Or Into the Underworld 20180527 18:09:57<+discordbot1> lengend of invincible 20180527 18:10:01<+discordbot1> is a massive grind fest 20180527 18:10:09<+discordbot1> dude, you gonna play from first volume 20180527 18:10:19<+discordbot1> starting from later episodes is simply unplayable 20180527 18:10:44<+discordbot1> because you gonna rank your protagonists to super crazy high ranks in early chapters 20180527 18:10:56<+discordbot1> and for that your later chapters is easier...or at least playable 20180527 18:11:08<+discordbot1> otherwise use cheat command ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180527 18:11:29<+discordbot1> fuck all LV4 LV5 LV6 crazy shit 20180527 18:12:00<+discordbot1> one part of the reason why UMC campaigns are fun is because you enjoy ranking the units 20180527 18:12:13<+discordbot1> In Invincibles, ranking them up is simple pointless... 20180527 18:12:19<+discordbot1> because they got so many ranks 20180527 18:12:23<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180527 18:12:50<+discordbot1> nearly all unit got a lv4 and lv5 branch 20180527 18:13:07<+discordbot1> but even those super units stand shit chance vs the boss fights and enemy lv4 spammables 20180527 18:16:31<+discordbot1> > lv4, lv5, lv6 crazy shit 20180527 18:16:47<+discordbot1> I didn't even finish LotI1, but even I know that's an understatement 20180527 18:31:38-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20180527 18:47:17-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180527 19:01:22<+discordbot1> what's the best campaign available atm in terms of story? 20180527 19:01:23<+discordbot1> for 1.14 20180527 19:03:50<+discordbot1> After the Storm (soon ๐Ÿ˜ฃ , it's in the process of being ported right now) 20180527 19:04:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 19:04:41<+discordbot1> i meant available at the moment 20180527 19:04:47<+discordbot1> i do know about ATS but, you know, not ported yet 20180527 19:04:51<+discordbot1> same with IFTU 20180527 19:05:11<+discordbot1> i like them, but theyre not ported yet so they dont count at the moment 20180527 19:05:56<+discordbot1> well it's really up to opinion, I guess 20180527 19:06:02<+discordbot1> I thought Bad Moon Rising was decent 20180527 19:06:49<+discordbot1> I liked NR, but it is a pain in the arse. 20180527 19:07:08<+discordbot1> The story was great to me, just a bloodbath. 20180527 19:07:21<+discordbot1> There's an experimental snapshot of IftU available already for 1.14. 20180527 19:07:36<+discordbot1> oh yeah, The Library of Kratemaqht seems to be on 1.14 now too 20180527 19:07:40<+discordbot1> Just not on the add-ons server, and also I need to release a new one today after fixing some issues (thanks mainline devs). 20180527 19:07:59<+discordbot1> Elvish Dynasty RPG is short and fun 20180527 19:08:49<+discordbot1> ah 20180527 19:08:51<+discordbot1> for mainline, SotA is probably worth trying if you haven't played it 20180527 19:08:56<+discordbot1> i played it already 20180527 19:08:57<+discordbot1> its good 20180527 19:08:58<+discordbot1> okay 20180527 19:09:00<+discordbot1> really good for mainline 20180527 19:09:09<+discordbot1> whats The Library of Kratemaqht like? 20180527 19:09:12<+discordbot1> i dont mind spoilers btw 20180527 19:09:15<+discordbot1> gosh it's been a long time 20180527 19:09:17<+discordbot1> you can dm if you dont want to spoil for others 20180527 19:09:43<+discordbot1> also about IFTU/ATS, any changes that are gonna be in them? well, changes that you dont mind sharing before the 1.14 version is released 20180527 19:09:53<+discordbot1> like, notable changes (both visual, balance and mechanics) 20180527 19:09:55<+discordbot1> it precedes The Rise of Wesnoth 20180527 19:10:06<+discordbot1> hmm, interesting 20180527 19:10:25<+discordbot1> I played it way super long ago, (like 1.8, maybe 1.10?) 20180527 19:11:00<+discordbot1> ah 20180527 19:11:25<+discordbot1> @VYNLT None in IftU. AtS is up in the air right now. 20180527 19:11:38<+discordbot1> I guess my impression was that the art was passable, mostly that it was reasonably good story-wise 20180527 19:11:41<+discordbot1> so only ATS is getting changes? 20180527 19:11:43<+discordbot1> but I have forgotten much of it 20180527 19:12:04<+discordbot1> I just finished playing through the 1.14 IftU port yesterday, it's very similar to 1.12 20180527 19:12:05<+discordbot1> I've been meaning to introduce AMLAs to AtS for over a year now but I never find the motivation to do so. 20180527 19:12:10<+discordbot1> AMLAs? 20180527 19:12:24<+discordbot1> what was the last version of IftU that you played? 20180527 19:12:25<+discordbot1> I implemented them in IftU first but never received any feedback from people, which is really demotivating. 20180527 19:12:37<+discordbot1> 1.12 @Yumi 20180527 19:12:40<+discordbot1> what are AMLAs? 20180527 19:12:42<+discordbot1> no I mean version of IftU 20180527 19:12:47<+discordbot1> after maximum level advancements 20180527 19:12:47<+discordbot1> uhh....idk, dont recall 20180527 19:13:04<+discordbot1> You know when a unit reaches its maximum XP once it's already at its maximum level? 20180527 19:13:05<+discordbot1> IftU 2.0 introduced some AMLAs to one of the hero units 20180527 19:13:13<+discordbot1> yeah, what about that 20180527 19:13:27<+discordbot1> IFTU 2.0? i think i may have played it 20180527 19:13:39<+discordbot1> give me more details and i may recall well 20180527 19:13:41<+discordbot1> In IftU 2.0.1 Elynia has probably the most convoluted AMLA tree I've ever done. 20180527 19:13:52<+discordbot1> OHHH, AMLA as in, ability promotions 20180527 19:13:56<+discordbot1> like Kaleh's from UTBS 20180527 19:13:57<+discordbot1> yah 20180527 19:14:07<+discordbot1> you've played my campaign, it's like the fae 20180527 19:14:12<+discordbot1> yeah, Elynia definetly had AMLAs in my version 20180527 19:14:24<+discordbot1> Well, she's always had a few. 20180527 19:14:24<+discordbot1> like, the whole playthrough 20180527 19:14:31<+discordbot1> what SM is saying is that you should give her feedback on them 20180527 19:14:43<+discordbot1> This is what 2.0.1 added: * Redone Lady of Light (Elynia) AMLA tree: * Strength I: +5 HP (+25% XP) * Thorns I: 8-3 ranged pierce, magical (+25% XP) * Strength II: melee damage +1 (+25% XP) * Focus I: faerie fire damage +1 (+35% XP) * Thorns II: thorns damage +1, drains (+35% XP) * Strength III: melee strikes +1 (+25% XP) * Focus II: faerie fire strikes +1 (+40% XP) * Strength IV: +10 HP, melee 20180527 19:14:44<+discordbot1> damage +1 (+30% XP) * Focus III: ensnare strikes +1 (+40% XP) * Shielding I: +10% arcane resistance (+30% XP), requires both Focus I and Strength III * Shielding II: +20% arcane resistance (+50% XP), requires Focus II 20180527 19:14:44<+discordbot1> imo AMLAs are a nice concept 20180527 19:15:12<+discordbot1> from what i can tell you prefer to have them for divine units, like faeries or stuff like that 20180527 19:15:27<+discordbot1> All hero units. Galas is actually the next target in IftU. 20180527 19:15:37<+discordbot1> I've just not decided exactly how to go about making him a unique unit. 20180527 19:15:38<+discordbot1> you wanna add AMLAs to everyone else? 20180527 19:15:54<+discordbot1> And Mal Keshar I'd rather not touch since he's too OP as he is. 20180527 19:16:02<+discordbot1> gdi Yumi 20180527 19:16:02<+discordbot1> i have a better idea for Malin 20180527 19:16:12<+discordbot1> Just as I said that Yumi tells me to work on Mal Keshar next. 20180527 19:16:16<+discordbot1> how about you make him a unique lich class, one that's less OP than an ancient lich 20180527 19:16:32<+discordbot1> and one that you can safely use to implement AMLAs without ruining the balance 20180527 19:17:04<+discordbot1> Maybe, I'd have to think about how to make it so it doesn't devalue his informed attributes. 20180527 19:17:17<+discordbot1> Elynia has an excuse to start out weak, the lich doesn't. 20180527 19:17:20<+discordbot1> I mean, with that much time, you'd think he'd have learnt everything 20180527 19:17:20<+discordbot1> if i recall correctly, Malin is the placeholder for the Master of Darkness in IFTU in the last missions 20180527 19:17:29<+discordbot1> (spoiler) 20180527 19:17:35<+discordbot1> my bad 20180527 19:17:45<+discordbot1> and yeah, he's been alive for a long time 20180527 19:18:03<+discordbot1> "alive" 20180527 19:18:07<+discordbot1> gameplay also doesn't always match lore 20180527 19:18:10<+discordbot1> "functional" 20180527 19:18:26<+discordbot1> not completely 20180527 19:18:26<+discordbot1> true but i do think that, with some thought, Malin could get some AMLAs that fit him 20180527 19:18:30<+discordbot1> sure 20180527 19:18:51<+discordbot1> @Yumi It'd be weird if he started out weaker than every other Ancient Lich in known Wesnoth history gameplay. 20180527 19:19:11<+discordbot1> true but Malin is an aged lich, which i think is a gameplay effect in ATS from what i remember 20180527 19:19:16<+discordbot1> Random shmucks who have no business being as great as he is get to be Ancient Liches. 20180527 19:19:30<+discordbot1> Well, the trait's name is a bit misleading. 20180527 19:19:36<+discordbot1> oh 20180527 19:19:58<+discordbot1> "Malin's inflated ego has caused him to stop practicing his sorcery over the centuries, leading to a degradation in his skills" ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180527 19:20:02<+discordbot1> I didn't want to call it "weakened", but it's actually the events of the IftU finale that have a big toll on his lichness. 20180527 19:20:02<+discordbot1> lol 20180527 19:20:13<+discordbot1> i didnt see the IFTU finale since i got stuck on something 20180527 19:20:21<+discordbot1> i presume it has to do with Elynia's powers though im guessing? 20180527 19:20:26<+discordbot1> (him becoming weakened) 20180527 19:20:35<+discordbot1> Elynia is also weakened after 20180527 19:20:38<+discordbot1> oh 20180527 19:20:57<+discordbot1> IIRC you said you got stuck on the scenario in the Chaos empire's capital 20180527 19:21:05<+discordbot1> i read up a walkthrough 20180527 19:21:11<+discordbot1> thats why i know some of the stuff after that mission 20180527 19:21:15<+discordbot1> okay 20180527 19:21:25<+discordbot1> but yeah...this definetly needs some thought if you decide to have Malin have AMLAs 20180527 19:21:40<+discordbot1> i think Galas should be the bigger focus 20180527 19:22:03<+discordbot1> one must be careful about making Galas too strong... 20180527 19:22:08<+discordbot1> he is his own unique unit in ATS, so maybe IFTU could do the same (obviously not a wanderer like in ATS) 20180527 19:22:17<+discordbot1> Elven Champion Galas ๐Ÿ‘Œ 20180527 19:22:23<+discordbot1> give him good support and he shreds everything 20180527 19:22:33<+discordbot1> (spoiler) 20180527 19:22:36<+discordbot1> reason being that 20180527 19:22:41<+discordbot1> you can stack a bunch of items on him 20180527 19:22:45<+discordbot1> and suddenly he goes godmode 20180527 19:22:59<+discordbot1> and is amazingly useful even against super powerful enemies 20180527 19:23:00<+discordbot1> what do i delete? since i thought this wouldnt be a spoiler 20180527 19:23:04<+discordbot1> no my text is a spoiler 20180527 19:23:08<+discordbot1> somewhat 20180527 19:23:08<+discordbot1> oh ok 20180527 19:23:16<+discordbot1> and yeah i did focus on powering up Galas as well 20180527 19:23:19<+discordbot1> so basically, if he gets a bunch of AMLAs 20180527 19:23:23<+discordbot1> him and Malin wreck everything 20180527 19:23:25<+discordbot1> he becomes super strong 20180527 19:23:34<+discordbot1> without having any reason to lore-wise either 20180527 19:23:37<+discordbot1> i know, that's why i said that Galas should get a unique class 20180527 19:23:40<+discordbot1> like in ATS 20180527 19:23:49<+discordbot1> I didn't fail to notice for your test save that you gave Galas the Shardia's meteor item @Yumi 20180527 19:23:56<+discordbot1> if AMLAs are to be implemented that is 20180527 19:23:57<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180527 19:24:03<+discordbot1> I thought it was the most useless item I ever implemented tbh. 20180527 19:24:08<+discordbot1> it's actually very useful 20180527 19:24:09<+discordbot1> i dont think i even found it lol 20180527 19:24:10<+discordbot1> on Galas 20180527 19:24:21<+discordbot1> because it's a firststrike slow 20180527 19:24:34<+discordbot1> so this allows him to frontline against ranged enemies and shaxthals longer 20180527 19:24:35<+discordbot1> And you gave him the glacial gladius as well. 20180527 19:24:37<+discordbot1> of course 20180527 19:24:41<+discordbot1> god i hate Shaxtals lol 20180527 19:24:51<+discordbot1> I think the optimal way to play IftU is to make very few, but very strong units 20180527 19:24:51<+discordbot1> I should make the gladius more visible somehow. 20180527 19:24:53<+discordbot1> those guys slayed my Necromancers in a mission where you fight pretty much nothing but Shaxtals 20180527 19:24:58<+discordbot1> We all do. 20180527 19:25:07<+discordbot1> psh 20180527 19:25:09<+discordbot1> and thats how i played myself, but i focused on Necromancers because those are effective against demons 20180527 19:25:17<+discordbot1> my spectre strikeforce slashes those silly things to death 20180527 19:25:30<+discordbot1> thanks for the advice, ill focus on ghosts next time then lol 20180527 19:25:36<+discordbot1> Also yes, I focus on building up about 6-9 units myself. 20180527 19:25:39<+discordbot1> Huh? Demons? 20180527 19:25:49<+discordbot1> What mod is this? 20180527 19:25:54<+discordbot1> Invasion from the Unknown 20180527 19:26:02<+discordbot1> coming soon to 1.14! 20180527 19:26:24<+discordbot1> great UMC campaign 20180527 19:26:40<+discordbot1> as far as demons go, they actually don't have as prominent a role in IftU as in AtS 20180527 19:26:41<+discordbot1> its a fan-made sequel to the mainline campaigns, same goes for ATS and Genesis (the sequel and prequel) 20180527 19:26:50<+discordbot1> or Genesis, Genesis is practically all demons 20180527 19:26:58<+discordbot1> well 20180527 19:26:58<+discordbot1> i highly recommend all 3 by the way 20180527 19:27:00<+discordbot1> not exactly 20180527 19:27:01<+discordbot1> once they come out 20180527 19:28:31<+discordbot1> (well, they are out but not for 1.14 users) 20180527 19:28:46<+discordbot1> so yeah, once they get ported, try them out and see if you like them or not, imo they're amazing 20180527 19:29:40<+discordbot1> Heh, I was planning on first doing some more mainlines, but I'll keep it in mind. 20180527 19:29:42<+discordbot1> All demons and little demonology. 20180527 19:29:46< celticminstrel> I'm using demons in my second campaign too. Which is currently vaporware though. 20180527 19:29:56<+discordbot1> well i recommend playing Under the Burning Suns and Descent into Darkness first 20180527 19:29:58<+discordbot1> I share VYNLT's recommendation, though I never actually finish shit. 20180527 19:30:01<+discordbot1> its directly tied to those 2 specifically 20180527 19:30:49<+discordbot1> Genesis can be played without any prerequisites, UtBs and DiD (optional) are recommended for IftU and AtS 20180527 19:30:55<+discordbot1> ah ok 20180527 19:31:17<+discordbot1> then, if you wanna start with Genesis first, no need, though if you do IFTU or ATS then do play UTBS and DID first 20180527 19:31:27<+discordbot1> however, G is apparently very hard ๐Ÿ˜– 20180527 19:31:56< celticminstrel> The name "genesis" sounds slightly ominous. 20180527 19:32:15< celticminstrel> Well, coupled with the assertion that it's practically all demons. 20180527 19:32:17<+discordbot1> well it has a quite unique atmosphere for a campaign tbh 20180527 19:32:17<+discordbot1> nemaara is apparently very good at Wesnoth, so her scenario design tends to reflect that 20180527 19:32:40< celticminstrel> Someone should explain what Yumi has to do with this. 20180527 19:32:49< celticminstrel> Did Yumi make Genesis or something? 20180527 19:32:59<+discordbot1> Yumi is nemaara, she made Genesis. 20180527 19:33:02<+discordbot1> yep 20180527 19:33:08<+discordbot1> the published part of Genesis is apparently the most grounded part of it, and it's very different 20180527 19:33:16<+discordbot1> from standardised Wesnoth. 20180527 19:33:17< celticminstrel> I knew the first half od that, that's why I said Yumi instead of nemaara in the first place. 20180527 19:33:21< celticminstrel> ^of 20180527 19:33:44<+discordbot1> fun with Discord to IRC 20180527 19:33:57<+discordbot1> point is, if you're a new player, Genesis probably isn't good to start with 20180527 19:34:03<+discordbot1> I imagine that people who change their usernames on a frequent userbase like I do are practically unrecognisable 20180527 19:34:04<+discordbot1> So Genesis is "extended canon" par say? 20180527 19:34:07<+discordbot1> fan-made canon 20180527 19:34:14< celticminstrel> Because IMO it's generally less confusing to use whatever name someone goes by in the place you're chatting, rather than a name they go by elsewhere. 20180527 19:34:31<+discordbot1> All of Wesnoth is fan-made canon. 20180527 19:34:34<+discordbot1> its not officially canon but it is made to be lore-friendly, so in your headcanon you can easily fit the IFTU-trilogy with the rest of mainline wesnoth 20180527 19:34:49<+discordbot1> Oh I see. 20180527 19:35:08<+discordbot1> they do go quite in depth regarding lore so imo they are canon in my headcanon 20180527 19:35:11<+discordbot1> The divide is more like... hm... "Official" "Unofficial" and "Not" 20180527 19:35:32< celticminstrel> I mean HTTT might not count entirely as fan-made canon. 20180527 19:35:34<+discordbot1> yeah, though you should put them in "" since everything is made by fans 20180527 19:35:42<+discordbot1> Wasn't SotA recently made official? 20180527 19:35:47<+discordbot1> yes 20180527 19:35:50<+discordbot1> Yes, it was. 20180527 19:35:50< celticminstrel> But AFAIK all the other campaigns were originally addons. 20180527 19:36:07< celticminstrel> Though that was long before I started playing Wesnoth so I could be wrong. 20180527 19:36:09<+discordbot1> tbph the sort by chronology feature was the best thing to ever happen 20180527 19:36:18< celticminstrel> You're welcome! 20180527 19:36:28 * celticminstrel <-- the person who actually implemented that feature 20180527 19:37:31<+discordbot1> nice 20180527 19:37:34<+discordbot1> nice 20180527 19:37:44<+discordbot1> https://giphy.com/gifs/smash-getting-pro-pCO5tKdP22RC8 20180527 19:39:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 19:46:40< celticminstrel> (BTW, I hope @Yumi et al have figured out how to insert their own campaigns into the timeline? It's really easy but it doesn't look like it has been documented yet.) 20180527 19:47:22<+discordbot1> I'm afraid that's not on my radar right now 20180527 19:48:14<+discordbot1> well, I guess if it's a short one hour thing, I could do it 20180527 19:49:58<+discordbot1> And hopefully someone documents it along the way? 20180527 19:51:16<+discordbot1> IftU and AtS do have their own detailed timeline page, though 20180527 19:52:08<+discordbot1> I think he means chronologically 20180527 19:52:23<+discordbot1> in game 20180527 19:53:12<+discordbot1> hmmm 20180527 19:55:36<+discordbot1> Campaigns can be sorted on chronology now. 20180527 19:55:47<+discordbot1> basically, there's a year flag 20180527 19:55:53<+discordbot1> I wonder, does it put non canon at the bottom or the top? 20180527 19:56:02<+discordbot1> yah I see that 20180527 19:56:09<+discordbot1> year="363 YW" from a Tale of Two Brothers, for example 20180527 19:56:09<+discordbot1> start_year, end_year 20180527 19:56:15<+discordbot1> or just year 20180527 19:56:28<+discordbot1> What does YW mean? 20180527 19:56:35<+discordbot1> Year of Wesnoth. 20180527 19:56:39<+discordbot1> as Genesis takes place prior to the Wesnothian timeline, presumably it would be a placeholder value Before Wesnoth 20180527 19:56:47<+discordbot1> I mean 20180527 19:56:48<+discordbot1> I was thinking of that 20180527 19:56:49<+discordbot1> doesn't uhhh 20180527 19:56:55<+discordbot1> the founding of wesnoth campaign 20180527 19:56:59<+discordbot1> take place before Wesnoth 20180527 19:57:01<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿค” 20180527 19:57:01<+discordbot1> BW 20180527 19:57:02<+discordbot1> yes 20180527 19:57:02<+discordbot1> yes 20180527 19:57:04<+discordbot1> 2 BW 20180527 19:57:11<+discordbot1> is the start_year 20180527 19:57:51<+discordbot1> as IftU takes place an undefined time after UtBS (and about 250 years after the founding of the Chaos Empire, apparently), presumably it would be a mid-high value after the Fall 20180527 19:58:16<+discordbot1> iirc the founding campaign actually uses the Northeners in the place of demons 20180527 19:58:40<+discordbot1> well there are no demons in much ofmainline wesnoth history 20180527 19:58:55<+discordbot1> Yeah. 20180527 19:59:16<+discordbot1> but I mean, like, "a foul horde of monsters springs forth, burning down everything in sight" or somesuch. 20180527 19:59:44<+discordbot1> and not all demons are foul monsters ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 20180527 19:59:48<+discordbot1> nor are orcs 20180527 20:00:01<+discordbot1> closest thing to a demon that we have in Wesnoth i think is Zhangor 20180527 20:00:03<+discordbot1> and Yechnagoth 20180527 20:00:06<+discordbot1> from UTBS 20180527 20:00:14<+discordbot1> oh and also the Ixthala dude in UTBS 20180527 20:05:45<+discordbot1> which are all under the Demon umbrella in SMland 20180527 20:08:33-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 20:08:37< celticminstrel> @Yumi I'd probably say start_year and end_year unless it's a really short campaign. Just set it to something earlier than TRoW's value. I think only (start_)year is actually used for sorting ATM, end_year doesn't actually do anything IIRC. 20180527 20:08:52< celticminstrel> So it should only take like, ten minutes to do that. :) 20180527 20:11:22<+discordbot1> too bad my campaign is in the universe prior to wesnoth's universe 20180527 20:11:34<+discordbot1> so I'd have to do like 1 million BW 20180527 20:12:30<+discordbot1> oh 20180527 20:13:48<+discordbot1> yo, t' 20180527 20:13:52<+discordbot1> nvm 20180527 20:14:26<+discordbot1> Yechnagoth's nature in UtBS is left deliberately vague. 20180527 20:15:13<+discordbot1> UtBS? 20180527 20:15:21<+discordbot1> Under the Burning Suns. 20180527 20:15:22<+discordbot1> oh, under the burning suns 20180527 20:15:26<+discordbot1> She clearly knows stuff, but what is she? Nobody knows. 20180527 20:15:42<+discordbot1> Yechnagoth is the Eloh goddess imposter thingy. 20180527 20:15:49<+discordbot1> Right? 20180527 20:15:55<+discordbot1> Or do I have that wrong? 20180527 20:16:52<+discordbot1> Man I haven't played through any of the canon campaigns in quite a while... 20180527 20:17:12<+discordbot1> SotA is now canon 20180527 20:17:25<+discordbot1> yeah, thats who yechnagoth is 20180527 20:17:49<+discordbot1> that's why im saying she isnt a demon, just the closest thing we got to one in mainline wesnoth alongside the ixthala (who arent even explored really) 20180527 20:17:55<+discordbot1> and also Zhangor i think 20180527 20:18:22<+discordbot1> I've never played SotA either I think... To be fair I did fall down the LotI hole and those campaigns take absolute ages 20180527 20:21:50< celticminstrel> @Yumi I mean if you want to set it to 1000000 BW you can do that. 20180527 20:22:14< celticminstrel> There is probably a limit on the numbers in involved, mind you. 20180527 20:22:31< celticminstrel> I don't know exactly what it is but I'd guess around 4 billion. 20180527 20:22:42< celticminstrel> Or maybe 2 billion. 20180527 20:22:48< celticminstrel> ...or wait... 20180527 20:22:58<+discordbot1> I don't suppose there'sany other acronym I can use 20180527 20:23:03<+discordbot1> that would put it at the correct place 20180527 20:23:25< celticminstrel> Sorry, there are only four supported acronyms. 20180527 20:23:40< celticminstrel> (The others are for UtBS.) 20180527 20:23:40<+discordbot1> okay 20180527 20:24:00< celticminstrel> (Basically a before/after for the main Wesnoth era and a before/after for the two-suns era.) 20180527 20:27:36<+discordbot1> It doesn't make sense to set a specific number of the amount of time before Wesnoth Genesis takes place. 20180527 20:27:40<+discordbot1> *on the 20180527 20:28:00<+discordbot1> It's almost a different timeline altogether. 20180527 20:34:43<+discordbot1> doesn't seem like I have a choice if I want to place it chronologically tho 20180527 20:35:30<+discordbot1> as far back as BW will allow ๐Ÿค” 20180527 20:35:34< celticminstrel> Yeah, sorry. I didn't even think of this sort of use case. 20180527 20:35:38<+discordbot1> or would that be too much 20180527 20:35:41<+discordbot1> is it like 20180527 20:35:47<+discordbot1> a "before time" scenario? 20180527 20:35:56< celticminstrel> You could probably do someting like... 20180527 20:36:20< celticminstrel> #define YOUR_ERA 20180527 20:36:21< celticminstrel> 0000 BW#enddef 20180527 20:36:38< celticminstrel> And then write (start_)year=55{YOUR_ERA} 20180527 20:36:47< celticminstrel> That'll only work for a "before" type era though. 20180527 20:37:11< celticminstrel> And it doesn't change that it's technically just a large BW, it just... looks different in your _main.cfg. 20180527 20:40:14<+discordbot1> doesn't seem to work 20180527 20:40:27<+discordbot1> perhaps I'm not understanding your code correctly? 20180527 20:41:38< celticminstrel> I dunno. I suppose it's possible that macros can't actually paste tokens together like that? I don't think I've ever tried that kind of thing. 20180527 20:41:55<+discordbot1> by setting year=5 BW 20180527 20:42:00<+discordbot1> it still shows up as after TRoW 20180527 20:42:06<+discordbot1> that doesn't seem right 20180527 20:42:20< celticminstrel> It would need to be a larger number than TRoW. 20180527 20:42:27< celticminstrel> BW is like BCE, larger numbers are earlier. 20180527 20:42:51<+discordbot1> TRoW is 2 BW 20180527 20:42:59< celticminstrel> Ah. 20180527 20:43:01<+discordbot1> start_year is 2 BW 20180527 20:43:05<+discordbot1> end_year is 1 YW 20180527 20:43:31< celticminstrel> So TRoW is showing up first, followed by Genesis? 20180527 20:43:38<+discordbot1> yah 20180527 20:43:59< celticminstrel> Hmm. Sounds like a bug. :/ 20180527 20:44:56<+discordbot1> does the "rank" key have any effect when sorting chronologically? 20180527 20:45:05<+discordbot1> well, I suppose it shouldn't 20180527 20:45:15< celticminstrel> That's a good question. 20180527 20:45:19< celticminstrel> I'm not sure. 20180527 20:45:47<+discordbot1> it looks like it does 20180527 20:45:56<+discordbot1> setting rank=1 puts Genesis at the top of the list 20180527 20:46:05< celticminstrel> I think the logical way would be it only has an effect between campaigns with the same start year. 20180527 20:46:08<+discordbot1> try entering Genesis as 1 BW? 20180527 20:46:16< celticminstrel> That would be wrong though. :P 20180527 20:46:33<+discordbot1> all of the options are wrong 20180527 20:46:45<+discordbot1> Technically. 20180527 20:46:59<+discordbot1> okay, this is my guess 20180527 20:47:08<+discordbot1> the value in front of BW does not matter as to the ordering 20180527 20:47:16<+discordbot1> only that the campaign is "BW" 20180527 20:47:25<+discordbot1> the ordering then depends on the campaign rank 20180527 20:47:28< celticminstrel> Hmm. 20180527 20:47:36< celticminstrel> Well, this does need to be looked into. 20180527 20:47:47< celticminstrel> Do you want to open an issue or shall I do it? 20180527 20:48:31<+discordbot1> I guess I can do it 20180527 20:48:36<+discordbot1> hopefully with all the necessary information 20180527 20:56:30<+discordbot1> now the only problem with setting rank=-1 is that Genesis appears at the very top even without sorting 20180527 20:56:34<+discordbot1> which doesn't look very nice 20180527 21:17:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 21:17:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 21:34:13-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 21:46:55-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 22:27:31-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180527 22:35:41-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180527 22:41:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180527 23:00:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180527 23:38:34-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180527 23:43:59-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-750A-7EA7-87D-9C92.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Mon May 28 00:00:12 2018