--- Log opened Mon May 28 00:00:12 2018 20180528 00:12:07-!- caveman [~caveman@unaffiliated/mahmoud] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 00:12:33< caveman> how strategic is battle of wisnoth? 20180528 00:13:52<+discordbot1> Very. Most of the combat system is strategy and RNG based. 20180528 00:25:32<+discordbot1> Risk management :onesieRelief: 20180528 00:36:51<+discordbot1> It's like Chess, but with RNG 20180528 00:37:02<+discordbot1> Well, not reallyt 20180528 01:00:23< celticminstrel> Heh. 20180528 01:00:28< celticminstrel> Yeah not really. 20180528 01:03:02-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180528 01:03:32-!- GrandApe [~caveman@unaffiliated/mahmoud] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 01:05:25-!- caveman [~caveman@unaffiliated/mahmoud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180528 01:20:49-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 01:46:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 01:46:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 02:36:07<+discordbot1> @Choicerer Well it is 20180528 02:36:29<+discordbot1> although i suppose more like chess960 20180528 02:39:04<+discordbot1> Is there any way to zoom all the way out in the map editor to see the whole thing? 20180528 02:53:45<+discordbot1> There are keybinds for zoom in, zoom out and default zoom 20180528 02:54:07<+discordbot1> I don't remember defaults, because I've changed my keybinds 20180528 02:57:06<+discordbot1> got it thanks 20180528 02:57:20<+discordbot1> super put tat in the wrong chat 10/10 20180528 03:04:45<+discordbot1> Follow up question: Are there any add-ons with additional tiles to build maps with? I couldn't find any 20180528 03:05:19<+discordbot1> archaic resources 20180528 03:07:04<+discordbot1> just the resources and not the other stuff, right? 20180528 03:07:27<+discordbot1> archaic era, as the name implies, is a MP era with some factions 20180528 03:07:44<+discordbot1> mp =? 20180528 03:07:45<+discordbot1> the sounds are just sounds 20180528 03:07:47<+discordbot1> multiplayer' 20180528 03:07:54<+discordbot1> yeah, just get the resources 20180528 03:08:38<+discordbot1> afaik it's the only really complete terrain pack available on 1.14 20180528 03:12:40<+discordbot1> How would one go about making an add-on for more map editor assets? 20180528 03:15:15<+discordbot1> you probably need to look at the code for archaic resources or the resources for To Lands Unknown if you want to do that 20180528 03:15:37<+discordbot1> or ask on the forums, the creators for those add-ons don't use discord very often 20180528 03:16:36<+discordbot1> I guess for terrains, I can only say that you need to draw the base hexes, then you can probably use some of the mainline macros for creating transitions with other terrains (e.g. if you make an alternative water terrain) 20180528 03:17:07<+discordbot1> I'm afraid I don't know how to do multi-hex terrains though 😐 20180528 03:28:44-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 03:28:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 04:54:31< celticminstrel> I think most of the transitions are actually separate images? Though if you're just adding a custom floor or similar you can probably reuse existing transitions... 20180528 04:57:14-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180528 05:23:55-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 05:42:07-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 06:07:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 06:31:38-!- gallaecio [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 07:57:28-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 08:14:14<+discordbot1> In 1.12 there is UMC Terrain Pack. 20180528 08:25:47-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 08:36:35<+discordbot1> "Fixed an issue where the game would have a 50% chance of crashing upon starting The Sceptre of Fire" https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=48265 20180528 08:36:43<+discordbot1> interesting, never had any crashes on that misssion 20180528 08:45:22< zookeeper> probably because the bug was only introduced in... i think 1.13.14 (1.14 RC 3) 20180528 08:54:03<+discordbot1> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180528 09:24:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 09:29:39-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 09:36:34< gfgtdf> i'd also prefer changing that attaks prediction code instad and mostly reverting the hp>0 check otherwise, i also think that the current code has also too many exception: lua unit hp setter can set the unit hp to 0 but unsore_unit cannot. unsore_unit can set in the units hp to below zero in some special cases (also note that that you can still call wesnoth.simulate_combat in those cases and probably crash wesnoth with that.) 20180528 09:37:16-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 09:37:22< zookeeper> gfgtdf, wrong channel... 20180528 09:37:41< gfgtdf> ok i'll jus copy that mssage o the other channnel 20180528 10:30:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 11:11:46-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180528 11:29:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 12:13:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 12:13:16-!- janebot_ [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 12:13:18-!- janebot_ is now known as janebot 20180528 12:49:15-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 13:21:23-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 13:31:51<+discordbot1> I have a question tho 20180528 13:32:09<+discordbot1> after the update, does that mean our former saves and reps are no longer useful 20180528 13:32:25<+discordbot1> It's a stable release. 20180528 13:32:55<+discordbot1> Stable releases of the same branch are mutually compatible (modulo bugs). 20180528 13:32:57<+discordbot1> so these saves and reps are still useable? 20180528 13:33:00<+discordbot1> ok 20180528 13:52:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180528 14:00:09-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 14:40:10-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20180528 14:42:27-!- gallaecio [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180528 14:42:49-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 14:47:12-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180528 14:48:28-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 15:02:31-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 15:04:24-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 15:29:58<+discordbot1> The version downloadable from the site is still the 1.14.1 20180528 15:29:58<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450682141953622036/wesnoth.PNG 20180528 15:33:57<+discordbot1> it was 1.14.2 for me 20180528 15:38:11-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 15:46:28<+discordbot1> The wording is wrong tho 20180528 15:47:21<+discordbot1> try refreshing the page with ctrl+F5 20180528 15:48:25<+discordbot1> Now is fixed. Nice 👍 20180528 16:06:41-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 16:14:17<+discordbot1> Just F5 works. I really should set the cache policy for that page though. 20180528 18:08:30<+discordbot1> Gf kept wrecking me at chess, so we started playing Wesnoth 20180528 18:10:04<+discordbot1> and? 20180528 18:24:24-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 18:32:55<+discordbot1> I'm winning 20180528 18:32:57<+discordbot1> So far 20180528 18:43:58-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180528 19:04:45-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 19:13:39-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180528 19:21:26<+discordbot1> Hi guys I got a questions 20180528 19:21:51<+discordbot1> if I lost the saves, can I resave it at a particular turn when watching replays? 20180528 19:23:03< zookeeper> try it? i seem to recall saves made when watching a replay not working, but i might be mistaken. 20180528 19:24:51<+discordbot1> ah nvm I am retareded... 20180528 19:24:57<+discordbot1> just figured out how to do it lol 20180528 19:25:02<+discordbot1> save is above the load 20180528 19:39:42-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20180528 19:45:51<+discordbot1> Hi guys 20180528 19:45:56<+discordbot1> I somehow found a bug again 20180528 19:46:17<+discordbot1> if you watch rep and save a turn from it to redo the mission and gain a new rep of this scenario 20180528 19:46:45<+discordbot1> your statistics will show two results of the same scenario, regardless the fact that you have already deleted the older reps automatically 20180528 19:46:46-!- JyrkiVesterinen [~JyrkiVest@85-23-197-3.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 19:47:01<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450746834235817984/unknown.png 20180528 19:47:30<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450746945867087903/unknown.png 20180528 19:47:39-!- JyrkiVesterinen [~JyrkiVest@85-23-197-3.bb.dnainternet.fi] has left #wesnoth ["wesnoth"] 20180528 19:48:50<+discordbot1> and besides, footpad maybe OP 20180528 19:49:04<+discordbot1> in PvP it is already one of the most OP bs vs undead somehow 20180528 19:49:16<+discordbot1> and now I found it may be OP in campaigns too lol 20180528 19:49:23<+discordbot1> you only need to spend 14 20180528 19:49:46<+discordbot1> to literally get a 7 speed 32H unit with decent both ranged and melee dmg 20180528 19:49:54<+discordbot1> plus the elusive foot 20180528 19:50:06<+discordbot1> your 32H is actually way higher than it looks like 20180528 19:50:07<+discordbot1> what unit? 20180528 19:50:13<+discordbot1> footpad 20180528 19:50:24<+discordbot1> its way too OP lol 20180528 19:50:33<+discordbot1> footpad has kind of bad ranged/melee, is is strong against undead, but so are dwarvish fighters 20180528 19:50:33<+discordbot1> You can literally beat the whole NR with footpad only 20180528 19:50:37<+discordbot1> non stop massive laming 20180528 19:51:00<+discordbot1> dwarf fighter doesnt have that massive flat terrain defence tho 20180528 19:51:03<+discordbot1> and its mobility 20180528 19:51:11<+discordbot1> plus the 14 price 20180528 19:51:14<+discordbot1> is crazy useful 20180528 19:51:44<+discordbot1> Yeah but dwarfish fighters do literally double the damage. 20180528 19:51:49<+discordbot1> it is 20180528 19:51:54<+discordbot1> prices difference is only 2 20180528 19:51:54<+discordbot1> thats why it is called a fighter 20180528 19:52:02<+discordbot1> I think dwarf 20180528 19:52:08<+discordbot1> is probably best in MP scenarios 20180528 19:52:19<+discordbot1> Can you stop pressing enter so often it really hampers readability. 20180528 19:52:20<+discordbot1> where you can chunk up some weird flat terrain defence items 20180528 19:52:29<+discordbot1> lol 20180528 19:52:41<+discordbot1> Dwarves lose to Undead if they play defensively because walking corpses have no upkeep. 20180528 19:52:53<+discordbot1> yeah, but in pvp play 20180528 19:53:11<+discordbot1> it is still generally accepted fact that knalga>undead 20180528 19:53:21<+discordbot1> you can mass footpod with ulfersker 20180528 19:53:41<+discordbot1> it is cheaper than UD's legitimate combo, and even faster 20180528 19:54:04<+discordbot1> What is UD's legitimate counter, in your eyes? 20180528 19:54:22<+discordbot1> It probably used to rely on ghosts to lame Ulf 20180528 19:54:38<+discordbot1> but I didnt touch the game for ages, so I am not sure how the meta evolves these years 20180528 19:54:44<+discordbot1> maybe ske spam is doable 20180528 19:54:54<+discordbot1> ske is better than ghosts in many ways tho 20180528 19:54:55<+discordbot1> Consider: Walking corpses are highly spammable. 20180528 19:55:00<+discordbot1> Main downside is their lack of ZoC 20180528 19:55:18<+discordbot1> highly spammable vs orcs, which has low dps and high upkeep pressure in mid late games 20180528 19:55:34<+discordbot1> but vs knalga...meh survive the early game first 20180528 19:55:42-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 19:56:26<+discordbot1> I wouldn't even call footpads a hardcounter to skeletons, more like a softcounter, the main benefit they have is a ranged attack, but in melee they lose to skeletons 20180528 19:56:33<+discordbot1> that and of course having traits 20180528 19:57:58<+discordbot1> Two walking corpses (which cost as much as a footpad + 2 turns of upkeep) could easily beat a footpad if it weren't for the fact that footpads can run away, but that's not really a very agressive way to solve such issues. 20180528 19:58:20<+discordbot1> its not a hard counter, but it is way too easy to use footies to survive the early game and force UD to play late games with you 20180528 19:58:25<+discordbot1> which becomes x2 harder 20180528 19:58:39<+discordbot1> Northener and UD are strongest in the ultra late game 20180528 19:59:06<+discordbot1> UD meh...the late game is OP vs orcs but vs other factions is arguable 20180528 20:00:04<+discordbot1> your normal kind of units do not gain speed or armor buff with the kills you gain 20180528 20:00:14<+discordbot1> only thing you can lame forever is the eco, with corpses 20180528 20:00:28<+discordbot1> which sux if the opponent is smart enough to keep their numbers 20180528 20:01:01<+discordbot1> The fact that you win eco means they are forced on the agressive 20180528 20:01:16<+discordbot1> UD units just generally too expensive in some terms 20180528 20:01:22<+discordbot1> ghosts exceptionally 20180528 20:01:30<+discordbot1> and ske fighter 20180528 20:01:32<+discordbot1> dat 15 cost 20180528 20:01:36<+discordbot1> I dont get it over years 20180528 20:01:47<+discordbot1> its not better in any terms than elf or human lul 20180528 20:01:59<+discordbot1> it is better than elf actually 20180528 20:02:03<+discordbot1> because it has chaotic 20180528 20:02:12<+discordbot1> and human well spearman vs skeleton fighter is a joke 20180528 20:02:19<+discordbot1> you have no additional trait buff, move slow af 20180528 20:02:29<+discordbot1> then again when fighting humans you nearly have skeletons as mainstay 20180528 20:02:33<+discordbot1> yeah, but in PvP play the landscape is a bit different 20180528 20:02:42<+discordbot1> you vs AI the ske can be good tanks 20180528 20:02:52<+discordbot1> but vs humans they go horse mage spam 20180528 20:03:08<+discordbot1> with even spear to take down your adepts 20180528 20:03:35<+discordbot1> problem is, the archer only costs 14, and is equally or more effective 20180528 20:03:58<+discordbot1> so people these days go archer spam more, instead of going the traditionally main fighter ske axe 20180528 20:04:09<+discordbot1> archer > horse and good resistence, too 20180528 20:04:23<+discordbot1> plus the cheapness and relatively better punishment if human go HI 20180528 20:04:31<+discordbot1> which is also a joke...no use go HI lol 20180528 20:05:40<+discordbot1> but meh I think UD vs Loyalists is generally fine, maybe humans are even weaker after the 1.08's horse nerf 20180528 20:06:01<+discordbot1> problem is mainly UD vs other factions, which sux differently 20180528 20:06:30<+discordbot1> vs Drakes, the massive cold pressure, with adepts alone as both tanks and dmg and just everything adpets 20180528 20:07:04<+discordbot1> vs Knalga, you lose to Hodor in general, with even more choice they have to maul you like Ulf or Fighters 20180528 20:07:09-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180528 20:07:17<+discordbot1> vs Elf you gonna take huge pain to cut trees 20180528 20:07:53<+discordbot1> vs Orc, corpse+better dmg per 3-hexes conventional pressure makes it hard for them to handle 20180528 21:08:25-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 21:33:56-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6FC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 21:51:29-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180528 21:56:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180528 21:57:57-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 22:01:21<+discordbot1> I did it! Wounder Sargent is mine! 20180528 22:01:22<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450780636005793802/unknown.png 20180528 22:05:32<+discordbot1> I will update when I turn him into a Marshal 20180528 22:38:34<+discordbot1> Warven's a pretty cool boi. 20180528 22:38:46<+discordbot1> You just get him very late in the campaign. 20180528 22:39:13<+discordbot1> But if you can advance him to a GM, he can be very useful in the final fight. 20180528 22:47:50-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180528 22:52:04-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20180528 23:18:27-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180528 23:35:40-!- GrandApe [~caveman@unaffiliated/mahmoud] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180528 23:40:50<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/450805677036929024/unknown.png 20180528 23:40:51<+discordbot1> took a while 20180528 23:44:58<+discordbot1> *crying in nostalgia after finishing the campaign for the 1001th time** 20180528 23:45:28-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6FC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180528 23:51:04-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Tue May 29 00:00:13 2018