--- Log opened Wed May 30 00:00:14 2018 20180530 00:11:27-!- Amany [~gaspar@194.182.72.59] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 00:11:42-!- Amany [~gaspar@194.182.72.59] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 00:37:45-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wcmbwxymuzwxmsrx] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180530 00:38:02-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upalhxaxxdlwiatd] has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 20180530 00:47:34-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180530 00:52:01-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 01:05:59-!- desttinghim[m] [desttinghi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vtfzcssjlghkitix] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 01:06:07-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 01:32:07-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 01:43:16-!- gfgtdf_ [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180530 01:44:13-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 01:49:44-!- madmax28 [madmax28ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cpfhbebgsnzaexow] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 02:35:17-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180530 02:39:42<+discordbot4> does anyone know how to view only one side's k/d stats? 20180530 02:40:01<+discordbot4> I am seeing all units lost for every side 20180530 02:41:34<+discordbot4> example 20180530 02:41:34<+discordbot4> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/451213537713324032/Untitled.png 20180530 02:46:46<+discordbot4> inflicted/taken always the same. I was playing orc in this matchup. 20180530 02:46:46<+discordbot4> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/451214843949744138/orc.png 20180530 03:15:05-!- ToBeFree [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180530 03:16:35<+discordbot4> that's been reported 20180530 03:16:36<+discordbot4> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48156&p=628174&hilit=statistics#p628174 20180530 03:17:18<+discordbot4> I'm not sure if someone has submitted an issue on github, though, so it may not really be on devs' radar 20180530 03:23:30-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180530 04:30:00-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180530 04:38:19-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 05:12:58-!- namad7 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-158-242.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180530 05:15:45-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 05:19:16-!- namad7 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-158-242.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 05:47:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 05:52:31-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180530 05:54:44-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 06:13:04-!- gallaecio [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 06:22:01-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 06:27:05-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180530 06:33:34<+discordbot4> Wesnoth makes my laptop lag and almost overheat, but I don't see that it's using a lot of CPU power. 20180530 06:52:35<+discordbot4> Have you cleared it recently (I mean physically, to make sure there is no dust buildup and blocking the airflow inside)? CPU will automatically slow down if it's overheating (although you would still see it as 100% CPU usage in Windows task manager). 20180530 07:08:37-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180530 07:09:04-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 07:09:25-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180530 07:10:01-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 07:10:13-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180530 07:10:47-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 07:11:00-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180530 07:11:32-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 07:11:47-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180530 07:27:07<+discordbot4> no 20180530 07:27:21<+discordbot4> but I don't have the same problem for other applications 20180530 07:30:06<+discordbot4> Google Chrome uses more CPU than Wesnoth, so does Warcraft III. I can run both of those, although it will eventually cause lag I can usually switch back and forth or close one during peak usage. It's really hard to switch between Wesnoth and other apps. Sometimes when I use alt+tab it switches the focus to an app behind Wesnoth, but Wesnoth remains on top in fullscreen. 20180530 07:53:24<+discordbot4> hmm, the next thing that comes to my mind is RAM. How much do you have? It is possible that your system is running out of space on RAM and is using harddrive to supplement it, which is normal, but hard drive is several orders of magnitude slower, so if it happens a lot, it can result in lagging. 20180530 07:54:45<+discordbot4> Using the hard drive would cause lag but not overheating. 20180530 07:59:05<+discordbot4> oh ok, so it would cause unit animations to be choppy if the game was reading from the disk? 20180530 07:59:19<+discordbot4> Yes, it would. 20180530 08:02:48<+discordbot4> all the more reason to buy an SSD on my next purchase... 20180530 08:03:21<+discordbot4> It would be better to buy more RAM instead, averting the need to read from disk. 20180530 08:03:38<+discordbot4> (Except when new images are being loaded, obviously.) 20180530 08:04:33<+discordbot4> ok 20180530 08:05:11<+discordbot4> but does Wesnoth really use 4GB of RAM? 20180530 08:05:44<+discordbot4> I'm in a game right now and disk usage is around 5% 20180530 08:06:35<+discordbot4> oh I see, Wesnoth uses way more memory than Chrome 20180530 08:08:00<+discordbot4> if you have more than a few tabs open, chrome probably uses way more memory than wesnoth in most circumstances. 20180530 08:08:38<+discordbot4> wesnoth is also limited to ~2 GBs on Windows as well 20180530 08:09:13<+discordbot4> Let's see. I currently have eight tabs open in Vivaldi (Chrome-based browser), and it's using about 1100 MB. 20180530 08:09:40<+discordbot4> That high memory usage is pretty much worst-case scenario for Wesnoth. 20180530 08:15:02<+discordbot4> Well, right now my system actively uses 4 GB RAM, 1 of that is browser, other apps use a bit over 500 MBs, the rest is system (win 10). So it is possible that if Wesnoth uses 2 GB, that plus the system might actually go over 4 GBs, especially if you have any other apps in the background. 20180530 08:17:08<+discordbot4> Correct, but if Wesnoth is at the foreground, the OS should page out memory from other programs such as the browser instead. 20180530 08:17:14<+discordbot4> In the past I used RamMap to get more detailed info about how memory is used in Windows, but that app seem to not work correctly anymore... 20180530 08:17:37<+discordbot4> Yes, it should, but humpty mentioned alt-tabbing, so it would force Windows to switch it back and forth 20180530 08:18:08<+discordbot4> Also, about the alt-tabbing issue - it in general works much better if you use Wesnoth in windowed mode, not in fullscreen. 20180530 08:18:56<+discordbot4> When did you last test Alt-Tab in fullscreen? 20180530 08:19:32<+discordbot4> Starting from 1.14.0, Wesnoth no longer uses exclusive fullscreen mode. Its fullscreen mode is just a regular window with borders disabled that covers the entire screen. 20180530 08:22:01<+discordbot4> Borderless window, really? The setting should clearly state that then. I need to test it. But I just got back to Wesnoth after Steam release and I think I did have some issues similar to what humpty described here. I'll recheck that (I was playing only in regular windowed mode recently). 20180530 08:23:01<+discordbot4> Nah, I think it's not the job of the UI to specify how fullscreen mode is technically implemented. 20180530 08:23:07<+discordbot4> I think it is. 20180530 08:23:25<+discordbot4> The distinction between fullscreen and borderless windowed actually comes up pretty often for people recording or streaming games. 20180530 08:23:41<+discordbot4> I have played many games which have an option called "fullscreen" without specifying that it's implemented as borderless window. 20180530 08:24:04<+discordbot4> That doesn't mean we can't do better than them. 20180530 08:24:06<+discordbot4> A lot of games have both fullscreen and borderless window modes, I think UI should specify that. 20180530 08:24:24<+discordbot4> I mean, what does it hurt to specify it. 20180530 08:24:40<+discordbot4> Anyway, I tested it and indeed you are right, alt-tabbing works well. 20180530 08:24:45<+discordbot4> borderless window is better 20180530 08:25:10<+discordbot4> for switching 20180530 08:25:12<+discordbot4> right? 20180530 08:25:12<+discordbot4> In general yes, though they can produce some issues in some edge cases. 20180530 08:25:19<+discordbot4> yes 20180530 08:25:40<+discordbot4> I have had issues when launching the app or starting a game 20180530 08:25:52<+discordbot4> but it's not so bad during a game 20180530 08:26:32<+discordbot4> if I just joined the lobby I have to click on the lobby to set the focus, and then I can use alt+tab 20180530 08:26:44<+discordbot4> otherwise it will remain on top of other windows 20180530 08:28:37<+discordbot4> not really sure how to explain it better than that 20180530 08:29:10<+discordbot4> That sounds like it could be the not enough RAM thing. 20180530 08:29:16<+discordbot4> I guess so 20180530 08:29:23<+discordbot4> slowing down the system when the game loads 20180530 08:30:03<+discordbot4> well for now I am using a small fan blowing on the laptop 20180530 08:30:32<+discordbot4> and I balance the laptop on a box of floss to increase airflow underneath it. 20180530 08:32:44<+discordbot4> even if I have a shortage of RAM, there might be some kind of CPU throttling that comes with battery saving settings 20180530 08:33:00-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 08:33:47<+discordbot4> I'm not trying to run the game on a PC with 2GB RAM, although I think Wesnoth could easily run on that 8 years ago. 20180530 08:34:53<+discordbot4> celticminstrel: [kill] animate=yes also scrolls to units through fog (and probably shroud as well). 20180530 08:35:06<+discordbot4> Even that would probably be enough if you were exclusively playing Wesnoth, and not alt-tabbing to Chrome in the middle. 20180530 08:35:17<+discordbot4> Wait, wrong chat for what I just said. 20180530 08:35:33<+discordbot4> yes 20180530 08:36:00<+discordbot4> does anyone know if pk or a guy will be joining Wesnoth 1.14? 20180530 08:36:34<+discordbot4> There are a lot of guys joining Wesnoth 1.14. 20180530 08:36:43<+discordbot4> I reckon you mean PsychoticKittens and A_Guy? 20180530 08:36:46<+discordbot4> yeah 20180530 08:36:56<+discordbot4> No idea, haven't heard of either for years. 20180530 08:38:26<+discordbot4> A Guy was last around in February 2014, pk in April 2016. 20180530 09:20:41-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180530 09:27:48-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 09:33:48-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 10:02:13-!- Smedles_ [~quassel@58.174.140.179] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 10:05:21-!- Smedles [~quassel@101.166.201.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180530 10:22:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 10:28:40-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180530 10:28:59-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 10:46:33-!- Smedles_ [~quassel@58.174.140.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180530 10:49:59-!- Smedles [~quassel@58.174.161.186] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 10:53:03-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 10:55:07-!- norbert [~norbert@unaffiliated/norbert] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 10:55:30< norbert> hi, short question, which package should I remove on a Debian/Ubuntu-like GNU/Linux to get rid of the wesnothd deamon? 20180530 10:57:04< Ravana_> wesnothd is mp server, and it is not running unless you start it yourself 20180530 10:58:01< norbert> do you know which package I should remove to get rid of it? 20180530 11:01:53< norbert> I removed wesnoth* and that fixed it :) 20180530 11:01:54-!- norbert [~norbert@unaffiliated/norbert] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180530 11:03:16< Rhonda> where is norbert Oo 20180530 11:03:27< Rhonda> It's wesnoth-server* 20180530 11:03:49< Rhonda> erm, wesnoth-*server (wildcard at the wrong place. :) 20180530 11:05:07-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 11:17:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 11:21:29< gfgtdf> i wonder why anyone would want to get rid of it in the firs place? its a 6 mp file (at least on windows) that ofc does nothing unless executed. 20180530 11:26:49< gfgtdf> ok now i really don't get it my lua version of the mapgen https://pastebin.com/fRDu1Ztt is a line-by line port of the mainline mapgen (i even added silly things like '+ 0.0') but it somehow behves differently 20180530 11:43:17< Rhonda> duh 20180530 11:43:35< Rhonda> gfgtdf: … well … I just did an apt-get install wesnoth-1.12-server, and it's started. 20180530 11:43:45< Rhonda> … I believe I have turned that off though. 20180530 11:44:24< gfgtdf> hmm ok i actually only know how it behves on windows 20180530 12:00:00< gfgtdf> oh ok i found my bug, i had somehere math.ceil instead of math.floor 20180530 12:00:05<+discordbot4> Debian automatic enables systemd unit files if there are any in a package. 20180530 12:32:04-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 12:42:47-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180530 12:48:59< loonycyborg> is there a way to stop this behavior? 20180530 12:49:18< loonycyborg> because I think it should be installed by default but not started 20180530 12:49:51< loonycyborg> it needs to be installed because "host networked game" options works by starting it 20180530 12:51:25< loonycyborg> but most ppl if they want to run wesnothd via service would do it only on one of their machines and will do manually via systemctl enable if they wish 20180530 13:37:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 13:37:13-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 14:10:27-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 14:33:33<+discordbot4> I could imagine it, but I don't know if there is an option to set the default in the deb package. 20180530 14:34:05-!- gallaecio [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180530 14:34:15-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 14:34:46<+discordbot4> Rhonda should know, she's the Debian packager for Wesnoth. 20180530 14:36:14-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180530 14:48:35<+discordbot4> https://askubuntu.com/questions/746094/how-to-package-a-systemd-service?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa Ignoring the question, the two answers may be helpful 20180530 14:53:25-!- gallaecio_ [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 14:53:38-!- gallaecio [~quassel@143.red-81-32-24.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180530 14:57:48< Rhonda> jyrkive, emphasis on *should* xD 20180530 15:02:21< Rhonda> I guess I got it. "dh_system_enable --no-enable" in an override_dh_system_enable: section should do it … 20180530 15:06:47< Rhonda> Ah, and dh_systemd_start --no-start :) 20180530 15:37:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 15:37:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 15:44:25-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 15:49:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 15:49:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 15:55:16-!- gallaecio_ [~quassel@220.red-79-150-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 15:56:44-!- Guest33538 [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Quit: Though to our health we drank a thousand times, it's time to ramble on.] 20180530 15:56:51-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth 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20180530 17:41:39-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548552BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 18:23:08< sevu> Rhonda, this could be used for the unit https://bpaste.net/show/07c9d7b5e9a1 20180530 18:59:36-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 19:44:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 19:44:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 19:52:21-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548552BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20180530 20:11:46-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1B54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 20:12:11-!- Guest79618 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 20:20:13-!- Guest79618 is now known as Haudegen 20180530 20:39:21-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180530 21:10:24-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180530 21:20:00-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 21:25:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 21:25:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 21:49:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180530 21:49:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180530 21:58:57-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180530 22:43:29-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180530 22:46:57-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180530 23:01:49<+discordbot4> hey dude I have a question 20180530 23:01:55<+discordbot4> @Vultraz 20180530 23:02:13<+discordbot4> I saw that you have reduced the money across the whole NR 20180530 23:02:17<+discordbot4> which is actually a good thing 20180530 23:02:31<+discordbot4> but the final scenario you are vs 4 AI with actually same amount of gold 20180530 23:02:59<+discordbot4> each has 2500 so it is still 12500 20180530 23:03:08<+discordbot4> plus the horde of loyal T3 units they have 20180530 23:03:19<+discordbot4> the final scenario is still going to be a massive stomp tbh 20180530 23:03:22<+discordbot4> 😂 20180530 23:03:50<+discordbot4> can you reduce their income and starting gold a bit so the scenario doesnt cost you ages to beat 20180530 23:04:13<+discordbot4> The Easten Flank took me like 5 total hours to beat because there were way too many units 20180530 23:04:25<+discordbot4> main reason because AI has crazy amount of starting income 20180530 23:04:34<+discordbot4> I think 5 AI each has +57 20180530 23:04:54<+discordbot4> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/451521405159473172/unknown.png 20180530 23:05:07<+discordbot4> this literally took 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