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^ 20180625 05:42:25<+discordbot2> gui/dialogs/advanced_graphics_options.hpp ? 20180625 05:42:48<+discordbot2> and cpp yes 20180625 05:45:49< irker751> wesnoth: Martin Hrubý (hrubymar10) wesnoth:master fe8e1ce39746 / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Fix Xcode project after dd69107c9b03017ccf2eb586dfbee158f816659d https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fe8e1ce3974683d6974ac399e4e3720db0a3284d 20180625 05:45:57<+discordbot2> Done 20180625 05:47:58<+discordbot2> Ty 20180625 05:50:07-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180625 06:04:06< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3147be87718d / src/tests/gui/test_gui2.cpp: Fixup 862b086 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3147be87718d5685dc41dd73256692268c41b6e6 20180625 06:20:41-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 06:33:35< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang cd3c13aca2 Cleaned up addon loading process AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 06:54:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 06:58:40-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-87-21-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 06:58:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#18691 (master - 3147be8 : Charles Dang): The build passed. 20180625 06:58:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/396257677 20180625 06:58:41-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-87-21-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20180625 07:10:41< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master fbcdec714267 / src/game_initialization/ (lobby_data.cpp lobby_data.hpp): Lobby Data: removed unused era_short field https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fbcdec7142678829db8ffc80f8ec3cc2092a8ca8 20180625 07:28:11-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 07:38:05-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180625 07:38:51< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master b40c666ad223 / src/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Convert a bunch of C-style arrays to std::array https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b40c666ad22328c992038b515573a9b5f1ae5a25 20180625 07:48:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 07:48:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 07:52:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 07:57:06-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 08:33:57-!- fabi_ [~fabi@mue-88-130-62-102.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 08:40:28-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 08:45:27-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 08:50:11-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 09:00:49-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 09:01:51-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 09:06:30-!- fabi_ [~fabi@mue-88-130-62-102.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 09:07:27-!- fabi [~fabi@200116b82b27e8003d556ac66f491a47.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 09:07:27-!- fabi [~fabi@200116b82b27e8003d556ac66f491a47.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180625 09:07:27-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 09:24:28< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Charles Dang 5bf8cbcb94 Swapped the first watch and second watch AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 09:33:21-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180625 10:09:46<+discordbot2> @shadowm sorry to tag you for that, but seems like there is a spammer at the forums with 25 post / 10 min.... (I guess you havebetter means than removing all threads manually) 20180625 10:10:25<+discordbot2> Solved. 20180625 10:10:40<+discordbot2> thx 20180625 10:11:04<+discordbot2> Although it said there was an error... which I'm not happy about. 20180625 10:11:51<+discordbot2> Hopefully just a temporary issue with SFS because otherwise it seems to have done the job. 20180625 10:12:28<+discordbot2> maybe he was sending the next post and it failed ^^ 20180625 10:36:50-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 10:50:33-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180625 10:51:46-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 10:59:21-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ixnnzyyvgcblgcld] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 10:59:33< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.14 3cd53e2d3856 / data/gui/window/unit_advance.cfg: Unit Advance: left-align header https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3cd53e2d38562408b1d2da4b383cef506bb8e902 20180625 10:59:58< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 893860321a8d / data/gui/window/unit_advance.cfg: Unit Advance: left-align header https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/893860321a8da181164782b13a931b6c61f5febd 20180625 11:28:37-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 11:49:02< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.14 4fb08560562a / data/core/images/misc/time-schedules/default/ (schedule-firstwatch.png schedule-secondwatch.png): Revert "Swapped the first watch and second watch ToD graphics" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4fb08560562a81e758599cb0511c801f11c3e070 20180625 11:49:37< irker751> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 0aa60a7b4cc3 / data/core/images/misc/time-schedules/default/ (schedule-firstwatch.png schedule-secondwatch.png): Revert "Swapped the first watch and second watch ToD graphics" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0aa60a7b4cc3492f9d84c765f6218f00aee8830e 20180625 11:56:13< Rhonda> Which tool did yield the better results, optipng or pngcrush? 20180625 11:56:24<+discordbot2> doesn't one use the other 20180625 11:58:28<+discordbot2> No, they're independent. 20180625 11:58:30< zookeeper> zopflipng <3 20180625 11:58:45<+discordbot2> Here is a comparison of PNG compression tools: https://www.raymond.cc/blog/4-free-tools-to-optimize-and-compress-png-images-without-loosing-quality/ 20180625 12:01:09<+discordbot2> @zookeeper wasn't that the tool that did this https://www.dropbox.com/s/hec50blqq04xdpz/wesnoth1.13%2Bdev%20post-image%20compress.png?dl=0 20180625 12:01:48< zookeeper> no, wesnoth did that 20180625 12:02:10<+discordbot2> it happened after an image compression run by some tool 20180625 12:02:15< zookeeper> i know 20180625 12:02:35<+discordbot2> Yeah, but the Wesnoth engine is to blame for that. Not the compression tool. 20180625 12:02:48<+discordbot2> I wonder what the issue was, then 20180625 12:03:53< zookeeper> (in any case, i did create a modified zopflipng for myself which always outputs 32-bit, because it's annoying when the output format varies in a sequence of images) 20180625 12:03:57<+discordbot2> Maybe ignoring transparency, or failing to detect that the image uses indexed colors. 20180625 12:04:45<+discordbot2> zookeeper: You aware that zopflipng isn't supposed to be used on its own, but after a different image optimizer? 20180625 12:05:15< zookeeper> actually, no 20180625 12:05:39<+discordbot2> From its readme ( https://github.com/subzey/zopfli-png ): 20180625 12:05:45<+discordbot2> "Please note that neither pixel data, not filters applied to image data are not changed. This script may be treated mostly like DeflOpt replacement. That means, PngOUT or other PNG compressing tools must be applied before this one." 20180625 12:06:55< zookeeper> i think i need a translation of what "neither pixel data, not filters applied to image data are not changed" means 20180625 12:07:59<+discordbot2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Compression 20180625 12:08:17<+discordbot2> Zopflipng only deals with the second stage, the DEFLATE compression. 20180625 12:08:46<+discordbot2> Optimizations are also possible in the filtering stage. Used on its own, zopflipng loses to other PNG optimizers. 20180625 12:09:02< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang 3147be8771 Fixup 862b086 AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 12:10:07< zookeeper> i don't know, i've gotten some great results with it 20180625 12:12:26< zookeeper> although i'd be interested in seeing the difference 20180625 12:14:29< Rhonda> jyrkive, right - but I remember that we switched from either optipng to pngcrush or the other way round in wesnoth, I just can't remember anymore which way. 20180625 12:15:32<+discordbot2> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReleasingWesnoth says to use optipng, so it's apparently the current one. 20180625 12:19:22< zookeeper> @jyrkive actually it's this one i got: https://github.com/google/zopfli/ maybe it's different 20180625 12:21:52<+discordbot2> Indeed, looks like Google's zopflipng tries filter compression as well. 20180625 12:21:53<+discordbot2> https://github.com/google/zopfli/blob/master/src/zopflipng/zopflipng_bin.cc#L107-L119 20180625 12:23:07-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20180625 12:25:03-!- fabi [~fabi@200116b82b27e8006def876f9847e213.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 12:25:03-!- fabi [~fabi@200116b82b27e8006def876f9847e213.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180625 12:25:03-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 12:29:20< Ravana_> created addon that fixes #1905, creating appropriate icon for publishing now 20180625 12:30:03<+discordbot2> ....really? 20180625 12:30:34< Ravana_> not really difficult to add additional binary path and run the command mentioned in issue 20180625 12:30:55<+discordbot2> alright 20180625 12:31:00<+discordbot2> good enough solution, I guess 20180625 12:34:02<+discordbot2> Huh? Addons aren't allowed to run arbitrary shell code (and thus can't rename or edit Wesnoth's core files). 20180625 12:34:21<+discordbot2> Unless the addon comes with a script that the player has to run manually or something. 20180625 12:47:38-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 12:49:03< Ravana_> I think http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1529930856.png looks good enough for that icon 20180625 12:53:20< Ravana_> uploaded 20180625 12:53:45< Ravana_> I guess I need to advertise it directly for those involved in the discussion since issue is locked 20180625 12:54:17<+discordbot2> they can still read it 20180625 12:54:28< Ravana_> yes, but I can't post it 20180625 12:54:34<+discordbot2> We can send something to the issue if you want. 20180625 12:58:02< Ravana_> Ravana created addon "Mirror Schedule Images" that when installed, loads mirrored time of day images instead. 20180625 12:59:26<+discordbot2> I suppose this means I don't have to worry about the issue again. 20180625 12:59:35<+discordbot2> Done (with minor modifications): https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1905#issuecomment-399942901 20180625 13:02:16<+discordbot2> thanks Ravana, that sounds really good 20180625 13:03:07< Ravana_> it makes use of current behavior of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/3136, which is not that reliable, but should work for now 20180625 13:03:32-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lsxwyntovilfpwrp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 13:06:17-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ixnnzyyvgcblgcld] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180625 13:13:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:13:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 13:15:34-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180625 13:21:03-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 13:30:18-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:33:45-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180625 13:42:57-!- timotei_ [~timotei@188.26.72.187] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 13:42:57-!- timotei_ [~timotei@188.26.72.187] has quit [Changing host] 20180625 13:42:57-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 13:47:41<+discordbot2> Is there something which I missed and could be done about https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/3114#issuecomment-399936663 (maybe see the picture first) 20180625 14:08:53< zookeeper> are you really sure that the sighted event doesn't fire in both cases? 20180625 14:20:03< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang b40c666ad2 Convert a bunch of C-style arrays to std AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 14:54:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 14:54:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 15:32:15-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-nzkfqkgvkcgcwhuj] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 15:32:21-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lsxwyntovilfpwrp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180625 15:40:47-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 16:44:40-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20180625 16:46:03< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:master DisherProject c7fd28e449 Fix weapon specials marked as inactive AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 16:47:45-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-nzkfqkgvkcgcwhuj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180625 16:49:25-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cbqcbjurmslqlfwa] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 16:53:58-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 16:57:23-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 17:17:26-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 17:40:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 17:40:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 18:15:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 18:26:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 18:27:26-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 18:33:27<+discordbot2> The problem is that they all fire at the beginning of the game, as the AI sides play without fog (and in case they would it would only work if they don't share vision either) 20180625 18:35:11-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 18:38:17< zookeeper> no they don't? not for me, anyway. 20180625 18:38:46-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cbqcbjurmslqlfwa] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180625 18:44:08<+discordbot2> Ah, no they don't. To adress the issue I (locally) swapped the sides in the sighted event, and then they do... 20180625 18:48:25-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 18:50:44-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180625 19:07:02< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Charles Dang 4fb0856056 Revert "Swapped the first watch and seco AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 19:12:33-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 19:16:55-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 19:48:04< zookeeper> @sevu well yeah, if you swap the sides then they naturally will (and should) trigger immediately at scenario start 20180625 20:06:58-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 20:07:10-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 20:24:29-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 20:35:04<+discordbot2> That far I got. And I more or less came to the conclusion that it's not possible to work around. 20180625 20:38:56-!- zookeeper_ [~lmsnie@95.175.104.65] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 20:39:03-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20180625 20:39:18-!- zookeeper_ is now known as zookeeper 20180625 20:39:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@95.175.104.65] has quit [Changing host] 20180625 20:39:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 20:41:21< zookeeper> @sevu i don't even understand what the bug is. 20180625 20:42:35< zookeeper> all i see when i end turn is that, among other stuff, an orange skeleton archer moves. no one's telling me what's wrong with that or what "triggered" means. 20180625 20:42:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 20:43:11-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 20:44:26<+discordbot2> He posted the wrong save, it happens a turn earlier. What is to see in that turn is on the screenshot. Ideally the alarm should not be raised when the skeleton enters your vision area but when he comes close. But I would not count it as a bug. 20180625 20:47:37< zookeeper> why should it not be? 20180625 20:50:14<+discordbot2> It's not ideal as it's basically a disadvantage if the player explored much, and the skeleton enters the area, while not even a players unit needs no be anywhere close. 20180625 20:51:30<+discordbot2> It's not a bug though as they just may otherwise have noticed the intruders... and there are other real bugs which deserve that wording more. 20180625 20:55:17< zookeeper> okay, i see. and yeah, doesn't sound like a serious issue, especially when if it was "fixed", maybe you could potentially delay the triggering by running away from the orange unit(s) (which you might see coming if you had explored much). 20180625 21:02:46< gfgtdf> i dont know this exact context, but i feel like too often in wesnoth sigheted events but also some moveto event punish players for scouting, which in worst case force people to reload or even to look at the source of the scenario to see what you did 'wrong' 20180625 21:03:26<+discordbot2> what, like spawning enemies on-sighted 20180625 21:03:46< gfgtdf> yes 20180625 21:06:45-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 21:10:01< zookeeper> well, if you for example spawn enemies as a result of any player action, then it's always possible to reload and game the system, or for it to happen at a really bad moment. 20180625 21:10:55< zookeeper> there's no way to completely avoid that, all you can do is make the spawns (or whatever it is) such that they can't result in immediate disaster 20180625 21:22:44-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180625 21:34:32< irker751> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Charles Dang 0aa60a7b4c Revert "Swapped the first watch and seco AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180625 22:16:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 22:16:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 22:41:47-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 22:42:45-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 23:26:27-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20180625 23:27:52-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 23:32:55-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 23:36:16-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180625 23:54:51-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180625 23:59:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 23:59:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Tue Jun 26 00:00:08 2018