--- Log opened Sun Jun 17 00:00:00 2018 20180617 00:01:18<+discordbot2> Because the idea existed but there was lack of coordination. 20180617 00:02:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 00:06:21<+discordbot2> #BEHIND_ENEMY_LINEZ d:-) 20180617 00:06:21<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/457697461461319704/unknown.png 20180617 00:08:36<+discordbot2> and then there's that one orc 20180617 00:11:03<+discordbot2> ...why would you do this 20180617 00:14:15<+discordbot2> Welcome to hell 20180617 00:14:42<+discordbot2> This is just a puzzle game 20180617 00:14:48<+discordbot2> where you try to find a way to move the orc around 20180617 00:16:01<+discordbot2> What on earth. 20180617 00:16:19<+discordbot2> I'm guessing you spawned all those in using debug mode. 20180617 00:16:41<+discordbot2> I think that's the last scenario of The Sceptre of Fire 20180617 00:16:46<+discordbot2> it auto recalls all your units 20180617 00:17:01<+discordbot2> D: 20180617 00:17:03<+discordbot2> or, well, one of the later ones, I forget if it's the very last one 20180617 00:17:12<+discordbot2> so in theory you could just use all your gold to recruit lvl 1s 20180617 00:17:15<+discordbot2> and it'll do that 20180617 00:17:56< celticminstrel> WHYYY WOULD YOU RECALL EVERY UNIT THAT'S JUST DUUUUMB 20180617 00:18:04<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿคท 20180617 00:18:08<+discordbot2> You know in theory you could achieve the same thing in IftU. 20180617 00:18:28<+discordbot2> You just need to get a Necromancer and bop as many people as you can in the head and keep their zombies alive. 20180617 00:18:38<+discordbot2> I tend to do that with bats. 20180617 00:18:39<+discordbot2> [event] name=start [recall] id=Thursagan [/recall] [recall] id=Baglur [/recall] [recall] id=Krawg [/recall] [store_unit] [filter] side=1 x,y=recall,recall [/filter] kill=no variable=to_be_recalled [/store_unit] [foreach] 20180617 00:18:40<+discordbot2> array=to_be_recalled [do] [recall] id=$this_item.id [/recall] [/do] [/foreach] 20180617 00:18:46<+discordbot2> yep 20180617 00:19:23< celticminstrel> What's Yumi's emoji 20180617 00:19:30<+discordbot2> shrug 20180617 00:19:40<+discordbot2> I feel like you ask this every day lol 20180617 00:19:47<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ™ƒ 20180617 00:19:53< celticminstrel> Probably nearly every day, yeah. 20180617 00:20:11< celticminstrel> Since my emoji font is outdated. 20180617 00:20:21<+discordbot2> I wonder what it looks like for you 20180617 00:20:21-!- nemaara [442bb2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.43.178.231] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 00:20:27<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿคท 20180617 00:20:35< celticminstrel> The ones that don't show up are just a box (including both of the last two). 20180617 00:20:38<+discordbot2> works for me ๐Ÿค” 20180617 00:20:48< celticminstrel> Some of them work for me though. 20180617 00:20:54< nemaara> I wonder if it works both ways? 20180617 00:20:57< nemaara> :shrug: 20180617 00:20:59< celticminstrel> Like the thumb ones for example. 20180617 00:21:16< celticminstrel> No if you're doing it in IRC you need to enter the actual Unicode character, I presume. 20180617 00:21:22<+discordbot2> it does work actually 20180617 00:21:26< celticminstrel> Actually, I wonder if that would look identical on Discord... 20180617 00:21:38< celticminstrel> Sure but it doesn't show up in IRC. :P 20180617 00:21:51<+discordbot2> oh, yeah that's true 20180617 00:22:06< celticminstrel> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘ŠโœŠโœŒ 20180617 00:22:25< celticminstrel> I assume those do at least show up in Discord? 20180617 00:22:30<+discordbot2> yup! 20180617 00:22:42< celticminstrel> Oh there's even ๐Ÿ’ฆ๐Ÿ’ง 20180617 00:22:48< celticminstrel> And ๐Ÿ’ฅ 20180617 00:22:54< celticminstrel> ...sorry I'll stop now. 20180617 00:23:23< celticminstrel> I don't generally use emoji, it's just too much effort to scroll through a list and choose one. 20180617 00:23:50<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿฉ 20180617 00:23:58< celticminstrel> WTH is that 20180617 00:24:03<+discordbot2> Donut 20180617 00:24:05< nemaara> it's a doughnut 20180617 00:24:16<+discordbot2> Luckily Discord has a filter box in the emoji palette. 20180617 00:24:18< nemaara> shows up for me too :thinking: 20180617 00:24:30< celticminstrel> It shows up for me, I just couldn't tell what it was. 20180617 00:24:55< celticminstrel> Character viewer confirms that it is, indeed, a donut. Why the hell is there a donut in Unicode. o.O 20180617 00:25:11<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿก 20180617 00:25:14<+discordbot2> You tell me. 20180617 00:25:19< celticminstrel> The font size was just too small for me to recognize it. 20180617 00:25:23<+discordbot2> are there team games played in multiplayer? 20180617 00:25:28<+discordbot2> or is it only 1v1 20180617 00:25:31< celticminstrel> ...dango? Seriously? 20180617 00:25:33<+discordbot2> yes there are team games 20180617 00:25:35<+discordbot2> It can be anything you want. 20180617 00:25:41< celticminstrel> I would've never recognized that. 20180617 00:25:44<+discordbot2> I've never done mp before only some narb rp co op 20180617 00:25:51<+discordbot2> that was how I was introduced to game 20180617 00:25:57<+discordbot2> you can play 2v2, 2v3, 3v3, FFA, coop, etc. 20180617 00:25:59<+discordbot2> (And the game does ship with a few co-op scenarios, 2v2, 4v4, etc.) 20180617 00:26:14<+discordbot2> merkwerdilaigewoigfh or whatever that map is called is 9p 20180617 00:26:17<+discordbot2> 3v3v3 20180617 00:26:18<+discordbot2> yeah it was some rpg mods 20180617 00:26:25<+discordbot2> and some era mods or something 20180617 00:26:48<+discordbot2> worth doing campaign or straight to mp? 20180617 00:26:56<+discordbot2> campaigns are good if you like stories 20180617 00:27:11<+discordbot2> well I like stories but they're always shit in games 20180617 00:27:15<+discordbot2> it just doesn't work out 20180617 00:27:30<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿค” 20180617 00:27:50<+discordbot2> how long do mp games last? 20180617 00:28:06<+discordbot2> depends on what kind of game obvs 20180617 00:28:22<+discordbot2> uhm, if you want to try a campaign I guess you could try Descent into Darkness 20180617 00:28:28<+discordbot2> or The Rise of Wesnoth 20180617 00:28:50<+discordbot2> ok thanks I'll try those 20180617 00:28:57<+discordbot2> I hear Liberty is good but I've never tried it 20180617 00:29:01<+discordbot2> hard? the first ones I tried were really easy 20180617 00:29:04<+discordbot2> DiD is short, TRoW is long 20180617 00:29:25<+discordbot2> well, I recommend those because I don't think the storylines of any of the novice campaigns are likely to be what you're looking for 20180617 00:30:04<+discordbot2> the add-on Invasion from the Unknown is also worth trying, but is kind of long 20180617 00:31:12<+discordbot2> I'd start with novice campaigns before attemtping MP, but that might be just me. 20180617 00:31:35<+discordbot2> Two of them (Two Brothers and An Orcish Incursion) are really short and easy. 20180617 00:31:37<+discordbot2> I wonder what celmin sees when I use custom emoji 20180617 00:31:41<+discordbot2> :thonk: 20180617 00:31:52<+discordbot2> But they give you an idea of how to handle certain situations that are far more common in MP. 20180617 00:31:53<+discordbot2> that one doesn't show up 20180617 00:32:25<+discordbot2> Custom emotes are just represented as their id surrounded by colons since they obviously do not have codepoints. 20180617 00:32:43< celticminstrel> For that one I just saw the code you type. 20180617 00:32:54< celticminstrel> Yeah, if it doesn't have a codepoint there's no way I could possibly see it. 20180617 00:33:05<+discordbot2> idk I've seen some weird converting with irc-discord 20180617 00:33:15< nemaara> :thonk: 20180617 00:33:17<+discordbot2> T'is unfortunate you don't get to see the glorious thonk 20180617 00:33:58<+discordbot2> celmin doesn't strike me as a memes connoisseur. 20180617 00:34:08<+discordbot2> So he probably isn't missing out on anything. 20180617 00:34:16<+discordbot2> thonk isn't a meme 20180617 00:34:40<+discordbot2> It is. 20180617 00:34:59<+discordbot2> it's a maymay obvs 20180617 00:35:45<+discordbot2> I see you are a man of culture as well. 20180617 00:36:13<+discordbot2> (man, woman, non-binary person, as applicable) 20180617 00:36:21<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿš 20180617 00:36:42<+discordbot2> but I guess the original one used man in it 20180617 00:39:13<+discordbot2> where do download the unknown mod? 20180617 00:39:16<+discordbot2> cant find it 20180617 00:39:27<+discordbot2> the button add-ons 20180617 00:39:35<+discordbot2> type in "invasion from the unknown" into the search bar 20180617 00:39:41<+discordbot2> oh ok was searching form internet 20180617 00:39:48<+discordbot2> forgot there was that bit 20180617 00:39:50<+discordbot2> then add-ons.wesnoth.org/1.14 20180617 00:39:58<+discordbot2> it's easier to just get it from the game client though 20180617 00:46:50-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 01:02:22-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1BBC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180617 01:50:35-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180617 01:57:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 01:57:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 02:25:45-!- nemaara [442bb2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.43.178.231] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20180617 03:01:12<+discordbot2> why do I auto join voice cjat 20180617 03:02:47< celticminstrel> Wow that's awful 20180617 03:04:03<+discordbot2> yeah was a different server and damn irc doesnt delete 20180617 03:04:12<+discordbot2> idk hwo I switched servers 20180617 03:04:15<+discordbot2> misclick maybe 20180617 03:04:26< celticminstrel> IRC can't delete. 20180617 03:08:40< aeth> It's a feature not a bug. 20180617 03:08:51< celticminstrel> Probably, yeah. 20180617 03:09:05< celticminstrel> The ability to delete messages is actually kinda misguided IMO. 20180617 03:09:10< aeth> Logging's also done locally so if you join an IRC channel where you're not a full member, you can keep your logs without them going away as soon as you leave. 20180617 03:09:33< celticminstrel> Editing is fine, I guess, though I'd prefer if you can see an edit log (like GitHub recently added) even though that means everyone can see all the typos I fixed after the fact. 20180617 03:09:41< aeth> celticminstrel: It's not like there's a real delete on the Internet anyway, it's more like a "hide from everyone who isn't in charge" flag. 20180617 03:10:05< aeth> If mods can't see it, then admins. If "admins" can't see it, then the real admins who really run the big service. 20180617 03:10:12< celticminstrel> Well, there's no reason it couldn't be a true delete. 20180617 03:10:15< aeth> Obviously varies depending on the site. 20180617 03:10:28< celticminstrel> But you're right, it's quite likely that they'd leave some record of the deleted message, just in case... 20180617 03:10:53< aeth> If you were a large American company you would never actually permit a true delete. You'd want to keep the logs in case someone discussed something illegal and then deleted it to "hide" it and then the FBI comes knocking on your door in a few months. 20180617 03:11:28< aeth> Sure, maybe delete is really delete on some smaller sites or some sites with 20 year old software that operated under the assumption that space for storing text was scarce. 20180617 03:12:16< aeth> The only question is who can see the delete. Maybe it's just in some backups somewhere and basically no one can but sysadmins and law enforcement. 20180617 03:12:30< aeth> Or maybe every community moderator can see it. 20180617 03:12:43< aeth> And if it's a public site like reddit, it's probably still out there on some log-like site, anyway. 20180617 03:13:31< celticminstrel> I'm pretty sure someone naively coding it would make it a true delete though. So there are probably places where deleted things are really totally gone (note that this assumes they're not within the Internet Archive's purview though). 20180617 03:14:14< aeth> Yeah, naive coding exists, that's why I said large American company. 20180617 03:14:30< aeth> Anyone large enough for a lawyer, basically. Could be a startup. 20180617 03:14:54<+discordbot2> What are you talking about. 20180617 03:14:58< aeth> Delete not being real. 20180617 03:15:09<+discordbot2> Delete is real ty. 20180617 03:15:26<+discordbot2> The only thing that is frequently not real about it is its effectiveness. 20180617 03:15:38< aeth> On most sites delete will just check a hidden flag, rather than remove it from disk 20180617 03:15:44< aeth> At least, afaik. 20180617 03:16:00<+discordbot2> "Most sites". 20180617 03:16:49< aeth> Well, these days, probably most sites. Even comments sections are mostly centralized to someone else's cloud now. e.g. Disqus. 20180617 03:16:54<+discordbot2> It's not really relevant in most cases anyway unless you're posting sensitive info in places you shouldn't. 20180617 03:19:09< aeth> Yeah, law enforcements and intelligence agencies are probably the only groups interested in going through deleted material on the Internet, at least in general. 20180617 03:21:26< celticminstrel> Which is why fake delete is a travesty. 20180617 03:22:39<+discordbot2> You'll be glad to know our forums also have "fake" delete insofar as there are backups that might contain your deleted posts. :> 20180617 03:23:02< aeth> Well, even if something is "deleted", it almost certainly won't come back to bite you if you didn't say anything illegal in that deleted comment/message/whatever as long as it was not done in public, where someone could mirror it quickly. 20180617 03:23:04<+discordbot2> Not to mention that they might be recoverable from raw disk contents. 20180617 03:23:43< aeth> There are definitely levels of fake delete. One "fake delete" is "present in backups" and is probably the hardest for anything to happen with. I think what's more common in newer software is to just mark it as deleted and hide it. 20180617 03:24:18<+discordbot2> We have the option to do that as well. 20180617 03:24:22< aeth> But I would assume that everything on the Wesnoth forums is archived by the archive.org bot, although I could be mistaken. 20180617 03:24:48<+discordbot2> (I'm going to leave whether we do it or not up to you to guess though.) 20180617 03:25:07< aeth> Fake delete is more of a topic of discussion with private messages and chat, I guess. 20180617 03:40:01<+discordbot2> What does it matter? 20180617 03:42:16<+discordbot2> aeth likes his philosophical debates. 20180617 03:45:01<+discordbot2> He does indeed 20180617 03:50:17< aeth> eh, it's more like once a year for me at this point 20180617 04:26:53<+discordbot2> Hi guys i have a question. So walk through the to recieve your medal of honar? for tournament class 20180617 04:27:35<+discordbot2> thanks in advance! 20180617 04:29:32<+discordbot2> You will have to reformulate that question, because it sounds like you skipped a lot of words. 20180617 04:31:02<+discordbot2> I think they're asking if they have to beat a campaign to get the little medal for completing it? 20180617 04:32:11<+discordbot2> Oh sorry! I'm sailing and im really tired right now XD 20180617 04:32:18<+discordbot2> how do I even ask now lol... and also "they"?? :P 20180617 04:32:23<+discordbot2> one second 20180617 04:33:10<+discordbot2> My question (reformulated) is: Are there any medals you can get from winning any wesnoth ladder competitions or being at the top of the ladder? 20180617 04:33:28<+discordbot2> or tournaments that offer any sorts of prizes? 20180617 04:33:30<+discordbot2> on wesnothladder 20180617 04:38:15<+discordbot2> there are some tournies that offer rewards 20180617 04:38:25<+discordbot2> Tournaments with actual prizes in money are not allowed on our forums or MP server. 20180617 04:38:26<+discordbot2> but you'll have to check with each one separately 20180617 04:38:32<+discordbot2> I don't think they're money rewards 20180617 04:38:50<+discordbot2> just something very small, like a gift basket (I think I remember seeing this in one) 20180617 04:39:07<+discordbot2> As for other kinds of prizes, we've had tournaments that earned the winners cameos in the mainline MP maps. 20180617 04:39:08< aeth> Why not make Wesnoth an e-sport? 20180617 04:39:14<+discordbot2> aeth please no. 20180617 04:39:25<+discordbot2> You've been around for long enough that you know what the answer to that question is. 20180617 04:39:30< aeth> No, I mean, why not host an official tournament? 20180617 04:39:47<+discordbot2> The one that I just mentioned was official enough. 20180617 04:39:59<+discordbot2> It was organized by Doc I believe. 20180617 04:40:22<+discordbot2> (I might be misremembering, but in any case we even added a wesnoth.org subdomain redirect to the forum thread at the time.) 20180617 04:40:45<+discordbot2> Now you might be asking yourself why we've not done that again. 20180617 04:41:07<+discordbot2> And the answer is: because none of the devs currently have time or interest in hosting one. :\ Which is unfortunate, of course. 20180617 04:43:07<+discordbot2> I for one would be more than happy to help the community with organizing an official tournament in the future, even if the only assistance I can provide boils down to technical fluff like website announcements, MOTD, etc. 20180617 04:43:53<+discordbot2> actually would be a decent idea with the new steam release 20180617 04:44:07<+discordbot2> but probably the top ranked players would wipe the floor with any new players 20180617 04:44:32<+discordbot2> so idk how a preliminary selection would go to boil it down to 16 or 32 players 20180617 04:46:28<+discordbot2> I presume they'd make use of ladder stats somehow. 20180617 04:46:38-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 04:46:41<+discordbot2> Or just community reputation. 20180617 04:48:58<+discordbot2> Okay, thank you all! :) 20180617 04:49:08<+discordbot2> YESS thats exactly what I was wondering 20180617 04:49:13<+discordbot2> the little prize baskets OuO... :D 20180617 04:51:25-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180617 04:57:37<+discordbot2> Winner could get a free copy of Frogatto ๐Ÿ˜› 20180617 05:00:25<+discordbot2> Implying Frogatto isn't worth enough to be concerned about cheaters climbing their way up to victory. :> 20180617 05:03:46<+discordbot2> $20 20180617 05:05:11-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 05:05:43< aeth> 1/2 ladder, 1/4 community reputation via being selected as a prominent community member, and 1/4 community reputation via being selected via an online poll? (of course, online polls aren't very reliable, but voting could be tied to an active account or something) 20180617 05:10:22<+discordbot2> Oh man I deeply apologize for my super incoherent question from the beginning... 20180617 05:10:30<+discordbot2> That is so awkward XD 20180617 05:13:05< aeth> The way I'd do a tournament is 16 people, round-robin for one or two months. Top 4 play an elimination bracket: 1v4, 2v3, third place game (loser vs loser), first place game. 20180617 05:13:43< aeth> If more than 16 people then the round-robin would have to be divided into groups, and then determining who gets seeded in the elimination portion would be tricky. 20180617 05:21:16-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20180617 05:57:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 05:57:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 06:22:52-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 06:49:35-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 06:56:03-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 06:56:21< hk238> hello.. I'm not sure if this kind of bug is reported but I have had this issue that connection on mp server hangs without the client disconnecting 20180617 06:57:23< hk238> basically opening a game and nothing happens, then going to lobby everything works fine, but once you attempt to observe another game the client fails to connect.. then I'll end the wesnoth process and start wesnoth again, and connect to mp server, then it says that the client is still connected and the old connection gets kicked and it works fine 20180617 07:16:41<+discordbot2> Hmmmm.... 20180617 07:35:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 07:41:49-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 08:18:08-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 08:59:33-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 09:13:38-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 09:28:01-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 09:53:23-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 10:05:24< hk238> someone should make another version of Dark Forecast : ) 20180617 10:11:24-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 10:36:37< hk238> maybe I should try and tinker Dark forecast to make anotherone. Murky weathercarst 20180617 10:36:39< hk238> *cast 20180617 10:36:39< hk238> :D 20180617 11:00:41-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180617 12:52:41<+discordbot2> do people random because it's good or because it's a hidden conduct thingie? 20180617 12:59:24<+discordbot2> because it forces you to master all the factions and it gives you a slight edge since your opponent doesn't know how to tailor their initial recruit 20180617 12:59:54<+discordbot2> e.g. they don't know if it's safe to buy an orcish assassin, because you might be Undead 20180617 13:53:00-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20180617 15:17:31-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 16:00:11-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 16:01:50-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 16:49:43<+discordbot2> there are regular tournaments nowdays, organised by Druid, there was one in 2016-2017 and one in 2017-2018, that just ended recently, it had around 30-40 players if i remember correctly 20180617 16:49:58<+discordbot2> i bet there will be one at the end of this year too 20180617 16:50:18<+discordbot2> it has small prizes like t-shirts, glasses etc... 20180617 17:26:20<+discordbot2> Tournaments? Is there a forum thread? 20180617 17:29:54-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 17:34:50-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180617 17:56:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180617 18:08:22-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 18:19:39-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 18:21:41-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180617 18:31:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 18:31:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 18:32:54-!- Guest12953 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 18:40:56<+discordbot2> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 20180617 18:41:00<+discordbot2> @Hejnewar 20180617 18:41:10<+discordbot2> H,? 20180617 18:41:19<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/457978054195675136/unknown.png 20180617 18:41:26<+discordbot2> this guy 20180617 18:41:31<+discordbot2> play 1v1 with me 20180617 18:41:43<+discordbot2> 5v2 on my left and took 12 vs 4 villas 20180617 18:41:45<+discordbot2> huge advantage 20180617 18:41:50<+discordbot2> I play base trade and won 20180617 18:41:55<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜น 20180617 18:42:03<+discordbot2> surprise madafaka 20180617 18:42:25<+discordbot2> I used spears to nonstop lame his boss and get onto his castle 20180617 18:42:26<+discordbot2> XD nice plays ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 18:42:34<+discordbot2> who is this guy tho 20180617 18:42:37<+discordbot2> does he play ladder 20180617 18:42:45<+discordbot2> base on the fact he know to attack during night 20180617 18:42:51<+discordbot2> and hold off ZOC 20180617 18:42:57<+discordbot2> I think he is not noob 20180617 18:43:16-!- Guest12953 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 18:43:54<+discordbot2> What is his nick? 20180617 18:44:01<+discordbot2> cube is a cube 20180617 18:44:24<+discordbot2> I dont know him 20180617 18:44:29<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/457978851960553494/unknown.png 20180617 18:45:18<+discordbot2> I see his nick for the first time. 20180617 18:45:42<+discordbot2> And so im surprised that he played that good. xd 20180617 18:47:30<+discordbot2> he must not be a noob 20180617 18:47:42<+discordbot2> or he wont know how to bank that precisely 20180617 18:47:59<+discordbot2> he legitimately banked two turns no move till his left get stronger to overwhelm mine 20180617 18:48:06<+discordbot2> Maybe ist a smurf account or something 20180617 18:48:10<+discordbot2> and attacked exactly in twilight 20180617 18:48:19<+discordbot2> yeah must be some mids+ smurfing 20180617 18:48:24<+discordbot2> but hes still ez lol 20180617 18:48:56<+discordbot2> I legit typed gg first 20180617 18:49:02<+discordbot2> when my left is totally fallen 20180617 18:49:05<+discordbot2> and dat guy 20180617 18:49:07<+discordbot2> lmao 20180617 18:49:16<+discordbot2> got swallowed whole and numbers thinned on right 20180617 18:50:39<+discordbot2> I think i wold do the same and yost gg out but i think your mad skills saved you. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 18:50:52<+discordbot2> its not I won it tbh 20180617 18:50:57<+discordbot2> its him failing it 20180617 18:51:02<+discordbot2> maybe he think it is night coming 20180617 18:51:10<+discordbot2> and I should be lesser competent 20180617 18:51:30<+discordbot2> Still many ppl wont be able to pull it out. 20180617 18:51:32<+discordbot2> but I suicidal attack to reduce his numbers and ZOC his units to make it straight to his base 20180617 18:51:43<+discordbot2> yeah pulling out 20180617 18:51:46<+discordbot2> try not be greedy 20180617 18:51:47<+discordbot2> I think 20180617 18:51:54<+discordbot2> is most difficult part of this game 20180617 18:52:03<+discordbot2> if anything wesnoth would teach you in life 20180617 18:52:08<+discordbot2> thats never be too greedy 20180617 18:52:15<+discordbot2> get some advantage and run 20180617 18:53:06<+discordbot2> and btw 20180617 18:53:16<+discordbot2> I found melee lines 20180617 18:53:18<+discordbot2> Not only this game many games do that, i remember when i started playing i would never retreat if i got a vill, then i learned that its not alway so good idea to do that. 20180617 18:53:28<+discordbot2> nah 20180617 18:53:39<+discordbot2> wesnoth is unique 20180617 18:53:43<+discordbot2> RTS games are bit different 20180617 18:53:48<+discordbot2> encourage you to show more aggression 20180617 18:53:55<+discordbot2> especially old command and conquer series 20180617 18:54:02<+discordbot2> where you got no population cap 20180617 18:54:07<+discordbot2> every time you gain advantage 20180617 18:54:16<+discordbot2> it is better for you to spam more and punish further 20180617 18:54:20<+discordbot2> instead of pulling out 20180617 18:54:27<+discordbot2> SC2 also 20180617 18:54:35<+discordbot2> you gain advantage via early harassment 20180617 18:54:40<+discordbot2> its better for you to attack 20180617 18:55:28<+discordbot2> I saw you playing in CC few times alredy, SC2 i almost love thet game, and in Poland we have a pro who loves to camp and go straight to late and boi he is great at it. 20180617 18:56:09<+discordbot2> I found command and conque 20180617 18:56:16<+discordbot2> might have a higher skill ceiling than SC2 20180617 18:56:21<+discordbot2> many might disagree tho 20180617 18:56:36<+discordbot2> but the game can technically require you play with infinite APM as GDI 20180617 18:56:57<+discordbot2> SC2 might have a higher starting standard 20180617 18:57:04<+discordbot2> but ceiling is relatively lower for P and Z 20180617 18:57:11<+discordbot2> T is a bit different tho 20180617 18:57:25<+discordbot2> you gonna try also very hard and to not make mistakes in late game 20180617 18:57:31<+discordbot2> to maximize effectiveness of your units 20180617 18:57:55<+discordbot2> I was T main. 20180617 18:58:08<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ–• I main P 20180617 18:58:11<+discordbot2> caz P nub 20180617 18:58:15<+discordbot2> I know something about this. 20180617 18:58:16<+discordbot2> ez for nubs like me 20180617 18:58:42<+discordbot2> cold is the void! 20180617 18:58:46<+discordbot2> Well i love when noobs cannot manage 3 drops at a time :d 20180617 18:58:52<+discordbot2> I always go passive early game 20180617 18:58:55<+discordbot2> some scouting 20180617 18:59:01-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:7800:e9ce:277c:5e4b] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 18:59:05<+discordbot2> deny the nubs that try to blanket too much 20180617 18:59:10<+discordbot2> and make to late game for better techs 20180617 18:59:47<+discordbot2> I wont allow that coz P and Z has better late game well had now T can do raven sapam in late. 20180617 18:59:56<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 19:00:00<+discordbot2> Z's late game 20180617 19:00:01<+discordbot2> for me 20180617 19:00:04<+discordbot2> thats a meme 20180617 19:00:11<+discordbot2> all Z's choices 20180617 19:00:16<+discordbot2> are inferior than T and P 20180617 19:00:26<+discordbot2> but I nub at Z so w.e 20180617 19:00:33<+discordbot2> Z is too hard for me 20180617 19:00:40<+discordbot2> I never horde my zerglings well enough 20180617 19:00:48<+discordbot2> Air P is still quite good and Z strugels to get to late vs good P 20180617 19:00:49<+discordbot2> dunno how maru managed to kite the helions tho 20180617 19:00:52<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 19:01:32<+discordbot2> He is too good but for me Nerchio is the best ๐Ÿ˜› 20180617 19:02:07<+discordbot2> Sick my ultralisk dick 20180617 19:02:28<+discordbot2> He would say the same vs T xD 20180617 19:05:08<+discordbot2> Dude you have time for some pvp 20180617 19:05:11<+discordbot2> We try your mod 20180617 19:05:19<+discordbot2> I think you change drake attack to 5-4 20180617 19:05:24<+discordbot2> Is a huge downgrade 20180617 19:05:26<+discordbot2> the thread of the latest tournament, finished a few months ago: 20180617 19:05:27<+discordbot2> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47459 20180617 19:05:35<+discordbot2> What tourney 20180617 19:05:42<+discordbot2> You guys still do tourney? 20180617 19:05:44<+discordbot2> Comeon 20180617 19:05:52<+discordbot2> someone asked for it above 20180617 19:05:58<+discordbot2> so i linked it 20180617 19:06:01<+discordbot2> Let me take a look 20180617 19:06:06<+discordbot2> Wtf is this tourney about 20180617 19:06:29<+discordbot2> its already over, but i guess there'll be a new one in a few months 20180617 19:06:51<+discordbot2> there was a discussion about tournaments and all 20180617 19:07:22<+discordbot2> I honestly think 20180617 19:07:35<+discordbot2> We have many turnaments every year xd 20180617 19:07:57<+discordbot2> Wesnoth community is better off playing rpg and survival maps and leave the competitive community themselves be 20180617 19:08:04<+discordbot2> The game is good 20180617 19:08:23<+discordbot2> But competitive pvp will damage its landscape 20180617 19:08:39<+discordbot2> You canโ€™t imagine how much noob bashing and dodging and people became toxic for playing pvp 20180617 19:08:43<+discordbot2> Those years I saw 20180617 19:08:46<+discordbot2> Itโ€™s madness 20180617 19:08:57<+discordbot2> People DCing for this old school video game 20180617 19:09:04<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜น 20180617 19:09:10<+discordbot2> rpg sucks though 20180617 19:09:13<+discordbot2> there was a tournament organised by Druid in 2016-17 and one in 2017-18, both were fun, with prizes, polite players, great games with sometimes 20+ observers 20180617 19:09:33<+discordbot2> nothing toxic 20180617 19:09:45<+discordbot2> Well almost always the same ppl palyed in these turnaments ane they were fun to watch. 20180617 19:09:55<+discordbot2> Pick your recruit tourney? 20180617 19:09:59<+discordbot2> Last one I can remember 20180617 19:10:05<+discordbot2> Was some sort of tourney like that 20180617 19:10:08<+discordbot2> "competitive pvp will damage its landscape" โ† This is half of the reason there isn't a built-in player ranking system. 20180617 19:10:16<+discordbot2> (The other half is cheats.) 20180617 19:10:29<+discordbot2> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=45242 20180617 19:10:38<+discordbot2> But as you can see that didn't stop people from making an unofficial ladder. 20180617 19:10:44<+discordbot2> It has an icon of a mermaid I think 20180617 19:10:48<+discordbot2> Which becomes the source of drama from time to time. 20180617 19:10:50<+discordbot2> Well fuck them 20180617 19:10:54<+discordbot2> Ban them all 20180617 19:10:55<+discordbot2> Simple 20180617 19:10:57<+discordbot2> there you have it, Pick Your Recruits tournament, it started about a year ago, finished in october 20180617 19:10:58<+discordbot2> XD 20180617 19:10:59<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 19:11:04<+discordbot2> Just kidding 20180617 19:11:07<+discordbot2> Drama is fun to watch too. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 19:11:16<+discordbot2> I think 20180617 19:11:25<+discordbot2> I used to have a folder of screenshots 20180617 19:11:39<+discordbot2> in the tournaments organised by Druid there were some drama ofc, but it was handled professionally 20180617 19:11:40<+discordbot2> Fanjo and bonobo 20180617 19:11:47<+discordbot2> Other folks 20180617 19:11:48<+discordbot2> Flaming each other 20180617 19:12:02<+discordbot2> and overall it was great fun for obsevers and players too 20180617 19:12:10<+discordbot2> It was fun, they use their own language so neither of them understand what each other means 20180617 19:12:36<+discordbot2> No dude 20180617 19:12:49<+discordbot2> games can still be downloaded from the thread, recommend it to everyone who wants to see some high-leveled stuff 20180617 19:12:54<+discordbot2> The PYR tournament 20180617 19:13:04<+discordbot2> That happened last time I can recall 20180617 19:13:11<+discordbot2> Was wayyyyyyyy ages ago 20180617 19:13:15<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 19:13:22<+discordbot2> Dont say that around him :X 20180617 19:13:29<+discordbot2> And I think it is called pyra 20180617 19:13:36<+discordbot2> it is pyra 20180617 19:13:55<+discordbot2> whats the difference, you pick recruits and you recruit them later 20180617 19:13:57<+discordbot2> Pick your recruits Armageddon 20180617 19:14:18<+discordbot2> the only difference is that pyra is more advanced 20180617 19:15:29<+discordbot2> Should be dat name 20180617 19:15:37<+discordbot2> Whatever it was 20180617 19:15:51<+discordbot2> I think it was started by a troll on the forum 20180617 19:16:20<+discordbot2> But that can trace back even further 20180617 19:16:28<+discordbot2> Maybe 8 or even 9 years ago 20180617 19:16:39<+discordbot2> Anyway 20180617 19:16:47<+discordbot2> I always think pyra is stupid 20180617 19:16:54<+discordbot2> But the approaches in this mod 20180617 19:17:09<+discordbot2> Worth the dev team to give a second thought on current balance system 20180617 19:17:15<+discordbot2> For example 20180617 19:17:20<+discordbot2> They make drakes cheaper 20180617 19:17:35<+discordbot2> Otherwise everyone go cheap high effectiveness unit spam 20180617 19:17:42<+discordbot2> pyra just redesigned unit prices 20180617 19:17:52<+discordbot2> Think clasher in pyra is 18 or 17 20180617 19:17:56<+discordbot2> Forgot it ugghhhh 20180617 19:18:00<+discordbot2> because in default faction is balanced against faction (well, supposed to be) 20180617 19:18:07<+discordbot2> Itโ€™s really many years 20180617 19:18:14<+discordbot2> in pyra its unit against unit 20180617 19:18:26<+discordbot2> so its only logical that the prices will need some changes 20180617 19:18:51<+discordbot2> Unit vs unit is good aproach but it sometimes dont have the flavour for me. 20180617 19:19:00<+discordbot2> also in the latest pyra tournament i just linked a lot of top-level players participated 20180617 19:19:16<+discordbot2> back in old days 20180617 19:19:21<+discordbot2> I think people abuse the most 20180617 19:19:22<+discordbot2> ofc i dont agree with every unit prize change either, but i dont deny that they are necessary in general 20180617 19:19:27<+discordbot2> is desert elf fighter 20180617 19:19:31<+discordbot2> dat shit is way too strong 20180617 19:19:38<+discordbot2> cost like 15 or 16 to do 6-4 melee 20180617 19:19:40<+discordbot2> super crazy 20180617 19:19:44<+discordbot2> it was, then it got changed to 17 20180617 19:19:50<+discordbot2> now its not 20180617 19:19:54-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 19:20:05<+discordbot2> and people abuse the combo of grunt with adept 20180617 19:20:11<+discordbot2> so they have both cheap melee chaotic 20180617 19:20:16<+discordbot2> and cheap range chaotic 20180617 19:20:19<+discordbot2> the lame is unreal 20180617 19:20:28<+discordbot2> desert archer+noble fighter was my personal combo on that tournament, had some good wins with them 20180617 19:20:30<+discordbot2> you hardly beat this combo by lawfuls 20180617 19:20:48<+discordbot2> I didnt play the shit for ages 20180617 19:20:49<+discordbot2> but 20180617 19:20:55<+discordbot2> Archer + Hi i saw a lot of it. 20180617 19:20:56<+discordbot2> since the mod is still alive 20180617 19:21:08<+discordbot2> I think it must be active in the past several years all along 20180617 19:21:47<+discordbot2> daog is more like the simple choice 20180617 19:22:04<+discordbot2> yeah they made HI cheaper in this mod 20180617 19:22:05<+discordbot2> but its no auto-win 20180617 19:22:09<+discordbot2> how much it cost again? 20180617 19:22:10<+discordbot2> 17? 20180617 19:22:18<+discordbot2> Is grunt 13 g in pyra? Or adept 20? I remeber something like thet 20180617 19:22:18-!- octalot [~steve@91.141.1.216.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 19:22:25<+discordbot2> adept is 18 20180617 19:22:25<+discordbot2> the shit worth ONLY 17 I think 20180617 19:22:32<+discordbot2> HI is 17 20180617 19:22:38<+discordbot2> back when I was playing grunt was adjusted to 13 20180617 19:22:42<+discordbot2> but adept was still 16 20180617 19:22:49<+discordbot2> you can even combo adept with desert fighter 20180617 19:22:51<+discordbot2> XD 20180617 19:22:56<+discordbot2> adept is 18 now and people still recruit it 20180617 19:23:00<+discordbot2> Then i saw 20g adept somewhere else 20180617 19:23:04<+discordbot2> yeah 18 sounds better 20180617 19:23:18<+discordbot2> Hejne 20180617 19:23:20<+discordbot2> make HI 17 20180617 19:23:26<+discordbot2> this shit worth only that much 20180617 19:23:33<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ–• HI 20180617 19:23:49<+discordbot2> Classy. 20180617 19:24:01<+discordbot2> you have a spear 20180617 19:24:08<+discordbot2> overall, there was a good pyra tournament with top-players in it a few months ago, so dont disregard it, personally i think its the best add-on you can have in wesnoth 20180617 19:24:15<+discordbot2> that has 40% dodge, 5 speed, to cost 14 20180617 19:24:26<+discordbot2> HI has lower dodge so -$1, lower speed -$1 again 20180617 19:24:31<+discordbot2> We will see in future when i acctualy have time to check and implement changes. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 19:24:32<+discordbot2> so if there will be any tournament with picking recruits, it should be pyra 20180617 19:24:35<+discordbot2> higher armor +$3 20180617 19:24:42<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ–• 20180617 19:24:42<+discordbot2> Now i dont have too mutch of it. 20180617 19:24:45<+discordbot2> maybe 15 or 16 20180617 19:24:55<+discordbot2> btw i think the worst change in pyra is the skeleton for 17 gold 20180617 19:25:02<+discordbot2> thats just way too expensive 20180617 19:25:05<+discordbot2> For sure. 20180617 19:25:05<+discordbot2> ske for 17 20180617 19:25:06<+discordbot2> lmao 20180617 19:25:15<+discordbot2> this shit is OVERPRICED in default already 20180617 19:25:16<+discordbot2> they make it 17 20180617 19:25:19<+discordbot2> loooooooooooooooool 20180617 19:25:22<+discordbot2> and i cant talk the current maintaner out of it 20180617 19:25:25<+discordbot2> ske fighter = $14 already 20180617 19:25:30<+discordbot2> $15 is even too expensive 20180617 19:25:39<+discordbot2> making it weakest choice among ALL default melee 20180617 19:25:46<+discordbot2> it has no additional trait 20180617 19:25:55<+discordbot2> no quick, no strong, no resilient 20180617 19:25:57<+discordbot2> 15 gold coins = $15 ๐Ÿค” 20180617 19:26:04<+discordbot2> shit speed and whatever the shit else it has 20180617 19:26:08<+discordbot2> are useless 20180617 19:26:13<+discordbot2> funny thing is 20180617 19:26:19<+discordbot2> the ske T2 fighters 20180617 19:26:21<+discordbot2> but there are dozens of other units that are well-priced, so overall it hurts the pyra just a little 20180617 19:26:23<+discordbot2> CANT EVEN BEAT HUMAN T2 20180617 19:26:27<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 19:26:30<+discordbot2> dude its real 20180617 19:26:36<+discordbot2> revenant cant beat swordsman 20180617 19:26:46<+discordbot2> caz swords has too much HP and rev sux 20180617 19:26:59<+discordbot2> and sword has resistance 20180617 19:27:21<+discordbot2> one of the most imba shit in wesnoth I think might be that no-one-ever-play age of heroes 20180617 19:27:24<+discordbot2> age of heroes 20180617 19:27:25<+discordbot2> meh 20180617 19:27:26<+discordbot2> i know, 17 is ridicilously high, thats the biggest issue with pyra right now 20180617 19:27:33<+discordbot2> more like age of loyalists or age of elves 20180617 19:27:47<+discordbot2> make it 14 is already bit expensive imo 20180617 19:27:53<+discordbot2> to compare the might of fighter and spear 20180617 19:27:59<+discordbot2> it is still less flexible 20180617 19:28:04<+discordbot2> and has worse advancements 20180617 19:28:28<+discordbot2> good players dont really care about age of heroes, whats the point, you fight with level 2 units against other level 2s 20180617 19:28:30<+discordbot2> I thought deathblades were okay? 20180617 19:28:35<+discordbot2> or whatever they're called 20180617 19:28:44<+discordbot2> no, the shit is they go t2 leadership units 20180617 19:28:47<+discordbot2> and t1 spam 20180617 19:28:51<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 19:29:05<+discordbot2> Deathblades are ok in def not aoh 20180617 19:29:06<+discordbot2> which is why loyals and elves are rendered OP in that criterion 20180617 19:29:13<+discordbot2> the interesting thing could be mixing lvl1 and lvl2 units 20180617 19:29:20<+discordbot2> DB has decent speed and dmg 20180617 19:29:22<+discordbot2> but the HP 20180617 19:29:25<+discordbot2> is a huge lulz 20180617 19:29:26<+discordbot2> the HP is awful 20180617 19:29:30<+discordbot2> 39 HP 20180617 19:29:32<+discordbot2> like wtf 20180617 19:29:37<+discordbot2> it is less 20180617 19:29:37<+discordbot2> DB is great 20180617 19:29:39<+discordbot2> It dies so quickly 20180617 19:29:40<+discordbot2> than a dwarf 20180617 19:29:41<+discordbot2> like lvl 1 unit 20180617 19:29:51<+discordbot2> its the best leader to rush with 20180617 19:29:52<+discordbot2> DB and Rev should naturally +5HP tho 20180617 19:30:04<+discordbot2> you see orc 38HP advance to 58HP 20180617 19:30:11<+discordbot2> human 36HP advance to 55HP 20180617 19:30:20<+discordbot2> elf 33HP advance to 52HP 20180617 19:30:28<+discordbot2> steelclad/lord is the most OP lvl2 and lvl3 20180617 19:30:28<+discordbot2> and the shit advance to 47HP 20180617 19:30:31<+discordbot2> AoH does mix level 1s and 2s though 20180617 19:30:43<+discordbot2> say its OP I wouldnt totally agree tho 20180617 19:30:55<+discordbot2> because its actually the only decent upgradeable unit 20180617 19:31:00<+discordbot2> in knalgan line 20180617 19:31:04<+discordbot2> thunderer line 20180617 19:31:06<+discordbot2> is terrible 20180617 19:31:15<+discordbot2> you gain lot less level bonus 20180617 19:31:20<+discordbot2> than human and elf archers 20180617 19:31:20<+discordbot2> 38 hp -> 59 hp, gets everything another lvl 2 gets AND bonus resistanced 20180617 19:31:29<+discordbot2> and 10% MORE on t3 20180617 19:31:33<+discordbot2> with a +10 range 20180617 19:31:38<+discordbot2> can 1v1 undead 20180617 19:31:41<+discordbot2> IN NIGHT 20180617 19:31:43<+discordbot2> ON FLAT GROUND 20180617 19:31:50<+discordbot2> it just beats any other level 2 or level 3 20180617 19:31:58<+discordbot2> and i dont think thats normal 20180617 19:32:07<+discordbot2> yeah but you check thunder, ulf, guard 20180617 19:32:10<+discordbot2> they are all bad 20180617 19:32:17<+discordbot2> all bad for just one good fighter 20180617 19:32:31<+discordbot2> thats why in dwarf campaigns I never make thunder 20180617 19:32:34<+discordbot2> maybe few guard 20180617 19:32:35<+discordbot2> Well i think ulf is good but hard to get. 20180617 19:32:38<+discordbot2> but massive fighter spam 20180617 19:32:40<+discordbot2> non stop 20180617 19:32:52<+discordbot2> thunderer level up is bad, yes 20180617 19:33:02<+discordbot2> Northern Rebirth I think is a legit answer to why only fighter spam can work out a whole campaign 20180617 19:33:09<+discordbot2> you spam fighter only 20180617 19:33:13<+discordbot2> close your eyes 20180617 19:33:17<+discordbot2> most hp for fighter is 45, least hp for clad is 56 20180617 19:33:31<+discordbot2> most hp for thunderer is 41, least for level 2 is 42 20180617 19:33:38<+discordbot2> thunderer 20180617 19:33:46<+discordbot2> I think is designed poorly alone 20180617 19:33:47<+discordbot2> you see 20180617 19:33:55<+discordbot2> elf archer got massive dmg bonus for ranking 20180617 19:33:57<+discordbot2> but less HP 20180617 19:34:01-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 19:34:01<+discordbot2> it makes little difference in multiplayer 20180617 19:34:05<+discordbot2> human got massive HP ranking and decent dmg 20180617 19:34:07<+discordbot2> dwarves 20180617 19:34:09<+discordbot2> got NOTHING 20180617 19:34:10<+discordbot2> but still it bothers me 20180617 19:34:20<+discordbot2> yeah the shity leader and shity upgrades 20180617 19:34:24<+discordbot2> bothers me too 20180617 19:34:32<+discordbot2> thunder should have 52 HP on T2 20180617 19:34:40<+discordbot2> and 70 HP on T3 20180617 19:34:44<+discordbot2> so it is not that terrible choice 20180617 19:35:02<+discordbot2> well, i dont make concrete proposals that easily 20180617 19:35:25<+discordbot2> human archer went 33 hp 20180617 19:35:26<+discordbot2> to 50 20180617 19:35:28<+discordbot2> to 67 20180617 19:35:29<+discordbot2> but i would like to see some change 20180617 19:35:33<+discordbot2> thunder start at 34 20180617 19:35:44<+discordbot2> also HI gets weaker with every level up too 20180617 19:35:52<+discordbot2> Get used to them ๐Ÿ˜„ I think Harhcer has a bit too low hp to begin with like 1 to low. :S 20180617 19:36:02<+discordbot2> HI is actually already quite great in their advancements 20180617 19:36:09<+discordbot2> if you want a seriously unfair levelups 20180617 19:36:13<+discordbot2> look trolls and trees 20180617 19:36:19<+discordbot2> these are real shit 20180617 19:36:29<+discordbot2> trees start with 2 more dmg than HI 20180617 19:36:38<+discordbot2> end up having same or even less dmg than HI on T3 20180617 19:36:44<+discordbot2> and the HP buff is minimal 20180617 19:36:46<+discordbot2> nearly nothing 20180617 19:36:49<+discordbot2> part of the problem is regeneration gets worse the more HP you have 20180617 19:36:57<+discordbot2> spearman level ups will end up with way more hp at level 3 than HI and they start with less 20180617 19:37:13<+discordbot2> spearman's level up is second OP thing than dwarf lord 20180617 19:37:23<+discordbot2> you get 40% more resistence and +1 speed 20180617 19:37:25<+discordbot2> way too OP 20180617 19:37:31<+discordbot2> actually i think royal guard with its 6 mp at level 3 is the second best level 3 right behind d loard 20180617 19:37:42<+discordbot2> And T3 sword with 6 mp is sooo good. 20180617 19:37:45<+discordbot2> yeah royal guard is strong 20180617 19:37:49<+discordbot2> and the 11 dmg 20180617 19:37:59<+discordbot2> during day it x1.25 gives 14 20180617 19:38:04<+discordbot2> not like those 10 shit that gives 12 20180617 19:38:10<+discordbot2> your damage burst is decent 20180617 19:38:20<+discordbot2> isn't part of dlord's balance that it has only 4 moves 20180617 19:38:30<+discordbot2> strong and quick royal guard is just great 20180617 19:38:38<+discordbot2> although even so, it's still really strong 20180617 19:38:41<+discordbot2> why quick 20180617 19:38:47<+discordbot2> it always have 6 least MP 20180617 19:38:49<+discordbot2> thunderer also has 4 mp 20180617 19:38:51<+discordbot2> 7 moves is insane on that strong of a unit 20180617 19:38:59<+discordbot2> 7 mp and that damage... 20180617 19:39:04<+discordbot2> 7mp.. 20180617 19:39:05<+discordbot2> its just invincible 20180617 19:39:06<+discordbot2> op 20180617 19:39:23<+discordbot2> I used a black dragon to vs royal guard during day 20180617 19:39:26<+discordbot2> I burn the guy 20180617 19:39:32<+discordbot2> the guy blades me back 20180617 19:39:36<+discordbot2> black dragon? 20180617 19:39:38<+discordbot2> and I sit in the village 20180617 19:39:39<+discordbot2> and I lose 20180617 19:39:44<+discordbot2> but again mp matters more in multiplayer, in campaigns you usually have more use of hp 20180617 19:39:45<+discordbot2> dat drake blademaster 20180617 19:39:48<+discordbot2> ah 20180617 19:40:02<+discordbot2> well not exactly 20180617 19:40:06<+discordbot2> mp is still extremely useful in campaigns 20180617 19:40:15<+discordbot2> I saw Royal 3 times in mp 20180617 19:40:17<+discordbot2> you can rush across the map faster to either farm more exp 20180617 19:40:21<+discordbot2> MP matters more in PvP I agree 20180617 19:40:26<+discordbot2> or just finish faster to get more gold 20180617 19:40:30<+discordbot2> sometimes you can reach a unit means huge advantage 20180617 19:40:35<+discordbot2> how do you make campaigns hard... you give the ai a lot of gold, which means you'll usually have to defend 20180617 19:40:37<+discordbot2> campaign is more about slogfesting 20180617 19:40:47<+discordbot2> to make campaign hard 20180617 19:40:49<+discordbot2> you can play my campaign ๐Ÿ˜‰ 20180617 19:40:56<+discordbot2> I think you can make campaign AI smart 20180617 19:41:06<+discordbot2> so they always retreat during night and offend at day 20180617 19:41:08<+discordbot2> but yes, most of it is just how many units the AI has 20180617 19:41:11<+discordbot2> lame you in walls nonstop 20180617 19:41:33<+discordbot2> I tried to beat dat experiemental gobo AI before 20180617 19:41:46<+discordbot2> takes lot more punishment than normal 20180617 19:41:55<+discordbot2> actually i think the good campaigns are the ones that are creative enough to be hard without just giving the ai a 1000 gold 20180617 19:42:08<+discordbot2> +1000 20180617 19:42:20<+discordbot2> about campaign 20180617 19:42:27<+discordbot2> can you guys fix NR's final scenario again 20180617 19:42:36<+discordbot2> not just constant 'kill the leaders' maps 20180617 19:42:37<+discordbot2> the shit dwarf always use range vs AI's t3 range 20180617 19:42:44<+discordbot2> 1k gold is usualy rick xd or infinitley sawning units 20180617 19:42:45<+discordbot2> and use melee vs melee 20180617 19:43:02<+discordbot2> about fun and creative campaign 20180617 19:43:14<+discordbot2> not so much slogfest and lame walling 20180617 19:43:18<+discordbot2> tbh 20180617 19:43:23<+discordbot2> I think UTBS might be 20180617 19:43:38<+discordbot2> other camapaigns inevitably end up laming all day 20180617 19:43:43<+discordbot2> especially dwarf campaigns 20180617 19:43:47<+discordbot2> nothing else but laming 20180617 19:43:51<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ ๐Ÿ–• 20180617 19:43:58<+discordbot2> you spam dwarf and heal 20180617 19:44:01<+discordbot2> heal cycle 20180617 19:44:10<+discordbot2> and refill the frontier 20180617 19:44:11<+discordbot2> Eh there are almost none drake campanings i wonder why ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 19:44:17<+discordbot2> one is coming to 1.15 20180617 19:44:17<+discordbot2> You sure seem to be obsessed with the middle finger emote. 20180617 19:44:33<+discordbot2> drake campaign might break the ossified scenario I think 20180617 19:44:38<+discordbot2> because drakes themselves 20180617 19:44:41<+discordbot2> is hard to start 20180617 19:44:44<+discordbot2> lot of newbs 20180617 19:44:45<+discordbot2> Descend into Darkness is my favourite 20180617 19:44:52<+discordbot2> great story, no filler, good gameplay 20180617 19:45:01<+discordbot2> Only deafult or including add ons? 20180617 19:45:08<+discordbot2> to default 20180617 19:45:12<+discordbot2> there are lot of addon drake campaigns 20180617 19:45:20<+discordbot2> were 20180617 19:45:24<+discordbot2> Ashen Hearts, Flight to Freedom, Brave Wings (I don't know if this is on 1.14?) 20180617 19:45:25<+discordbot2> not these days anymore 20180617 19:45:27<+discordbot2> drake campaign to be interesting would need to add some new things for drakes 20180617 19:45:33<+discordbot2> the first two are in 1.14 20180617 19:45:34<+discordbot2> Well i was asking Krogen ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 19:45:37<+discordbot2> what is that campaign 20180617 19:45:39<+discordbot2> at the very least some mechanically interesting new ability 20180617 19:45:44<+discordbot2> the faction seems really boring\ 20180617 19:45:45<+discordbot2> that you start as a drake but finally become a dragon? 20180617 19:45:53<+discordbot2> that one is a fine choice for mainline 20180617 19:45:54<+discordbot2> T5 20180617 19:45:57<+discordbot2> i barely played add-on campaigns 20180617 19:45:58<+discordbot2> Real dragon 20180617 19:45:59<+discordbot2> because it starts easy and gets hard 20180617 19:46:23<+discordbot2> Secrets of the Ancients was the only big one i played but now its mainlined so it doesnt matter anymore 20180617 19:46:23<+discordbot2> brave wings is an old one 20180617 19:46:26<+discordbot2> I like it too 20180617 19:46:31<+discordbot2> I mean, if you're looking for campaigns with "interesting gameplay" and not just killing leaders 24/7, then add-ons campaigns are probably what you'd want 20180617 19:46:41<+discordbot2> but the shit is also about slogfesting and you need a lot of laming play from time to time 20180617 19:46:45<+discordbot2> Didnt you play To land unknow? o.O 20180617 19:47:02<+discordbot2> I played like 3 versions of it, each a bit different 20180617 19:47:04<+discordbot2> yes, i figured that out, i'll try some this summer 20180617 19:47:06<+discordbot2> first time I saw it 20180617 19:47:07<+discordbot2> n 20180617 19:47:09<+discordbot2> I was thinking 20180617 19:47:14<+discordbot2> who the fuck make this shit omfg 20180617 19:47:19<+discordbot2> this shit is too awesome 20180617 19:47:32<+discordbot2> then I realized the art is good but campaign is poorly balanced 20180617 19:47:35<+discordbot2> like your T4 hero 20180617 19:47:37<+discordbot2> isnt even loyal 20180617 19:47:37<+discordbot2> among the mainline ones, DiD is the best imo, i just had a Ghast with 120 hp once 20180617 19:47:45<+discordbot2> lmao really 20180617 19:47:56<+discordbot2> I made Malin 186 HP before 20180617 19:48:09<+discordbot2> just by AMLAing 20180617 19:48:30<+discordbot2> and i thought my Ghast was hardcore 20180617 19:48:58<+discordbot2> is feeding line continuable choice in DiD? 20180617 19:48:58<+discordbot2> Its always bigger Ghast somewhere. 20180617 19:49:00<+discordbot2> I doubt tho 20180617 19:49:17<+discordbot2> because feeding ones doesnt have drain or so much resistence like ghosts 20180617 19:50:20<+discordbot2> What do you think about t2 ghoul? 20180617 19:50:52<+discordbot2> ghoul is hard to level up, especially in multi 20180617 19:51:02<+discordbot2> so it could be more powerful i guess...? 20180617 19:51:24<+discordbot2> ghoul is a determinstic tank 20180617 19:51:30<+discordbot2> but as a tank it has too little HP 20180617 19:51:37<+discordbot2> which doesnt fit its role well enough 20180617 19:51:42<+discordbot2> thats why the leveling is hard 20180617 19:51:44<+discordbot2> its hard to get kills with ghouls 20180617 19:51:48<+discordbot2> yeah 20180617 19:51:49<+discordbot2> I think for like 30 exp he would be realy good 20180617 19:51:58<+discordbot2> so i guess the reward for it if you do could be bigger 20180617 19:51:58<+discordbot2> and getting kills from ghoul isnt enough rewarding 20180617 19:52:25<+discordbot2> i dont mean the feeding, i mean the level up, and the strength of the unit itself 20180617 19:52:36<+discordbot2> if you get a ranked archer it is yet an OK choice 20180617 19:52:40<+discordbot2> 10-3 dmg ugh ok 20180617 19:52:50<+discordbot2> ranked a ske and get DB its decent 20180617 19:52:57<+discordbot2> ranked an adept is most common 20180617 19:53:02<+discordbot2> rank a ghost is awesome 20180617 19:53:08<+discordbot2> but ranking a ghoul...is a meh 20180617 19:53:16<+discordbot2> your T2 ghoul do shit damage 20180617 19:53:25<+discordbot2> and do only benefits for itself by the feeding 20180617 19:53:37<+discordbot2> And rank bat is like omfg i just won the game ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 19:53:46<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜… 20180617 19:53:58<+discordbot2> I rank bats vs some nubs on isar before 20180617 19:54:06<+discordbot2> that feel is terrific 20180617 19:54:15<+discordbot2> they just cant kill the bats that getting red 20180617 19:54:22<+discordbot2> and some occasional cases going BLACK 20180617 19:54:44<+discordbot2> in singleplayer leveling a ghoul is fine because of feeding 20180617 19:54:49<+discordbot2> in multiplayer, not really 20180617 19:55:17<+discordbot2> in campaigns its just fun to eat one more enemy 20180617 19:55:22<+discordbot2> I alway find his dmg realy nice tho vs living units 20180617 19:55:33<+discordbot2> until it grows twice the size its supposed to be 20180617 19:55:57<+discordbot2> what if the sprite grew with each unit eaten? ๐Ÿค” 20180617 19:56:00<+discordbot2> ghoul is an unsound choice for ranking 20180617 19:56:06<+discordbot2> not simply for the difficulty 20180617 19:56:11<+discordbot2> that would be cool 20180617 19:56:14<+discordbot2> but you hardly give the exp for ghoul 20180617 19:56:28<+discordbot2> I think what a good approach is 20180617 19:56:34<+discordbot2> you give feeding to ghoul since T1 20180617 19:56:38<+discordbot2> so players would like to rank them more 20180617 19:56:43<+discordbot2> otherwise it is just BS 20180617 19:56:44<+discordbot2> His dmg is nice over all but not for killing other units 20180617 19:56:48<+discordbot2> that wouldnt change mp much 20180617 19:57:03<+discordbot2> Sprite? That fits it. 20180617 19:57:17<+discordbot2> what change MP much is the potential of ghoul's t2 20180617 19:57:26<+discordbot2> but you cant really buff that dmg or HP 20180617 19:57:35<+discordbot2> or the game is broken bad 20180617 19:57:55<+discordbot2> although the 7-3 dmg is quite questionable tbh 20180617 19:58:04<+discordbot2> i see like one ghoul level up in every 50 mp 1v1 games with Undead 20180617 19:58:05<+discordbot2> legit equal to ske 20180617 19:58:22<+discordbot2> they usually die before they get there 20180617 19:58:29<+discordbot2> 36 HP shit 20180617 19:58:33<+discordbot2> always get burnt 20180617 19:58:35<+discordbot2> one more hp for a kill at level 1 wouldnt change that 20180617 19:58:52<+discordbot2> can make it more survivable 20180617 19:59:03<+discordbot2> also contestedly maybe 3 more HP till T2 20180617 19:59:14<+discordbot2> or just easier 20180617 19:59:16<+discordbot2> +5HP 20180617 19:59:19<+discordbot2> solves it for good 20180617 19:59:29<+discordbot2> why would making all units similiarly desirable to level up be a good thing? 20180617 19:59:31<+discordbot2> hp changes or anything that big has to be discussed and tested by the community 20180617 19:59:44<+discordbot2> ghoul has 33 hp or you talko about something diffrent? 20180617 19:59:44<+discordbot2> I mean, I think it's good that units fill different roles 20180617 19:59:47<+discordbot2> because it is a good thing for not simply MP but also SP experiences 20180617 20:00:05<+discordbot2> on the other hand, a unit can't be tooooo horrible 20180617 20:00:10<+discordbot2> or nobody will ever want to use it 20180617 20:00:12<+discordbot2> for SP experience keep in mind it's also an enemy, used quite often 20180617 20:00:18<+discordbot2> otherwise in campaigns you have enough knowledge knowing that spending 3 gold per turn to maintain a unit, Dwarf lord always >> Dwarf thunderguard 20180617 20:00:27<+discordbot2> discussed and tested by the community is the hard part couse always will be someone who will disagree. 20180617 20:00:29<+discordbot2> you go fighter spam only and sad thing is it can actually work 20180617 20:00:32<+discordbot2> wouldnt that be pathetic? 20180617 20:00:37<+discordbot2> I think the problem is with the poison (and regeneration and healing), that does not scale with lvl ups 20180617 20:00:56<+discordbot2> it simply only works as a gimmick AI has to make itself a bit more annoying 20180617 20:01:07<+discordbot2> about poison 20180617 20:01:12<+discordbot2> as a player I can't rely on poison in SP at all, unless perhaps very first levels 20180617 20:01:22<+discordbot2> I always think orc is better with 3-4 instead of 3-3 marksman 20180617 20:01:22<+discordbot2> because AI has more units and especially when they are higher levels 20180617 20:01:41<+discordbot2> poison will become less and less useful as a campaign progresses, at least for the player 20180617 20:01:49<+discordbot2> due to healing 20180617 20:01:52<+discordbot2> yes, it is in general useless 20180617 20:02:07<+discordbot2> healing and regeneration is getting worse with the progress as well 20180617 20:02:09<+discordbot2> wait 20180617 20:02:15<+discordbot2> you mean vs players in campaign 20180617 20:02:21<+discordbot2> or players vs AI in campaign? 20180617 20:02:29<+discordbot2> I'm talking about single player 20180617 20:02:32<+discordbot2> I think poison has been a constantly strong choice in SOTBE 20180617 20:02:41<+discordbot2> ai has a lot of units in sp 20180617 20:02:57<+discordbot2> I haven't played SOTBE in years 20180617 20:02:58<+discordbot2> and you have to kill them quickly, as they reach your units 20180617 20:03:10<+discordbot2> you cant really take your time to poison them 20180617 20:03:11<+discordbot2> SOTBE is good in general 20180617 20:03:13<+discordbot2> I'm talking more from undead point of view 20180617 20:03:17<+discordbot2> but the final show down is too linear 20180617 20:03:20<+discordbot2> you spam units 20180617 20:03:26<+discordbot2> nonstop till gold deplete 20180617 20:03:29<+discordbot2> and win 20180617 20:03:38<+discordbot2> I dont get the logic tho...there isnt even any tactics 20180617 20:03:50<+discordbot2> anyway, it is simply weird that a unit has a gimmick that does not scale with level ups at all 20180617 20:04:10<+discordbot2> and yet it still has it, so it cannot get other things upgraded as much as units without that gimmick have 20180617 20:04:23<+discordbot2> regardless of these 20180617 20:04:27<+discordbot2> krogen and hejne 20180617 20:04:29<+discordbot2> play WC? 20180617 20:04:31<+discordbot2> nightmare 20180617 20:04:32<+discordbot2> pro onlyu 20180617 20:04:36<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿค” 20180617 20:05:13<+discordbot2> i have to study, i cant play any wesnoth before June 22 20180617 20:05:34<+discordbot2> even having this conversation makes me feel guilty for not studying 20180617 20:05:44<+discordbot2> Well i need to wake up at 4 am and we will end it at like 6 am ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 20:05:45<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 20:05:49<+discordbot2> fuck college 20180617 20:05:59<+discordbot2> Well i feel the same Krogen 20180617 20:06:00<+discordbot2> whats your time now hejne 20180617 20:06:08<+discordbot2> its 4am for you? 20180617 20:06:11<+discordbot2> 10pm 20180617 20:06:17<+discordbot2> well then we can play 20180617 20:06:20<+discordbot2> but its quite refreshing to be honest 20180617 20:06:20<+discordbot2> krogen comeon 20180617 20:06:24<+discordbot2> give up study 20180617 20:06:27<+discordbot2> learn wesnoth major 20180617 20:06:31<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 20:06:32<+discordbot2> you become successful 20180617 20:06:40<+discordbot2> and have 10+ gf playing this game 20180617 20:06:41<+discordbot2> go 20180617 20:06:44<+discordbot2> June 22 is my final exam 20180617 20:06:50<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ fuck finals 20180617 20:06:54<+discordbot2> tell your professor 20180617 20:06:59<+discordbot2> you dont like finals 20180617 20:07:00<+discordbot2> its not the right moment to give up 20180617 20:07:06<+discordbot2> IT IS 20180617 20:07:07<+discordbot2> comeon! 20180617 20:07:08<+discordbot2> Mine is 29 ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 20:07:09<+discordbot2> after completing everything 20180617 20:07:13<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 20:07:21<+discordbot2> 10pm hmmm 20180617 20:07:26<+discordbot2> what timezone 20180617 20:07:29<+discordbot2> I am 1pm 20180617 20:07:45<+discordbot2> its 10 pm im the same as Hejne 20180617 20:10:56<+discordbot2> alright 20180617 20:10:57<+discordbot2> so 20180617 20:10:59<+discordbot2> no one play 20180617 20:12:08<+discordbot2> Do you live in amercia? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180617 20:13:17<+discordbot2> I would play, but I'm working on some spell menus right now... 20180617 20:13:19<+discordbot2> yeah in CA 20180617 20:13:26<+discordbot2> spell menus... 20180617 20:13:27<+discordbot2> We are in UTC +1 time zone 20180617 20:13:29<+discordbot2> watz that 20180617 20:13:47<+discordbot2> a menu... for spells? ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 20:14:28<+discordbot2> like 20180617 20:14:41<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/458001557170946059/unknown.png 20180617 20:14:54<+discordbot2> WTF 20180617 20:15:00<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜ฏ 20180617 20:15:13<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180617 20:15:40<+discordbot2> AAA 20180617 20:15:51<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜ฑ 20180617 20:16:05<+discordbot2> alright, what we play 20180617 20:16:08<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿค” 20180617 20:16:18<+discordbot2> 1v1 2v2 ffa comp stomp 20180617 20:17:24<+discordbot2> im gonna play a 1v1 with this book right here on my desk, if i can finish it before midnight i won 20180617 20:18:18<+discordbot2> Go go Krogen i belive in you! 20180617 20:18:24<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜’ 20180617 20:18:25<+discordbot2> no 20180617 20:18:34<+discordbot2> I will feel guilty to play this 20180617 20:18:50<+discordbot2> if I won, I legit bashed a guy that gonna have a final soon 20180617 20:18:54<+discordbot2> if I lose 20180617 20:19:06<+discordbot2> I legit lose a guy that is playing me while reading books 20180617 20:19:10<+discordbot2> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180617 20:19:47<+discordbot2> i will save you the guilt by only reading this book 20180617 20:30:47-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 20:35:10-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180617 21:11:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 21:11:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 21:17:49-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180617 21:24:50-!- octalot [~steve@91.141.1.216.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180617 22:16:34-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1BD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180617 22:18:57-!- Bhoren [~Bhoren_wh@2a01:e0a:c:2150:7800:e9ce:277c:5e4b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180617 22:44:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Jun 18 00:00:01 2018