--- Log opened Wed Jun 20 00:00:04 2018 20180620 00:30:43<+discordbot2> abuot coherant engilsh 20180620 00:31:37<+discordbot2> I assmue dat engliesh isant officail here 20180620 00:31:48<+discordbot2> Very funny. 20180620 00:34:09<+discordbot2> hablo un poco de espanol 20180620 00:36:07-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180620 00:37:04<+discordbot2> Ahhhh Flameheart that is so sweet XDD 20180620 00:37:10<+discordbot2> it is official here though :p 20180620 00:44:23<+discordbot2> by the way is this inspired by Darknut from LoZ series?? Very nice :) OwOO 20180620 00:44:23<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/458794195688226816/add-ons24Ageless_Era24images24portraits24chaos24razerman.png 20180620 00:44:29<+discordbot2> Thats a great drawing!! 20180620 00:44:59<+discordbot2> I have no idea. The artist didn't say anything about any particular references at least. 20180620 00:45:14<+discordbot2> Ahh ok :p. Very well designed OwO.. 20180620 00:51:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 00:51:42-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 01:15:56<+discordbot2> I agree. I really like that artist's style. 20180620 01:17:13<+discordbot2> in fact I recycled that portrait for Infiknight in Argentum Age 20180620 01:37:51<+discordbot2> :) 20180620 03:28:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 03:28:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 03:48:28-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lifssmcozxmnusro] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180620 05:02:11-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 05:23:17-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180620 05:25:44-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180620 05:33:09-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eppuuteylzwihrjv] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 05:36:13-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 05:47:36-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180620 05:55:53-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 05:57:20-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eppuuteylzwihrjv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180620 06:24:54-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kqjdnrejsjvbmybk] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 06:24:56-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180620 06:27:08-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180620 06:27:34-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 06:27:45-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180620 06:27:45-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 06:31:01-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 06:31:33<+discordbot2> I find it sweet and important in a good way when people put me in my place OwO... :) 20180620 07:34:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 07:35:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 08:05:56-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 08:36:40<+discordbot2> Hypothetically speaking, if you guys had the resources to make a competitive esport out of this game, would it be a good one? 20180620 08:37:49-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 08:38:04<+discordbot2> It would be very different from usual eSports. Instead of fast-paced gameplay, it would be about making decisions. 20180620 08:38:04< Soliton> is chess a good esport? 20180620 08:41:42-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-159-18.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 08:48:46<+discordbot2> Idk what an esport is supposed to mean 20180620 08:55:51<+discordbot2> I was thinking on that too, the original question was bad so let me try again 20180620 08:55:59<+discordbot2> I don't think Wesnoth design would be good for esports 20180620 08:56:21<+discordbot2> Would it be a good spectator sport, and is the game in its current state balanced enough for competitive play? 20180620 08:56:57<+discordbot2> I don't think it's that interesting sitting there and watching someone doing nothing, but thinking 20180620 08:57:05<+discordbot2> also, randomness 20180620 08:57:19<+discordbot2> also, visually there is not much happening 20180620 08:57:41<+discordbot2> also, who cares about esports 20180620 08:58:19<+discordbot2> Well, there are people who watch chess tournaments. So it's not unimaginable that people would also watch Wesnoth tournaments. 20180620 08:58:32<+discordbot2> Chess is faster than wesnoth, though. 20180620 08:59:05<+discordbot2> idk i mean u can make a chess game last two minutes but i dont see how a wesnoth game could only last two minutes 20180620 08:59:18<+discordbot2> Not that it matters? People enjoy 8 hour long chess games 20180620 08:59:46<+discordbot2> @jyrkive well, yes, it appears there is no such activity possible that you would not find anyone to watch 20180620 08:59:56<+discordbot2> doesn't mean it would find that big audience 20180620 09:00:03<+discordbot2> chess has a huge history 20180620 09:00:34<+discordbot2> I like the times of average chess games, because they are as follows: Casual chess: about an hour Speed chess: ten minutes Chess tournamenst: somewhere between ten minutes and eight hours 20180620 09:06:17<+discordbot2> Wesnoth games can last well over an hour, too 20180620 09:06:25<+discordbot2> I've had plenty of such games 🀷 20180620 09:07:10<+discordbot2> I also believe that default era is balanced enough for competitive play 20180620 09:07:17<+discordbot2> And has been for quite some time 20180620 09:09:09<+discordbot2> I enjoy watching people play Wesnoth 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and even 4v4. I frequently watch ladder matches, and ladder match replays. Too bad there aren't a lot of people playing 2v2 or bigger team maps lately. 20180620 09:09:13<+discordbot2> Oh well. 20180620 09:16:01-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-uqmhhcbyvdlegosl] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 09:22:22<+discordbot2> watching them in real time or replays? 20180620 09:22:51-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-159-18.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20180620 09:22:57-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-uqmhhcbyvdlegosl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180620 09:44:13<+discordbot2> First you have to make an anime about it, like Hikaru no Go. 20180620 09:44:59<+discordbot2> I actually think an anime about competitive Wesnoth play could be very successful if it is done well, and it would put interest through the roof. 20180620 09:46:34<+discordbot2> lol 20180620 09:47:55<+discordbot2> I watch them real time and I watch replays, when I'm not playing ladder matches myself. 20180620 09:48:03<+discordbot2> And yes, that'd be a splendid idea sapient πŸ˜„ 20180620 09:48:06<+discordbot2> you laugh but am I wrong? as long as we're talking about big budget hypotheticals 20180620 09:49:33<+discordbot2> The ladder sure used to be a lot more active back in the day 😭 20180620 09:52:42<+discordbot2> Hikaru No Go was an awesome anime series, too, BTW. I'd put in my top five. 20180620 09:52:59<+discordbot2> And I don't even have a competitive bone in my body. 20180620 09:54:04<+discordbot2> Yeah HnG is one of my all-time favourites as well. 20180620 09:54:21<+discordbot2> I recently re-watched it πŸ‘Œ 20180620 09:54:59<+discordbot2> I've watched it the whole way through three times, which is more than I've watched any others 20180620 09:55:02<+discordbot2> Oh I don't see playing Wesnoth ladder matches as me competing. I see it as more of a learning experience and keeping the mind working πŸ‘ 20180620 09:55:30<+discordbot2> Keeping the mind from slacking off πŸ˜‰ 20180620 09:55:53<+discordbot2> ah, for that I use programming and reading 20180620 09:56:15<+discordbot2> I do that, too :onesieRelief: 20180620 09:56:49<+discordbot2> Dang it.. there are way too many things to occupy my mind and time with, and so little time to do it all.. which is terrible, since I'm awful at prioritizing. 20180620 10:16:51< zookeeper> i'd think anything big-budget based on a one-sentence description has the potential to be very successful. 20180620 10:17:56< Soliton> if it is well done. 20180620 10:38:06<+discordbot2> shit 20180620 10:38:15<+discordbot2> is dat update happening this week 20180620 10:38:23<+discordbot2> I didnt submit change request yet 20180620 10:38:26<+discordbot2> the campaign is fucked 20180620 10:38:27<+discordbot2> lol 20180620 10:43:56< zookeeper> ..? 20180620 10:46:16<+discordbot2> the topic in the development channel is: 1.14.4 delayed. New date TBD. 20180620 10:46:27<+discordbot2> So I don't think it's coming soon 20180620 11:14:02<+discordbot2> The 1.14 changelog page claims: "Switching to another application while Wesnoth is running now pauses the music by default. If you’d prefer it to keep playing, there is an option for that." 20180620 11:14:46<+discordbot2> Works perfectly for me πŸ˜ƒ 20180620 11:14:46<+discordbot2> It was turned off by default for me 20180620 11:14:58<+discordbot2> Yeah, it works, but I didn't know it existed and it was turned off. 20180620 11:15:04<+discordbot2> Oh. 20180620 11:20:17<+discordbot2> I can't find out where that preference is stored 20180620 11:26:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 11:26:58<+discordbot2> It's in the preferences file in your userdata directory. 20180620 11:27:00<+discordbot2> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EditingWesnoth#How_to_get_there_2 20180620 11:27:26<+discordbot2> Specifically the option called stop_music_in_background. 20180620 11:27:32<+discordbot2> I implemented that option. 20180620 11:29:36<+discordbot2> ahh, in the userdata, of course, I forgot about that 20180620 11:29:47<+discordbot2> anyway, can you make sure it is actually enabled by default? 20180620 11:30:16<+discordbot2> I don't remember disabling it and it's not really something that I could have done by accident... 20180620 11:30:52<+discordbot2> also, isn't it a bit weird to store some preferences in userdata and some in the game folder? 20180620 11:32:31<+discordbot2> Hmm, looks like it's indeed disabled by default. 20180620 11:32:32<+discordbot2> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/674#issuecomment-229056118 20180620 11:32:56<+discordbot2> IIRC, we don't store any preferences in the game folder. 20180620 11:33:18<+discordbot2> advanced preferences are in the game folder 20180620 11:33:32<+discordbot2> advanced_preferences.cfg file 20180620 11:33:40<+discordbot2> in wesnoth/data, to be precise 20180620 11:34:15< Soliton> that's the definition of what advanced preferences there are. 20180620 11:34:30<+discordbot2> ahh, you are right 20180620 11:34:30<+discordbot2> That's not where changed advanced preferences go if you change them in the Preferences dialog. 20180620 11:34:43<+discordbot2> yes, I see, it only has default values 20180620 11:34:44<+discordbot2> They are also stored in the userdata directory. 20180620 11:38:28<+discordbot2> Preferences used to be stored in the game folder pre-Steam, however 20180620 11:38:30<+discordbot2> AFAIK 20180620 11:38:45<+discordbot2> Albeit in userdata, yes 20180620 11:38:52<+discordbot2> *subfolder userdata 20180620 11:38:59<+discordbot2> πŸ€” 20180620 11:39:26< Soliton> only on windows and the installer has an option for it. 20180620 11:39:39< Ravana_> had 20180620 11:39:43<+discordbot2> Ah 20180620 11:39:54<+discordbot2> You guys've made me really interested in campaign creation :onesieRelief: 20180620 11:40:36<+discordbot2> Perhaps I should make a campaign to go along with this faction I'm working on. Could be fun. I think I will πŸ‘Œ 20180620 12:01:57<+discordbot2> ok, I read the comments to that pull request, so I see it's not a bug, but intentional to make that option turned off by default. Does it make sense to report the wrong info that's posted in here https://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.14/ ? 20180620 12:36:00-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 12:37:38< Soliton> certainly would be nice if that page were correct and there don't seem to be many translations of it anyway... 20180620 14:17:51<+discordbot2> Welp. 20180620 15:40:58-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 15:50:39-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 16:36:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 16:36:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 16:51:55-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 17:03:12-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 17:03:34-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Client Quit] 20180620 17:32:49-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180620 17:39:48-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 18:35:54-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 18:56:43-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED184B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 20:20:15-!- MadMerlin [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180620 20:22:14-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 20:52:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 21:11:52-!- gallaecio [~quassel@188.79.96.255] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180620 21:27:04-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180620 21:36:52< Ravana_> I just noticed my bot has been connected to old server instance for last 2 days 20180620 21:39:13< Ravana_> I did implement reconnecting in that case some time ago, but seems I have broken it again 20180620 21:39:24< Ravana_> not really possible to test that 20180620 21:40:00<+discordbot2> It is possible actually, if you send your test server a message like we do to the production server. 20180620 21:40:21< Ravana_> q lobbymsg works to replicate this? 20180620 21:41:41<+discordbot2> cpp process_command( "msg The server has been restarted. You may finish current games but can't start new ones and " "new players can't join this (old) server instance. (So if a player of your game disconnects " "you have to save, reconnect and reload the game on the new server instance. It is actually " "recommended to do that right away.)", issuer_name ); 20180620 21:41:51<+discordbot2> I believe this is equivalent to /query msg. 20180620 21:42:51<+discordbot2> It's not exactly bulletproof since we can change the message server-side any time if we decide we need to (as unlikely as it is), but you normally watch for changes to the server I think. 20180620 21:43:02< Soliton> since your bot is presumably in the lobby lobbymsg comes out to the same thing. 20180620 21:43:34<+discordbot2> So basically if you get a message from 'server' saying 'restarted', you can probably assume the server was restarted. 20180620 21:44:19< Ravana_> thanks 20180620 21:44:29< Soliton> how goes the user list, btw? still issues with duplicate entries etc? 20180620 21:44:56< Ravana_> not since that server commit 20180620 21:46:19< Soliton> excellent. 20180620 21:46:28< Ravana_> I have basic in game support - to observe and leave game, and command to send raw wml that I used for long range attacking - but by itself bot remains in lobby 20180620 21:52:51<+discordbot2> β€œsend raw wml that I used for long range attacking” what exactly is that? 20180620 21:54:02< Ravana_> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/3262 20180620 21:58:28< Ravana_> I found those 2 keys from source code, so I decided to try them out 20180620 22:01:44<+discordbot2> I see, thanks. 20180620 22:02:00< Ravana_> I think they can be used instead of harm_unit to do real ranged attacks 20180620 22:02:08< Ravana_> but I don't have any addons with ranged attacks 20180620 22:04:27<+discordbot2> some ranged attacks should be able to attack one more square in 20180620 22:04:44<+discordbot2> I can't shoot people from across rivers 😦 20180620 22:05:16< Ravana_> and some ranged attacks are able to do so 20180620 22:05:24<+discordbot2> oh they are? 20180620 22:05:26<+discordbot2> which ones? 20180620 22:05:28< Ravana_> generally implemented with harm_unit 20180620 22:05:38< Ravana_> enclave certainly has some in his addons 20180620 22:07:38<+discordbot2> which one? 20180620 22:09:05< Ravana_> civ versions most likely 20180620 22:10:21< Ravana_> I just saw I have reached top of 1.14 by downloads 20180620 22:10:40< Ravana_> and places 2 and 3 are dependency 20180620 22:12:15<+discordbot2> got it thanks 20180620 22:13:16<+discordbot2> ah I see y9ou have, congratulations 20180620 22:13:24<+discordbot2> I played ageless era when I was introduced to game 20180620 22:20:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 22:26:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 22:26:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 22:45:34-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 22:48:51-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180620 23:06:35-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@124x38x163x22.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180620 23:34:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180620 23:34:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 23:41:10-!- MadMerlin [~neil@206-248-167-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180620 23:59:34-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Thu Jun 21 00:00:02 2018