--- Log opened Mon Jun 25 00:00:07 2018 20180625 00:13:01-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180625 02:00:45-!- gfgt [~androirc@2001:638:60e:834:2975:fe68:8e18:bd48] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 02:35:14-!- gfgt [~androirc@2001:638:60e:834:2975:fe68:8e18:bd48] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180625 02:35:25-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 03:04:56-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180625 03:57:09-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180625 04:04:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 04:04:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 04:07:04-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 04:50:25-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180625 05:14:12-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 05:50:07-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180625 06:20:41-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 06:30:07<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/460693140366426112/image.jpg 20180625 06:30:23<+discordbot2> Instant growth, number one rated, last ten times longer!! OuO 20180625 06:32:25<+discordbot2> Lol just for your safety though... never trust these kinds of ads that say "with this one SIMPLE trick!" or "with this one weird trick!" etc.. They are waste ;_; please stay safe!! 20180625 06:32:32<+discordbot2> I just thought this was cute and funny x33 20180625 06:44:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 06:54:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 07:28:11-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 07:38:05-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180625 07:48:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 07:48:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 08:40:28-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 08:45:27-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 08:50:11-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 09:00:36<+discordbot2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/460731008950468608/this_is_a_bad_unit.png 20180625 09:00:49-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 09:01:51-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 09:07:43<+discordbot2> @Vultraz Are we supposed to be able to use markup in AMLA names? 20180625 09:08:32<+discordbot2> The fix is trivial, for the record. Just have the author use < instead of < and > instead of >. 20180625 09:08:54<+discordbot2> (And & instead of & if applicable.) 20180625 09:08:57<+discordbot2> IIRC, pango is enabled there 20180625 09:09:09<+discordbot2> Well, obviously, that's the only way the screenshot above can happen. 20180625 09:09:14<+discordbot2> I'm asking if it's a feature or an oversight. 20180625 09:33:04-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 09:33:21-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180625 10:30:13<+discordbot2> @shadowm feature 20180625 10:30:52<+discordbot2> it was requested and I specifically added it 20180625 10:32:14<+discordbot2> I wonder why do many people are using <> 20180625 10:33:40<+discordbot2> Because it worked without issues before 1.14 since the dialog didn't use Pango markup. 20180625 10:34:40<+discordbot2> IOW they have no idea this is a thing now, so they're working under the assumption that it isn't. 20180625 10:35:20-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 10:36:50-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 10:50:33-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180625 10:51:46-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 10:59:21-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ixnnzyyvgcblgcld] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 11:28:37-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 11:42:06-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 12:37:25<+discordbot2> In general I think it is good to be obtrusive with such error messages, as long as the player is able to proceed. 20180625 12:40:10<+discordbot2> It's just unfortunate for them to be caught off guard. 20180625 12:40:30<+discordbot2> the add-on authors I mean 20180625 12:41:14<+discordbot2> To be fair, the add-on author would notice changes like this even with cursory testing. 20180625 12:41:53<+discordbot2> even so, many of them wouldn't be aware of HTML entity rules 20180625 12:42:21<+discordbot2> ideally they should have gotten a heads-up with the steps to correct it. 20180625 12:42:56<+discordbot2> but since the players are able to proceed, and it's a simple fix, it doesn't feel like a huge deal to me. 20180625 12:44:22<+discordbot2> something to remember for next time a field is made pango-aware 20180625 12:47:38-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:03:32-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lsxwyntovilfpwrp] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 13:06:17-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ixnnzyyvgcblgcld] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180625 13:13:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:13:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 13:15:34-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180625 13:18:40<+discordbot2> I think wesnoth AMLA 20180625 13:18:55<+discordbot2> is always bit discourageous design 20180625 13:19:17<+discordbot2> it can be developed further to make ranking AMLA units a viable alternative 20180625 13:19:30<+discordbot2> than spaming more units for advancements 20180625 13:20:55-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:21:03-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 13:21:15<+discordbot2> for example, we can make AMLA no longer stack up to higher XP ceilings 20180625 13:21:34<+discordbot2> lock it at 100/150/200 no longer x120%^N spam 20180625 13:21:43<+discordbot2> and give maybe 4 HP instead of 3 20180625 13:22:28<+discordbot2> allowing it to still punish no recruitments and constant RPG style XP piling for singularly few units 20180625 13:22:33<+discordbot2> but punish less than current meta 20180625 13:23:31<+discordbot2> It may actually be better to allow it +5% HP instead of +4 20180625 13:23:48<+discordbot2> because HP's meaning for different units is vastly different 20180625 13:24:19<+discordbot2> ghost +4HP is way more meaningful than orc lords 20180625 13:30:18-!- gfg [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 13:33:12-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 13:33:34< Ravana_> you understand you suggest exponential power for polynomial cost 20180625 13:36:19<+discordbot2> it would have to be 5% (or whatever) of the base HP of the unit 20180625 13:37:13<+discordbot2> but I'm not sure, such change sounds quite drastic and would imbalance campaigns for little gain 20180625 13:51:12-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 14:54:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 14:54:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 15:32:15-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-nzkfqkgvkcgcwhuj] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 15:32:21-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-lsxwyntovilfpwrp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180625 15:35:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 16:13:36<+discordbot2> Imho current ALMA system is fine as it is, it serves well it's purpose of teaching new players how to distribute the experience his units gain, I see no improvement to this goal with the changes proposed. 20180625 16:37:33<+discordbot2> I wasnt able to follow the chat to understand exactly what the proposed changes were, but I believe that changing AMLA for units in any way would cause slight balancing issues with most campaigns, most of which are considered finished pieces of work, and also I believe Noy had some fervent reason not to change AMLA when once requested 20180625 16:37:45<+discordbot2> P.s. is it ALMA or AMLA? 20180625 16:37:52-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180625 16:38:35<+discordbot2> AMLA. After Maximum Level Advancement. 20180625 16:38:47<+discordbot2> Okay thank you 😊 20180625 16:39:10<+discordbot2> it also seems like 20180625 16:40:06<+discordbot2> a very small part of the game maybe, well in campaigns you dont really have much time usually to try to create some super unit guy, but well i guess restraining order makes nice ❤ 20180625 16:41:46<+discordbot2> Hey guys , i have a question for you : do you think that the rebel 's faction is broken and if yes what can counter them ? 20180625 16:42:42<+discordbot2> broken? What do you mean by that? 20180625 16:42:42<+discordbot2> I dont think its broken, although very good against undead. For counter I'm not good enough to know but i'd presume drakes? 20180625 16:43:10< Soliton> any of the other 5 factions in default can counter them. 20180625 16:43:34<+discordbot2> also mirrored rebels 20180625 16:43:45<+discordbot2> I mean that there are a bit bettert than the other faction @Landiss 20180625 16:44:10<+discordbot2> I don't think so 20180625 16:45:07<+discordbot2> Because i play them against friend and they say that so i check on the forum and they say a bit that too 20180625 16:46:23<+discordbot2> well, I think it's one of the easier factions to play 20180625 16:46:47<+discordbot2> There have historically speaking, been a lot of noobies who claim rebels are the best faction or whatever 20180625 16:46:50<+discordbot2> quite universal basic units, but also very varied unit selection with all attack types available + magic + healing 20180625 16:46:54< Soliton> what maps are you playing on? 20180625 16:47:43<+discordbot2> they should be pretty balanced, no reason to believe otherwise without example games of a top player getting crushed by rebels. Rebels are also not great for attacking 20180625 16:47:45-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-nzkfqkgvkcgcwhuj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180625 16:48:04<+discordbot2> At least thats what I think xoxo 20180625 16:48:17<+discordbot2> Ok thanks 20180625 16:49:25-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cbqcbjurmslqlfwa] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 16:49:30<+discordbot2> I have another question how much can you push the "skill" and the strategy in this game ? 20180625 16:49:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 16:49:58<+discordbot2> a lot 20180625 16:50:35<+discordbot2> Ok so there is a real "pro" level to reach 20180625 16:50:52<+discordbot2> Absolutely 20180625 16:51:00<+discordbot2> well, at least from my point of view 20180625 16:51:51<+discordbot2> I don't play multiplayer much, especially nowadays, but I used to more in the past and well, there were players that would crush me every time and I couldn't really see how 20180625 16:51:52<+discordbot2> I kind of want to see something similar to alphazero develop like a perfect wesnoth AI lol 20180625 16:52:02<+discordbot2> same 20180625 16:52:24<+discordbot2> even if luck was on my side 20180625 16:52:41<+discordbot2> Ok thanks for your answer 20180625 16:53:58-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 16:54:51<+discordbot2> yeah there is also luck management 20180625 16:55:21<+discordbot2> No worries 😉 20180625 16:56:01<+discordbot2> Everyone here is so nice 👍 20180625 17:05:29<+discordbot2> Wesnoth probably is way more complex than chess, but there's probably more of a steep learning curve in chess, or similar, due to popularity and nature of game. Wesnoth definitely has room for competitive curvature too xoxoxoxo because chess engine is better than best chess human, but wesnoth AI dont really have much potential to be better than best human (i cant imagine AI getting stronger than Dauntless anytime soon) 20180625 17:05:36<+discordbot2> ;)) 20180625 17:17:26-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 17:40:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 17:40:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 17:55:13<+discordbot2> I think AMLA could use a little upgrade, by a few hitpoints or something, but other than that, I think it's balanced. 20180625 18:03:18-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 18:15:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 18:26:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 18:27:26-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 18:35:11-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 18:38:46-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-cbqcbjurmslqlfwa] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180625 18:48:25-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 18:50:44-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180625 18:55:39<+discordbot2> > Wesnoth probably is way more complex than chess, but there's probably more of a steep learning curve in chess, There is a sharp distinction. There is no random component in chess, therefore it is possible to calculate precisely very deep variations. Randomness dilutes tactical skill skill in this respect. 20180625 18:56:34<+discordbot2> From the resource management standpoint, there's a good analog of gold in chess: clock time. With classical time control, 20 minutes is worth a pawn. 20180625 18:58:26<+discordbot2> I don't like chess 20180625 18:58:56<+discordbot2> too un random 20180625 18:59:24<+discordbot2> I like it, I just dislike when it's timed, because I like time to actually think about my moves. 20180625 18:59:50<+discordbot2> when I have the time to think about my moves I get fed up and impatient at my own self for taking too long 20180625 18:59:58<+discordbot2> I can't imagine how it must be for the other player 20180625 19:01:14<+discordbot2> Playing chess w/o time control is like playing Wesnoth with infinite gold 😃 20180625 19:01:34<+discordbot2> I see what you mean by that 20180625 19:01:44<+discordbot2> well you ave the time control of finishing it before you die 20180625 19:01:55<+discordbot2> and income to live on 20180625 19:02:08<+discordbot2> while you dedicate your entire life to one chess game 20180625 19:02:12<+discordbot2> You basically trade time for position quality. The higher your skill, better your exchange ratio 20180625 19:02:17<+discordbot2> I like chess but it's not my favorite board game. My favorite board games are games like Risk and A&A, war board games, combining randomness, strategy, and economy. 20180625 19:02:29<+discordbot2> When I was developing a chess engine (a program that plays chess) myself, I preferred it to playing chess myself. 20180625 19:02:43<+discordbot2> Playing is one thing. Writing code that plays automatically is another. 😛 20180625 19:02:45<+discordbot2> I like risk when I am with people who I can't play much superior online game which is kind of like it 20180625 19:02:52<+discordbot2> with 20180625 19:03:03<+discordbot2> http://atwar-game.com 20180625 19:03:38<+discordbot2> it even takes shorted than risk if you pick a small map and has much more skill 20180625 19:03:48<+discordbot2> If you like risk then you should check out Warzone 💝 20180625 19:03:54<+discordbot2> I'm sure wesnoth is similar 20180625 19:03:54<+discordbot2> no 20180625 19:03:56<+discordbot2> fuck off 20180625 19:03:58<+discordbot2> warzone sucks 20180625 19:03:59<+discordbot2> wait 20180625 19:04:04<+discordbot2> is that warlight 20180625 19:04:06<+discordbot2> renamed 20180625 19:04:07<+discordbot2> Lol yes 20180625 19:04:08<+discordbot2> yes 20180625 19:04:09<+discordbot2> it is 20180625 19:04:24<+discordbot2> Risk's good, but I like A&A [Axis and Allies] more. It's like Risk on steroids. 20180625 19:04:37<+discordbot2> atwar is probably better 20180625 19:04:44<+discordbot2> it's certainly better than warlight 20180625 19:04:47<+discordbot2> I never played it :p 20180625 19:04:50<+discordbot2> interesting, thank you <3 20180625 19:05:10<+discordbot2> np, surprising as I think most players from both games know the other games 20180625 19:05:26<+discordbot2> or was that axis and allies 20180625 19:05:30<+discordbot2> Lol :) 20180625 19:05:41<+discordbot2> whatever you like :]] 20180625 19:06:16<+discordbot2> atwar only one that has free movement 20180625 19:06:48<+discordbot2> better than eu4 imo 20180625 19:06:52<+discordbot2> I dont like eu4 wasted money 20180625 19:07:06<+discordbot2> I like A&A for a lot of reasons, such as the unit types, randomness, upgrades, and economy, but I'll admit there are better games. Even though I have spent likely more than 24 hours total in seperate sessions solo playing the game 20180625 19:07:18<+discordbot2> There is a curious mathematical concept. The higher the random component, the closer is the limit beyond which tactical planning becomes impractical, since the impresicion accumulates. It can be compared with Lyapunov time (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyapunov_time) 20180625 19:07:26<+discordbot2> only 24? 20180625 19:07:28<+discordbot2> nothing 20180625 19:08:38<+discordbot2> eh depends what kind of random components 20180625 19:08:48<+discordbot2> you could probably add a lot of them before it becomes anything like that 20180625 19:09:06<+discordbot2> I'm just kinda busy and don't have too much spare time, but more than 24. 20180625 19:09:15<+discordbot2> If I had more spare time I will. 20180625 19:09:45<+discordbot2> The only thing I don't like is when I play multi then play as the USSR, I always fall to the Germany player 20180625 19:10:41<+discordbot2> how fixed are you? you have other time lines and customisable maps/countries? 20180625 19:12:13<+discordbot2> I play it on the board. It's got territories like Risk, and starts in 1943, I think. There's 5 world powers, and I often play as the USSR because I mainly just have to focus on land forces, but the only thing I have advantage with is infantry. Due to setup, Germany always starts with way more tanks and fighters. 20180625 19:12:20<+discordbot2> Fighters as in warplanes. 20180625 19:12:21<+discordbot2> er 20180625 19:12:24<+discordbot2> >board games 20180625 19:12:26<+discordbot2> >2018 20180625 19:12:31<+discordbot2> 🤔 20180625 19:12:33-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 19:12:57<+discordbot2> I guess you are saving your eyes slightly 20180625 19:13:02<+discordbot2> I already have glasses so 20180625 19:13:33<+discordbot2> if you think it is possible to replace board gaming with PC gaming, you are wrong 20180625 19:13:39<+discordbot2> those are simply 2 very different things 20180625 19:13:42<+discordbot2> I am a professional chess player 20180625 19:13:46<+discordbot2> I think I am just future orientated 20180625 19:13:49<+discordbot2> kinda 20180625 19:14:04<+discordbot2> The future will still have board games. 20180625 19:14:08<+discordbot2> there is nothing "future orientated" in dismissing board games, which, if anything, gain popularity, not the other way around 20180625 19:14:15<+discordbot2> Ooh eyes. I have bad eye sight but when I worked out and ate a lot of greens and consumed a lot of lutein 20180625 19:14:20<+discordbot2> I feel that it made my eyesight better 20180625 19:14:26<+discordbot2> no they will have computers that just run on equipment ifferent to monitors 20180625 19:14:43<+discordbot2> they are gaining popularity yes 20180625 19:14:58<+discordbot2> but they are not in theory superior 20180625 19:15:22<+discordbot2> you are confused, boardgames are not popular because there are some current technical limits to transfer them for PC 20180625 19:15:34<+discordbot2> In a natural disaster, electricity will often lack in areas hit by hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc, meaning such games played on the Web are inaccessable. Board games, if you have all the peices, are highly accessable. 20180625 19:15:35<+discordbot2> I never said that 20180625 19:15:39<+discordbot2> they are popular, because they offer something different to playing on PC 20180625 19:15:39<+discordbot2> it would be a stupid thing to say 20180625 19:16:03<+discordbot2> ok, then don't know what you are saying 😃 20180625 19:16:10<+discordbot2> Computers dominate many board games, but people still play them 20180625 19:16:18<+discordbot2> When I say computers I mean programs that play the game with/for you 20180625 19:16:27<+discordbot2> board games willbe augmented using tech nd they will no longer be pure board games 20180625 19:16:43<+discordbot2> it has already happened 20180625 19:16:47<+discordbot2> many boardgames have an app 20180625 19:16:48<+discordbot2> yes somewhat 20180625 19:16:53<+discordbot2> I think physical board games will stay alive 20180625 19:16:55-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 19:17:01<+discordbot2> but that doesn't mean there won't be regular boardgames anymore 20180625 19:17:01<+discordbot2> boardgames will still have physical forms 20180625 19:17:03<+discordbot2> monitors are physical 20180625 19:17:19<+discordbot2> hologram gaming with a computer sounds pretty cool 20180625 19:17:24<+discordbot2> Ooh indeed :) 20180625 19:17:25<+discordbot2> but that is missing the point 20180625 19:17:54<+discordbot2> you play boardgames not for the games itself, but for having time with friends 20180625 19:18:07<+discordbot2> This 20180625 19:18:11<+discordbot2> yes, which people already spend time on seperated without lan parties 20180625 19:18:24<+discordbot2> with their friends from normal life or online 20180625 19:18:31<+discordbot2> Myself, I really like the boards as well. The pure detail in some surprises me. 20180625 19:18:33<+discordbot2> as I'm saying, one does not exclude the other 20180625 19:18:56<+discordbot2> the board will dissapear in favour of some thing else with physical presence 20180625 19:19:02<+discordbot2> I think you will agree that playing with someone online is very different experience to play someone at the same table 20180625 19:19:03<+discordbot2> apart from being a fossil 20180625 19:19:12<+discordbot2> unless you have never really played boardgames with friends 20180625 19:19:14<+discordbot2> yes somewhat 20180625 19:19:54<+discordbot2> if things worked like you said, there wouldn't be books anymore 20180625 19:20:01<+discordbot2> all would be replaced with e-book readers 20180625 19:20:04<+discordbot2> I don't think board games will disappear, I don't think the boards will disappear. 20180625 19:20:20<+discordbot2> but actually the trends have now turned upside down, with paper books market growing faster 20180625 19:20:30<+discordbot2> I'm sure if an e reader that looked exactly likea book was made it wold replace books forever 20180625 19:20:40<+discordbot2> and I think it is probably possible at some point to do so 20180625 19:20:52<+discordbot2> why would you have e-reader with 500 or more screens 20180625 19:21:18<+discordbot2> well I used to play on tableotp simulator all the time 20180625 19:21:19<+discordbot2> *tabletop 20180625 19:21:32<+discordbot2> the FUTURE 20180625 19:22:06<+discordbot2> You guys are so smart :))) 20180625 19:22:12<+discordbot2> I am just dumb unfortunately.. 20180625 19:22:20<+discordbot2> You're not. 20180625 19:22:27<+discordbot2> ahh thank you for saying that :D 20180625 19:22:35<+discordbot2> tell that to my shit tier uni which unfortunately specialises in astrophysics not quantum physics 20180625 19:23:09<+discordbot2> I dont even want to go to university or college! 20180625 19:23:14<+discordbot2> its so intimidating for me 20180625 19:23:19<+discordbot2> don't let others bring you down 20180625 19:23:28<+discordbot2> In non-computer boardgames, there's another dimension of fun: painting the miniatures. 20180625 19:23:39<+discordbot2> ah, that is something I never tried 20180625 19:23:44<+discordbot2> the right uni degrees are not overvalued at all 20180625 19:23:55<+discordbot2> it being very costly is what stopped me 20180625 19:23:59<+discordbot2> If you ask me, e-books aren't even that great an invention. Take a book, then bring it to a computer without any improvements whatsoever. Visual novels are an example about how to enhance the medium with the available technology. 20180625 19:24:05<+discordbot2> From quantum physics and theories thereof, we can come to the conclusion that the future is not predictable. Just because we have something now does not mean we will not have it in the future. It may be what you have said, or I. But for now, the future can not be too easily predicted, we cannot assume what can happen, if we do not know if it will. 20180625 19:24:06<+discordbot2> well I guess if you live in the us 20180625 19:24:15<+discordbot2> This was painted by one of the best painters in our local boardgamong community https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/223280/245636107.4e/0_1571d7_da0b8bde_orig 20180625 19:24:26<+discordbot2> Isn't it nice? 20180625 19:24:28<+discordbot2> in which case just go for the most profitable degree and make shitloads of money that hardly gets taxed 20180625 19:24:37<+discordbot2> as long as you live in the right state I guess 20180625 19:24:48<+discordbot2> I mean you dont get to follow your heart 20180625 19:24:51<+discordbot2> but hey money 20180625 19:24:53<+discordbot2> This possibility is missing from tabletop simulator 20180625 19:25:05<+discordbot2> and art is a leeching subject anyway 20180625 19:25:30<+discordbot2> @jyrkive but books don't need to "improve". Visual novels are something different, not better. 20180625 19:25:35<+discordbot2> I live in Utah, and from what I know, you have 5% flat tax here, and you get to keep a lot of it. I love it here, and the oppurtunities provided. 20180625 19:25:47<+discordbot2> I'm not sure that's what quantum physics is but okay 20180625 19:25:49<+discordbot2> IMO, it's somewhat similar to email. 20180625 19:26:03<+discordbot2> I know it's not. 20180625 19:26:09<+discordbot2> @jyrkive ebook is so much more compact though 20180625 19:26:12<+discordbot2> Due to being modeled after paper mail, it has too many shortcomings that modern tools don't need. 20180625 19:26:13<+discordbot2> compare this to movies and theater, one does not replace the other 20180625 19:26:22<+discordbot2> I was just saying here we have a lot of oppurtinity and if you want to be hired, you likely can here. 20180625 19:26:34<+discordbot2> you are comparing art to a tool 20180625 19:26:42<+discordbot2> Quantum physics is unrelated to the third post from the bottom from here I said 20180625 19:27:03<+discordbot2> art is for those who have the luxury of art 20180625 19:27:27<+discordbot2> personally what I love about ebooks is the fact that you just can have access to incredibely huge library of books available with one click 20180625 19:27:33<+discordbot2> or rather, one touch 20180625 19:27:38<+discordbot2> same with games tbh 20180625 19:27:42<+discordbot2> what am I spending my time on 20180625 19:27:50<+discordbot2> Well, my main point here is that ebooks aren't that much better than paper books. They aren't utilizing the possibilities of available technology. 20180625 19:27:51<+discordbot2> arguing with people on discord 20180625 19:27:59<+discordbot2> >art is for those who have the luxury of art I'm trying, but I don't understand. 20180625 19:28:02<+discordbot2> at least it isnt irc 20180625 19:28:05<+discordbot2> Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's one reason for the slow adoption. 20180625 19:28:12<+discordbot2> ok, I understand 20180625 19:28:35<+discordbot2> I have actually read an ebook that was heavily intended to utilize the technology in new ways. It wasn't very good. 20180625 19:28:37<+discordbot2> I don't like story movies 20180625 19:28:40<+discordbot2> or story games 20180625 19:28:46<+discordbot2> they miss the point imo 20180625 19:28:47<+discordbot2> It's a respectful debate. I prefer debating online because then it can turn from a yelling competition to a respectful argument. 20180625 19:28:57<+discordbot2> I like story movies if done right. 20180625 19:29:04<+discordbot2> spend too much time on wasteful stuff 20180625 19:29:16<+discordbot2> I mean, perhaps something still needs to be discovered and I guess authors will keep experimenting, but so far I didn't see anything really interesting. 20180625 19:29:21<+discordbot2> Respecting plot, actors, characters, and setting is what a story movie needs to be good 20180625 19:30:00<+discordbot2> @Cord what is a "story movie", or rather, what movie is not such? 20180625 19:30:15<+discordbot2> and I mean with increased productivity and more ways of making profit people forget about things but spending on things that stop other people being productive in developing society 20180625 19:30:29<+discordbot2> I assumed it was a movie based off a story. 20180625 19:30:30<+discordbot2> like a silent movie, except animated 20180625 19:30:34<+discordbot2> oh 20180625 19:30:38<+discordbot2> i was wrong then 20180625 19:30:48<+discordbot2> i was jsut making up words idk what to call them 20180625 19:30:52<+discordbot2> I forgot what they are called 20180625 19:30:57<+discordbot2> soe sort of acronym 20180625 19:31:19<+discordbot2> Oh so like 20180625 19:31:24<+discordbot2> Max und Moritz OuO!!! 20180625 19:31:26<+discordbot2> story movie 20180625 19:31:30<+discordbot2> idk that 20180625 19:31:58<+discordbot2> Creepy german children's story I believe 20180625 19:32:28<+discordbot2> animated silent movie 20180625 19:32:29<+discordbot2> >and I mean with increased productivity and more ways of making profit people forget about things but spending on things that stop other people being productive in developing society While I do agree to some extent, is being productive the ultimate goal of humanity? 20180625 19:32:45<+discordbot2> it's my goal for humanity 20180625 19:32:54<+discordbot2> along with erasing dictators 20180625 19:33:02<+discordbot2> lol 20180625 19:33:07<+discordbot2> very protestant 20180625 19:33:09<+discordbot2> im an ancap xP 20180625 19:33:34<+discordbot2> I need an emoji that is screaming at crimson 20180625 19:33:42<+discordbot2> 😱 ? 20180625 19:33:45<+discordbot2> doesnt quite work 20180625 19:34:06<+discordbot2> Lol I am not quite privileged to talk about it or debate it anyway x33 I would get trashed and I dont want to upset anyone!! 20180625 19:34:29<+discordbot2> I understand what cord means and I believe somewhat of the same extent, but if you believe in those beliefs, it doesn't really matter to me if you're a good person 20180625 19:34:33<+discordbot2> and i think politics are not allowed in here 20180625 19:34:35<+discordbot2> You can't discuss about politics in this server anyway. Rule 5. 20180625 19:34:38<+discordbot2> yeah 20180625 19:34:45<+discordbot2> what 20180625 19:34:47<+discordbot2> damn 20180625 19:34:53<+discordbot2> is there no politics channel 20180625 19:35:01<+discordbot2> or would there be too manty nazis/ancaps 20180625 19:35:14<+discordbot2> Lol why do you group those two together 20180625 19:35:18<+discordbot2> anyway 20180625 19:35:25<+discordbot2> just to make you feel welcome 20180625 19:35:28<+discordbot2> I think its best not to have off topic or politics channel xP 20180625 19:35:35<+discordbot2> Lol ahhh thank you <3 <3!!! 20180625 19:35:50<+discordbot2> well we are discussing philosophy 20180625 19:35:56<+discordbot2> but then crimson derailed it 20180625 19:35:58<+discordbot2> blame them 20180625 19:36:06<+discordbot2> Right xP... Im so sorry... 20180625 19:36:35<+discordbot2> ahhh i feel so bad 20180625 19:36:53<+discordbot2> i know how that feels 20180625 19:36:58<+discordbot2> :)) 20180625 19:37:30<+discordbot2> Well anyway Cord, I think there is more purpose than just "productivity" and i believe entertainment is super important to us 20180625 19:37:41<+discordbot2> and other things 20180625 19:38:18<+discordbot2> this is why computers should take over the world 20180625 19:38:23<+discordbot2> they dont care about entertainment 20180625 19:38:46<+discordbot2> You sound like a villain in a B-rated video game. 😛 20180625 19:38:50<+discordbot2> Hmmmm 20180625 19:38:51<+discordbot2> thanks 20180625 19:38:52<+discordbot2> LOL xP 20180625 19:39:09<+discordbot2> I've been told I've an excellent 100/100evil villain laugh 20180625 19:39:17<+discordbot2> how do you know computers don't care about entertainment 20180625 19:39:23<+discordbot2> they spend most of their time playing games 20180625 19:39:33<+discordbot2> 😂 20180625 19:39:55<+discordbot2> this is what I mean.. you guys are so smart xP.. Am I wrong if i say that computers shouldnt take over the world but maybe merge with humans? 20180625 19:40:02<+discordbot2> I would be a cyborg any chance i get!! 20180625 19:40:07<+discordbot2> ❤ 20180625 19:40:46<+discordbot2> sure aslong as you don't call yourself a cyborg as soon as you cut off your leg and get a prosthetic one 20180625 19:41:04<+discordbot2> pffft 20180625 19:41:16<+discordbot2> That's not what they mean by cyborg 20180625 19:41:33<+discordbot2> I want an 20180625 19:41:35<+discordbot2> exactly my thoughts 20180625 19:41:46<+discordbot2> INTELLIGENCE DOWNLOAD <3333 would be so epic 20180625 19:41:48<+discordbot2> xD 20180625 19:41:59<+discordbot2> what about clever pills? 20180625 19:42:03<+discordbot2> so that i can play chess at 3000 elo or wesnoth better xPP 20180625 19:42:07<+discordbot2> Hahaha x333 20180625 19:42:13<+discordbot2> I have a pill shaped like a very happy intelligent face 20180625 19:42:17<+discordbot2> it makes you feel good 20180625 19:42:18<+discordbot2> temporary memory? 20180625 19:42:23<+discordbot2> only £4 for one 20180625 19:42:30<+discordbot2> ... xD 20180625 19:43:26<+discordbot2> I feel that tech should be allowable to be sold, but we must be dangerous. Like, we wouldn't want toddlers running around with cannon-robot arms, that'd be....chaotic. 20180625 19:44:43<+discordbot2> not as chaotic as cannon sticks 20180625 19:45:05<+discordbot2> and maybe not as racist either 20180625 19:48:38<+discordbot2> but still, it'd be dangerous 20180625 19:49:18<+discordbot2> I gues yeah 20180625 19:51:48<+discordbot2> btw I'm not a communist if anyone got that impression 20180625 19:52:38<+discordbot2> Lol x333333... also I just think humans will never be fully satisfied to be honest 20180625 19:53:02<+discordbot2> > we wouldn't want toddlers running around with cannon-robot arms, that'd be....chaotic. Well, statistically speaking, the most deadly techy thing out there is a regular car. And it's available to general public. 20180625 19:53:05<+discordbot2> no matter how technologically progressed we get etc 20180625 19:53:24<+discordbot2> we wouldnt want toddlers driving around dangerous vehicles lol 20180625 19:53:24<+discordbot2> I just mean giving toddlers cannons is not a good idea 20180625 19:53:30-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 19:53:59<+discordbot2> sure I will not be satisfied until there are no hierarchies without consent 20180625 19:54:20<+discordbot2> and everyone studies science 20180625 19:54:22<+discordbot2> Lol :) 20180625 19:54:43<+discordbot2> well u are a genius so.. I mean I trust what you say xoxo 20180625 19:54:45<+discordbot2> <3 20180625 19:54:50<+discordbot2> thanks 20180625 19:54:58<+discordbot2> Everyone here is one sorry to be unclear!! 20180625 19:55:13<+discordbot2> I feel invalidated now 20180625 19:55:19<+discordbot2> how can I be clever if everyone else here is 20180625 19:55:24<+discordbot2> ahhhh i understand... well 20180625 19:55:30<+discordbot2> we are all on the same team <3 20180625 19:55:35<+discordbot2> damn 20180625 19:57:37<+discordbot2> on cars human driving should have been banned ages ago 20180625 19:57:53<+discordbot2> and replaced with cars on virtual tracks 20180625 19:57:59<+discordbot2> let's not ban humans from driving 20180625 19:58:03<+discordbot2> with safe crossways designated 20180625 19:58:15<+discordbot2> not everyone's gonna follow those 20180625 19:58:25<+discordbot2> then blocked out 20180625 19:58:28<+discordbot2> some people are dorks and rush across streets 20180625 19:58:37<+discordbot2> how can you regulate that without heirarchy anyway 20180625 19:58:39<+discordbot2> a few deaths might teach them 20180625 19:58:43<+discordbot2> heirarchy that u want to get rid of 20180625 19:58:51<+discordbot2> I'm an accelerationist 20180625 19:58:52<+discordbot2> *hierarxhy 20180625 19:58:58<+discordbot2> oh I see... x33 20180625 19:59:08<+discordbot2> to get rid of heirarchy you must become the heirarchy 20180625 19:59:12<+discordbot2> also cars kill children 20180625 19:59:27<+discordbot2> Well.. true i suppose x) 20180625 20:00:06<+discordbot2> anyway I'm sure would be more safe than the majority of idiotic fucks driving 20180625 20:00:19<+discordbot2> o.O.... xD 20180625 20:00:23<+discordbot2> oh dear what did i start by mentioning children and cannons 20180625 20:00:26<+discordbot2> using phone eating drinking on drugs no sleep 20180625 20:00:28<+discordbot2> lol! 20180625 20:00:33<+discordbot2> using suvs 20180625 20:00:44<+discordbot2> someone actually roadraged on me before 20180625 20:00:48<+discordbot2> i was scared to death 20180625 20:01:15<+discordbot2> but yeah children don't consent to being killed okay 20180625 20:01:24<+discordbot2> :) 20180625 20:01:36<+discordbot2> they must feel belonged 20180625 20:01:43<+discordbot2> everybody must!! :) 20180625 20:01:50<+discordbot2> children are owned by their parents or guardians 20180625 20:02:21<+discordbot2> but what if their parents are abusive? who 'owns' the children then? 20180625 20:02:42<+discordbot2> they still own them and no one gives a shit about domestic violence that isn't some asian ban beating his wife 20180625 20:03:19<+discordbot2> well no one cares about that either 20180625 20:03:19-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p2E5113C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 20:03:57<+discordbot2> having children will be the most immoral thing you do in life 20180625 20:04:06<+discordbot2> I'm sorry for your actions 20180625 20:04:09<+discordbot2> Eeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!! 😨 20180625 20:04:15<+discordbot2> what 20180625 20:06:58-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 20:07:10-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 20:07:34<+discordbot2> and if you don't have children you are being even more immoral unless you become the president of the us or something 20180625 20:07:50<+discordbot2> Ahh too heavy!! ;(( 20180625 20:07:51<+discordbot2> boi i would argue via politics but I respect the rule of this server, so I shall not. 20180625 20:08:05<+discordbot2> I am philosophy only 20180625 20:08:08<+discordbot2> lol x) hehe "boi" 20180625 20:08:10<+discordbot2> I am very rule abiding 20180625 20:08:54<+discordbot2> Well, speaking of children handling complex & dangerous machines... It happened in Russia, too :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593 20180625 20:09:50<+discordbot2> I do love debating, and I am pretty good at it, as I have taken on crowds solo, and won alone, but I really don't feel like debating because I'm depressed atm and not feeling into it 20180625 20:11:32<+discordbot2> idiots murdered a whole plane full of people 20180625 20:12:06<+discordbot2> I'm not very good at debating 20180625 20:12:16<+discordbot2> I should have taken philosophy a levels 20180625 20:12:58<+discordbot2> but I was put off by the idea of it being a very traditional old boys debating thing, especially as most of school were tories 20180625 20:13:14<+discordbot2> put me off politics even more 20180625 20:13:39<+discordbot2> I think plane crashes are interesting. Here is analysis of a lot of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/8ptn1v/the_almost_crash_of_united_airlines_flight_811/e0dx4tf/ 20180625 20:15:03<+discordbot2> Tories? 20180625 20:15:17<+discordbot2> our conservative party 20180625 20:15:52<+discordbot2> basically shit at everything and holds all the power in the uk for most of the time 20180625 20:17:04<+discordbot2> ^ That was a political statement. Reminder that they're not allowed here. 20180625 20:17:24<+discordbot2> hey I was asked a question 20180625 20:17:31<+discordbot2> sorry 20180625 20:17:38<+discordbot2> Just the first line would have sufficed. 20180625 20:18:16<+discordbot2> I could easily go on a political rant yet I choose not to because I respect the rule and purpose of this server. 20180625 20:18:45<+discordbot2> if you are eager to speak you have a different server? 20180625 20:19:00<+discordbot2> DMs exist. 20180625 20:19:19<+discordbot2> but in dms I can't have other people back me up for shit I know nothign about 20180625 20:21:21-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 20:22:12<+discordbot2> Yeah sadly the thing is that as much as some people like me would like to interject about certain things, discussing politics is the easiest way to elevate the room temperature to levels where people start being inappropriate in other ways, or to get people to form negative opinions about each other that impact their interactions in the community later on. So yeah, no politics here. 20180625 20:23:06<+discordbot2> also it makes me want to die so pls don't keel me 20180625 20:23:45<+discordbot2> I know how that can be, some of my friends hold grudges against me now because of the topics of some of my political rants, which I will admit I do too often. 20180625 20:23:48<+discordbot2> Yumi claims to be an opinionless person so this stuff is probably kryptonite for them. 20180625 20:23:54<+discordbot2> I think it might be a bit late for people to not form negative opinions about me 20180625 20:23:57<+discordbot2> oops 20180625 20:24:00<+discordbot2> I know how that can be, some of my friends hold grudges against me now because of the topics of some of my political rants, which I will admit I do too often. 20180625 20:24:02<+discordbot2> 😂 20180625 20:24:13<+discordbot2> that got posted twice 20180625 20:24:28<+discordbot2> oh, my phone sucks 20180625 20:24:29-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 20:24:39<+discordbot2> It told me it failed to send so I retapped 20180625 20:24:42<+discordbot2> ugh 20180625 20:25:49<+discordbot2> Hi 20180625 20:25:55<+discordbot2> Hello there 20180625 20:26:01<+discordbot2> General Hamel 20180625 20:26:04<+discordbot2> you are a bold one 20180625 20:26:06<+discordbot2> Kill him 20180625 20:26:12<+discordbot2> ok jokes aside, i wanna ask a question 20180625 20:26:17<+discordbot2> i see you are a man of culture as well 20180625 20:26:18<+discordbot2> xD 20180625 20:26:49<+discordbot2> so, for a singleplayer UMC, if i want to use a mainline faction (or units) to make a new faction, again, for singleplayer campaigns, not multiplayer ones 20180625 20:27:16<+discordbot2> is that ok? using mainline factions or parts of them to make a "new" one so to speak? or altered, i think altered is the better term 20180625 20:28:43<+discordbot2> I think it is. If you download 'Custom Campaign', you can create your own factions to use in Multiplayer, I believe. 20180625 20:28:48< zookeeper> you want what? just use some core units as part of your recruit list in an UMC campaign..? 20180625 20:28:59<+discordbot2> i think i need to word myself better 20180625 20:29:01<+discordbot2> I think it works in Local Game, but I'm not entirely sure about the others 20180625 20:30:46<+discordbot2> so, think of this scenario: I want to make a singleplayer campaign. I want it to use the mainline wesnoth factions (plus new ones) BUT, i want to make alterations to SOME of the units that a specific faction has (take, for example, the spearman, instead of looking like a roman hoplite, i want it to look like something more medieval, probs a soldier with chainmail instead of a plate armor for the chest) 20180625 20:31:03<+discordbot2> is it okay if i put mainline files into the files of my UMC? 20180625 20:31:09<+discordbot2> unaltered 20180625 20:31:26< zookeeper> uh, sure 20180625 20:31:35<+discordbot2> like, i copy the images file from the human faction from the Core folder, put it into my UMC's folder, and make alterations to the units i want 20180625 20:31:35<+discordbot2> well isnt wesnoth considered open source? I dont know just wondering x33 20180625 20:31:40< zookeeper> you can use any mainline content in your UMC 20180625 20:31:42<+discordbot2> i know, but i just want to make sure 20180625 20:31:49<+discordbot2> and if it is open source 20180625 20:32:01<+discordbot2> then doesnt that mean copying stuff for personal use from the game is allowed 20180625 20:32:07<+discordbot2> I dont know how it works xD 20180625 20:32:18<+discordbot2> i dont want to use it for another game, i want to use it for a Wesnoth UMC 20180625 20:32:23<+discordbot2> so its still something inside wesnoth 20180625 20:32:41<+discordbot2> Right but if its open source then doesnt that imply that this is okay 20180625 20:32:44<+discordbot2> ^^ 20180625 20:32:51<+discordbot2> yeah, i know 20180625 20:33:00<+discordbot2> I wasnt sure xD 20180625 20:36:41-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180625 20:38:56-!- zookeeper_ [~lmsnie@95.175.104.65] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 20:39:03-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20180625 20:39:18-!- zookeeper_ is now known as zookeeper 20180625 20:39:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@95.175.104.65] has quit [Changing host] 20180625 20:39:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 20:42:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 21:06:45-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 21:22:44-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180625 22:16:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 22:16:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 22:20:58-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 22:41:47-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180625 22:42:45-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 22:50:00-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 23:13:56<+discordbot2> Hi gonna get on MP , been a little while! Should I use 1.14 on steam? 20180625 23:26:27-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20180625 23:27:52-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 23:30:23<+discordbot2> If the question is whether you should play 1.12 or 1.14, the answer is definitely 1.14. 20180625 23:31:22<+discordbot2> If the question is whether to use the Steam version or not, well, the Steam version requires less effort to update when a new release is published -- Steam will automatically download about 40 MB for you instead of you having to go to the website to get the download off SourceForge, then having to run the installer yourself, etc. 20180625 23:32:13<+discordbot2> is there no automatic installer 20180625 23:33:41<+discordbot2> No. There were vague plans to introduce one but they were scrapped once the Steam Greenlight campaign succeeded. 20180625 23:36:16-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180625 23:40:35<+discordbot2> Oh okay, thank you!! That answers my question at the fullest :) 20180625 23:54:51-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180625 23:59:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180625 23:59:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Tue Jun 26 00:00:08 2018