--- Log opened Thu Jun 28 00:00:50 2018 20180628 00:09:45-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180628 00:22:46-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180628 01:16:07<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> 3v3? Is that even possible/allowed? 20180628 01:16:32<+discordbot> I think so ?? OuO 20180628 01:16:41<+discordbot> yes 20180628 01:16:43<+discordbot> I believe u can have up to 9 not entirely sure x3 20180628 01:16:45<+discordbot> 8 or 9 20180628 01:16:51<+discordbot> there is a 9p map 20180628 01:16:52<+discordbot> 3v3v3 20180628 01:16:52<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> How can you do 3v3 when Isars only has 4 sides? 20180628 01:16:55<+discordbot> ahhh sweet 20180628 01:17:01<+discordbot> because Isar's cross isn't the only map in the game 20180628 01:17:01<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> Pretty sure it's not possible. 20180628 01:17:03<+discordbot> Everything is posible if you have the right scenario. 20180628 01:17:16<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> There aren't maps other than isars I thought 20180628 01:17:26<+discordbot> you might want to check the scenario creation list 20180628 01:17:32<+discordbot> and see that there are plenty of maps 20180628 01:17:34<+discordbot> do you have to wait for everyones turns 20180628 01:17:37<+discordbot> yes 20180628 01:17:47<+discordbot> sucks it can't be simultaneous cos of the game mechanics 20180628 01:17:50<+discordbot> 2v2s already take a while, which is why 1v1s are more common 20180628 01:17:54<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> You're right I guess I was just going based off of the lobby every single night. 20180628 01:18:04<+discordbot> Isar's cross is the most popular map 20180628 01:18:11<+discordbot> for whatever the reason 20180628 01:18:13<+discordbot> 🤷 20180628 01:18:20<+discordbot> Because it allows for fast-paced games. 20180628 01:18:26<+discordbot> I guess so 20180628 01:18:37<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> 2v2s don't take THAT long. And they're more balanced. 20180628 01:19:16<+discordbot> idk I'm not part of the crazy MP people, I'm just parroting their comments. 20180628 01:19:38<+discordbot> it's a fairly easy map to play 20180628 01:19:51<+discordbot> other maps may be similar in size, but can be tricky 20180628 01:20:02<+discordbot> They tend to be larger. 20180628 01:20:07<+discordbot> Even the 1v1 maps. 20180628 01:20:21<+discordbot> yah 20180628 01:22:24<+discordbot> as far as balance goes, I have no idea about 2v2s compared to 1v1s 20180628 01:22:54<+discordbot> my guess is that you could offset some of the naturally hard (or even impossible?) matchups 20180628 01:23:02<+discordbot> <[BBD]Nolnag> With 2v2s you can balance out the turn order is all. 20180628 01:23:03<+discordbot> knalgans vs undead, etc. 20180628 01:23:17<+discordbot> yes, that's true too 20180628 01:25:48-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 02:13:45<+discordbot> Hi does anyone want to voice chat? bored lol :P 20180628 02:25:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 02:25:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 02:52:29<+discordbot> @sapient_n3t ahh how long have u been here XD 20180628 03:00:06<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/461727459906158603/image.jpg 20180628 03:00:13<+discordbot> Indeed i am playing a real accordion xoxo 20180628 03:00:15<+discordbot> :)))) 20180628 03:04:55<+discordbot> am I being retarreded 20180628 03:05:07<+discordbot> or your sense of humor is actually weird 20180628 03:05:12<+discordbot> 😅 20180628 03:05:17<+discordbot> ? 20180628 03:05:21<+discordbot> I dont think this is funny :)) 20180628 03:05:30<+discordbot> *I'm not trying to be funny 20180628 03:05:44<+discordbot> its just bit strange to look you talk tho bro 20180628 03:05:53<+discordbot> ? 20180628 03:05:57<+discordbot> not like anyone I have seen before 20180628 03:06:03<+discordbot> you are unique! 20180628 03:06:07<+discordbot> 😋 20180628 03:06:18<+discordbot> awww well I don't get that a lot 🖤 20180628 03:06:29<+discordbot> :))))) you are nice 20180628 03:06:33<+discordbot> and honest :) 20180628 03:07:22<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/461729290187440128/image.jpg 20180628 03:07:25<+discordbot> @sapient_n3t have a better pic :) 20180628 03:10:08<+discordbot> P.s. I wear my mask to school everyday... its just a thing I do x33 sorry if its weird or anything... 20180628 03:13:30<+discordbot> @Flameheart Again can you not use the r word here? Thanks. 20180628 03:13:52<+discordbot> why is the r word censored here, while f words are allowed? 20180628 03:14:08<+discordbot> the r word isnt even disapproving some times... 20180628 03:14:20<+discordbot> Because one uses a group of people as a target, the other doesn't. 20180628 03:14:33<+discordbot> fine 20180628 03:15:57-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180628 03:16:47<+discordbot> Okay these two don't sound anything like I ever expected. 20180628 03:17:34<+discordbot> what's the r word 20180628 03:17:39<+discordbot> No. 20180628 03:17:40<+discordbot> or am I too innocent 20180628 03:17:42<+discordbot> retar ded 20180628 03:17:47<+discordbot> Crimson is entertaining us with some nice accordian music 20180628 03:17:49<+discordbot> is banned 20180628 03:17:50<+discordbot> Flameheart can you not. 20180628 03:17:55<+discordbot> heh 20180628 03:17:58<+discordbot> lol 20180628 03:18:05<+discordbot> I am just telling him which word is that r 20180628 03:18:09<+discordbot> how hey allow you to wear mask to school 20180628 03:18:13<+discordbot> And I clearly said 'no'. 20180628 03:18:20<+discordbot> here you are not allowed anything but approved uniform 20180628 03:18:24<+discordbot> teachers are nazis 20180628 03:18:24<+discordbot> Alright, @Cord has been warned because 'Bad word usage'. 20180628 03:18:37<+discordbot> why can't I use valid adjectives 20180628 03:18:49<+discordbot> Because we're not a fan of trivializing that word either. 20180628 03:18:51<+discordbot> *fans 20180628 03:18:55<+discordbot> Plural. 20180628 03:19:09<+discordbot> idk I don't feel it trivialises it but ok 20180628 03:19:10<+discordbot> eeks dee 20180628 03:19:17<+discordbot> can't capture their attitude any other way 20180628 03:20:48<+discordbot> imo it's fine saying r referring to yourself, or a thing, only saying to someone else is bad. 20180628 03:21:28<+discordbot> unless it's kind of friendly like don't be r in some trivial thing 20180628 03:21:39<+discordbot> nah what I doubt is the admins here doesnt use english as 1st lang like us so they think r word is pretty bad 20180628 03:22:05<+discordbot> The rules are in #welcome and I'm asking you to stop debating this now. 20180628 03:22:31<+discordbot> And also, no, it's not because I am an ESL speaker in particular. The lead admin is a native English speaker in any case FYI. 20180628 03:22:43<+discordbot> the rules did not specify a full ban list of word 20180628 03:22:47<+discordbot> I'd say stuff but you said stop 20180628 03:22:57<+discordbot> may I ask for a full list as reference 20180628 03:22:58<+discordbot> Yooo Flameheart and Cord do you wanna join voice chat <33 20180628 03:22:59<+discordbot> And this kind of thing exists in places where people are assumed to be native speakers as well. 20180628 03:23:03<+discordbot> not rn thanks 20180628 03:23:07<+discordbot> ok :) 20180628 03:23:22<+discordbot> @Flameheart Rule #4. 20180628 03:23:38<+discordbot> If you somehow stumble upon the list of words through violating rule #4 that's on you. 20180628 03:23:54<+discordbot> rule #4 20180628 03:24:00<+discordbot> did not specify what words you ban 20180628 03:25:17<+discordbot> Moving on. 20180628 03:27:06<+discordbot> I was going to move on but no politics 20180628 03:31:29<+discordbot> Probably Yumi like it'd be pronounced in Japanese. 20180628 03:31:47<+discordbot> Just my guess though. 20180628 03:32:36<+discordbot> I have a feeling I was told the meaning character's name at some point during early production. 20180628 03:32:38<+discordbot> *of the 20180628 03:32:45<+discordbot> But that was ages ago. 20180628 03:32:47<+discordbot> sry peeps I'm playing game 20180628 03:32:49<+discordbot> just listening in 20180628 03:32:49<+discordbot> lol 20180628 03:32:59<+discordbot> it's like "you-me" 20180628 03:33:24<+discordbot> But is it a word or is it made up? 20180628 03:33:51<+discordbot> And if the former what does it actually mean? 20180628 03:34:44<+discordbot> As long as you don't start arguing against or in favour of gun ownership ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180628 03:34:45<+discordbot> it is an actual name 20180628 03:36:45<+discordbot> it can be written with many different characters 20180628 03:36:49<+discordbot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumi_(name) 20180628 03:38:08<+discordbot> Interesting possible meanings. 20180628 03:38:31<+discordbot> Did you have this in mind when naming her? 20180628 03:38:50<+discordbot> yes 20180628 03:38:52<+discordbot> I always check 20180628 03:38:53<+discordbot> lol 20180628 03:40:43<+discordbot> administrator presence 20180628 03:40:45<+discordbot> 😄 20180628 03:54:49-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180628 04:03:35<+discordbot> I remembered vultraz's voice as being much deeper. 20180628 04:04:25<+discordbot> huh, I didn't imagine Vultraz's voice to be like that 20180628 04:05:38<+discordbot> Because everyone here is a bunch of scaredy cats. 20180628 04:05:48<+discordbot> Or more commonly, at work. 20180628 04:06:00<+discordbot> my mic doesn't work 🤷 20180628 04:06:07<+discordbot> not that I would use it even if it did 20180628 04:06:39<+discordbot> Vultraz isn't reading this is he. 20180628 04:06:42<+discordbot> I don't think so 20180628 04:06:47<+discordbot> Vultraz you smell. 20180628 04:07:02<+discordbot> squak whaaaaat??? - vultraz 20180628 04:07:20<+discordbot> lmao 20180628 04:07:23<+discordbot> whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt???????? 20180628 04:09:04<+discordbot> Oh crap, the jig is up runnnnnn 20180628 04:09:31<+discordbot> Vultraz knows what I mean lol 20180628 04:10:01<+discordbot> Well I'm going back to what I was doing before he decides to disown me. 20180628 04:10:14<+discordbot> Tata 20180628 04:12:20<+discordbot> Back.. Thank you for joining voice chat!!! I was bored xoxo 20180628 04:12:40<+discordbot> I feel so grateful :)) 20180628 04:13:01<+discordbot> (sapient/shadow/yumi/vultraz) :D 20180628 04:37:38<+discordbot> Gotta go for now... If anybody needs to be cheered up or whatever then here you go!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_2bAfeEg_c rook crow :)) very cute <3 20180628 04:37:48<+discordbot> Bye all 👋 😊 20180628 05:21:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 05:21:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 05:41:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 05:41:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 06:50:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 07:02:45-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 07:10:53-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 07:40:45<+discordbot> fuck 20180628 07:41:26<+discordbot> @Flameheart You think I don't realize you're trying to circumvent the mute? 20180628 07:42:16<+discordbot> I was going to let it stick for 6 hours but at this rate it's going to stick for 96 instead. 20180628 09:36:38-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.34.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 10:18:13-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.34.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180628 10:51:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 10:51:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 11:01:18-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 11:01:42-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 11:05:37-!- gfg [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180628 11:06:58-!- gfgt [~androirc@134.76.63.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180628 11:07:10-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 11:17:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 11:17:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 11:34:47-!- gfgt [~androirc@tmo-116-79.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 20180628 12:09:40<+discordbot> @Cord Oh hey! Sorry that I missed your question - "how hey allow you to wear mask to school" and how you can only wear uniform 20180628 12:11:13<+discordbot> Well when I started doing it the first couple weeks, teachers asked me to take it off very often and I did but well I kept asking them if I could put it on to calm myself down and since they know im not a threat 20180628 12:11:50<+discordbot> At our school and many in general in America, uniforms are not really a thing and people dress with more lenient dress code 20180628 12:13:41<+discordbot> hi 20180628 12:14:09<+discordbot> They eventually let me wear the mask after I pointed out how they let people wear burqhas and hoodies and stuff and they actually saw it as sound reasoning to let me wear mask 20180628 12:14:14<+discordbot> Hi!! :) 20180628 12:14:49<+discordbot> why would you want to wear a mask to school? medical reasons? 20180628 12:15:32<+discordbot> Hah, because Im eccentric and have a lot of weird quirks and neurological problems unfortunately 20180628 12:15:47<+discordbot> i guess xDD 20180628 12:15:55<+discordbot> not medical reasons 20180628 12:16:05<+discordbot> plague doctor mask by the way 20180628 12:17:49<+discordbot> Idk why to be honest im so sorry ;_; 20180628 12:17:53<+discordbot> 😃 20180628 12:17:59<+discordbot> <3 20180628 12:18:39<+discordbot> hoodies are fundamentally different though, in that they do not hide your face, which contains the most delicious features for tracking 20180628 12:18:59<+discordbot> I'd assume they don't allow you to wear masks so they can identify you 20180628 12:19:43<+discordbot> You are right about hoodies x33 20180628 12:19:54<+discordbot> and yeah thats part of it but the thing is 20180628 12:20:10<+discordbot> at this point people know me better by my mask than by my real face 20180628 12:20:17<+discordbot> but they know both x33 20180628 12:22:09<+discordbot> 🤷 20180628 12:22:25<+discordbot> your face is a mask 20180628 12:22:29<+discordbot> it is a flesh mask 20180628 12:23:20<+discordbot> x33 u are so right!! 😘 20180628 12:28:17<+discordbot> just to 20180628 12:28:21<+discordbot> prod the hornet's nest, 20180628 12:28:44<+discordbot> has anyone heard from noy after he left, what he thinks about the new changes to khalifa? 20180628 12:29:22<+discordbot> the renaming i mean (which i fully agree with!) 20180628 12:29:30<+discordbot> and i am kind of getting the idea that all of the balancing people just left, isn't that a problem? 20180628 12:29:56<+discordbot> the mp balancing people 20180628 12:30:47<+discordbot> some particular naming choices are silly, but overall it is very good 20180628 12:31:19<+discordbot> u mean the Dunefolk/Khalifate? 20180628 12:31:26<+discordbot> yes 20180628 12:31:59<+discordbot> i never met Noy, im sorry that i cant give you a complete answer!! 😢 20180628 12:32:18<+discordbot> Hehe hornet's nest xD 🤗🤗 20180628 12:32:28<+discordbot> i nvere really communicated with noy much either, except he once said he does not appreciate my sense of humor 20180628 12:32:48<+discordbot> He seemed cool x33 20180628 12:33:56<+discordbot> many people seemed to have problems with him from his moderation of the mp lobby? but somehow i never once had a problem with him there (as i used arbitrarily named accounts each time, and was quite drunk and quite free to say whatever i want) 20180628 12:34:31<+discordbot> Hmm I think balancing is pretty well done already because well there has always been some static or dynamic imbalance in regards to situational faction vs faction scenarios 20180628 12:34:38<+discordbot> obviously it needs more work i agree 20180628 12:34:49<+discordbot> but well for example northerners is good against drakes I hear 20180628 12:35:52<+discordbot> Lol you were drunk?? 😋 20180628 12:36:22<+discordbot> " I think balancing is pretty well done already" 20180628 12:36:33<+discordbot> if you are new to wesnoth - you have no idea how right you are in this 20180628 12:36:42<+discordbot> In a ratio sense sure i guess 20180628 12:36:46<+discordbot> time wise 20180628 12:36:49<+discordbot> once upon the time, undead literally had nothing to beat down an undead opponent with 20180628 12:37:05<+discordbot> I have played since 2007 maybe 20180628 12:37:13<+discordbot> thereupon, the balancing people invented the Arcane damage type, formerly Holy damage type, and gave it to undead units like ghost and adept 20180628 12:37:24<+discordbot> I know that x3 20180628 12:37:29<+discordbot> oh 20180628 12:37:37<+discordbot> then we started at roughly the same time! 20180628 12:38:09<+discordbot> But im a total noob 🤕 lol 20180628 12:38:21<+discordbot> I don't believe Noy has said anything about it, at least as far as I know. As far as MP balancing goes, the people left who would know most about that are generally part of the unofficial ladder, and they seem to tend not to post or make known over here what they think should happen as far as balancing things further. 20180628 12:38:23<+discordbot> i played on and off very casually 20180628 12:38:48<+discordbot> aside from objecting strenuously when it was proposed to have it be just Default instead of Default+Dunefolk 20180628 12:40:26<+discordbot> i see 20180628 12:42:28-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 12:47:40<+discordbot> Whaaat, Noy left? D: 20180628 12:47:44<+discordbot> I didn't know 20180628 12:48:03<+discordbot> he left a while ago 20180628 12:48:16<+discordbot> 😦 20180628 12:48:31<+discordbot> IIRC at least partially due to all the controversy around the khalifate. 20180628 12:49:09<+discordbot> I see :/ 20180628 12:50:47<+discordbot> Are people still that against having the khalifate/dunefolk in the default era? Because of balance issues, or other reasons? 20180628 12:51:10<+discordbot> How many years has it been now, heh, since the khalifa were introduced? I can't remember 20180628 12:51:15<+discordbot> Seemsl ike forever ago 20180628 12:51:17<+discordbot> ~2? 20180628 12:51:23<+discordbot> No way 20180628 12:51:31<+discordbot> more like 6, I think 20180628 12:51:35<+discordbot> oh 20180628 12:51:54<+discordbot> At least 6, yeah, seems more like it 20180628 12:52:31<+discordbot> there's no point in pinpointing a particular reason - it was a combination of very many things 20180628 12:52:40<+discordbot> the Default Era is consdered quite "sacred" 20180628 12:52:52<+discordbot> Indeed 😄 20180628 12:52:56<+discordbot> any big changes to it are necessarily under a huge scrutiny 20180628 12:53:14<+discordbot> because of how central it is to Wesnoth 20180628 12:53:59<+discordbot> and yeah, the thought is the dunefolk are not as balanced as the rest of Default. There is a balancing thread for them, but not a whole lot has come of it so far. 20180628 12:54:20<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47831 20180628 12:54:51<+discordbot> Thanks 😃 20180628 12:54:51<+discordbot> probably the biggest open question is what to do with their Liminal alignment units 20180628 12:58:35<+discordbot> Yeah liminal units are quite interesting. I've been thinking about liminal units quite a lot, even started making a mostly liminal faction, just to further experiment. Since liminal units pretty much just suck, pardon the expression, never being strong (like neutrals, which isn't a bad thing) but still being weak most of the day, the way I'm countering this is to give my new faction's liminal units additional powers. Unique weapon 20180628 12:58:35<+discordbot> specials, unique abilities, or unique coding in general. 20180628 12:59:18<+discordbot> I've been away from Wesnoth for some time now, however, so I dunno how things are in the MP balancing department these days. I'll check out that default+dune thread 🌱 20180628 13:26:27-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180628 13:42:20-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 13:47:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 13:47:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 13:58:48-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 14:03:18<+discordbot> well if burkhas are allowed masks should be 20180628 14:03:42<+discordbot> I mean I'm not at all for policing students dress but even then I'mnot sure about face coverings 20180628 14:13:20< hk238> thinking about writing a new weather function for custom dark forecast again I think the easiest possibility is to drop particular order of seasons for now 20180628 14:13:37< hk238> but I'm having trouble at guessing how I should write this :D 20180628 14:28:23-!- discordbot3 [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 14:28:23-!- mode/#wesnoth [+v discordbot3] by ChanServ 20180628 14:32:46-!- discordbot [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180628 14:34:50-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 15:15:21-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180628 15:21:13-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-138-149-20.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180628 15:39:14-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@93-173-122-186.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 15:39:21<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> When I first met Noy he was a royal asshole to me. I grew to become quite close with him. He showed me his model planes. He was a good man. It's a shame he left, but an obvious Muslim empire homage/stand in was an utterly silly hill to die on. 20180628 15:39:59<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> He was a truly skilled player as well. Very unfortunate, that. 20180628 15:42:07-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@93-173-122-186.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Client Quit] 20180628 15:47:07-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 15:47:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 16:17:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 16:18:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 16:20:14<+discordbot3> 🤔 20180628 16:20:20<+discordbot3> He was a good player, yes 20180628 16:25:32-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@93-173-122-186.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 16:32:58-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 16:33:40< hk238> in lua, can there be a comma after the last item in a list? 20180628 16:33:42< hk238> :D 20180628 16:34:29<+discordbot3> Yes, there can. 20180628 16:35:36< Ravana_> strange, but nice I guess 20180628 16:36:45<+discordbot3> It's mainly intended to make it easier to write code that generates Lua tables as text (because such code doesn't need a special case to leave the comma out after the last entry). 20180628 16:42:20< hk238> can you write an "if, then if, else if , else if, else if, else" structure ? 20180628 16:42:43< hk238> I guess "then if" is not a keyword 20180628 16:42:49< hk238> it's probably just then and if combined? 20180628 16:43:03<+discordbot3> You can write unlimited elseif statements. 20180628 16:43:14< hk238> I mean the nesting issue like 20180628 16:43:28< hk238> like 20180628 16:43:28<+discordbot3> And you can obviously nest another if statements inside the then part if you want. 20180628 16:43:34<+discordbot3> *statement 20180628 16:43:55<+discordbot3> (Note that elseif is written without a space in between.) 20180628 16:44:01< hk238> so the structure is fine? oh 20180628 16:44:15< hk238> yeah that's the kind of things I was getting at :d 20180628 16:44:43-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 16:46:30< hk238> does "end" close an if statement? 20180628 16:46:36< hk238> if it's nested? 20180628 16:46:56<+discordbot3> "end" closes the innermost open statement. 20180628 16:47:06< hk238> okay thanks 20180628 16:47:51< hk238> this is a silly structure I'll show it in a bit if I can get it done 20180628 16:47:52< hk238> :D 20180628 16:48:58< hk238> is it possible to write a function definition inside a function definition? 20180628 16:49:16<+discordbot3> Yes, it is. 20180628 16:49:36< hk238> also can you write code on the same line instead of separating it? 20180628 16:49:51<+discordbot3> Such a function can access all the variables in its enclosing scope. Lua supports full lexical scoping. 20180628 16:50:08<+discordbot3> Yes, line breaks are optional. 20180628 16:50:30<+discordbot3> http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html 20180628 16:50:31< hk238> do you need somekind of statement end expression though? 20180628 16:50:55<+discordbot3> You can end a statement with a semicolon. 20180628 16:51:19< hk238> I mean can you write " grades = { "Jack" } sets = { "Dorky" } " on the same line? 20180628 16:51:49<+discordbot3> grades = { "Jack" }; sets = { "Dorky" } 20180628 16:52:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 16:52:14< hk238> okay so line breaks do make a difference in separating statements from each other? 20180628 16:52:51<+discordbot3> Yes, and they're normally used for that. 20180628 16:53:31< hk238> yeah sorry I know it makes sense just was wondering if it would be possible to compress certain uninteresting bits into garbled one line statements 20180628 16:56:19< hk238> hmmm how would you write weighted odds in a convenient manner? 20180628 16:58:02<+discordbot3> For reference, here is an implementation of the same thing in C++: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/ed774457118e9a52669ca90c3380b9eede44666c/src/random.hpp#L110-L130 20180628 16:58:31<+discordbot3> That function receives a container of numbers, where the sum of numbers must be one. 20180628 16:58:37< hk238> no I mean 20180628 16:58:45<+discordbot3> The probability of each number is the same as the number itself. 20180628 16:58:59< hk238> I'm thinking about this like what's a compact statement to represent weighted odd of a result 20180628 16:59:13< hk238> like well one moment 20180628 16:59:22<+discordbot3> What I just said. A list of numbers. 20180628 16:59:29<+discordbot3> In Lua, a table of numbers. 20180628 16:59:55<+discordbot3> local odds = {0.1, 0.9} 20180628 17:02:45-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20180628 17:06:13< hk238> https://pastebin.com/4YbYCJa8 20180628 17:06:33< hk238> here's the new weather function 20180628 17:06:35< hk238> it's hideous 20180628 17:07:03< hk238> :D 20180628 17:07:49<+discordbot3> Eh, it's not that bad. I have worked on a function with over 2000 lines. 20180628 17:08:23< hk238> oh yeah 20180628 17:08:37< hk238> I mean it's structurally pretty horrible, has useless statements, contains a while loop 20180628 17:08:50< hk238> unnecessary repeating also 20180628 17:09:26< hk238> it would be so much better done with functions of some sort 20180628 17:09:30< hk238> but 20180628 17:09:33< hk238> if it works I'm happy :D 20180628 17:09:59<+discordbot3> lookup tables are what it needs the most. 20180628 17:10:05< hk238> so the odds question is basically, if I have if statements like that.. how do I weigh those odds in a nice way? 20180628 17:10:23< hk238> lookup tables? 20180628 17:11:36<+discordbot3> https://gist.github.com/jyrkive/ed63aa0053f69d6f13060dbb8da05fba 20180628 17:12:21<+discordbot3> For weighted odds, you need a function that chooses a random option from weighted options. 20180628 17:12:30< hk238> oh righ tthat's what you mean 20180628 17:12:36<+discordbot3> I posted a link to Wesnoth's own weighted random function for reference. 20180628 17:12:39< hk238> yes actually I was thinking about writing it like that 20180628 17:13:00< hk238> but then making this was quite fast 20180628 17:13:06<+discordbot3> (I wrote that weighted random function.) 20180628 17:13:12< hk238> :D 20180628 17:13:47< hk238> I guess that means you're great..er than at least someone like me! 20180628 17:13:48< hk238> :D 20180628 17:15:34< hk238> sorry I mean it's pretty cool you made that.. I don't remember C++ syntax much currently so I can't read that code :o 20180628 17:17:12<+discordbot3> Instead of explaining what it does, it would be faster to just port it to Lua. Hold on. 20180628 17:17:35< hk238> I do actually have more experience with c++ than lua considering I've learned lua for like a couple of hours, heh 20180628 17:17:55< hk238> but sure :o 20180628 17:20:04<+discordbot3> https://gist.github.com/jyrkive/08807b2e4c8b8660c2935e9e7161b647 20180628 17:22:46< hk238> hmm does wesnoth.random() return a number between 0 and 1? 20180628 17:23:02<+discordbot3> Yes, when called without any parameters. 20180628 17:23:29< hk238> I guess you could also normalize the table 20180628 17:23:42< hk238> so whatever numbers are given it does the same thing 20180628 17:24:03< hk238> except 0 :D 20180628 17:32:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 17:32:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 17:38:29< hk238> darn the weather function doesn't work : ( 20180628 17:38:59-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 17:40:00< hk238> but I don't know why it should work.. maybe the use of the end statements is not correct? :o 20180628 17:40:23<+discordbot3> You should be getting error messages about what's wrong. 20180628 17:40:46< hk238> but there's no error message 20180628 17:41:59<+discordbot3> In that case, try logging something. 20180628 17:42:01<+discordbot3> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML/Display#wesnoth.log 20180628 17:42:12< hk238> mmm well I guess that means there's no problem but the logic does something else than what it's supposed to 20180628 17:42:23< hk238> like for an example that this code fails to save weather events 20180628 17:45:56< hk238> are the end statements at the end of those one line statements necessary? 20180628 17:45:58< hk238> https://pastebin.com/4YbYCJa8 20180628 17:46:01< hk238> like for an example on line 25? 20180628 17:46:19<+discordbot3> Yes, they are. 20180628 17:46:42<+discordbot3> Again, Lua syntax errors would cause error messages. 20180628 17:47:13< hk238> ah then I'm probably missing an end statement somewhere 20180628 17:47:41<+discordbot3> Like I said, if you were missing an end keyword, you'd get an error message. 20180628 17:48:29< hk238> right sorry 20180628 17:51:08< hk238> hmm 20180628 17:52:43< hk238> at least I wrote "haevier snowfall" once so that might be it :D 20180628 17:53:34< hk238> and heavy_rain once .. darn 20180628 17:53:44<+discordbot3> Sounds like you're just shooting in the dark. Like I said, try logging. You can check if your code is being called to begin with, if it's taking the path you expect, that kind of stuff. 20180628 17:53:58< hk238> yeah sorry but I think that was it 20180628 17:54:27<+discordbot3> Just reading the code is an extremely inefficient and difficult way to find bugs. 20180628 17:56:17< hk238> yeah I'm sorry it's just that I don't have much time and getting into the logging would seem like it might take a while 20180628 17:56:33< hk238> but that wasn't the issue I'll have to figure it out during the weekend 20180628 17:56:38< hk238> with logging perhaps 20180628 17:56:38< hk238> :D 20180628 17:57:20<+discordbot3> If you don't have time, then it would be better to just stop for now. 20180628 17:57:41<+discordbot3> Doing things in an inefficient way isn't generally a good idea to do if you don't have time. 20180628 17:59:02< hk238> yeah sorry 20180628 18:10:28-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180628 18:13:25-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180628 18:15:36-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 18:26:23-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 18:52:24<+discordbot3> a good advice that I find hard to follow myself is to start with something smaller 20180628 18:52:58<+discordbot3> something that you can finish in a reasonable time, instead of making a mess and never really finish anything 😄 20180628 19:05:02<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> Yeah 20180628 19:05:31<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> "24 scenario campaign. Currently 3 scenarios complete. Not balanced. Two scenarios are dialogue only." 20180628 19:05:37<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> Been seeing a ton of those. 20180628 19:06:30<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> I don't understand the point. I've played Wesnoth like 10 years. Not ONCE have I downloaded an incomplete campaign. Not even once. 20180628 19:06:44-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 19:09:54<+discordbot3> well because if you want to write a long campaign 20180628 19:10:00<+discordbot3> like ~20 scenarios 20180628 19:10:11<+discordbot3> it's hard for some of us to spend months on it and keep it to ourselves the whole time 20180628 19:10:12<+discordbot3> I can understand work in progress, what I don't get it when people undermine their own work in the descriptions 20180628 19:10:28<+discordbot3> it's better to just release the WIP and note that it's not done 20180628 19:10:33<+discordbot3> as if saying it'[s not that good would make people think it's better than it is - no, it simply makes them not download it 20180628 19:11:09<+discordbot3> and honestly, if you as an author really think your work is not good enough, simply don't upload it 20180628 19:12:21<+discordbot3> that's from a player standpoint 20180628 19:12:34<+discordbot3> some people are actually just looking for help on improving their work 20180628 19:13:03<+discordbot3> Even then, the description should be something like "3 scenarios, more planned later". 20180628 19:14:14<+discordbot3> at least from a writing standpoint, serially released works sometimes give a number on how many total chapters/episodes/scenarios are expected 20180628 19:14:43<+discordbot3> for television shows, this makes sense because a network will order a certain number of episodes, so you just know how many there are 20180628 19:15:28<+discordbot3> for other things like a manga, it can give you an idea of approximately how far into the story you are/how much more development can occur 20180628 19:16:25<+discordbot3> (not that everyone who does this has a really good idea of their story's direction 😂) 20180628 19:22:57<+discordbot3> to be clear, I was not talking about WIP projects 20180628 19:23:28<+discordbot3> would be easier if I could find any examples of what I meant, but of course now I checked and can't find any 😄 20180628 19:25:03<+discordbot3> yah, the whole undermining your own work is a little meh 20180628 19:47:23-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180628 19:54:57<+discordbot3> "Hey you noob. Yes YOU! Download my campaign now. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Do it. NOW!!!" 20180628 20:19:12<+discordbot3> <[BBD]Nolnag> Oh I don't think marketing is an issue. It's just clutter. We all know the majority of those campaigns will probably never be completed. Is there a WIP filter on the addons server? That would be nice. 20180628 20:27:05<+discordbot3> Not really 20180628 20:57:57-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180628 21:21:14-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.34.255] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 21:30:32-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180628 21:45:51<+discordbot3> If its WIP and you want to upload it, then I guess you could write/include "(WIP)" or something in the name of the addon? @[BBD]Nolnag 20180628 21:46:19<+discordbot3> Ohhh a WIP filter 20180628 21:46:26<+discordbot3> I think that sounds nice too :) 20180628 21:49:50< Ravana_> it is considered visible from version number 20180628 21:52:59<+discordbot3> Lol did u know that sliced bread was banned for a short time in the USA 20180628 21:53:03<+discordbot3> xD 20180628 22:29:08-!- ibispi [~quassel@188.246.34.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 22:57:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 22:57:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180628 23:11:06-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1787.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180628 23:11:17-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180628 23:43:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180628 23:47:10-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.131.34.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Jun 29 00:00:51 2018