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The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180718 03:52:10<+discordbot1> Is anyone here good at using Apache's mod_rewrite? 20180718 03:53:12<+discordbot1> I have this rule: RewriteRule ^forum/(.*)$ http://forums.wesnoth.org/$1 [L,QSA] And this rule: RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ http://wiki.wesnoth.org/$1 [L,QSA] 20180718 03:53:47<+discordbot1> The latter works (http://www.wesnoth.org/ → http://wiki.wesnoth.org/), the former (/forum → forums.wesnoth.org) does not. 20180718 03:54:04<+discordbot1> And I swear it used to. 20180718 04:00:47< irker961> wesnoth: Iris Morelle valen:master 8b929718a90a / bin/valen.pl: valen: Disable wesnothd stats URL until it's fixed next century or so https://github.com/wesnoth/valen/commit/8b929718a90a5d3bb67b08e3f511a2c250714510 20180718 05:01:34-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180718 05:16:35-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: vihta 20180718 05:31:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 05:31:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 05:32:47-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 05:35:15-!- Netsplit over, joins: vihta 20180718 05:50:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 06:10:29< irker961> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Nils Kneuper 111b5db7b4 updated Bulgarian translation AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180718 06:20:14-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 06:20:52-!- zookeeper_ [~lmsnie@192.130.252.49] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 06:20:52-!- zookeeper_ [~lmsnie@192.130.252.49] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 06:24:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180718 06:27:53-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 06:43:25-!- timotei__ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 06:45:53-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180718 06:52:37< zookeeper> ah, i completely missed those damsel-in-distress/writing-vs-gameplay/etc discussions a while back... 20180718 07:07:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 07:07:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 08:05:20-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 08:08:17-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 09:00:48-!- valdar [atarocch@nat/redhat/x-hbymxkpevmtrdzhz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:07:24-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180718 09:07:46-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:08:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 09:08:34-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:08:57-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 09:09:19-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:09:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 09:10:38-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:11:16-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 09:11:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 09:12:03-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180718 10:01:45-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 10:26:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180718 10:31:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 10:32:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 11:14:49-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@77.188.24.48] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 11:41:18-!- nurupo [~nurupo.ga@unaffiliated/nurupo] has quit [Quit: nurupo] 20180718 11:42:18-!- nurupo [~nurupo.ga@unaffiliated/nurupo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 12:08:28-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 12:42:14-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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Obviously we can do better than super-generic cliched storytelling for mainline. That is something we can all agree on without digging into the more controversial feminist angle. 20180718 14:37:36<+discordbot1> If you want the standard hero saves damsel story there are probably plenty of UMCs for that. 20180718 14:40:27<+discordbot1> Although I am really amazed with the creativity of our UMC authors too. 20180718 14:41:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180718 14:45:39< zookeeper> having _some_ side characters be flat, tropey and one-dimensional can be fine, but of course major characters like cleodil (and probably most of the NR gang) should have more to them. 20180718 14:45:59-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@77.188.24.48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 14:47:47< zookeeper> and of course nothing intrinsically prevents damsel-in-distress or any other trope from being executed well (because trope =/= bad), although, uh... i can't think of any good examples off the top of my head. 20180718 14:51:23<+discordbot1> It might make for a good comedy if you play it for laughs 20180718 14:52:07< zookeeper> then it'd probably be closer to subversion of the trope, i'd imagine 20180718 14:55:10<+discordbot1> Like the princess in gdMen anime 20180718 15:03:25<+discordbot1> But yeah, you’re right that is subverting it. 20180718 15:03:36< zookeeper> also - and this isn't meant to excuse writing that's "actually bad" - we have so many campaigns that i think it definitely makes sense to rather aim for a diversity in styles. some campaigns can be the equivalent of fun hack-and-slash and some can be more story-driven with well-developed characters and all that. not _all_ campaigns need to focus on a compelling detailed story and deep and 20180718 15:03:36< zookeeper> trope-nonconforming characters (even though i personally would prefer those). 20180718 15:03:50<+discordbot1> Or parody 20180718 15:05:27<+discordbot1> If I wanted to imagine an enjoyable story that plays the trope straight it would probably be some testosterone fueled epic like Conan the Barbarian. 20180718 15:12:56-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 15:16:37< zookeeper> i mean, the problem with damsel-in-distress isn't that the story _has_ a character who has little agency and only acts as motivation/reward for the main characters, it's only a problem if it doesn't make sense on some level, or if the damsel is actively being annoyingly helpless all the time. you can have a prince rescue a princess just fine, as long as their motivations and personalities 20180718 15:16:37< zookeeper> and all that work and make sense. 20180718 15:17:35< zookeeper> but as said, as i can't think of any good examples of that trope done particularly well, it's hard to say how exceedingly well one would have to execute it for it to work. 20180718 15:25:14-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has left #wesnoth-dev ["Leaving"] 20180718 15:33:22-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 15:59:51-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180718 16:05:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 16:05:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 16:07:59<+discordbot1> I still think NR should be dropped. There are seventeen mainline campaigns, and we wanted to mainline a Drake one and Dunefolke one. It's considered to be the worst one. we're not having endless ressources, and the existing mainline campaigns would deserve some rework too. 20180718 16:15:51<+discordbot1> I think LoW is the worst one, personally 20180718 16:16:22<+discordbot1> and I've already said that I would rather work on a rewrite for NR than LoW 20180718 16:37:40-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 16:41:10-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4dbc1830.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 16:57:29-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-157-40-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 16:57:30< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth#1193 (simple_wml_tstring - 1c6065d : gfgtdf): The build passed. 20180718 16:57:30< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth/builds/405439259 20180718 16:57:31-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-157-40-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20180718 17:04:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 17:04:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 17:11:19-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 17:52:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 17:52:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 18:05:04-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 18:19:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 18:19:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 18:19:06<+discordbot1> LoW was proposed for removal in 1.13 as well 20180718 18:20:18<+discordbot1> the thing is LoW and NR both add events to the timeline of wesnoth 20180718 18:20:21<+discordbot1> significant things 20180718 18:20:57<+discordbot1> something like THoT doesn't really add much and is kind of boring 20180718 18:21:05<+discordbot1> writing in it isn't quite as bad, though, just a little bland is all 20180718 18:21:21<+discordbot1> well, except for some parts 20180718 18:26:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 18:26:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 18:31:09-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 18:32:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 18:32:48-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 19:06:44-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180718 19:07:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 19:14:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 19:14:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 19:24:55-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180718 19:27:14-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 19:53:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 19:53:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 20:03:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 20:03:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 20:08:13-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 20:08:19-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 20:26:10<+discordbot1> Sapient, if you find the idea of a strong female character “controversial” I really have no words. 20180718 20:28:54-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 20:33:03< zookeeper> what, did i miss something? 20180718 20:33:25<+discordbot1> I don't remember seeing anything about that either 20180718 20:44:11<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/469243005753229315/unknown.png 20180718 20:44:46< zookeeper> @Vultraz ^ 20180718 20:45:30<+discordbot1> Yes? 20180718 20:47:51<+discordbot1> That is indeed to what I was referring 20180718 20:55:12< zookeeper> but then what you just said doesn't make any sense. 20180718 20:55:34<+discordbot1> It makes perfect sense to me. 20180718 20:56:30<+discordbot1> Sapient's contribution to the discussion is little more than an attempt to stir up controversy, ironically enough. 20180718 20:57:39<+discordbot1> Ergo, nothing more than that really needs to be said about that. 20180718 20:57:55-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 20:58:23-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 21:18:29< zookeeper> obviously the thing he thinks is controversial is not the idea of a strong female character, but the idea that non-strong female characters are bad and sexist and must always be avoided. unless one has miraculously missed the culture wars of the last, i dunno, decade or two, it's rather glaringly clear that there's controversy WRT some elements of the so-called feminist angle to writing 20180718 21:18:29< zookeeper> game characters, so saying that you don't even need to touch that topic for everyone to mostly agree doesn't really count as stirring up controversy. 20180718 21:20:18-!- heirecka [~heirecka@exherbo/developer/heirecka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 21:20:33<+discordbot1> Most of that controversy is from sexist entitled manbaby trolls and channer trash. 20180718 21:21:01-!- heirecka [~heirecka@exherbo/developer/heirecka] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 21:21:05<+discordbot1> Don't pretend their points have any validity. 20180718 21:22:37< zookeeper> anyone who thinks chantal is a good compelling character and makes sense? probably not. yay, everyone agrees already, whatever their opinions are about gender politics of game character writing, or whatever. 20180718 21:22:57< zookeeper> oh, cleodil. 20180718 21:23:23<+discordbot1> such good characters you can't even tell them apart. 20180718 21:23:30< zookeeper> exactly! 20180718 21:23:59<+discordbot1> also given past interactions ive had with sapient, his statements here do not reflect favorably upon him. 20180718 21:25:25< zookeeper> well, to be fair, it's probably because they appear in LoW and DM which i've played very very little. 20180718 21:26:48< zookeeper> there's a lot of people here whose statements don't reflect favorably upon them, it's just that pretty much no one else but you ever says those kinds of things about others. it's rude. 20180718 21:29:34<+discordbot1> no comment 20180718 21:37:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 21:38:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 21:46:21<+discordbot1> What are you on about now? 20180718 21:47:00<+discordbot1> Are there any fully-rounded compelling characters in mainline to begin with? No, not really, although there's a small number that I prefer above the others. 20180718 21:48:10<+discordbot1> There's no feminist conspiracy to be had here. 20180718 21:49:16<+discordbot1> We've been over this before, Wesnoth's writing is basic in general and I see the generic tropey female characters as a consequence rather than a cause of that. 20180718 21:50:23<+discordbot1> Even the generic white male protagonists are flat as a sheet of paper. 20180718 21:50:32< zookeeper> i think that depends on your expectations; you can certainly call any mainline wesnoth character shallow (or whatever) if you compare them to characters in other games or media where they'd receive more screentime and focus. and yeah, i do think a lot of characters are compelling, as that doesn't require them to be fleshed out in detail. 20180718 21:50:53<+discordbot1> What depth does Konrad have? Or Gweddry? 20180718 21:51:05<+discordbot1> Compare them to characters in the same game. 20180718 21:51:23<+discordbot1> I'd rather see Haldric or Kaleh's story. 20180718 21:52:02<+discordbot1> (Even Kalenz of all people manages to have more depth than the protagonist of the flagship campaign, and that should be your biggest warning sign.) 20180718 21:52:39<+discordbot1> Also yes, zookeeper, this whole thing is about expectations. 20180718 21:52:47<+discordbot1> The premise is that Wesnoth is a high fantasy game. 20180718 21:52:53< zookeeper> gweddry has almost no depth, and konrad very little. i think both derive most of their characterization from their portraits, really. 20180718 21:52:59<+discordbot1> In practice it comes across as a very cheap attempt at a high fantasy game. 20180718 21:56:32<+discordbot1> actually, I think the whole genre is pretty guilty of that though 20180718 22:00:59< zookeeper> high fantasy is just a setting, it doesn't mean that a game/campaign is bad just because it doesn't have deep characters or subversion of tropes. i enjoy TRoW and UtBS for their more engaging characters over HttT and EI as much as anyone, but i also think it's perfectly fine to, for example, have campaigns that focus on gameplay and less on awesome writing. if you can have both then great, 20180718 22:00:59< zookeeper> but some people are mostly interested in gameplay and that's fine, we're not failing at game development if our campaigns have different story:gameplay ratios that cater to different people. 20180718 22:01:44-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 22:03:34-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 22:06:00<+discordbot1> it's just that in some cases the writing is poor enough (to me at least) that I wouldn't want to play the campaign 20180718 22:06:56<+discordbot1> not every campaign has to be story focused but just like wesnoth doesn't take art from beginner artists 20180718 22:07:11<+discordbot1> no reason for it to take writing from beginner writers too 20180718 22:10:00< zookeeper> for sure, i'd be interested in seeing what a professional writer could do. 20180718 22:10:27<+discordbot1> I've been offering to do NR 20180718 22:10:32<+discordbot1> or some rewrite 20180718 22:12:29< zookeeper> and yes, a lot of the writing is very cringe-worthy, i'm absolutely not a fan of the worst bits that have been cited here recently. 20180718 22:12:34<+discordbot1> only problem is it's difficult to know when/whether things will committed 20180718 22:13:23<+discordbot1> and obviously the best rewrite would be to redo the scenarios too, but I can't do it all alone, especially not for free 20180718 22:13:45<+discordbot1> without knowing if anything will get committed 20180718 22:13:58<+discordbot1> e.g. my THoT revision 20180718 22:14:21< gfgtdf> any opinion on merging pr #342 ? (no, there is no digit missing) 20180718 22:16:29<+discordbot1> assuming you got it working no 20180718 22:19:17< gfgtdf> unrelated to that pr: we don't require 'forward' copmpability for the wesnothd server, right? i mean if for example a wesnoth client 1.14.5 could not work with a 1.14.4 wesnothd. 20180718 22:20:19< zookeeper> @Yumi yeah, sadly reviewing changes is often a non-trivial task in itself. you have to be as sure of the changes being good as you need to be when you make them yourself, and _that_ tends to be harder when you're just looking at someone else's work. 20180718 22:23:31<+discordbot1> I'm aware 20180718 22:23:51<+discordbot1> I'm not trying to blame, just stating why right now we can only talk about it 20180718 22:23:54<+discordbot1> instead of me working on anything 20180718 22:24:12-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 22:25:51-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180718 22:37:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180718 22:38:52-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 22:49:12-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 22:49:45-!- irker691 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 22:49:45< irker691> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.14 7b7b7400c1c4 / src/server/ (simple_wml.cpp simple_wml.hpp): don't use std::pair https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7b7b7400c1c41d2294d971bbc056f55835e38234 20180718 22:49:45< irker691> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.14 20128ac9914c / src/server/ (simple_wml.cpp simple_wml.hpp): preserve traslatable strings in simple_wml. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/20128ac9914c971d759399dff6f7ed8edcb960c8 20180718 22:50:50-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180718 22:53:52-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 22:53:55-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180718 23:03:01-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-234-89-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180718 23:03:02< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth#1196 (simple_wml_tstring - c49b5d7 : gfgtdf): The build has errored. 20180718 23:03:02< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth/builds/405576412 20180718 23:03:02-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-234-89-233.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20180718 23:09:38<+discordbot1> We're not failing at game development. We're failing at engaging with a target audience that can sustain the project. 20180718 23:10:28<+discordbot1> I reckon this in particular is hard for zookeeper to see since he's perfectly content with just staying in the background for over 14 years while everyone else comes and goes. 20180718 23:11:03<+discordbot1> Certainly improving the game's writing is not going to solve that thing, but it's a step in the right direction. 20180718 23:11:12<+discordbot1> And any effort, no matter how small, helps. 20180718 23:36:51-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180718 23:43:47< irker691> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 gfgtdf 96a760c72d preserve traslatable strings in simple_w AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180718 23:44:20< irker691> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:1.14 a13331efee67 / data/core/macros/unit-utils.cfg: Macro reference: Add hint to clear variable afterwards https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a13331efee678906b78974f416d43c72313d81d7 20180718 23:45:24< irker691> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 0ca460efcdad / data/core/macros/unit-utils.cfg: Macro reference: Add hint to clear variable afterwards https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0ca460efcdad42b5bce93a420fac725cd0105993 20180718 23:51:55-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Thu Jul 19 00:00:01 2018