--- Log opened Thu Jul 26 00:00:22 2018 20180726 00:00:26-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 00:23:09<+discordbot> are add-ons supposed to be required to have an icon set? 20180726 00:27:27<+discordbot> asking since it's reported as an error, ie: error addons-client: add-on 'Deterministic_Offense' doesn't have an icon path set 20180726 00:40:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 00:40:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 00:41:04<+discordbot> they should 20180726 00:41:15<+discordbot> there are over a dozen with broken or missing icons 20180726 00:42:47<+discordbot> broken isn't really anything new, given all the IPFs people use now. 20180726 00:43:15<+discordbot> but it seemed strange to report missing an icon as an error if it's apparently allowed 20180726 01:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 01:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 01:56:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 01:56:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 02:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 02:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 02:17:27-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 02:37:46-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 02:37:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 02:42:53-!- irker216 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20180726 03:00:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180726 03:10:12-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180726 03:10:18-!- aidanhs2 [~aidanhs@81.4.110.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180726 03:10:42-!- aidanhs2 [~aidanhs@81.4.110.234] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 03:37:08-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 03:56:50-!- Appleman1234_ [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 04:00:10-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180726 05:04:16-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180726 13:46:53-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 14:43:13< zookeeper> in a way it's a bit dubious to _require_ an add-on to have an icon. i mean, it's not like a blank one is any better than a missing one. 20180726 14:54:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 14:54:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 15:28:14-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180726 15:46:07-!- timotei_ [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 16:10:43-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 16:17:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 16:17:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 17:03:49-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 17:06:34-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 20180726 17:54:15-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 18:09:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:09:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 18:14:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:15:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 18:22:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:22:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 18:29:11-!- Oebele [~quassel@185-11-201-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:40:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:40:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 18:57:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:58:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 19:22:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 19:22:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 19:27:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 19:27:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 19:30:17<+discordbot> It should force people to choose one. If they get the idea to use blank-hex.png... well ¯_(ツ)_/¯. But currently it just displays the error messages to the wrong people ... 20180726 19:40:16<+discordbot> @sigurdfd Thanks 20180726 19:49:51< zookeeper> yeah, and there's no reason to display an error message when an icon is missing, unless we want a rule stating that a blank icon is forbidden and that the icon must actually include some interesting pixels. 20180726 20:16:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 20:16:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 20:34:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 20:34:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 21:44:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 21:44:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@206.189.184.60] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 21:44:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@206.189.184.60] has quit [Changing host] 20180726 21:44:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 21:56:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 21:56:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 22:01:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 22:01:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 22:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 22:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 22:22:01-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 22:26:23<+discordbot> Should I make it so the server rejects add-ons without an icon then? 20180726 22:27:16< zookeeper> but why? 20180726 22:31:32<+discordbot> Because it seems like you don't have a good reason to allow them. 20180726 22:31:54<+discordbot> If you do, make sure to tell me asap because it's a trivial patch to write and I'm bored. 20180726 22:41:45< zookeeper> if there's no good reason to disallow it, then it's absurd to argue that it should be disallowed unless someone offers a good reason why it should not be disallowed. :| 20180726 22:44:10-!- valdar [~atarocch@37.176.231.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180726 22:46:02<+discordbot> We disallow invalid images already, which are equivalent to not having an image unless debug mode is enabled. 20180726 22:46:08<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180726 22:51:28< zookeeper> ...they are equivalent to not having an image only because of the issue that we're discussing which i propose to solve by having them not be equivalent to having an image and you propose to solve by disallowing them altogether. 20180726 22:52:47< zookeeper> +not 20180726 22:57:36<+discordbot> @shadowm please make that change. 20180726 22:59:16<+discordbot> "which i propose to solve by having them not be equivalent to having an image" 20180726 22:59:32<+discordbot> So missing icons would be equivalent to what, exactly? 20180726 22:59:55< zookeeper> "which i propose to solve by having them not be equivalent to not having an image" 20180726 23:00:01< zookeeper> equivalent to a blank image, obviously 20180726 23:00:20< zookeeper> if we allow blank icons there's no reason to force an icon 20180726 23:00:30<+discordbot> And a blank image is equivalent to not having an image. 20180726 23:00:35<+discordbot> Great reasoning there. 20180726 23:02:05<+discordbot> To clarify, you want to solve the issue of not having an image by not having an image. 20180726 23:02:25<+discordbot> (what is the issue of not having an image?) 20180726 23:02:43<+discordbot> It makes the list look untidy. 20180726 23:03:14<+discordbot> A better solution would be to have a default icon for add-ons without an image/with an incorrect image. 20180726 23:03:39<+discordbot> hmmm 20180726 23:05:30< zookeeper> how does it make the list look untidy? by not offering interesting pixels? because i see nothing untidy about the deterministic offense mod in the list. 20180726 23:06:01< zookeeper> if so then we should add a rule saying that the icon must not be blank but must contain some actual graphical stuff in it. 20180726 23:06:27<+discordbot> oh, shut up. 20180726 23:07:04<+discordbot> "interesting pixels" 20180726 23:07:58<+discordbot> If you're going to reduce UI design to "interesting pixels" then perhaps let the people who actually do UIs in here take care of the job. 20180726 23:08:08< zookeeper> how does it make the list look untidy? 20180726 23:08:22<+discordbot> you (zookeeper) never seem to manage to offer constructive feedback, instead simply insist on spouting pedantic nonsense that pisses everyone off but we're too polite to say anything. 20180726 23:08:59<+discordbot> You have a list of icons, and some of them are missing entirely, and the player has no way to know whether that's intentional on our part, the author's part, or a bug on our part, or a bug on the author's part. 20180726 23:09:16<+discordbot> The player who has just encountered Wesnoth for the first time. 20180726 23:09:44<+discordbot> I need to emphasize that last part because devs here have a fixation with assuming that things that work for them work for everyone else. 20180726 23:10:57< zookeeper> @shadowm okay. but in that case, you logically must also agree that blank icons should be forbidden, no? 20180726 23:11:18<+discordbot> Yes. 20180726 23:11:58< zookeeper> well, that's legit. 20180726 23:13:08<+discordbot> "Extra GE Scenarios" has no visible icon; are you saying the users should interpret that as error? if so, why not have an actual error icon? 20180726 23:13:28<+discordbot> > You have a list of icons, and some of them are missing entirely, and the player has no way to know whether that's intentional on our part, the author's part, or a bug on our part, or a bug on the author's part. 20180726 23:13:40<+discordbot> You just need to replace "missing entirely" with "displaying an error iocn". 20180726 23:14:24-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 23:15:44< zookeeper> if someone really wants their icon to look blank then drawing the line is going to be awkward, but otherwise... eh, sure, i guess. it's not like there's many authors who'd prefer a blank icon. 20180726 23:19:07-!- iwaim [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180726 23:19:44-!- iwaim [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 23:20:22<+discordbot> some icons are fairly small, eg the "Expendable Leaders" icon is just the crown overlay; surely a simple red X for error would be better for recognition 20180726 23:31:17<+discordbot> The add-ons web index already has an image for missing/broken images, so that could be used. 20180726 23:46:33-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180726 23:48:28-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 23:51:59<+discordbot> well, looks like my local file server is constantly turning of and on every couple seconds 20180726 23:52:04<+discordbot> this should be fun 20180726 23:54:00<+discordbot> is everyone running local servers? 🤔 20180726 23:55:01<+discordbot> the irony is that I built this intending to protect against my main PC dying 20180726 23:55:07<+discordbot> >.> 20180726 23:56:17<+discordbot> also because it would have 5.5 TB of space --- Log closed Fri Jul 27 00:00:24 2018