--- Log opened Tue Jul 03 00:00:57 2018 20180703 00:04:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 00:04:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 00:05:40<+discordbot1> Ohh! Okay I am grateful :)) 20180703 00:10:10<+discordbot1> I gotta go for now, take care all!! 20180703 00:16:14<+discordbot1> hello everybody, i trasmit the message of Flameheart to this channel: "shadowm says my ban would be 96 hours, but 4 days have already passed. I want to rejoin the channel, please" 20180703 00:18:35<+discordbot1> Oh right. Nobody reminded me of this. 20180703 00:18:51<+discordbot1> I knew I had forgotten something all weekend. 20180703 00:19:10< celmin> Heh. 20180703 00:24:51<+discordbot1> ok, thank you, i told him he can expect to be unbanned 20180703 00:25:05<+discordbot1> He already is. 20180703 00:26:00-!- HeyCitizen_ [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 00:27:57-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180703 00:48:48-!- HeyCitizen [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-03-67-68-202-204.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 00:49:47-!- HeyCitiz- [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 00:51:02-!- HeyCitizen_ [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180703 00:53:05-!- HeyCitizen [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-03-67-68-202-204.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180703 00:56:52<+discordbot1> o.O 20180703 01:52:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 01:52:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 02:29:09-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20180703 02:41:38-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180703 02:50:48<+discordbot1> Varicks lol well if you are bothered then its not of negative intention? x33 please let me know if i bother you because i have a bad idea of what is right and what isnt right ;-; haha im so sorry 20180703 03:14:57-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180703 04:16:33<+discordbot1> The slovenian language translator is inacrive, he explained the situation to me on the mail 20180703 04:16:45<+discordbot1> *inactive 20180703 04:26:40<+discordbot1> Hi Ertgamer sorry to bother you 5 times by now xDD but are you free to play? @Ertgamer I can play if you are here :) 20180703 04:26:48<+discordbot1> oh man I feel so bad for pinging you so much haha! 20180703 04:37:53<+discordbot1> obviously the pings don't interrupt him 20180703 04:38:09<+discordbot1> so....feel save 20180703 04:41:21<+discordbot1> Oh thank you so much fellow project member :)) <3 20180703 04:41:36<+discordbot1> I love to feel safe :)) 20180703 05:05:40<+discordbot1> Hahha sorry bro i cant right now 20180703 05:06:07<+discordbot1> I have an oral exam for the end od the year 20180703 05:06:16<+discordbot1> And im kinda studying right now 20180703 05:06:28<+discordbot1> I'll start it in 1 hour 20180703 05:09:21<+discordbot1> After that we can play as much as you want 20180703 05:11:41<+discordbot1> Ok no problem !! <3 20180703 05:11:58<+discordbot1> I probably wont be free in one hour to 20180703 05:12:03<+discordbot1> *tho 20180703 05:59:19-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 05:59:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 06:43:42-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 07:06:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 07:31:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 07:35:36-!- Guest6912 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 08:06:02-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 08:14:45-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180703 08:23:41-!- clavi [~anonymous@v22018044422564167.powersrv.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 08:40:23<+discordbot1> OK guys im free 20180703 08:40:27<+discordbot1> Anyone wanna play? 20180703 08:44:28<+discordbot1> Sure I'm free too 20180703 08:44:35<+discordbot1> finally 🍮 :DDD 20180703 08:45:44<+discordbot1> I'm in the multiplayer lobby 20180703 08:49:05<+discordbot1> OK coming 20180703 08:49:08<+discordbot1> Yay 20180703 08:49:18<+discordbot1> Name is ert now 20180703 08:49:23<+discordbot1> Okay 👌 20180703 08:49:28<+discordbot1> And I can't write while playing, sry 20180703 08:49:31<+discordbot1> Crimson_Conure here 20180703 08:49:42<+discordbot1> Ok no problem!! I am so privileged to get to play you anyway :)) 20180703 08:49:48<+discordbot1> Lol 20180703 08:49:51<+discordbot1> Why that? 20180703 08:51:37<+discordbot1> Because I have had a really hard life in the past and im lucky to be alive!! 20180703 08:51:54<+discordbot1> I really have nothing going on so i figure I can be really nice and serve people and have fun :)) 20180703 08:52:06<+discordbot1> And well at least im doing a lot better now 20180703 08:53:42<+discordbot1> Im just privileged to get to have fun with games like wesnoth and chess 20180703 08:54:02<+discordbot1> and that people are actually nice to me :)) im not very used to it 20180703 08:55:08<+discordbot1> I think this is getting too personal for general chat but yeah i have dealt with a lot of people that seemed to seek only to harm me, and I used to be homeless at one point as a child 20180703 08:55:16<+discordbot1> in which i still am one 20180703 08:55:52<+discordbot1> I'm sorry to hear that 20180703 08:56:01<+discordbot1> Thank you :) ❤️❤️ 20180703 08:56:04<+discordbot1> I'm also quite a loner haha 20180703 08:56:16<+discordbot1> aww 20180703 08:56:34<+discordbot1> I'm too different for normal ppl to get used to me lol 20180703 08:56:40<+discordbot1> Where r u bte 20180703 08:56:42<+discordbot1> Btw 20180703 08:56:46<+discordbot1> I created a game 20180703 08:56:49<+discordbot1> oh 20180703 08:57:06<+discordbot1> im in version 1.14 20180703 08:57:13<+discordbot1> or whichever is the newest 20180703 08:57:25<+discordbot1> Which version is on the phone? 20180703 08:57:46<+discordbot1> Err 20180703 08:58:27<+discordbot1> You are playing on phone? hmm 20180703 08:58:31<+discordbot1> No idea ;_; 20180703 08:58:37<+discordbot1> Is anybody else in the lobby for you lol 20180703 08:58:39<+discordbot1> Yepp 20180703 08:58:46<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180703 08:59:03<+discordbot1> hmm 20180703 08:59:21<+discordbot1> But the ppl there play from computers 20180703 08:59:41<+discordbot1> Cuz they always complain that I take too long for entering a map haha 20180703 08:59:46<+discordbot1> do you know which version you are using? maybe i can switch 20180703 09:00:01<+discordbot1> I'll try to check 20180703 09:00:05<+discordbot1> sweet 20180703 09:00:28<+discordbot1> If it's iPhone then it's 1.10. 20180703 09:00:59<+discordbot1> mmm ok i will switch to 1.10 :) is that the only one? Is there one for ipad etc.? 20180703 09:01:20<+discordbot1> No its 1.12.6 20180703 09:01:26<+discordbot1> ok sweet' 20180703 09:01:42<+discordbot1> There are 2 wesnoth games on the playstore 20180703 09:02:24<+discordbot1> I'm using the battle for wesnoth LEGACY 20180703 09:02:32<+discordbot1> Coming =) 20180703 09:02:35<+discordbot1> but it has many malfunctions 20180703 09:02:37<+discordbot1> Ok 20180703 09:02:43<+discordbot1> Man how are you all so nice lol :)) you guys are all patient <3 20180703 09:02:59<+discordbot1> I can't write, the music ain't working 20180703 09:03:30<+discordbot1> I'm on 1.12.6 20180703 09:03:40<+discordbot1> OK I'll go in now 20180703 09:03:46<+discordbot1> Download ageless era 20180703 09:03:53<+discordbot1> And Afterlife 20180703 09:03:56<+discordbot1> MP 20180703 09:04:05<+discordbot1> Scenario I think 20180703 09:04:19<+discordbot1> That's the one i m practicing now 20180703 09:04:31<+discordbot1> okay :) 20180703 09:05:15<+discordbot1> ooh I just realized that Ravana (<3!) helped make Ageless Era 20180703 09:05:28<+discordbot1> Great person 20180703 09:05:32<+discordbot1> friend 20180703 10:05:47< Soliton> @Ertgamer: make sure to report those issues on the forum so the android maintainer has a chance to fix them. 20180703 10:07:29< Ravana_> I do not expect fixes for 1.12 20180703 10:07:47< Soliton> me neither. 20180703 10:09:17<+discordbot1> Nice game bro 20180703 10:09:30<+discordbot1> Who are the maintainers? 20180703 10:09:44<+discordbot1> But it may be just that its my phone the problem 20180703 10:10:03<+discordbot1> Its a bit malfunctioning and I have to buy a new one anyway 20180703 10:11:09< Soliton> i don't see a reason for your phone to be the issue if you can run 1.12 fine. you should be able to run 1.14 just as well. 20180703 10:11:11<+discordbot1> There's a stickied thread on the forums (User's section) for the 1.14 android port. The maintainer is alep. 20180703 10:12:05<+discordbot1> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48327 20180703 10:12:07<+discordbot1> Good game Ert, you resign? 20180703 10:12:17<+discordbot1> Sooo I have to write something to him? 20180703 10:12:40<+discordbot1> We can play another one in a sec if u want 20180703 10:12:53<+discordbot1> But those sync errors were fly annoying 20180703 10:12:57<+discordbot1> mmm 20180703 10:13:01<+discordbot1> Oh I wont be able to play another round 20180703 10:13:03<+discordbot1> *rly 20180703 10:13:05<+discordbot1> Im so sorry!!! ;_; 20180703 10:13:10<+discordbot1> No problem 20180703 10:13:22<+discordbot1> thank you for your forgiveness ❣ 20180703 10:13:24<+discordbot1> I'll play with another faction next time 20180703 10:13:28<+discordbot1> Hehe x3 20180703 10:13:37<+discordbot1> I never lost with this one lol 20180703 10:13:45<+discordbot1> I can't see any weaknesses 20180703 10:13:58<+discordbot1> lol 20180703 10:14:05<+discordbot1> I'm serious 20180703 10:14:21<+discordbot1> Once you create a Mu 20180703 10:14:27<+discordbot1> You automatically win 20180703 10:14:42<+discordbot1> Lol really? xD 20180703 10:14:48<+discordbot1> Yepp 20180703 10:14:56<+discordbot1> does that mean you automatically won against me? lol xD 20180703 10:15:03<+discordbot1> Lol I won 20180703 10:15:20<+discordbot1> U were destroyed 20180703 10:15:22<+discordbot1> lol i droided your side and your leaders already almost dead xD 20180703 10:15:34<+discordbot1> whats the objective? 20180703 10:15:35<+discordbot1> Wtf? 20180703 10:15:49<+discordbot1> My leader was just fine 20180703 10:16:01<+discordbot1> yeah it got hit by like 4 level 2s 20180703 10:16:07<+discordbot1> Eh? 20180703 10:16:27<+discordbot1> No idea what ur talking abt lol 20180703 10:16:40<+discordbot1> Anyway the point is 20180703 10:16:49< Soliton> if you got out of sync errors you both had differing game states. 20180703 10:17:04<+discordbot1> To survive longer then ur opponent 20180703 10:17:20< Soliton> (so you both saw a different game at some point.) 20180703 10:17:32<+discordbot1> And each turn spawn stronger copies of the opponents units 20180703 10:17:39<+discordbot1> ohhh I see 20180703 10:17:40<+discordbot1> Oh 20180703 10:17:59<+discordbot1> It WAS moving a bit strange yeah 20180703 10:18:27<+discordbot1> At some point the AI didn't even attack me with some units 20180703 10:18:43<+discordbot1> It did seem that there's something off 20180703 10:18:56<+discordbot1> How can we change the settings? 20180703 10:19:04<+discordbot1> So that we don't have sync errors? 20180703 10:20:18< Soliton> it's no setting. you need to figure out what exactly is out of sync and fix that. 20180703 10:20:44<+discordbot1> There was written like unknown attacks 20180703 10:20:51< Soliton> perhaps you have different add-ons installed and some units have different stats. 20180703 10:20:52<+discordbot1> Or impossible movement 20180703 10:21:29<+discordbot1> It might be 20180703 10:21:32< Soliton> you need to look at the very first oos error. everything else is just wild guess work. 20180703 10:21:55<+discordbot1> Sometimes ageless era gives some problems yeah 20180703 10:22:27<+discordbot1> For example when loading MP 20180703 10:23:17<+discordbot1> It writes me that ageless era is malfunctioning 20180703 10:25:50< Soliton> paraphrased error messages are fairly useless. 20180703 10:26:51<+discordbot1> Haha 20180703 10:26:54<+discordbot1> Yeah ary 20180703 10:26:56<+discordbot1> Sry 20180703 10:27:06<+discordbot1> I'll report it next time I see it 20180703 10:27:37<+discordbot1> Ageless Era is a glorified benchmark suite so I'm surprised it doesn't make your phone explode. 20180703 10:27:56<+discordbot1> (Memory benchmark to be specific.) 20180703 10:28:07< Ravana_> phones are fairly powerful nowadays 20180703 10:28:30<+discordbot1> (TLU would be its terrain engine counterpart.) 20180703 10:35:53<+discordbot1> Oh 20180703 10:35:57<+discordbot1> What's that? 20180703 10:36:45<+discordbot1> I don't know any technical things abt computers, programs etc 20180703 10:36:53<+discordbot1> To Lands Unknown. 20180703 10:38:16<+discordbot1> Aha okay I'll downloat that also 20180703 10:38:27<+discordbot1> What's a memory benchmark? 20180703 10:39:02<+discordbot1> With "memory benchmark", shadowm means that Ageless Era needs a lot of memory. 20180703 10:39:23<+discordbot1> what, like RAM? 20180703 10:39:35<+discordbot1> I'm sensitive about this topic 20180703 10:39:48<+discordbot1> 32-bit builds of the game may literally crash because of lack of memory. And on mobile devices, the OS may kill Wesnoth because of the same reason. 20180703 10:40:15<+discordbot1> the heat wave on the east coast is making it impossible for a laptop fan to cool the cpu 20180703 10:40:31<+discordbot1> I'm literally playing without a battery installed #triggered 20180703 10:41:03<+discordbot1> Oh, well 20180703 10:41:22<+discordbot1> Wesnoth is pretty much the only game on my phone 20180703 10:41:33<+discordbot1> 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 20180703 10:41:34<+discordbot1> So I have a lot of RAM and internal memory 20180703 10:44:09<+discordbot1> so just install 16GB more ram 20180703 10:44:37<+discordbot1> @Ertgamer if you're running Wesnoth on an SSD at least it's cooler 20180703 10:45:59<+discordbot1> Ertgamer is using a phone. 20180703 10:46:10<+discordbot1> computers should be phones 20180703 10:46:12< Ravana_> ageless doesn't take that much memory in normal use 20180703 10:46:24< Ravana_> only if you decide to preprocess it again, it might 20180703 10:47:50<+discordbot1> It doesn't e end heat my phone when playing 20180703 10:47:54<+discordbot1> *even 20180703 10:48:02<+discordbot1> Try to play Izanagi 20180703 10:48:14<+discordbot1> Or FreeFire 20180703 10:48:23<+discordbot1> Those thing heat it like hell 20180703 10:48:36<+discordbot1> I couldn't hold it in my hand once 20180703 10:48:51<+discordbot1> There were like 35°C outside 20180703 10:58:37-!- Guest6912 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 11:25:44<+discordbot1> Guys could anyone tell me how to register so i can play on the official server for the 1.14 version? 20180703 11:27:06<+discordbot1> You can register at the forums: https://forums.wesnoth.org/ 20180703 11:29:44< zookeeper> if the game didn't tell you that when you tried to connect, then surely you must be using a (slightly) older version 20180703 11:32:44<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180703 11:32:53<+discordbot1> I doenloaded now the 1.14 20180703 11:32:58<+discordbot1> *downloaded 20180703 11:33:06<+discordbot1> And it did ask me 20180703 11:33:16<+discordbot1> Thank you, btw 20180703 11:58:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 12:11:40<+discordbot1> Guys, the problem with the keyboard is kinda annoying, because i cant sign in, which means that i cant play in MP 20180703 12:12:33<+discordbot1> Does anyone know how to solve such a thing? 20180703 12:13:09<+discordbot1> Is it just a problem of configuration or what? 20180703 12:14:49<+discordbot1> Hmmmmm well maybe see wesnoth controls? does keyboard work when you are not using wesnoth? 20180703 12:15:13< Soliton> most people here will not be familiar with the details of android or the android port of wesnoth. you've been pointed to the appropriate forum the thread, please report your issues there. 20180703 12:17:30<+discordbot1> Ok 20180703 13:19:47-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180703 13:47:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 13:47:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 13:48:58-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 13:49:25<+discordbot1> I've had a problem with some of the main line campaigns where the turn bell volume isn't adjustable 20180703 13:49:35<+discordbot1> it's not the default turn bell sound, it's like a rooster 20180703 13:49:45<+discordbot1> And no matter what I do in the sound settings, it's blazing loud 20180703 13:50:00<+discordbot1> Specifically on Legend of Wesmere, and Eastern Invasion 20180703 13:53:15< Soliton> general sound settings should have nothing to do with what campaign you happen to play. are you saying when you start a different campaign the sound suddenly works as expected? 20180703 14:04:04<+discordbot1> Correct. I typically don't have these problems. I think it's the sounds associated with the time of day, such as the rooster in the morning 20180703 14:04:05< zookeeper> uh, no, the volume of the time of day sounds isn't dependant on campaign 20180703 14:06:39-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 14:07:10<+discordbot1> I'm not sure, then. I guess I'll just play muted for now 20180703 14:08:03< zookeeper> and i still wonder what's the difference in sound systems between myself and everyone who complains those sounds are relatively too loud. although IIRC there haven't been (many) complaints since the last time their volume was lowered. 20180703 14:09:04<+discordbot1> All the sounds seem to correspond with my volume settings in-game besides the time of day sounds 20180703 14:09:11< zookeeper> if it's particularly distracting, you can just remove/edit data/core/sounds/ambient/morning.ogg 20180703 14:09:54<+discordbot1> And the birds 😄 Thanks 20180703 14:11:06< zookeeper> over here, they do totally obey the sound effects slider, though. 20180703 14:18:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 14:19:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 14:42:50-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 15:14:14-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20180703 15:57:10<+discordbot1> Saveloading is a bad habit. I had today a grasshopper on the balcony. He is handicaped, is missing one of his rear feet. Probably he can't make real jumps, but is still a great climber. I watched him for quite a while. He was not moving quickly, much using his antennas. I went to the room for a few minutes, when I came back he was gone. My first thought was saveloading, but then I reminded that that's not possible. 20180703 16:01:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 16:11:39<+discordbot1> In the EUIV community, it's called "savescumming". Not sure if it's a widely used term, though 20180703 16:12:12<+discordbot1> I was terrible with it as a kid. Had this romantic idea of having an army of high levels, didn't want to lose any of them 20180703 16:21:18<+discordbot1> Looking back, I think that's how I discovered I had a rationalization problem 20180703 16:40:24<+discordbot1> i was a saveloading champion too, back then i usually completed a 30-40 turns long mission on the easiest difficulty by saveloading five times... per turn 20180703 16:45:39<+discordbot1> Pfff 20180703 16:45:44<+discordbot1> Thats nothing 20180703 16:46:01<+discordbot1> I was doing once the Legend of wesmere campaign 20180703 16:46:11<+discordbot1> And there was a scenario with a big battle 20180703 16:46:41<+discordbot1> I played it for 3-4 days before i could get the exp i wanted to the units i wanted in the way i wanted LoL 20180703 16:53:53<+discordbot1> Yeah gotta use deterministic mode 20180703 16:55:07< Ravana_> if I decide I disagree with challenges scenario gives me I just undroid someone for few turns 20180703 17:01:05<+discordbot1> @Varicks even with deterministic mode, you can change the order of attacks/recruits to get different results. 20180703 17:02:03<+discordbot1> I used that trick with some other games. 20180703 17:06:04-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180703 17:32:06-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 17:35:09-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180703 17:36:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180703 17:40:34-!- DasBrain [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180703 17:41:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 17:59:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 18:00:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 18:25:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 18:25:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 18:45:20<+discordbot1> once i had a unit on 30%, the enemy had 2 units next to it, with 4 strikes each, they needed 3/8 to kill, i reloaded until they failed 20180703 18:52:08<+discordbot1> I never reload just for more favourable rolls 20180703 18:52:22<+discordbot1> I reload to make massive changes in tactics 20180703 19:29:04<+discordbot1> No, now i also play mostly on MP so i cant 20180703 19:29:24<+discordbot1> And if i play a campaign i reload the whole scenario to use a different strategy 20180703 19:29:39<+discordbot1> U eont learn anything if u just reload every turn lol 20180703 19:39:16<+discordbot1> Oh, by the way, i solved the keyboard problem 20180703 19:40:01<+discordbot1> So everything's good with the game 😎 20180703 19:57:07-!- DasBrain [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 20:02:54-!- gfgtdf [~gfgtdf@134.76.63.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180703 20:23:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 20:29:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180703 20:59:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 21:10:46-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED151C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 21:45:02-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 21:51:31-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 22:12:40-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 22:13:07-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 22:21:19-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.147.211] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 22:26:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 22:27:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 22:35:34-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED151C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180703 22:36:06<+discordbot1> How do you guys feel when a scenario's objective suddenly changes? Most of the time it's used as a plot device, but for instance it changes from "Kill all enemy leaders" to "Leader must reach X"? 20180703 22:36:45<+discordbot1> I noticed earlier Ravana said, and I hope I didn't misunderstand, they they might saveload in the case of an objective change 20180703 22:37:10<+discordbot1> and thinking about it, I commonly would too 20180703 22:37:41<+discordbot1> I'm guilty of changing scenario objectives all the time 🤔 20180703 22:38:04<+discordbot1> I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I think it spices up the scenario quite a bit 20180703 22:38:08< Ravana_> no, that was just when I decide best way to avoid randomness is to just make enemy unable to attack 20180703 22:38:12< Ravana_> nothing to do with objectives 20180703 22:39:18<+discordbot1> When presented with scenarios like this, do you guys often saveload? 20180703 22:39:26<+discordbot1> no 20180703 22:39:56<+discordbot1> Or perhaps restart the scenario 20180703 22:40:00<+discordbot1> with the knowledge the objective changes 20180703 22:40:05<+discordbot1> And re-adjust your strategy? 20180703 22:40:08<+discordbot1> having played enough campaigns 20180703 22:40:33<+discordbot1> it's usually easy enough for me to tell what the point of the scenario is, so basically if the objective will actually change 20180703 22:40:53<+discordbot1> or at least, I'm prepared for a situation that's worse than what's first presented 20180703 22:41:36<+discordbot1> of course, not every campaign will throw you that many tomatoes, but something like AtS is often times a tomato garden 😂 20180703 22:41:55<+discordbot1> so after playing that, you kinda learn to be prepared for anything 20180703 22:44:25<+discordbot1> I like tomatoes in certain amounts. 20180703 22:44:57<+discordbot1> Beats playing 10 scenarios of doing the exact same thing over and over in different configurations, which is pretty much what most of mainline feels like. 20180703 22:45:20<+discordbot1> Yes I am playing through a lot of mainline right now and I agree with that sentiment 20180703 22:46:20<+discordbot1> Perhaps I'm just not adaptive enough. Often, when thrown "tomatoes" 😄 I will have already initiated a strategy that's meant for what the previous objective was, if it wasn't obvious there would be a change 20180703 22:46:37<+discordbot1> So I restart the mission, which I'm not saying is a good thing 20180703 22:46:50<+discordbot1> well then again 20180703 22:47:01<+discordbot1> if AtS is a tomato garden 20180703 22:47:06<+discordbot1> I might be growing a tomato forest 🤔 20180703 22:47:11<+discordbot1> maybe 20180703 22:47:12<+discordbot1> :run: 20180703 22:47:31<+discordbot1> as far as I can remember 20180703 22:47:39<+discordbot1> the vast majority of mainline scenarios are just defeat enemy leader 20180703 22:47:48<+discordbot1> even in expert level campaigns 20180703 22:48:30<+discordbot1> even UtBS is guilty of that, although it tends to present defeating enemy leaders in a more interesting manner 20180703 22:49:04<+discordbot1> UTBS was very fun and interesting 20180703 22:49:31<+discordbot1> then you'll probably like playing Invasion from the Unknown, if you haven't already 20180703 22:49:41<+discordbot1> yeah 20180703 22:49:56<+discordbot1> IFTU in terms of mindset is similar to UTBS 20180703 22:50:13<+discordbot1> is it available on 1.14? 20180703 22:50:14<+discordbot1> objectives changing, difficulty, dungeon crawling 20180703 22:50:15<+discordbot1> yep 20180703 22:50:20<+discordbot1> shadowm recently ported it 20180703 22:50:31<+discordbot1> the sequel (After The Storm) isnt yet ported though 20180703 22:50:41<+discordbot1> in the meantime you can try out the prequel, Genesis 20180703 22:50:53<+discordbot1> which, trust me, plays quite a bit differently 20180703 22:50:53<+discordbot1> 3 campaigns? what ha 20180703 22:51:13<+discordbot1> yeah, if i recall correctly it's what shadowm reffers to as Project Ethea 20180703 22:51:15<+discordbot1> 3 campaigns with more than 1 episode each 20180703 22:51:21<+discordbot1> I thought UtBS is the prequel? 20180703 22:51:24<+discordbot1> first it was just Invasion from the Unknown and its sequel After The Storm 20180703 22:51:42<+discordbot1> them Yumi made a fan-made prequel to that and pretty much the entirety of mainline Wesnoth called Genesis 20180703 22:51:56<+discordbot1> well, so the thing about Genesis is that it's really a tomato forest 20180703 22:52:11<+discordbot1> also in terms of prequels im not counting mainline 20180703 22:52:24<+discordbot1> but yeah, 2 mainline campaigns are prequels, specifically UTBS and DiD 20180703 22:52:35<+discordbot1> I think I've played After the Storm when I was younger. It's a different unit set/era than default, right? 20180703 22:52:37<+discordbot1> (especially UTBS, DiD is only important if you need to be familiar with a specific character from IFTU and ATS) 20180703 22:52:48<+discordbot1> yes, AtS uses a different unit set 20180703 22:52:52<+discordbot1> i havent played much of ATS before switching to 1.14 20180703 22:52:53<+discordbot1> although it does incorporate some default units 20180703 22:52:55<+discordbot1> so idk 20180703 22:53:02<+discordbot1> yeah from what ive seen it does use a few default units 20180703 22:53:15<+discordbot1> it does have a lot of new units though judging by the files, more so than even IFTU 20180703 22:53:28<+discordbot1> those are mostly special units 20180703 22:53:41<+discordbot1> which I won't describe in detail because those are spoilers 20180703 22:53:57-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 22:54:03<+discordbot1> wait... are you saying Malin Keshar apears in Ethea? 20180703 22:54:08<+discordbot1> yes 20180703 22:54:10<+discordbot1> mhm 20180703 22:54:21<+discordbot1> that's why DiD is counted as a prequel 20180703 22:54:24<+discordbot1> huh. I thought he died in DiD 20180703 22:54:26<+discordbot1> no 20180703 22:54:28<+discordbot1> he became a Lich 20180703 22:54:42<+discordbot1> he's undead 20180703 22:54:52<+discordbot1> hmm, I guess it depends on how you want to read the last scenario 20180703 22:54:56<+discordbot1> actually, to be exact, it's left up in the air whether or not he died 20180703 22:54:59<+discordbot1> yup 20180703 22:55:05<+discordbot1> he can continue killing anyone who tries to invade his dungeon, or well, gets killed 20180703 22:55:15<+discordbot1> so yeah, i dont think it's confirmed whether or not Malin is dead 20180703 22:56:16<+discordbot1> Malin doesnt appear in Genesis though, since it takes place before even the mainline campaigns 20180703 22:56:30<+discordbot1> I think you can only end DiD if you die... so, maybe some more tweak to DiD's ending wouldn't be bad 20180703 22:56:36<+discordbot1> "Occasionally a hero attempts to vanquish the lich named Mal Keshar in his mountain lair. None prevail. Eventually one will." 20180703 22:56:39<+discordbot1> 🤔 20180703 22:56:44<+discordbot1> well, Anlinde sorta did? 20180703 22:56:47<+discordbot1> though she kept him alive 20180703 22:56:56<+discordbot1> oh wait 20180703 22:57:06<+discordbot1> (deleted because spoilers) 20180703 22:57:17<+discordbot1> (you probs saw it already but still) 20180703 22:57:19<+discordbot1> meh, that's the 3rd scenario 20180703 22:57:43<+discordbot1> but yeah, if you want to try Project Ethea out, then play IFTU, play Genesis (Genesis is a fan-made prequel to pretty much the entirety of mainline Wesnoth and shadowm's campaigns) since it may take a while for ATS to get ported, then ATS once it gets ported 20180703 22:57:58<+discordbot1> expect UTBS-levels of difficulty though, so be ready 20180703 22:58:12<+discordbot1> also changing objectives, and, for Genesis, it does play a bit differently 20180703 22:58:22<+discordbot1> and don't play Genesis on hard 20180703 22:58:25<+discordbot1> it focuses more on your hero characters (though you still need standard units) 20180703 22:58:41<+discordbot1> unless you are confident in your skills 20180703 22:59:15<+discordbot1> yeah, i have heard the campaign can be really hard on later difficulties 20180703 22:59:25<+discordbot1> i find it a bit hard myself at times, even on easy 20180703 22:59:33<+discordbot1> though i do suck at Wesnoth 20180703 22:59:36<+discordbot1> soo yeah 20180703 22:59:38<+discordbot1> I wanted to play UtBs sometime... I think Ethea is a too bing (loon) thing for me 20180703 22:59:49<+discordbot1> play UTBS then 20180703 23:00:10<+discordbot1> it is recommended to play it in order to understand some of the stuff that happens in Ethea 20180703 23:00:17<+discordbot1> I was having trouble towards the end with UtBS 20180703 23:00:24<+discordbot1> I'm not the best player by any means 20180703 23:00:34<+discordbot1> yeah, same here, thankfully i did have helpful units 20180703 23:00:55<+discordbot1> last mission wasnt that hard though once i understood what i needed to do 20180703 23:01:11<+discordbot1> its the 2nd to last one that can be tricky, as well as a few other ones 20180703 23:01:50<+discordbot1> erm, so its clear 20180703 23:02:08<+discordbot1> campaign requirements: for Invasion from the Unknown, you should play Under the Burning Suns first 20180703 23:02:16<+discordbot1> Descent into Darkness is recommended, but not necessary 20180703 23:02:25<+discordbot1> when After the Storm is ported, you need to play all the aforementioned before playing that 20180703 23:02:32<+discordbot1> yeah, if youre aware of who Malin Keshar is at least, you dont need to play DiD 20180703 23:02:43<+discordbot1> Genesis does not have any prerequisites, but it is probably harder than all of the others 20180703 23:02:57<+discordbot1> well, actually easy mode should be fine 20180703 23:03:08<+discordbot1> yeah, there are some hard parts but nothing too much 20180703 23:03:25<+discordbot1> though for these campaigns i got 3 words: EXPECT THE UNEXPECTABLE 20180703 23:03:27<+discordbot1> but I don't have any feedback on that ever since I added some helpful things for the player, so hard for me to say 20180703 23:03:33<+discordbot1> they love to switch objectives 20180703 23:03:40<+discordbot1> (not that its a bad thing, but just saying) 20180703 23:06:10<+discordbot1> imo, they're fun 20180703 23:06:49<+discordbot1> i played a lot of IFTU (got stuck on one of the last missions because i recklessly lost my Necromancers to some really powerful enemies in an earlier mission), a little bit of ATS, and i am focusing on Genesis at the moment 20180703 23:06:58<+discordbot1> and despite the difficulty, theyre very fun 20180703 23:07:16<+discordbot1> and go quite in-depth regarding lore, good lore too, even if its fanmade stuff, you can easily consider it canon if you want to 20180703 23:32:08-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180703 23:32:36-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 23:39:35-!- louis94 [~~louis94@186.131-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180703 23:49:19-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 23:54:45<+discordbot1> You should also try The Legend of immortals 20180703 23:55:06<+discordbot1> (i think thats the name, nor sure Rho) 20180703 23:55:13<+discordbot1> *tho 20180703 23:55:30<+discordbot1> immortals -> invincibles? 20180703 23:55:39<+discordbot1> Yeah invincibles 20180703 23:55:43<+discordbot1> Thats the one 20180703 23:55:52<+discordbot1> I finished it a year ago 20180703 23:55:59<+discordbot1> Its a lor of fun 20180703 23:56:37<+discordbot1> But at some point u have to stop for a while 20180703 23:57:59-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180703 23:59:57<+discordbot1> In pretty sure that theres also Mal Keshar --- Log closed Wed Jul 04 00:00:05 2018