--- Log opened Tue Jul 17 00:00:37 2018 20180717 00:04:54-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180717 00:06:04<+discordbot1> For those of you who said they might be interesting in trying it out, I've got my first 3 scenarios ready. I'm open to all feedback. https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48482 20180717 00:07:41-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180717 00:46:27<+discordbot1> nagas are too dumb to use bows 20180717 00:51:29<+discordbot1> xD 20180717 01:03:53<+discordbot1> Different Crimson every day. 20180717 01:04:20<+discordbot1> Or rather Conure? 20180717 01:05:51<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar I'm so sorry... but i'm confused what you mean? xPP 20180717 01:06:12<+discordbot1> Your porfile picture. 20180717 01:06:13<+discordbot1> hehe both names are perfectly fine!! You are sweet anyways :)) 20180717 01:06:26<+discordbot1> Ahhh xP yeah I get bored of my pictures easily... 20180717 01:06:38<+discordbot1> and also it is for other discord servers sometimes 20180717 01:07:09<+discordbot1> What will be tomorrow? Heck what will be today? 20180717 01:07:39<+discordbot1> I don't know.. xP maybe I will take another plague doctor mask shoot xP 20180717 01:08:22<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ–ค ๐Ÿ’› I cant wait to wear it everyday my next school year :)) its very calming 20180717 01:09:21<+discordbot1> For you only xP 20180717 01:10:22<+discordbot1> Yeah i'm so fortunate to be able to wear it... since they didnt allow me at first 20180717 01:10:31<+discordbot1> for understandable reasons... I guess it is kind of weird 20180717 01:10:53<+discordbot1> and scary almost but... I would never have any bad intentions to do anything like that.. :) 20180717 01:12:07<+discordbot1> I like to wear one-eye dressing. Its cool. And edgy. ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180717 01:12:20<+discordbot1> Ooh I don't know what that is 20180717 01:12:22<+discordbot1> like an eyepatch? 20180717 01:13:28<+discordbot1> Something like that but with gauze on it and its white. 20180717 01:13:41<+discordbot1> :) 20180717 01:16:36<+discordbot1> xPP well 20180717 01:16:44<+discordbot1> here is a way I dressed to school occasionally 20180717 01:16:51<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468586846276812820/pirate_2.jpg 20180717 01:17:01<+discordbot1> Thats me xD from like 2 years ago I beleive 20180717 01:17:28<+discordbot1> bleh... crappy eyepatch XD 20180717 01:18:50<+discordbot1> Arrr wherrrrrre is thrrre parrrot? 20180717 01:19:41<+discordbot1> Hehe good question!! 20180717 01:20:17<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468587708088975370/image.jpg 20180717 01:20:31<+discordbot1> Lol dont worry I don't give my bird ice cream, I just happened to have it out xP 20180717 01:20:36<+discordbot1> Arrrra? 20180717 01:20:39<+discordbot1> that would kill any bird.. chocolate bad.. avocado bad.. 20180717 01:20:44<+discordbot1> *is bad and *is bad 20180717 01:20:53<+discordbot1> For dogs too. 20180717 01:20:56<+discordbot1> yeah 20180717 01:20:59<+discordbot1> Sea dogs. 20180717 01:21:01<+discordbot1> :thonk: 20180717 01:21:17<+discordbot1> :thonk: 20180717 01:21:32<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar Hmm was it like a monocle? 20180717 01:23:01<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468588400589537291/pobrany_plik.jpg 20180717 01:23:07<+discordbot1> Something like that 20180717 01:23:30<+discordbot1> ahhhh I see!!! cool :)) 20180717 01:24:59<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป 20180717 01:25:37<+discordbot1> I also want to build a callus so i walk barefoot to school and in public sometimes 20180717 01:27:23<+discordbot1> What is callus? :thonk: 20180717 01:27:37<+discordbot1> Translating doesnt help. 20180717 01:27:48<+discordbot1> It makes things even worse xD 20180717 01:28:05<+discordbot1> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalus 20180717 01:29:10-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 01:29:42<+discordbot1> Oh!! sorry for the confusion. A callus is a very thick skin that develops from putting a lot of pressure on whatever skin area you're building a callus on 20180717 01:29:52<+discordbot1> and it makes it very hard and stiff and thick 20180717 01:31:26<+discordbot1> Oh that is that, i have it sometines usualy after winter after choping trees or something like that. 20180717 01:31:45<+discordbot1> Ooh :) 20180717 01:31:53<+discordbot1> like on your hands? 20180717 01:31:57<+discordbot1> Yea 20180717 01:32:26<+discordbot1> Hehe thats cool :) xD chopping trees? 20180717 01:34:17<+discordbot1> Yupwood is needed for next winter ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180717 01:34:33<+discordbot1> Ohh. Where are you from again? Poland? 20180717 01:34:54<+discordbot1> Oh yes.. you are :)) I should have remembered better. Sorry about that xP 20180717 01:34:55<+discordbot1> Poland it is. 20180717 01:35:10<+discordbot1> Nah no problem 20180717 01:35:17<+discordbot1> โค ๐Ÿค— 20180717 01:42:32<+discordbot1> You are weird. 20180717 01:48:01<+discordbot1> I'm trying to be socially better, I have been weird and awkward all my life and im just kinda slowly learning more and more about it... Anything I can do to help? :) 20180717 01:48:36<+discordbot1> I am really sorry about that... 20180717 01:49:28<+discordbot1> Why? Adapting to live in harsher environment is a realy good thing. You dont need to be sorry. Everybody has a right to be different. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180717 01:49:57<+discordbot1> well if i bothered someone then i want to stop and change and learn 20180717 01:50:27<+discordbot1> it really makes me sad whenever someone gets hurt in any way... I start crying 20180717 01:50:40<+discordbot1> I dont ever want that on anyone... 20180717 01:53:37<+discordbot1> No-one's been hurt. 20180717 01:53:48<+discordbot1> I just made an observation. 20180717 01:54:09<+discordbot1> shadowm plays MINECRAFT 20180717 01:54:12<+discordbot1> that's my observation 20180717 01:54:29<+discordbot1> Yeah I do. 20180717 01:54:37<+discordbot1> Alright.. I am relieved!! Thank you so much :) 20180717 01:54:38<+discordbot1> i used to play a lot 20180717 01:54:44<+discordbot1> tooooo mch 20180717 01:55:43<+discordbot1> Do you want me to interact with people differently maybe? shadowm. Like any advice? you said I was weird and im worried that you dont like it or something... 20180717 01:55:53<+discordbot1> i am more than willing to learn :) 20180717 01:56:04<+discordbot1> A lot of people including me tend to be cautious of people who obstruct or conceal their face with stuff such as masks etc. 20180717 01:56:18<+discordbot1> Mmm... 20180717 01:56:24<+discordbot1> Us Westeners 20180717 01:56:27<+discordbot1> I make sure that people know who I am though :) 20180717 01:56:41<+discordbot1> Because humans are social creatures and not being able to see people's faces means we're not able to see physical cues for their mood, intentions etc. 20180717 01:56:56<+discordbot1> Which is a huge part of the whole social thing. 20180717 01:57:07<+discordbot1> Very true... Thank you 20180717 01:57:50<+discordbot1> e.g. when people are angry they usually don't tell us "hi I'm angry", you just read that from their face and then you make an informed decision to not approach them -- or if you know them and you know it can have a desirable outcome, do the opposite and approach them. 20180717 01:58:09<+discordbot1> Yeah, that's a huge part why social interaction can't really be taught 20180717 01:58:14<+discordbot1> It just has to be experienced 20180717 01:58:23<+discordbot1> mmm I think I see.. should I not wear masks to school and deal with it? 20180717 01:58:44<+discordbot1> idk that's not for me or anyone else to tell you. 20180717 01:58:50<+discordbot1> I'm just a random stranger on the Internet. ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ 20180717 01:59:26<+discordbot1> But your contributions are important like anybody else's :) 20180717 01:59:33<+discordbot1> i just want to do whats right.. 20180717 01:59:39<+discordbot1> As for the feet thing that's just a personal thing, I'd be terrified of the possibility of stepping on a rusty nail or some other hazardous object. 20180717 01:59:59<+discordbot1> I've made it this far without breaking a single part of my body even once and I'd like to keep that streak. 20180717 02:00:51<+discordbot1> Oooh! Run away, Shadow! It's coming! 20180717 02:00:51<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468597919138971669/4038301-rusty-nail.jpg 20180717 02:01:01<+discordbot1> Really the worst thing I've ever had is my left palm cut open by a cat. 20180717 02:01:24<+discordbot1> ive been almost killed. twice... 20180717 02:01:41<+discordbot1> and it was due to my bad decisions... the streets.. 20180717 02:01:51<+discordbot1> Rusty nails, for some. 20180717 02:01:53<+discordbot1> Oh and an accident with my arm and a dog when I was 3 but I obviously don't remember that. 20180717 02:02:20<+discordbot1> I see plenty of rusty nails here where I live. 20180717 02:02:41<+discordbot1> That's why you've slowly manifested yourself into a shadow 20180717 02:02:49<+discordbot1> First time I fell in a ditch and had to have someone get me out. I was also like homeless and nobody was willing to interact with me 20180717 02:02:49<+discordbot1> Well my gf when she is realy angry sometimes knock my fingers out from the joints. Good that i have quite high pain tolerence. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180717 02:02:58<+discordbot1> e 20180717 02:03:01<+discordbot1> i was stuck in a sink hole kind of a thing 20180717 02:03:18<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜• 20180717 02:04:10<+discordbot1> Getting them back in place is realy easy. :3 My sis once broke my rib. Eh these were fun times. 20180717 02:06:56<+discordbot1> The second time that i almost got killed was from a cougar that like jumped in front of me and got spooked when i was hiking 20180717 02:08:41<+discordbot1> I once almost drowned to death good thing that i didnt breath underwater. 20180717 02:11:03<+discordbot1> oh my 20180717 02:12:23<+discordbot1> That;s nothing. After all those years of not dying why should i be scared of death? ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180717 02:12:36<+discordbot1> :bowman: 20180717 02:14:05<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ›ก 20180717 02:14:30<+discordbot1> Come at me bowman. 20180717 02:14:38<+discordbot1> :thonk: 20180717 02:15:58<+discordbot1> ive been burned and cut before 20180717 02:15:59<+discordbot1> hey Varicks, just started playing your campaign ๐Ÿ˜ƒ I like dwarves, look forward to smashing things with hammers, hehe :bhammer: 20180717 02:16:51<+discordbot1> it would be nice to have some gold carryover info maybe in the objectives, so I know if I should save some gold 20180717 02:17:09<+discordbot1> and it would be cool to have scenario music too! 20180717 02:17:30<+discordbot1> also I don't see why my own side is hidden in the status table 20180717 02:28:26<+discordbot1> Yes, that's next on my to-do list. I wanted to have a base-line for balancing the scenarios, but it's definitely something I should do, and I need to make sure there isn't any gold carryover in the third scenario. 20180717 02:28:31<+discordbot1> or if there is, it's 100% 20180717 02:29:14<+discordbot1> If you have any recommendations for which songs I should put there have at it. Otherwise I'll be looking into it tomorrow 20180717 02:31:20<+discordbot1> hmm, for the first scenario maybe one of the more chill songs, like knolls or wanderer? 20180717 02:31:34<+discordbot1> maybe it could switch to a battle song once you discover the orcs 20180717 02:39:39<+discordbot1> @Yumi do you have a save for right after the stupid saurian assault chapter? 20180717 02:39:45<+discordbot1> i just want to skip this stupid thing 20180717 02:39:48<+discordbot1> its ruining my experience of the game 20180717 02:41:17<+discordbot1> actually @Inky if your'e still alive did you end up beating it? 20180717 02:41:25<+discordbot1> i just want my save right past that chapter if someone happens to have it 20180717 02:41:37<+discordbot1> ah no I didn't since yumi and scar already did 20180717 02:41:46<+discordbot1> you can use debug mode to get past it 20180717 02:41:52<+discordbot1> type : 20180717 02:41:57<+discordbot1> who is scar 20180717 02:41:58<+discordbot1> :debug 20180717 02:42:04<+discordbot1> ping scar please 20180717 02:42:31<+discordbot1> then you can right click any enemy unit and kill it 20180717 02:42:44<+discordbot1> this debug thing would ruin my save though wouldn't it? 20180717 02:42:50<+discordbot1> like i wouldn't get a campaign clear at the end 20180717 02:42:51-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180717 02:42:54<+discordbot1> right? 20180717 02:43:05<+discordbot1> no it won't mess up the save 20180717 02:43:12<+discordbot1> oh in that case i'll give that a shot 20180717 02:43:16<+discordbot1> because this chapter..... yea 20180717 02:43:21<+discordbot1> its in desperate need of a redesign 20180717 02:43:33<+discordbot1> if you just use it for killing enemies/healing your own units 20180717 02:43:34<+discordbot1> i'd raise my eyebrows of that being in an expert level campaign 20180717 02:43:38<+discordbot1> let alone an intermediate one 20180717 02:43:46<+discordbot1> if you skip entire scenarios with it it may mess up your save 20180717 02:43:59<+discordbot1> ok i'll just kill all the enemies with it then 20180717 02:44:11<+discordbot1> it won't fuck up my save if i just kill every unit with it yea? 20180717 02:44:34<+discordbot1> I don't know, would skipping this scenario with :n mess up the save? 20180717 02:44:45<+discordbot1> though i do need to go out of my way to kill every promoted unit that isn't loyal as humanly possible 20180717 02:44:53<+discordbot1> i just plan on killing all but the bosses 20180717 02:45:01<+discordbot1> the scenario calls for killing every unit AND destroying every village 20180717 02:45:08<+discordbot1> how do i turn it off btw? 20180717 02:45:13<+discordbot1> :nodebug 20180717 02:45:17<+discordbot1> kthnxs 20180717 02:51:06-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180717 02:56:00<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468611802696122368/unknown.png 20180717 02:56:07<+discordbot1> yikes, pretty sure this useless ally is dead 20180717 02:56:46<+discordbot1> maybe there could be a second keep so the player can recruit some reinforcements 20180717 02:57:12<+discordbot1> i've got quite a bit of gold but the ally hogs the keep and the starting keep is sooooo far 20180717 02:57:46<+discordbot1> I was thinking about that 20180717 02:57:49<+discordbot1> i did spend all my gold at the beginning, that gold was from income 20180717 02:58:52<+discordbot1> Do you think the keep should be available next to the ally, or like mid-way? 20180717 02:59:15< mattsc> If thatโ€™s the passive leader, you could make him share the keep. 20180717 02:59:23<+discordbot1> I was thinking of an old encampment about where you're skirmishing with the wolves 20180717 03:00:03<+discordbot1> It's a 0-max move leader 20180717 03:00:05<+discordbot1> i think both those options (next to ally or midway) would work 20180717 03:00:33<+discordbot1> Yeah, I don't want to punish the player for seeking out villages 20180717 03:00:33<+discordbot1> currently you're kind of stuck wiht your starting army 20180717 03:01:08<+discordbot1> The ally is at a major disadvantage as both Orcs go before it 20180717 03:07:56<+discordbot1> ah, the ally tragically died 20180717 03:08:45<+discordbot1> maybe there could be some better terrain surrounding the leader where you can stick your dwarves? right now they have to go on grassland to defend the ally 20180717 03:08:58<+discordbot1> where they get an amazing 30% def 20180717 03:09:10<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180717 03:09:31<+discordbot1> Hmm 20180717 03:09:41<+discordbot1> I'll make some changes and how about you give it another go tomorrow? 20180717 03:09:48<+discordbot1> sure ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180717 03:19:07<+discordbot1> @Varicks I want to try your campaigns!! How do I find them? 20180717 03:19:11<+discordbot1> I havent been paying much attention sorry 20180717 03:20:04< celticminstrel> Suddenly forum went down. o.o 20180717 03:20:28< celticminstrel> Or really, the whole website. 20180717 03:21:05< celticminstrel> https://status.wesnoth.org. 20180717 03:21:08< celticminstrel> https://status.wesnoth.org/ 20180717 03:21:15<+discordbot1> uhhh... 20180717 03:21:17<+discordbot1> hehe :) 20180717 03:21:34< celticminstrel> (status.wesnoth.org is on a separate server so it works, everything else is down) 20180717 03:22:56<+discordbot1> I was upgrading parts of it. 20180717 03:23:21<+discordbot1> Didn't expect it to be down for longer than 1 minute. 20180717 03:24:16< celticminstrel> Ah. 20180717 03:24:34< celticminstrel> Probably wouldn't've noticed if I wasn't browsing the forums. 20180717 03:27:20< Polsaker> status.wesnoth.org is throwing error 400 for me now 20180717 03:27:54< Polsaker> oh nvm it was the first link that celmin sent with a dot at the end 20180717 03:28:22< celticminstrel> Yeah sorry, that's why I posted it twice. 20180717 03:28:29< celticminstrel> Because the first one was wrong. 20180717 03:29:07< Polsaker> i thought it would fail more gracefully with a dot there 20180717 03:29:50<+discordbot1> That's actually a graceful failure. 20180717 03:30:02<+discordbot1> An ungraceful failure in this case would be a 5xx error. 20180717 03:30:15< celticminstrel> Or a DNS error. 20180717 03:30:24<+discordbot1> I'm off to sleep 20180717 03:30:27<+discordbot1> That'd be beyond the web server's jurisdiction. 20180717 03:30:28<+discordbot1> Good night friends 20180717 03:30:33< celticminstrel> True true 20180717 03:30:51< Polsaker> well, dns-wise wesnoth.org and wesnoth.org. are the same 20180717 03:30:58< celticminstrel> The dot one works for me, I think because my client is slightly smart about excluding a final dot. 20180717 03:31:04<+discordbot1> The dot is in the web server request. 20180717 03:31:16<+discordbot1> Crimson the download is available via the forums, but unfortunately there are some balance changes I have to make to the first scenario 20180717 03:31:27<+discordbot1> http://foo.bar/. is requesting /. from foo.bar on port 80. 20180717 03:31:56< Polsaker> but what celmin's link did was to make my browser request / from foo.bar. on port 80 20180717 03:32:18< Polsaker> on the DNS part foo.bar and foo.bar. are the same thing 20180717 03:32:21<+discordbot1> Then your browser is on drugs. 20180717 03:32:29< Polsaker> that's how DNS works shadowm 20180717 03:32:32<+discordbot1> Because I clearly see a slash on my end. 20180717 03:32:33<+discordbot1> :run: 20180717 03:32:42< Polsaker> try using dig to resolve any domain and then append a dot at the end 20180717 03:32:52<+discordbot1> It's not supposed to append a dot. 20180717 03:33:16<+discordbot1> Everything starting from the first slash is the resource requested from the web server and it's not supposed to be considered part of the hostname. 20180717 03:33:28< Polsaker> the null bit on the domain name supposedly represents the root nameservers 20180717 03:33:29-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180717 03:34:04<+discordbot1> Again, there is a slash before the dot. 20180717 03:34:07< Polsaker> @shadowm well, I visited https://wesnoth.org. and my browser requested / on wesnoth.org. over https 20180717 03:34:11< Polsaker> that's expected behavior for me 20180717 03:34:38<+discordbot1> Oh wait, Discord added the slash. 20180717 03:34:46<+discordbot1> The original IRC line doesn't have a slash, my bad. 20180717 03:35:10< Polsaker> it's a nice little quirk of DNS 20180717 03:35:29<+discordbot1> (If you don't get what I mean) 20180717 03:35:31<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/468621746346393631/unknown.png 20180717 03:36:10< celticminstrel> That seems rather worse than what my client does. 20180717 03:36:22<+discordbot1> It's not exactly invalid. 20180717 03:36:30< celticminstrel> It formats it as a link but excluding the final dot. 20180717 03:36:33<+discordbot1> I prefer to see trailing slashes after hostnames for aesthetic reasons. 20180717 03:36:45< Polsaker> well my client formatted it including the dot 20180717 03:36:48< Polsaker> it's a bit silly 20180717 03:36:50< celticminstrel> Yeah. 20180717 03:47:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 03:47:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 04:03:34-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180717 04:12:53<+discordbot1> welp theres legend of wesmere beaten 20180717 04:13:01<+discordbot1> how terribly difficult is the expert elf campaign? 20180717 04:13:03<+discordbot1> i'm very afraid 20180717 04:13:50<+discordbot1> oh, sidenote, a bit of a "bug" i suppose, though its not gamebreaking 20180717 04:14:21<+discordbot1> when you beat the campaign the game over message for losing one of your commanders plays, you still win and you still get to end the scenario and beat the campaign 20180717 04:14:38<+discordbot1> but it looks really silly, so maybe change up some code so a certain someone isn't technically counted as an essential anymore? 20180717 04:19:08<+discordbot1> in regards to the actual campaign missions the only one i truly find "unreasonable" is the costly revenge one, i have a couple suggestions to fix it up 20180717 04:19:59<+discordbot1> either 1. have your slyphs and woses recruitable again, 2. simplify their AI so they'll attack you indiscriminantly, or 3. greatly reduce the strength of the units they recruit, like have them recruit far less augurs and oracles and more footsoldiers 20180717 04:20:13<+discordbot1> i think 1 is the easiest fix to apply, though it doesn't make as much sense storywise 20180717 04:24:02<+discordbot1> Which one is the expert elf campaign? 20180717 04:50:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180717 05:19:18<+discordbot1> UtBS I gues? 20180717 06:51:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 06:53:31-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 07:02:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 07:02:32<+discordbot1> I still need to play that campaign :) 20180717 07:13:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 07:25:07-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 07:45:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180717 07:56:28-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180717 08:22:38-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 08:41:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 08:41:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 08:51:49<+discordbot1> why were the black slots removed from the top bar (behind the icons and numbers)? 20180717 08:51:55<+discordbot1> i thought they were nice 20180717 08:59:53<+discordbot1> Someone thought they weren't nice. 20180717 09:00:43<+discordbot1> Someone, my ancient nemesis - curse you and your plots. 20180717 09:01:25<+discordbot1> it was me 20180717 09:02:18<+discordbot1> although as ive said before i think the ingame panels look ugly anyway 20180717 09:02:40<+discordbot1> so perhaps making them slightly uglier is a good thing, as it encourages replacement 20180717 09:03:32<+discordbot1> a replacement is planned 20180717 09:03:44<+discordbot1> what, really? 20180717 09:04:00<+discordbot1> by who (artist)? 20180717 09:04:03<+discordbot1> yes. assuming i ever get event handling sorted, 1.15 will get a brand new in-game UI 20180717 09:07:12<+discordbot1> @blarumyrran the panels wouldn't just be replaced. I'm envisioning something along the lines of this (mockup) but I'm stuck https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/446323300885594152/wesnoth_new_UI_mockup_V2.JPG 20180717 09:07:30<+discordbot1> very nice 20180717 09:08:27<+discordbot1> i honestly don't know if i currently have the time or the skill to fix the event handling issue in master without making a huge hacky mess. 20180717 09:09:25<+discordbot1> ive stared at it for months and i can't find a solution 20180717 09:09:55<+discordbot1> i know conceptually what needs to be done but not not to actually make it happen 20180717 09:09:57<+discordbot1> code-wise 20180717 09:10:26<+discordbot1> @shadowm you remade the site ui yes? but it is not clear if the top right search bar is for the forums or for all of wesnoth.org, since it is next to "Home, News, " etc 20180717 09:10:38<+discordbot1> ofc one search clears that up, but still 20180717 09:10:52<+discordbot1> I am aware. 20180717 09:36:43-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 09:52:32-!- Appleman1234_ [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 09:53:05-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180717 10:06:34<+discordbot1> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/master/data/campaigns some campaign directory names start with The, some without article, and one starts with An 20180717 10:10:58<+discordbot1> (there should probably be a standard?) 20180717 10:12:56<+discordbot1> also: both SoF and SotA use the dwarf miner. the dwarf miner has animations, wouldnt it make sense to move him mainline? 20180717 10:13:00<+discordbot1> to core* 20180717 10:14:34<+discordbot1> Elvish Lady had no animations at all, but is in core 20180717 10:19:47< zookeeper> there's not really any benefit to standardizing those AFAICT. lots of hassle though, plus the current abbreviations are very well established anyway. 20180717 10:20:53-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180717 10:21:01<+discordbot1> The Elvish Lady is a prop, not a combat unit. 20180717 10:21:44<+discordbot1> Making animations for her is pointless as long as she isn't fleshed out (noting that the Elvish Sylph tends to be better suited for her role in combat situations). 20180717 10:22:12<+discordbot1> i know; but all unit sprites can serve as props, of course 20180717 10:22:35<+discordbot1> so that could be used as argument for whoever 20180717 10:24:36<+discordbot1> ... 20180717 10:24:53<+discordbot1> Look, I know you're intelligent enough to realize that she doesn't even have attacks. 20180717 10:24:58<+discordbot1> yes 20180717 10:25:26<+discordbot1> no defense though 20180717 10:25:42<+discordbot1> Because she's not supposed to participate in fights because she doesn't have attacks. 20180717 10:25:50<+discordbot1> and again, you can use any unit in a situation where they will not engage in combat 20180717 10:26:06<+discordbot1> so you could use the exact same line for a limited usecase of any unit 20180717 10:26:13<+discordbot1> I had hoped after all these years you'd stop being a smartass but I see I was too optimistic. 20180717 10:26:18<+discordbot1> yes 20180717 10:26:28<+discordbot1> im not being purposefully obtuse here though 20180717 10:26:33<+discordbot1> Yes you are. 20180717 10:26:51<+discordbot1> You pointed out she doesn't have animations, I pointed out why making animations for her is pointless. 20180717 10:27:15<+discordbot1> And now you're basically debating semantics. 20180717 10:27:26<+discordbot1> my point was that the usual argument against including units in core is that they do not have animations 20180717 10:27:40<+discordbot1> That hasn't been "the usual argument" in 8 years. 20180717 10:27:44<+discordbot1> oh 20180717 10:27:50<+discordbot1> I don't know if it ever was in the first place. 20180717 10:28:11<+discordbot1> Units have always been included in core based on whether a number of mainline campaigns use them, or are part of the Default era. 20180717 10:28:28<+discordbot1> ok; so the miner is in 2 mainline campaigns right now 20180717 10:28:30<+discordbot1> (Or Default+Dunefolk if you want to be a pedant.) 20180717 10:28:39<+discordbot1> its image files are duplicated in 2 folder 20180717 10:28:45<+discordbot1> It's actually been suggested to be promoted to core before. 20180717 10:37:08-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:c8b1:c642:a999:f4b9] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 10:59:20<+discordbot1> deep-tentacle-attack.png and deep-tentacle-defend.png should be removed from https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/master/data/core/images/units/monsters 20180717 10:59:34-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 11:00:38<+discordbot1> the new tentacle's anims are deep-tentacle-attack , which are right next to them 20180717 11:19:42-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 11:23:51-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180717 11:25:47-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 11:35:50<+discordbot1> what's the hardest campaign in the base game? 20180717 11:59:29-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180717 12:13:58-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 12:17:15-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 12:25:22<+discordbot1> also is it worth playing the to lands unknown on the badass difficulty? what does it change? 20180717 12:25:50< Ravana_> play it that way after you have played normally 20180717 12:26:13<+discordbot1> yeah I completed the normal one a week ago 20180717 12:27:35< Ravana_> I haven't played badass mode yet, but been planning to 20180717 12:30:10-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 12:32:06<+discordbot1> I will try it out later, not sure what to expect 20180717 12:32:27<+discordbot1> started playing legend of the invincibles now 20180717 12:32:39<+discordbot1> my character made some chick strip so that's nice :d 20180717 12:34:35-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 12:49:37-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180717 14:43:03-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 14:49:20-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180717 14:57:41<+discordbot1> GOGOGO LEGEND OF INVINCIBLES 20180717 15:14:45-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180717 15:15:40-!- Jordys [~Jordys@160.154.136.81] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 15:36:01-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x55b3cd33.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 15:38:06-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 15:38:20-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20180717 16:10:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 16:10:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 16:22:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 16:22:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 16:39:52<+discordbot1> @Silver Badass is fun and different. 20180717 16:43:02-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 17:00:23<+discordbot1> jeebus im dumb 20180717 17:00:30<+discordbot1> im headed out for my run but i forgot what mods are good 20180717 17:00:34<+discordbot1> even though youve told me like8x timesn ow 20180717 17:00:35<+discordbot1> lmao 20180717 17:01:15<+discordbot1> lol 20180717 17:01:37<+discordbot1> @Hyperwolf72 Invasion from the Unknown, Bad Moon Rising, The Library of Kratemaqht (haven't played this one in forever) 20180717 17:02:15<+discordbot1> ooze mini campaign and elvish dynasty rpg are also pretty short and fun, but not as story focused as you might like 20180717 17:03:47<+discordbot1> I've actually gone back a few versions (Well, more than a few) and played Altaz Marineers, if anyone remembers it 20180717 17:03:54<+discordbot1> Fortunately I hear Bob is working on porting it ๐Ÿ˜‰ 20180717 17:07:34<+discordbot1> would be nice to see that one agian 20180717 17:07:35<+discordbot1> again 20180717 17:14:53<+discordbot1> oh yeah, there's also strange legacy 20180717 17:14:59<+discordbot1> I've heard good things about it 20180717 17:27:26-!- Jordan_Eodys [~Jordys@160.154.136.81] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 17:29:04-!- Jordys [~Jordys@160.154.136.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180717 17:39:45-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180717 17:48:37-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180717 17:51:50-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@45.63.78.126] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:06:50-!- Jordis [~Jordys@154.68.4.229] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:09:49-!- Jordan_Eodys [~Jordys@160.154.136.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180717 18:12:24-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180717 18:29:53-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180717 18:30:12-!- HeyCitizen [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-03-67-68-202-204.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:34:28-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:44:04<+discordbot1> Yumi 20180717 18:44:06<+discordbot1> You here? 20180717 18:44:15<+discordbot1> @Yumi 20180717 18:44:53<+discordbot1> yah 20180717 18:45:47<+discordbot1> I remember reading somewhere there's a sequel or prequel to 20180717 18:45:51<+discordbot1> Invasion from the Unknown 20180717 18:46:10<+discordbot1> Genesis is the prequel, it's my campaign 20180717 18:46:19<+discordbot1> After the Storm is the sequel, shadowm is working on porting it to 1.14 20180717 18:46:31<+discordbot1> So shouldn't I play Genesis first? 20180717 18:46:35<+discordbot1> no 20180717 18:47:03<+discordbot1> it's a prequel that takes place very far in the past 20180717 18:47:27<+discordbot1> like, there's some lore covered in IftU and AtS about legendary people from the past universe 20180717 18:47:31<+discordbot1> Genesis covers that lore 20180717 18:47:49<+discordbot1> you can choose to play it first 20180717 18:48:00<+discordbot1> however it's harder than both IftU and AtS 20180717 18:48:42<+discordbot1> (or maybe not ever since I made it easier? ๐Ÿค”) 20180717 18:49:02<+discordbot1> that just means these two campaigns are easy .P 20180717 18:49:10-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:49:19<+discordbot1> I significantly reduced the difficulty on all modes in Genesis from the originals 20180717 18:49:40<+discordbot1> but to put things in perspective, generally on hard mode, enemies spawn 2-2.5x more than on easy mode 20180717 18:49:48<+discordbot1> and spawns will be for higher level units than on easy mode 20180717 18:50:20<+discordbot1> and you get maybe 50-66% amount of gold, so it's about 4-5x harder on hard mode if you want to think of it that way 20180717 18:50:35<+discordbot1> anyway 20180717 18:50:42<+discordbot1> I still recommend playing IftU first 20180717 18:51:35<+discordbot1> I tried playing invasion but once I got into that wide desert map it put me to sleep.. 20180717 18:51:44<+discordbot1> very tedious scenario, didn't finish it yet 20180717 18:52:09<+discordbot1> reason I recommend IftU first is that it's the one most similar to the mainline campaigns 20180717 18:52:35<+discordbot1> it has a mechanic similar to one burning suns scenario, you gotta stick your units to a healer 20180717 18:52:40<+discordbot1> but to each their own 20180717 18:52:45<+discordbot1> I don't like that 20180717 18:52:46<+discordbot1> if you want to play Genesis first, you can certainly do that 20180717 18:53:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180717 18:53:42<+discordbot1> @Hyperwolf72 (I neglected to mention that you should finish UtBS before trying IftU) 20180717 18:53:50<+discordbot1> Descent into Darkness is also recommended 20180717 18:54:20-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 18:54:33-!- HeyCitizen [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-03-67-68-202-204.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.0 - https://znc.in] 20180717 18:57:10-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 19:01:42<+discordbot1> wait 20180717 19:01:47<+discordbot1> am i stuck with elves for the entire campaign 20180717 19:01:52<+discordbot1> or do i get cool elves aswell 20180717 19:01:58<+discordbot1> which campaign 20180717 19:02:03<+discordbot1> Invasion 20180717 19:02:14<+discordbot1> you get a fair amount of different units 20180717 19:02:17<+discordbot1> ah ok 20180717 19:02:22<+discordbot1> elves are like my least favourite faction 20180717 19:02:25<+discordbot1> Sand Elves were neato 20180717 19:02:27<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180717 19:02:48<+discordbot1> any reason you don't like them? 20180717 19:02:54<+discordbot1> I don't really know. 20180717 19:03:01<+discordbot1> They don't have that wow factor to me. 20180717 19:03:20<+discordbot1> Northerners, Dwarves and Loyalists have cool stuff like 20180717 19:03:29<+discordbot1> elves are "safest" Default faction 20180717 19:03:31<+discordbot1> Orcs, Thunderers, Heavy Infantry 20180717 19:03:42<+discordbot1> Elves have 20180717 19:03:45<+discordbot1> elves with swords and bows 20180717 19:03:50<+discordbot1> elves with bows and swords 20180717 19:04:02<+discordbot1> but woses ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180717 19:04:08<+discordbot1> yeah, that makes them a good newbie faction though! 20180717 19:04:17<+discordbot1> big tree with big dmg 20180717 19:07:08<+discordbot1> Big trees burn well 20180717 19:07:23<+discordbot1> elves have a safe water unit, a healer, and the safest basic melee unit (eg Skeleton is weak to many things, and Spearman has the unreliable Pierce damage type); it should be safe to say elves are the most boring faction 20180717 19:07:40<+discordbot1> other factions are made interesting by that they do not have such safe stuff 20180717 19:09:11<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180717 19:09:14<+discordbot1> Green tide is dope 20180717 19:09:23<+discordbot1> well anyway IftU doesn't have only elves 20180717 19:09:28<+discordbot1> they've got other things 20180717 19:09:30<+discordbot1> Thunderers are so good 20180717 19:09:34<+discordbot1> it has* 20180717 19:09:48<+discordbot1> spearmen I actually really like 20180717 19:09:49<+discordbot1> idk why 20180717 19:10:08<+discordbot1> Maybe biased since The South Guard was such a nice campaign in my opinion 20180717 19:10:20<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180717 19:10:26<+discordbot1> i thought south guard was one of the worst 20180717 19:10:39<+discordbot1> (of mainline campaigns) 20180717 19:10:47<+discordbot1> It was fun. 20180717 19:11:04<+discordbot1> And it had quite a nice story to it in my opinion. 20180717 19:11:23<+discordbot1> I prefer shorter scenarios with more event popups and stuff like that 20180717 19:11:31<+discordbot1> and that had quite a lot of those 20180717 19:11:32<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ as far as mainline campaigns go, south guard isn't that bad 20180717 19:11:43<+discordbot1> Starting with the first scenario there where you have to round up the remnants 20180717 19:11:57<+discordbot1> You walk up to a castle and the lad with the halberd pops out 20180717 19:12:34<+discordbot1> huh, I guess you might actually like my campaign then 20180717 19:13:25<+discordbot1> I haven't inherently disliked any campaign so far 20180717 19:13:42<+discordbot1> Some were painful to play sometimes though 20180717 19:22:49<+discordbot1> discord pls 20180717 19:23:53-!- nemaara [23034215@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.3.66.21] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 19:28:36-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20180717 19:29:12-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 19:29:13-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@p579FB6E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 20180717 19:29:13-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 19:51:32<+discordbot1> Hey 20180717 19:51:43<+discordbot1> This campaign seems to be pretty heavily influenced by Warhammer Fantasy 20180717 19:51:48<+discordbot1> Like VERY heavily 20180717 19:52:02<+discordbot1> IftU? 20180717 19:52:06<+discordbot1> Yes 20180717 19:52:06-!- JordiGH [jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 19:52:43<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿคท only shadowm can answer yay or nay to that 20180717 19:52:48< JordiGH> What does Wesnoth do about cheating? 20180717 19:52:54< JordiGH> In multiplayer, I mean. 20180717 19:53:19<+discordbot1> Haha 20180717 19:53:22<+discordbot1> He doesn't need to. 20180717 19:53:29<+discordbot1> I can tell from the baddies. 20180717 19:53:50<+discordbot1> Especially when the enemies had insane gold 20180717 19:53:50<+discordbot1> oh my god 20180717 19:53:51<+discordbot1> the ambient fire sounds 20180717 19:53:51<+discordbot1> are earrape 20180717 19:53:52<+discordbot1> Hey 20180717 19:53:52<+discordbot1> This campaign is heavily influenced by Warhammer, isn't it. 20180717 19:54:14<+discordbot1> the baddies in IftU are actually from an old era that I forgot the name of 20180717 19:54:20<+discordbot1> shadowm didn't make them, just used them 20180717 19:54:46<+discordbot1> Ah. 20180717 19:54:56<+discordbot1> They are warriors of chaos. Literally ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180717 19:55:04<+discordbot1> JordiGH: we rely on user reports and then ban as necessary 20180717 19:55:39<+discordbot1> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/1/1c/Chaos_Warriors_%282%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160715111153 20180717 19:56:02<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k7nukf 20180717 19:56:24<+discordbot1> huh. 20180717 19:56:41<+discordbot1> Atleast this line is. 20180717 19:56:46<+discordbot1> Yes, neoriceisgood's Chaos faction is obviously Warhammer-inspired. 20180717 19:56:51<+discordbot1> yah, quite some resemblance there 20180717 19:56:54<+discordbot1> Haha 20180717 19:56:59<+discordbot1> It ain 20180717 19:57:05<+discordbot1> It ain't a bad thing. I eat Warhammer up 20180717 19:57:31<+discordbot1> Shadow, did you make this campaign? 20180717 19:57:43<+discordbot1> shadowm made IftU 20180717 19:57:50<+discordbot1> WHY DID YOU ADD SO MANY CAMPFIRES 20180717 19:58:02<+discordbot1> to praise the sun 20180717 19:58:08<+discordbot1> ๐ŸŒž 20180717 19:58:31<+discordbot1> [o]/ 20180717 20:00:07<+discordbot1> my poor ears 20180717 20:01:02<+discordbot1> Hmm I thought tree trunks existed as an emblishment. Am I wrong there? 20180717 20:01:26<+discordbot1> there is another contributor to wesnoth named "shadow" 20180717 20:01:32<+discordbot1> although he hasnt been active for very many years (10+?) and im not sure any of his stuff still remains (at one point, his dark adept sprite was the mainline one; it had a style that horribly clashed with everything else though) 20180717 20:02:53<+discordbot1> I'll clarify that I did not make the bulk of the Chaos faction, I just borrowed it from Extended Era back in 2007. 20180717 20:03:34< Ravana_> you can replace/remove data/core/sounds/ambient/campfire.ogg 20180717 20:03:45<+discordbot1> I was terrible at drawing sprites back then so I had to extensively rely on other people's art. 20180717 20:06:28-!- nemaara [23034215@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.3.66.21] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20180717 20:06:29<+discordbot1> can i see this style? 20180717 20:06:30<+discordbot1> test 20180717 20:06:35<+discordbot1> for the dark adept 20180717 20:06:36<+discordbot1> ravana will you ever stop advising people on messy hacks.... 20180717 20:07:25<+discordbot1> I always just turn off sound effects if the ambient noises get screwed up 20180717 20:07:28<+discordbot1> @Hyperwolf72 https://roadie.home.xs4all.nl/wesnoth_units/1.2/Dark_Adept.html 20180717 20:07:54<+discordbot1> dang 20180717 20:07:55<+discordbot1> not too bad, i thought it was more clashing 20180717 20:07:56<+discordbot1> that looks cool af 20180717 20:08:26<+discordbot1> also wth is roadie.home.xs4all.nl 20180717 20:08:40<+discordbot1> you linked it... 20180717 20:09:17<+discordbot1> ah nvm 20180717 20:10:08<+discordbot1> it was a link from https://units.wesnoth.org/ , i was just wondering why they are on some weird place rather than wesnoth.org . but it would be silly to migrate them to wesnoth.org now 20180717 20:10:29<+discordbot1> are all these campaigns like 20180717 20:10:30<+discordbot1> good guys 20180717 20:10:41<+discordbot1> or are there some cool "baddie" campaigns aswell 20180717 20:10:48<+discordbot1> descent into darkness 20180717 20:10:55<+discordbot1> Like Son of the black eye wasnt a "baddie" per se 20180717 20:10:59<+discordbot1> but it was pretty dope 20180717 20:11:29<+discordbot1> iirc Northern Rebirth had a good and evil branch 20180717 20:11:41<+discordbot1> not anymore 20180717 20:11:46<+discordbot1> but it is a horrible campaign and noone should play it 20180717 20:11:58<+discordbot1> until we rework it ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180717 20:12:08<+discordbot1> whenever that happens 20180717 20:12:39<+discordbot1> oh my 20180717 20:12:50<+discordbot1> haldric's sprite hasn't been changed since 1.0 20180717 20:12:59<+discordbot1> ooh 20180717 20:13:13-!- Jordan_Eodys [~Jordys@160.154.136.219] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 20:13:20<+discordbot1> Northern Rebirth was pain 20180717 20:13:36<+discordbot1> so NR is shit? like, both story and difficulty 20180717 20:13:40<+discordbot1> Uh no 20180717 20:13:43<+discordbot1> Story is really nice 20180717 20:13:47<+discordbot1> difficulity uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 20180717 20:13:57<+discordbot1> It's not for me 20180717 20:13:57<+discordbot1> i couldnt get past the first mission lol 20180717 20:13:58<+discordbot1> "difficulty" is not the problem 20180717 20:14:02<+discordbot1> It 20180717 20:14:03<+discordbot1> s 20180717 20:14:04<+discordbot1> tedium is 20180717 20:14:07<+discordbot1> well secrets of the ancients had a pretty evil protagonist 20180717 20:14:24<+discordbot1> oh yaaa 20180717 20:14:29<+discordbot1> I meant non-mainline 20180717 20:14:31<+discordbot1> NR should come with a warning that it may cause carpal tunnel 20180717 20:14:36<+discordbot1> uh isnt SOTA mainline tho? 20180717 20:14:38<+discordbot1> you have a million gold pieces, the enemy has a million gold pieces, you just have to stop paying attention to each of your units or you will go crazy 20180717 20:14:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180717 20:15:00<+discordbot1> northern rebirth is the one you start as peasants? 20180717 20:15:04<+discordbot1> yes 20180717 20:15:06<+discordbot1> yea 20180717 20:15:10<+discordbot1> jesus that campaign was bad 20180717 20:15:14<+discordbot1> took me like a week to finish 20180717 20:15:37<+discordbot1> yeah you just control like 100 units, couldn't be more boring 20180717 20:15:43<+discordbot1> ah 20180717 20:16:00<+discordbot1> and there was that one scenario where 2394893 ghouls randomly spawned out of the swamp 20180717 20:16:01<+discordbot1> either way, uh, in terms of villain-ish mainline campaigns you only have the 2 undead ones 20180717 20:16:07-!- Jordis [~Jordys@154.68.4.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180717 20:16:07<+discordbot1> SOTA and DID 20180717 20:16:09<+discordbot1> and wait what 20180717 20:16:11<+discordbot1> damn 20180717 20:16:20<+discordbot1> (slight exaggeration) 20180717 20:16:31<+discordbot1> fucking 20180717 20:16:42<+discordbot1> the 20180717 20:16:46<+discordbot1> "REINFORCEMENTS" 20180717 20:16:56<+discordbot1> suddenly 400 wolfriders 20180717 20:17:32<+discordbot1> yeah...NR sounds like it focuses more on exposure 20180717 20:17:34<+discordbot1> rather than gameplay 20180717 20:18:15<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿค” 20180717 20:18:30<+discordbot1> interesting, of all the mainline campaigns 20180717 20:18:31<+discordbot1> never got past the first scenario tbh so i cant say 20180717 20:18:38<+discordbot1> the ones where you play as the "baddies" are the undead ones 20180717 20:18:40<+discordbot1> I'd rather describe it as game quitting experience 20180717 20:18:42<+discordbot1> yeah 20180717 20:19:00<+discordbot1> talk about fitting into cliches 20180717 20:19:01<+discordbot1> and to be honest, they only become villains because of persecution and what not 20180717 20:19:10<+discordbot1> and misjudgement 20180717 20:19:36<+discordbot1> anyways, if you want to be the villain just think that whoever you're fightning has a family and kids while yours were never mentioned ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180717 20:19:52<+discordbot1> Malin actually does have a family 20180717 20:19:57<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ”ต 20180717 20:19:57<+discordbot1> (the protagonist of DiD) 20180717 20:20:18<+discordbot1> he has a father who was killed before the campaign, and a sister that he fights in 2 scenarios 20180717 20:20:31<+discordbot1> @Yumi how is that a cliche - that is the point of undeath. otherwise all factions would resurrect their dead and use skeletons for labour - the reason they dont is that it is evil 20180717 20:20:44<+discordbot1> depicting it as a pure evil is exactly a cliche 20180717 20:20:56<+discordbot1> but that is like saying, that dwarfs are short is a cliche 20180717 20:21:03<+discordbot1> I played some legend of the invincibles and they just made ok points 20180717 20:21:18<+discordbot1> never got interested in it enough because of the length 20180717 20:21:23<+discordbot1> not really, "evil" is a subjective quality of a faction 20180717 20:21:24<+discordbot1> like, 200 or so scenarios in total 20180717 20:21:31<+discordbot1> and "short" is a relative, but objective quality 20180717 20:21:33<+discordbot1> PLUS 3 other related campaigns (tho not as long) 20180717 20:21:46<+discordbot1> Hmm, why default era is considered balanced? I mean was there heavier math or just tests and playing? 20180717 20:22:07<+discordbot1> I mean 20180717 20:22:07<+discordbot1> a lot of newbies have proposed (usually very naive) math measuers 20180717 20:22:12<+discordbot1> Not baddies as in evil 20180717 20:22:13<+discordbot1> that's a question for ladder people, I guess 20180717 20:22:16<+discordbot1> Just Orcs are generally baddies 20180717 20:22:24<+discordbot1> are there campaigns where you play orcs other than blackeye 20180717 20:22:26<+discordbot1> ageless era is pretty balanced 20180717 20:22:29<+discordbot1> doesnt Malin only go after orcs? 20180717 20:22:34<+discordbot1> and well, anyone who tries to raid his cave 20180717 20:22:34<+discordbot1> HMMMM 20180717 20:22:36<+discordbot1> you just have to pick the best faction 20180717 20:22:40<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar so it's done only by the intuitions of veteran players and lots of testing 20180717 20:22:45<+discordbot1> I think there was one that was "legend of far north", but not sure if it's on 1.14 yet 20180717 20:22:56<+discordbot1> though Malin doesnt distinguish good orcs from bad orcs, he just kills any orc/goblin in sight 20180717 20:23:02<+discordbot1> (so i guess you can say hes racist lol) 20180717 20:23:22<+discordbot1> you yeah, there's a goblin campaign, Grnk the Mighty 20180717 20:23:25<+discordbot1> oh yeah* 20180717 20:23:29<+discordbot1> haha fuck 20180717 20:23:32<+discordbot1> That sounds awesome 20180717 20:23:34<+discordbot1> if he kills all orcs, can he really be racists towards a race that doesn't exist? 20180717 20:23:38<+discordbot1> I gotta finish this one first though 20180717 20:23:52<+discordbot1> the founding of borstep is also an orc campaign 20180717 20:23:54<+discordbot1> someone make a meme 20180717 20:23:55<+discordbot1> @VYNLT where did malin get the book, werent there humans guarding it? 20180717 20:24:03<+discordbot1> @blarumyrran sooo let me explain 20180717 20:24:06<+discordbot1> anyways guys, what we really need is afterlife ladder : - ) 20180717 20:24:08<+discordbot1> you know Darken, his master, right? 20180717 20:24:21-!- JordiGH [jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180717 20:24:24<+discordbot1> him and Darken go after the human mage who has the book, they raid his basement, defeat the humans and take the book 20180717 20:24:45<+discordbot1> then he does not only go after orcs 20180717 20:24:46<+discordbot1> Well default wasnt changed in any significant way for quite long time despite complains from some of these ladder people thats why im curious. 20180717 20:24:50<+discordbot1> that is burglary and murder 20180717 20:24:56<+discordbot1> Darken ditches Malin because he just wanted to use him, the two fight and while they fight, a group of paladins and Malin's sister join the fight to fight them both 20180717 20:24:57<+discordbot1> i meant end-game Malin, after he becomes a lich 20180717 20:25:35<+discordbot1> would you want to be a lich? 20180717 20:25:46<+discordbot1> dunno 20180717 20:25:50<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar one thing to consider is that changing units affects the balance of campaigns and addons, not only MP 20180717 20:26:01<+discordbot1> lichdom sounds fun but what if you get bored and want to die and you cant? 20180717 20:26:12<+discordbot1> and when you do get killed by, say, a white mage 20180717 20:26:14<+discordbot1> how can u get bored as a lich though 20180717 20:26:22<+discordbot1> do you go to the afterlife? or are you stuck in limbo or some shit 20180717 20:26:28<+discordbot1> actually, is afterlife even a thing in Wesnoth/ 20180717 20:26:32<+discordbot1> just like make gladiator fights between your minions 20180717 20:26:38<+discordbot1> i guess 20180717 20:26:47<+discordbot1> yeah that is smart 20180717 20:27:07<+discordbot1> if the colosseum was opened today Italy would be the #1 tourist destination 20180717 20:27:38< Ravana_> afterlife is one of most popular scenarios currently 20180717 20:27:49<+discordbot1> yes, it needs ladder 20180717 20:29:18< Ravana_> replays are available, so it is possible to generate such ladder 20180717 20:29:37-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 20:32:47-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 20:33:03<+discordbot1> @Yumi Well i have nothing to say about balance of campanings most of them are not that hard. Then i will stick back to my own math. 20180717 20:34:39<+discordbot1> I agree with you, but based on some people who have been trouble with the campaigns (see LoW), it's not fair to say that we can disregard the campaign balance 20180717 20:36:59<+discordbot1> Well I then will do easy mode just for story. 20180717 20:37:11<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar for example: fencer and saurian skirmisher in the same faction would be very powerful. can you really imagine a formal (math) model that accounts for that without including it as a specific exception? 20180717 20:37:24<+discordbot1> err sorry, 20180717 20:37:30<+discordbot1> Thief and saurian skirmisher 20180717 20:38:22<+discordbot1> Yes well i alredy have over 3000 grilles in excel over the whole balance thing so i guess it wont be that hard to count. 20180717 20:38:46<+discordbot1> i have no idea what you just said 20180717 20:39:01<+discordbot1> Then just yes. 20180717 20:39:14-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180717 20:39:15<+discordbot1> I can do it. 20180717 20:39:21<+discordbot1> wow 20180717 20:39:25<+discordbot1> be sure to post it on the forums! 20180717 20:39:45<+discordbot1> although what is "not hard to count"? what do you count? 20180717 20:41:20<+discordbot1> First i need to finish it. Efficiency, each unit has its gold cost so i count how mutch of this gold it realy is worth. 20180717 20:41:41<+discordbot1> But this is diffrent for each matchup. 20180717 20:41:49<+discordbot1> well the balance depends a lot on the map too so i don't think there's a way to get around just doing lots of playtesting 20180717 20:43:13<+discordbot1> @Hejnewar my point is: you have to decide how many balance points is having Thief and Skirmisher in the same faction worth, versus Thief in a faction without Skirmisher. where does that number come from? 20180717 20:43:28<+discordbot1> without simulations you would just have to make it up yourself 20180717 20:43:55<+discordbot1> Maps... Well i just cut them off completly counting hexes is not my favourite thing to do. 20180717 20:43:56<+discordbot1> because you cannot account with math, for how likely is a situation wherein a skirmisher and thief are used together on a map 20180717 20:44:12<+discordbot1> without running a simulation 20180717 20:44:17<+discordbot1> hence, testing 20180717 20:44:47<+discordbot1> I don't think you'll ever be able to balance a game with such a small player base 20180717 20:45:23<+discordbot1> Testing and expirience is important, i coudnt do it if i didnt have some of it. 20180717 20:45:44<+discordbot1> what players do and how the play contributes greatly in order to balance properly 20180717 20:46:12<+discordbot1> if you do have balance suggestions, forums are a much better place to put them though 20180717 20:46:42<+discordbot1> it's unlikely that peopel will remember what you put here 20180717 20:47:08<+discordbot1> Well i have my own era to put them in. Well for now its even better for me. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180717 20:53:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 21:03:04-!- JordiGH [jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 21:13:19-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180717 21:19:12-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 21:35:42-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180717 21:37:23-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 21:49:07-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 22:24:23-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 22:28:59-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DED1656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180717 22:34:26-!- JordiGH [jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has quit [Quit: Jacking out] 20180717 22:36:57-!- jorgesumle [~jorge@188.red-95-121-126.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 22:37:45< jorgesumle> There is a being called SaltySam who opened a game called "KILL ALL THE JEWS" in the official Wesnoth server, how can I report it? 20180717 22:38:41< jorgesumle> Someone can take care of that? 20180717 22:39:56<+discordbot1> Well...I may not be a mod, but if I am correct [I may be incorrect, as I have not wesnothed in a while, sorry] players can use a different name or the same one each time they start a game in the server. If it's linked to a Wesnoth account, they may be able to take action, though. 20180717 22:40:29<+discordbot1> I apologize if I am inocorrect. 20180717 22:42:50<+discordbot1> I'm just a person who likes the game, not a staff, so I cannot know for sure. 20180717 22:51:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20180717 22:53:45<+discordbot1> jorgiesumle: The message when joining the MP server includes instructions and a link to the code of conduct. 20180717 22:57:01<+discordbot1> @Not Hamel all nicks are now linked to a Wesnoth account, no? 20180717 22:57:13<+discordbot1> I wasn't sure. 20180717 22:57:55<+discordbot1> I study the lore of the game and such, not the MP servers, and I don't have as much time to game these days, been busy with personal projects. 20180717 22:58:06<+discordbot1> My bad, I admit I was wrong. 20180717 23:03:37-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 23:04:27-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180717 23:18:01-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 23:18:07-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180717 23:28:07-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180717 23:31:13-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:c8b1:c642:a999:f4b9] has left #wesnoth [] 20180717 23:36:45-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180717 23:40:11<+discordbot1> Also, out of curiosity, I have a Lore Question. In SotBE, we see a southern road from Dorset, and we never see a northern road on the main Wesnoth map [Which, ik is from the gap in years]. I'm just rather curious as to where this road goes. It likely goes back to Wesnoth, but that means it's the longest road in canon, going south across Arkan-Thoria, then crossing into Wesnoth at either the Ford of Parthyn, or Abez, the latter 20180717 23:40:11<+discordbot1> making it a very long road without any other cities on the way [Except D.D.]. I'm just wondering if it's canonized where this road goes, or if not. 20180717 23:48:57-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Wed Jul 18 00:00:39 2018