--- Log opened Thu Jul 19 00:00:01 2018 20180719 00:06:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 00:06:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 00:18:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180719 00:29:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 00:30:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 00:47:24-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180719 01:04:51<+discordbot1> @Varicks Hi :) I would like to try out your campaigns, how do I try them out/where do I find them? Thanks in advance!! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180719 01:07:07<+discordbot1> Varicks' campaign's posted on the forum, in the scenario & campaign development forum 20180719 01:08:08<+discordbot1> Ahh thank you!! ๐Ÿ˜˜ 20180719 01:08:44-!- Johannes13__ [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 01:09:57<+discordbot1> whats it called again? 20180719 01:10:50<+discordbot1> A friendship tested? 20180719 01:11:26<+discordbot1> yeah 20180719 01:11:33<+discordbot1> awesome ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿฅ„ 20180719 01:12:05-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180719 01:19:32<+discordbot1> I tried downloading it and I got this error message: Error loading custom game configuration files. The game will try without loading add-ons. Details: Macro/file '~add-ons/AFriendshipTested/utils' is missing at campaigns/AFriendshipTested/_main.cfg:26 included from _main.cfg:38 20180719 01:20:07<+discordbot1> thats the message I got when trying to play it 20180719 01:21:05<+discordbot1> that's strange, the campaign loads for me and I think I'm using the most recently posted version 20180719 01:21:44<+discordbot1> oh wait, did you put it in your addons folder? 20180719 01:22:12<+discordbot1> I put it in my campaign folder 20180719 01:22:13<+discordbot1> ohhh thats why 20180719 01:22:16<+discordbot1> Hahaha 20180719 01:22:16<+discordbot1> it goes in data/addons, not campaigns 20180719 01:22:21<+discordbot1> ahhhh thank you so much XD 20180719 01:22:39<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 01:28:06<+discordbot1> Hmmm 20180719 01:28:10<+discordbot1> I don't see any folder called addons 20180719 01:28:11<+discordbot1> under data 20180719 01:28:18<+discordbot1> but I have installed addons before so they must be saved somewhere 20180719 01:28:44<+discordbot1> default directory is Documents/My Games/Wesnoth1.14/data/add-ons 20180719 01:28:45<+discordbot1> try clicking the i on the lower left hand corner of the main menu 20180719 01:28:49<+discordbot1> or that 20180719 01:30:16<+discordbot1> ohhh I found it, thank you both!! :) 20180719 01:41:23-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4dbc1830.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180719 02:22:09<+discordbot1> what is the typical length of a campaign scenario wise? 20180719 02:22:17<+discordbot1> 8-10 scenarios? 20180719 02:22:25<+discordbot1> Perhaps not typical, but average? 20180719 02:23:21<+discordbot1> here's the real controversy: do dwarves live in the houses or no 20180719 02:23:22<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469328359273529364/unknown.png 20180719 02:24:41<+discordbot1> 8-10 scenarios sounds about average 20180719 02:24:59<+discordbot1> I mean 20180719 02:25:07<+discordbot1> A DWร–RF lived in that one house 20180719 02:25:10<+discordbot1> in that one mainline campaign 20180719 02:25:24<+discordbot1> yeah 20180719 02:25:30<+discordbot1> TRoW right? 20180719 02:25:33<+discordbot1> yeah 20180719 02:25:39<+discordbot1> but didn't he have a different house 20180719 02:25:49<+discordbot1> but THIS is a dwarvish house 20180719 02:25:49<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469328977669128203/unknown.png 20180719 02:26:10<+discordbot1> inconsistent. please remove TRoW from core 20180719 02:26:20<+discordbot1> Immersion ruined 20180719 02:26:48<+discordbot1> well someone lives in the villages, otherwise who turns on the lights at night? 20180719 02:27:17<+discordbot1> The house has an ample basement. 20180719 02:27:33<+discordbot1> ahahha 20180719 02:27:42<+discordbot1> It's just that it got flooded in recent times when Haldric and co came by. 20180719 02:27:57<+discordbot1> (It is winter.) 20180719 02:28:12<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k887xo 20180719 02:28:14<+discordbot1> hey 20180719 02:28:18<+discordbot1> he lived in a dwarven house aswell 20180719 02:28:29<+discordbot1> OH wow 20180719 02:28:46<+discordbot1> even had a nice lake view 20180719 02:28:48<+discordbot1> i guess I'm a few updates late on my TRoW 20180719 02:28:54<+discordbot1> dwarves cant swim 20180719 02:29:02<+discordbot1> Maybe he dug through the roof 20180719 02:29:03<+discordbot1> into the lake 20180719 02:29:09<+discordbot1> and flooded his basement cavesystem 20180719 02:29:15<+discordbot1> is this now canon? 20180719 02:29:50<+discordbot1> Sure why not 20180719 02:29:55<+discordbot1> nice 20180719 02:29:59<+discordbot1> damn i was hoping to justify the use of an elvish village without elves 20180719 02:30:03<+discordbot1> I need to be added to the end credits now 20180719 02:30:21<+discordbot1> You really don't need to justify them. 20180719 02:30:21<+discordbot1> Elvish villages are used in some of the scenarios without elves, I'm pretty sure 20180719 02:30:44<+discordbot1> plus no one is that hard of a nerd to moan about Elvish villages without elves 20180719 02:30:55<+discordbot1> A lot of terrains are labeled " " in the editor but in -game they're just "".. 20180719 02:31:13<+discordbot1> Shadow, bud 20180719 02:32:13<+discordbot1> Are Invasion from the Unknown, Bad Moon Rising, The Library of Kratemaqht uh 20180719 02:32:15<+discordbot1> mostly elves? 20180719 02:32:24<+discordbot1> Or are they cool dudes like humans and dwarves and stuff like that 20180719 02:32:36<+discordbot1> Wait i can check this myself im pretty sure lmao 20180719 02:32:39<+discordbot1> I don't know about the latter two but in IftU you purportedly control elves. 20180719 02:32:48<+discordbot1> In practice you'll mostly be recruiting undead though. 20180719 02:33:23<+discordbot1> Hi @Varicks I tried your campaign and I love it so far!! :))) but I beat the direwolf rider in the bottom right corner because I rushed my dwarves (mostly thunderguards) to the bottom right and outkilled the leader 20180719 02:33:24<+discordbot1> (Which is how AtS became an undead campaign with a side-serving of outlaw humans in E2 and E3.) 20180719 02:33:33<+discordbot1> it said im not supposed to be able to beat the orcs 20180719 02:34:23<+discordbot1> Dang lol. I don't know what I'm going to do about that. I guess I can go the lazy way out and just put a bunch of GUARDIAN units around the leader, like in that HttT mission where Konrad attempts to cross the ford 20180719 02:34:24<+discordbot1> thunderers 20180719 02:34:25<+discordbot1> YEET 20180719 02:34:52<+discordbot1> I hate thunderers. 20180719 02:34:57<+discordbot1> I love thunderers. 20180719 02:35:11<+discordbot1> They only ever do what they're supposed to do if it works against you in some way. 20180719 02:35:25<+discordbot1> They boom stuff- 20180719 02:35:26<+discordbot1> It's so bad 20180719 02:35:33<+discordbot1> I played that scenario too and it felt the same as last time (rather easy). I guess the issue without the extra keep it's too hard and with the keep it's too easy 20180719 02:35:46<+discordbot1> I read someone wondering if they're hardcoded to have biased chances. 20180719 02:36:01<+discordbot1> And then I realized that despite being a dev I haven't actually verified if that's the case? 20180719 02:36:09<+discordbot1> I also don't use thunderers when possible 20180719 02:36:21<+discordbot1> is To lands Unknown any good 20180719 02:36:29<+discordbot1> yes 20180719 02:36:32<+discordbot1> you have to babysit them so they can finish things off with their dagger 20180719 02:36:37<+discordbot1> I remember having a very enjoyable time playing it 20180719 02:36:45<+discordbot1> but you really should just try playing it for yourself Hyperwolf 20180719 02:36:56<+discordbot1> Well TLU is huge. 20180719 02:37:03<+discordbot1> It's like 150 MB? 20180719 02:37:07<+discordbot1> I doubt anyone is going to just blatantly denounce a campaign 20180719 02:37:16<+discordbot1> (unless it's eastern invasion) 20180719 02:37:26<+discordbot1> Or Northern Rebirth. 20180719 02:37:32<+discordbot1> =1 20180719 02:38:10<+discordbot1> In fairness EI's author did once say that it was pretty bad, years after he made it. 20180719 02:38:24<+discordbot1> And years after it stopped being his problem. 20180719 02:38:28<+discordbot1> I actually like NR, but it does have its flaws. 20180719 02:38:44<+discordbot1> My problem with EI is how little plot it is, and how much grind it is 20180719 02:38:54<+discordbot1> ^ 20180719 02:38:57<+discordbot1> every scenario feels the same 20180719 02:39:05<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180719 02:39:30<+discordbot1> Well my problem with it is that there is a plot and it doesn't make sense. 20180719 02:39:36<+discordbot1> You've seen it in 1.14, yes? 20180719 02:39:42<+discordbot1> It used to be worse in 1.10. 20180719 02:39:44<+discordbot1> EL was pretty grindy ngl 20180719 02:39:58<+discordbot1> I've not had the time to play 1.14 20180719 02:40:00<+discordbot1> NR was extra grindy but I enjoyed the story very much 20180719 02:40:08<+discordbot1> so good job whoever made that 20180719 02:40:09<+discordbot1> ^ 20180719 02:40:15<+discordbot1> At least the current version attempts to provide a very flimsy excuse for the long circutious journey to the north. 20180719 02:40:15<+discordbot1> you masochist 20180719 02:40:37<+discordbot1> The previous version was just a case of the characters deserting the kingdom for no reason and without any justification. 20180719 02:40:41<+discordbot1> (Or consequences, for that matter.) 20180719 02:40:44<+discordbot1> I actually like NR due to its plot and how hard it is, because I like being challenged 20180719 02:40:53<+discordbot1> I'm mentally challenged 20180719 02:40:56<+discordbot1> Yeah, EI didn't make sense in the old version 20180719 02:40:57<+discordbot1> (Gweddry's head by all means should end up mounted on a pike.) 20180719 02:40:58<+discordbot1> oh 20180719 02:41:05<+discordbot1> not medically 20180719 02:41:06<+discordbot1> just 20180719 02:41:16<+discordbot1> humorically 20180719 02:41:33<+discordbot1> Yeah I think I lost interest when I came across the scenario when two factions, the Undead and Orcs, supposedly stopped fighting and allied to fight you for no apparent reason 20180719 02:41:40<+discordbot1> oh yeah that was 20180719 02:41:54<+discordbot1> Let's not shit on it too much 20180719 02:41:56<+discordbot1> Isn't it elves and dwarves? 20180719 02:42:01<+discordbot1> Or did that change too 20180719 02:42:03<+discordbot1> I really enjoyed the ending fight 20180719 02:42:08<+discordbot1> if it happens with Elves and Dwarves later... 20180719 02:42:08<+discordbot1> It was undeadn and orcs 20180719 02:42:09<+discordbot1> my gosh 20180719 02:42:09<+discordbot1> No, it was orcs and undead, I think 20180719 02:42:13<+discordbot1> and elves and dwarves 20180719 02:42:16<+discordbot1> wait 20180719 02:42:18<+discordbot1> waitt 20180719 02:42:52<+discordbot1> so basically every enemy in the game just hates Gweddry because of plot and hates him enough to ally with their enemies? 20180719 02:43:16<+discordbot1> i mean people can hate people in the story, there just has to be a reason 20180719 02:43:43<+discordbot1> tbf 20180719 02:43:52<+discordbot1> Initially I didn't like playing Konrad, because of his character. But I think the campaign does a good job portraying him as a kid 20180719 02:43:53<+discordbot1> its not like the orcs and undead are like "oh hey we hate humies more" 20180719 02:44:00<+discordbot1> I'm thinking too much about this and now the campaign sounds like swiss cheese. 20180719 02:44:07<+discordbot1> they are like 20180719 02:44:17<+discordbot1> "maybe the humie kills the undead lad and then i wont have to deal with him" 20180719 02:44:47<+discordbot1> maybe but pretty sure if that actually happened, the orcs would start killing the undead 20180719 02:44:51<+discordbot1> I liked the whole love plot thing in Rise of Wesnoth 20180719 02:44:58<+discordbot1> but Konrad and that girl were kind of meh imo 20180719 02:45:06<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180719 02:45:18<+discordbot1> That scenario would be better if one side betrayed the other a couple of turns in 20180719 02:45:40<+discordbot1> that girl 20180719 02:45:48<+discordbot1> The princess, yeah 20180719 02:45:53<+discordbot1> li'sar, daughter of asheviere 20180719 02:45:59<+discordbot1> You mean 20180719 02:46:06<+discordbot1> [i'm a wesnoth lore nerd] 20180719 02:46:10<+discordbot1> "TRAITOR, MY MOM TOLD ME TO KILL YOU" 20180719 02:46:13<+discordbot1> "USURPER!" 20180719 02:46:21<+discordbot1> Wait, Konrad = HttT, not TroW 20180719 02:46:28<+discordbot1> yes 20180719 02:46:43<+discordbot1> Hmm @Varicks what if you got rid of thunderers? 20180719 02:46:55<+discordbot1> They can do a crap ton of damage and its easy to replay back the turn again and again 20180719 02:47:00<+discordbot1> until they hit 20180719 02:47:01<+discordbot1> Konrad and Lil Sar the rap god's love plot was quite unexpected 20180719 02:47:06<+discordbot1> CC that's not great. 20180719 02:47:08<+discordbot1> Nothing I can do about savescumming ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 02:47:11<+discordbot1> Tedious and also not doable in multiplayer. 20180719 02:47:11<+discordbot1> lil sar 20180719 02:47:19<+discordbot1> i think the idea is you don't keep reloading until they hit haha 20180719 02:47:20<+discordbot1> li'sar 20180719 02:47:23<+discordbot1> not lil sar 20180719 02:47:23<+discordbot1> haha 20180719 02:47:38<+discordbot1> Crimson, try playing on deterministic mode and tell me if it is still easy? 20180719 02:47:47<+discordbot1> Lil' Sara 20180719 02:47:58<+discordbot1> Turns out she wasn't named after a Lisa after all /s 20180719 02:47:59<+discordbot1> I had someone send me a replay of a strategy identical to yours. 20180719 02:48:03<+discordbot1> what is deterministic mode? 20180719 02:48:05<+discordbot1> aha 20180719 02:48:42<+discordbot1> SoundCloud really does reach everywhere, doesn't it 20180719 02:49:02<+discordbot1> still I think removing thunderers can't hurt 20180719 02:49:06<+discordbot1> for the first scenario 20180719 02:49:11<+discordbot1> unless its important to have them for later 20180719 02:49:14<+discordbot1> Hmm 20180719 02:49:24<+discordbot1> Perhaps I can do that, to spice up another scenario 20180719 02:49:35<+discordbot1> like a "recruit thunderers now" or you won't have them 20180719 02:49:37<+discordbot1> ooh glad to give you an idea <3 <3 ๐Ÿ˜˜ 20180719 02:49:45<+discordbot1> ooooh 20180719 02:49:46<+discordbot1> :D 20180719 02:49:47<+discordbot1> well then all you're left with is fighters scouts and guardsmen, and guardsmen suck 20180719 02:49:52<+discordbot1> well 20180719 02:50:00<+discordbot1> guardsmen are good line holders 20180719 02:50:27<+discordbot1> have you ever tried to kill a dwarvish stalwart? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 02:50:30<+discordbot1> Thunderers are great though 20180719 02:50:31<+discordbot1> the thing is 20180719 02:50:33<+discordbot1> if you have multiple entrances to your base you can just seal one up for a few turns with guardsmanbois 20180719 02:50:40<+discordbot1> Even if I didn't replay the moves, im sure I could try the same thing with good strategy 20180719 02:50:44<+discordbot1> since AI like to rush towards you 20180719 02:50:50<+discordbot1> the reason being that I finished the scenario very early 20180719 02:50:51<+discordbot1> Hey 20180719 02:50:52<+discordbot1> like 14 turns 20180719 02:50:55<+discordbot1> well okay they're hard to kill, but they also don't do much themselves 20180719 02:50:56<+discordbot1> How about you make 2 lizard leaders 20180719 02:50:59<+discordbot1> and give them 480 gold each 20180719 02:51:02<+discordbot1> whilst you have 240 gold 20180719 02:51:16<+discordbot1> Wait.. you killed the Northern orc leader too, Crimson? 20180719 02:51:18<+discordbot1> if i didnt replay i could still probably try the same thing and finish it in 20 turns or something 20180719 02:51:23<+discordbot1> No, only the bottom right 20180719 02:51:28<+discordbot1> i didnt approach the north hahaha 20180719 02:51:49<+discordbot1> Oh that's a bug 20180719 02:51:51<+discordbot1> oh 20180719 02:51:56<+discordbot1> What was Yumi's campaign again? I Need to download it 20180719 02:53:02<+discordbot1> ah i was wondering how you killed the Northeast orc so fast!! 20180719 02:53:05<+discordbot1> i'd design a campaign but frankly i'm just too busy to efficiently need one plus i'd probably spend like 50 extra days planning every detail and a reason for it, I tend to overdo things 20180719 02:53:10<+discordbot1> Yumi's campaign is Genesis, but it sort of depends on IftU and AtS to make sense. 20180719 02:53:28<+discordbot1> Are there any dwarf KING or dwarf royalty custom units used in main-line? 20180719 02:53:33<+discordbot1> I know there's a dwarvish miner 20180719 02:54:03<+discordbot1> well there's the runemaster alternate advancement, and the witness thing from THoT 20180719 02:54:03<+discordbot1> Nope, the Dwarvish Lord is used for that purpose most of the time. 20180719 02:55:19<+discordbot1> Use a human king 20180719 02:55:21<+discordbot1> size it down 20180719 02:55:23<+discordbot1> no one can tell 20180719 02:55:24<+discordbot1> haha 20180719 02:55:26<+discordbot1> Come to think of it, the Dwarves really don't have a leadership unit. Humans got the Seargant and up, Drakes got the flameheart or whatever, Elves got their captains, and the undead Death Knight appears quite a few times in mainline 20180719 02:55:38<+discordbot1> jesus 20180719 02:55:40<+discordbot1> who would have time 20180719 02:55:47<+discordbot1> to play Legend of the Invincibles 20180719 02:55:52<+discordbot1> dwarves would probably just be too stubborn to have a leadership unit 20180719 02:56:15<+discordbot1> also AtS 20180719 02:56:17<+discordbot1> is 20180719 02:56:17<+discordbot1> ? 20180719 02:56:29<+discordbot1> Dwarves dont need leadership 20180719 02:56:33<+discordbot1> They know their jobs 20180719 02:56:46<+discordbot1> Kill orcs, trolls, undead and any filthy humans that try to touch OUR caves! 20180719 02:56:58<+discordbot1> And elves just cause it's funny 20180719 02:57:12<+discordbot1> well 20180719 02:57:18<+discordbot1> I said IftU not LotI. 20180719 02:57:41<+discordbot1> what kind of human would look at a tunnel and be like 'hmm yes this seems like a nice place to be. no sun, no weather, just tunnel' 20180719 02:57:42<+discordbot1> I have about 4 iq, my dude 20180719 02:57:57<+discordbot1> humans don't really have tunnel houses 20180719 02:57:58<+discordbot1> Lotl and AtS don't ring a bell yet 20180719 02:58:02<+discordbot1> that's a dwarf thing 20180719 02:58:18<+discordbot1> Legend of the Invincibles is an entirely different person's creation and I've got nothing to do with it. 20180719 02:58:28<+discordbot1> Yeah 20180719 02:58:34<+discordbot1> I was just looking at the mods 20180719 02:58:35<+discordbot1> and wondering 20180719 02:58:43<+discordbot1> who would play 200 scenarios of the same campaign 20180719 02:59:06<+discordbot1> i mean 50 20180719 02:59:07<+discordbot1> (me probably after i'm done with all of these other ones 20180719 02:59:08<+discordbot1> idk I barely made it past the first 4 chapters and then lost interest. 20180719 02:59:14<+discordbot1> hit enter too soon sorry 20180719 02:59:24<+discordbot1> And I had to force myself to not quit after the 6th scenario over all. 20180719 02:59:31<+discordbot1> i mean 50's okay at the most to me but 200 is just a bit much 20180719 02:59:45<+discordbot1> Not a big fan when you have 2-3 units the win every scenario for you 20180719 02:59:57<+discordbot1> The thing is that it's designed that way. 20180719 03:00:04<+discordbot1> Yeah, just not my cup of tea. 20180719 03:00:27<+discordbot1> I think I've said before that a lot of interesting things could come out of the basic gameplay premise, but the execution makes it 20180719 03:00:29<+discordbot1> "meh" 20180719 03:00:46<+discordbot1> Have you played Altaz Marineers? 20180719 03:00:50<+discordbot1> There are people who like it as it is though. 20180719 03:00:51<+discordbot1> No. 20180719 03:01:06<+discordbot1> the loot collecting is really cool though. It's a lot of fun to put together different item combinations 20180719 03:01:13<+discordbot1> What do you mean 2-3 units that win every scenario? 20180719 03:01:19<+discordbot1> Is it a scenario with small bands of units 20180719 03:01:27<+discordbot1> Forgive me, as like Shadow, I didn't get very far 20180719 03:01:39<+discordbot1> You've gotten further than me, my friend 20180719 03:02:20<+discordbot1> well most units go until level 5, and then they have powerful AMLAs, also you get a limited amount of equipment so you can only make a few good units 20180719 03:02:38<+discordbot1> Correct. Most scenarios recruiting isn't necessary 20180719 03:03:00<+discordbot1> in LoTI a unit without equipment is almost completely useless 20180719 03:03:02<+discordbot1> unless things have changed since I last played 20180719 03:03:39<+discordbot1> ah ok 20180719 03:03:44<+discordbot1> seems neato 20180719 03:03:51<+discordbot1> whoa 20180719 03:04:01<+discordbot1> im just looking at the new eras i installed right 20180719 03:04:05<+discordbot1> Barbarians seem dope 20180719 03:04:26<+discordbot1> Battle toads wtf 20180719 03:04:31<+discordbot1> whoa what 20180719 03:04:34<+discordbot1> battle toads? 20180719 03:05:19<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k88hvi 20180719 03:05:36<+discordbot1> Sounds like Era of Magic. 20180719 03:05:39<+discordbot1> Or a derivative thereof. 20180719 03:06:37<+discordbot1> a battle toad 20180719 03:06:53<+discordbot1> WOH! That's so freaking cool 20180719 03:07:25<+discordbot1> Era of Magic alright 20180719 03:08:34<+discordbot1> that's interesting 20180719 03:09:23<+discordbot1> it has 20180719 03:09:29<+discordbot1> 6 different attacks, nice 20180719 03:12:23<+discordbot1> whoa 20180719 03:14:06<+discordbot1> Anyone know of like any calvary from the outlaw tree? 20180719 03:14:09<+discordbot1> custom of course 20180719 03:19:18<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469342439560445954/black-knight.png 20180719 03:19:37<+discordbot1> like this? that's the black knight from Fate of a Princess 20180719 03:20:07<+discordbot1> Hmm. I was thinking of something less armor, kind of like the outlaw faction. But this would work otherwise. Even has similar weaponry ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 03:20:48<+discordbot1> I don't know of any unarmored cavalry units unfortunately 20180719 03:29:31<+discordbot1> ah maybe these? https://units.wesnoth.org/1.12/A_Song_of_Fire/en_US/A_Song_of_Fire.html#Hannuks 20180719 03:33:13<+discordbot1> Ooh nice. Appreciate your diligence on that. I think I will use the horse archer. 20180719 03:33:28<+discordbot1> Although I typically try to limit the amount of custom units I'd use 20180719 03:37:39<+discordbot1> There used to be a Brigand unit circulating around. 20180719 03:40:55-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 03:42:07<+discordbot1> There's no female dwarf models 20180719 03:42:09<+discordbot1> oh yeah! i remember seeing them in return from the abyss 20180719 03:42:19<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469348231034437632/brigand.png 20180719 03:42:30<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469348278719479809/raider.png 20180719 03:42:53<+discordbot1> Oh cool! 20180719 03:42:55<+discordbot1> that's the brigand and its advancement, the raider 20180719 03:42:57<+discordbot1> Yeah I think that's perfect 20180719 03:45:22<+discordbot1> Female troll models? 20180719 03:45:54< celticminstrel> There's no such thing as female trolls in Wesnoth. 20180719 03:46:02< celticminstrel> Or male trolls for that matter. 20180719 03:52:23<+discordbot1> There are female trolls actually. 20180719 03:52:32<+discordbot1> They're just not depicted anywhere. 20180719 03:52:42< celticminstrel> Uh. Pretty sure the lore says they're agender? 20180719 03:52:48< celticminstrel> Like the wose? 20180719 03:52:56<+discordbot1> If you can quote the relevant passage. 20180719 03:52:56< celticminstrel> ^woses 20180719 03:53:04 * celticminstrel checks. 20180719 03:53:09<+discordbot1> The only thing I remember is that the trolls in UtBS mention their "women". 20180719 03:53:23< celticminstrel> Could be something I was inferring rather than actually stated. 20180719 03:53:45<+discordbot1> troll shaman 20180719 03:54:04< celticminstrel> ? 20180719 03:54:54<+discordbot1> UtBS has female trolls mentioned 20180719 03:55:07<+discordbot1> "The dwรถrfs are killing our wamen and children. Pls help us" 20180719 03:55:19<+discordbot1> Damn Dwarves! 20180719 03:55:31<+discordbot1> I sided with the trolls 20180719 03:55:46<+discordbot1> i always side with the trolls 20180719 03:55:57< celticminstrel> I think I was inferring it from names.cfg. 20180719 03:56:17<+discordbot1> I tried to, but that troll really didn't like that those dwarves sucked rocks :/ 20180719 03:57:00< celticminstrel> Because most races have either both male and female names or are obviously humanoid enough that they can be assumed to have females. 20180719 03:57:07< celticminstrel> The only exceptions are the woses and the trolls. 20180719 03:57:30<+discordbot1> Good morning lads 20180719 03:57:32<+discordbot1> I'm off to sleep 20180719 03:57:33< celticminstrel> And the saurians, right. 20180719 03:57:37<+discordbot1> 6:57 am oof 20180719 03:57:56<+discordbot1> With the Saurians I always just kinda assumed 20180719 03:58:03<+discordbot1> I mean if I look at a gator, i don't know if it's female or male 20180719 03:58:23<+discordbot1> so I assumed that they were both female and male 20180719 03:58:35< celticminstrel> I think it's kinda cool to have some races not have gender at all. 20180719 03:58:57<+discordbot1> Needs to have a hive race in Wesnoth 20180719 03:59:02<+discordbot1> Only one female 20180719 03:59:04< celticminstrel> The saurians are reptilian, and reptiles have gender, so that's why I'd assume the saurians do as well. 20180719 03:59:17<+discordbot1> Storyline to kill that one female to send the race into anarchy 20180719 03:59:24<+discordbot1> So instead of 1 huge horde 20180719 03:59:33<+discordbot1> You have a bunch of small queen's popping hp 20180719 03:59:35< celticminstrel> All the obviously humanoid races (dwarves, ogres, orcs) can be assumed to have females. 20180719 03:59:45<+discordbot1> Saurians Def do 20180719 03:59:56<+discordbot1> I remember that one dude being like dang kill even the kids and women 20180719 04:00:00<+discordbot1> During the elf campaign 20180719 04:00:03< celticminstrel> And all the other races explicitly list separate female names. 20180719 04:00:12<+discordbot1> that was trolls not saurians 20180719 04:00:23< celticminstrel> I think the saurians probably don't have gender-specific names. Maybe gender even isn't genetic for them. 20180719 04:00:34-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 04:01:17< celticminstrel> Woses are trees, so the logical assumption is that they don't have gendered individuals (most trees IRL don't). 20180719 04:01:26<+discordbot1> Inkg 20180719 04:01:30< celticminstrel> That only leaves trolls as possibly in question. 20180719 04:01:30<+discordbot1> Inky* 20180719 04:01:47<+discordbot1> Doesn't your buddy during Legend of Wesnoth 20180719 04:01:49<+discordbot1> Or wharebert 20180719 04:01:50< celticminstrel> I guess shadowm is probably right that it's never stated that they don't have gender, I just assumed. 20180719 04:01:57<+discordbot1> When you're burning down the lizardmen villages 20180719 04:02:03<+discordbot1> Tell the guys to kill even the women and children 20180719 04:03:01< celticminstrel> @Hyperwolf72 - I wouldn't consider an enjoinder to "kill the women and children" from a human, orc, etc to be proof that the race being slaughtered actually has women. It could be just the speaker's biases showing, assuming they have women when they actually don't. 20180719 04:04:24<+discordbot1> it just mentions young: "These are but eggs and hatchlings." message= _ "Do not spare them. They will only foul our forests anew when they get their growth." message= _ "They even shatter our eggs!" message= _ "But... to kill their young? Are we to go that far?" message= _ "Stay. You need not have the blood of children on your hands, and I shall not." message= _ "Perhaps 20180719 04:04:25<+discordbot1> you are too tender-minded to do what must be done, but many of us are not." message= _ "I will not set elf against elf. But, Landar, I fear you are storing up a dreadful price for yourself." message= _ "Stand aside. I will do what is needful." 20180719 04:04:26< celticminstrel> I think I brought up the idea of trolls not having gender before. too? Not quite sure. 20180719 04:05:40<+discordbot1> Is that in reference to Trolls? 20180719 04:05:43<+discordbot1> Troll EGGS? 20180719 04:05:46<+discordbot1> or Saurians? 20180719 04:05:52< celticminstrel> The po comments in names.cfg support at the very least that ogres, trolls, woses, and saurians do not have gender-specific names. 20180719 04:05:57<+discordbot1> no that was saurians, from Legend of Wesmere 20180719 04:05:58< celticminstrel> Oh, and orcs. 20180719 04:06:17<+discordbot1> Sorry, I firmly believe now that Trolls lay eggs 20180719 04:06:22< celticminstrel> That doesn't meant they don't have genders, though. Only that the names can be the same regardless of genders. 20180719 04:06:31< celticminstrel> @Varicks Troll eggs are probably geodes. 20180719 04:06:36<+discordbot1> though the fact that some lay eggs would indicate that some are female 20180719 04:06:36<+discordbot1> haha 20180719 04:07:26< celticminstrel> Mine you, I was the one who wrote those po comments. 20180719 04:11:38<+discordbot1> Or 20180719 04:11:44<+discordbot1> (And this is the more likely reason) 20180719 04:11:55<+discordbot1> No-one thought of names at the time because there wasn't any need for them. 20180719 04:12:17< celticminstrel> Well, that totally works for dwarves and orcs, for sure. And ogres I guess. 20180719 04:12:35<+discordbot1> Ogres lay eggs, too. 20180719 04:12:39< celticminstrel> But woses and trolls also happen to be good candidates for not having gender at all, based on their appearance. 20180719 04:13:05< celticminstrel> So I just think it would be cool if that were made official... but I guess it doesn't really matter that much. 20180719 04:13:40<+discordbot1> I mean, you're a dev and you know who to convince. 20180719 04:13:50< celticminstrel> Vultraz I suppose. 20180719 04:13:50<+discordbot1> im convinced 20180719 04:13:58< celticminstrel> Well you're not Vultraz though. 20180719 04:14:06<+discordbot1> Although it'd be great if it came accompanied with prose updates (esp. to the in-game help) stating so. 20180719 04:14:15< celticminstrel> Yeah, that would be nice indeed. 20180719 04:14:16<+discordbot1> I was thinking Vultraz and zookeeper. 20180719 04:14:19<+discordbot1> both 7 letters both start with V 20180719 04:14:22< celticminstrel> Ah, zookeeper huh. 20180719 04:14:24<+discordbot1> boom 20180719 04:14:36<+discordbot1> I for one am convinced already. 20180719 04:16:58<+discordbot1> Boom. A little snipping here, a bit there, and we've reached our conclusion. 20180719 04:16:58<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469356950141009930/unknown.png 20180719 04:17:57<+discordbot1> when can we mainline this 20180719 04:28:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 04:28:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 04:48:41< celticminstrel> Haha. 20180719 04:52:51< celticminstrel> Okay, references to "women and children" or similar occur in: DM17, TRoW11, AOI05, SotBE06, NR02_01, UtBS05. That last is trolls, the rest appear to be referring to orcs or humans. Not seeing the reference to saurian women that someone mentioned, though it could be just GitHub's search not picking it up properly (particularly if it happens to also be in one of the aforementioned scenarios - I think GitHib's preview only notes the first 20180719 04:52:52< celticminstrel> match in each file). 20180719 04:53:29< celticminstrel> ^orcs or dwarves or humans 20180719 04:53:57< celticminstrel> If trolls are agender it would suffice to simply replace that reference with "children" or perhas "whelps". 20180719 04:53:59< celticminstrel> ^perhaps 20180719 04:55:56< celticminstrel> Ah I see, the LoW case is "eggs and hatchlings" which means basically just children, women aren't mentioned. Presumably the vast majority of humans can't distinguish saurian males and females in any case. 20180719 04:56:42< celticminstrel> They'd probably just assume that those tending the eggs are the females (but there's no reason that has to be true). 20180719 05:27:07-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! 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ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180719 07:25:13-!- synthpopisback [~synthpopi@cpe-2606-A000-7947-5000-5127-67EF-41A3-FA21.dyn6.twc.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 07:43:20<+discordbot1> @Varicks Why are the local wolves allied with the foreign Orcs in the first scenario? 20180719 07:46:01<+discordbot1> Sc1 'We hadn't seem them before.' 20180719 07:46:35-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180719 07:46:37<+discordbot1> 'so be it. Up...' 20180719 08:40:53-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.179.154.36] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 08:47:43-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 08:59:59< zookeeper> yeah, i'd certainly consider woses to be agender, and i suppose there's no particular reason why trolls couldn't be too (they probably reproduce in some decidedly weird fashion anyway). 20180719 09:03:01-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180719 09:03:41-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 09:07:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 09:10:32< zookeeper> if we wanted to, we could of course do something more original like have troll/wose reproduction involve >2 sexes, instead. i'm not saying i'm sure it'd be a good idea, but it's a possibility. 20180719 09:13:28-!- klutt [~klutt@c-6796225c.014-746-7570702.bbcust.telenor.se] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 09:13:56< klutt> Hi. I'm having trouble running wesnoth from flatpack. 20180719 09:14:02< klutt> error: app/org.wesnoth.wesnoth/x86_64/master not installed 20180719 09:36:58<+discordbot1> Well some trees irl need two sexses to reproduce. 20180719 09:42:24<+discordbot1> I think mushrooms have like 30 genders, not sure how that works... 20180719 10:17:45-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.179.154.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20180719 10:31:16<+discordbot1> i imagined woses as gendered, because they are copied after the ents of lord of the rings 20180719 10:31:30<+discordbot1> and the ents there complain how they have no women anymore and must now go extinct 20180719 10:34:04<+discordbot1> Well the elder wose in the wesnoth lobby matchup has a male symbol next to their icon 20180719 10:34:16<+discordbot1> But then again 20180719 10:34:25<+discordbot1> all the gender neutral ones seem to as well 20180719 10:34:33<+discordbot1> like deathblade 20180719 10:34:41<+discordbot1> but i guess it was a former male 20180719 10:35:27<+discordbot1> (i know nothing of wesnot internals but) it might be a technical thing: sprite files ending with "female" are for female units, so male is default 20180719 10:35:46<+discordbot1> ... or not 20180719 10:35:47<+discordbot1> nevermind 20180719 10:35:56<+discordbot1> elf shaman has no "female" 20180719 10:36:05<+discordbot1> ? 20180719 10:36:17<+discordbot1> nevermind 20180719 10:37:09<+discordbot1> I feel like if a unit leader were meant to be gender neutral then it would have that option 20180719 10:37:30<+discordbot1> like a blank 20180719 10:38:11-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4dbbfcad.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:14:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 11:14:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:25:59-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:33:13-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:35:50-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20180719 11:35:53<+discordbot1> Its thier (ents) fault for being too nerdy. :V 20180719 11:38:34-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:38:36-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180719 11:38:57-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 11:49:32<+discordbot1> After all, this doesn't affect the core gameplay that much. 20180719 11:51:00<+discordbot1> So if you guys as Devs decide that trolls don't actually reproduce at all, instead they come from eggs which come from the bottom of a lake in a deep cave but only after a bolt of lightning and a rainbow hit the mountaintop at the same time during spring then that would be canon 20180719 11:53:43<+discordbot1> Or that trolls are formed from cave bat droppings over time 20180719 11:53:55<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿคท 20180719 12:11:55-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 12:18:28-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 12:28:59<+discordbot1> klutt: did you install from here? https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.wesnoth.Wesnoth 20180719 12:37:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 12:38:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 12:59:33-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has left #wesnoth ["Leaving"] 20180719 13:52:59-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 13:53:04-!- hk238 [~kvirc@a458.ip20.netikka.fi] has quit [Changing host] 20180719 13:53:04-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 13:58:07<+discordbot1> @Crimson_Conure I have the fix for that, I just haven't updated the version yet. @Konrad2 The Wolves aren't allied to the Northern Orcs, but they're allied to the Goblins because the goblins themselves have wolves? That was the justification in my head. Goblins typically have a good relationship with Wolves. I was considering removing the wolves alltogether 20180719 14:04:45<+discordbot1> thanks for the feedback 20180719 14:12:55-!- Guest60195 [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 14:15:58-!- Guest60195 [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180719 14:20:53<+discordbot1> Well...I have to disagree with you. ๐Ÿ˜„ For one, the wolves the Goblins ride had to be tamed, they don't share some naturegiven bond or something like that. It's just a skill. And if you try to argue that the Wolves understand each other, that's wrong as well, wolves are territorial. 20180719 14:26:02<+discordbot1> Hmm I'll see about some alternatives 20180719 14:27:09<+discordbot1> wow 20180719 14:27:23<+discordbot1> just read the dev channel for NR mentions 20180719 14:27:50<+discordbot1> i thought i was joking about removing NR because stuff gets removed rarely, but apparently many people actually support it 20180719 14:40:06<+discordbot1> Until a better alternative comes forth I feel like it should stay 20180719 14:40:11<+discordbot1> It was still a good experience 20180719 14:41:23<+discordbot1> we should replace it with a scenario about how ogres lay eggs 20180719 14:41:39<+discordbot1> Instead of stealing Griffin eggs 20180719 14:41:43<+discordbot1> this time you steal Ogre eggs 20180719 14:42:19<+discordbot1> ahahaha 20180719 14:42:23<+discordbot1> i was thinking the exact same 20180719 14:44:02<+discordbot1> Ogre campaign where you get hatched 20180719 14:44:09<+discordbot1> but some humans stole your egg, right 20180719 14:44:19<+discordbot1> so you join a human bandit gang 20180719 14:44:28<+discordbot1> and rise to the top 20180719 14:44:29<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469514868005797888/unknown.png 20180719 14:45:13<+discordbot1> again, Shadow is a different person 20180719 14:45:28<+discordbot1> Didn't you say they've been inactive for years? 20180719 14:45:37<+discordbot1> yeah 20180719 14:45:43<+discordbot1> Respect your ancestors. 20180719 14:45:49<+discordbot1> Given that context I think it's appropriate? 20180719 14:45:49<+discordbot1> You're a dwarf. You should know this. 20180719 15:06:16-!- TheRuralJuror [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 15:30:40-!- TheRuralJuror is now known as Haudegen 20180719 15:46:06<+discordbot1> the Armageddon imps look insanely cool 20180719 15:46:12<+discordbot1> their description is insanely cool 20180719 15:46:17<+discordbot1> but their attacks seem... meh? 20180719 15:46:34<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k8hvlr 20180719 15:47:04<+discordbot1> lol 20180719 15:47:15<+discordbot1> this is why I have a hard time playing anything but the default era 20180719 15:47:58<+discordbot1> I'd expect it to be a bit more 20180719 15:48:19<+discordbot1> cause seems like getting it from a lvl 0 imp up to lvl 4 20180719 15:48:22<+discordbot1> would be pretty hard 20180719 15:48:41<+discordbot1> :thonk: 20180719 15:53:22<+discordbot1> I think Scepter of Fire is the one truly "presentable" campaign 20180719 15:53:53<+discordbot1> long time since i played it, but there aren't weak points - good characters, good dialogue, joined well into the lore, and most of all, good gameplay 20180719 15:54:37<+discordbot1> Hammer of Thursagan is nice 20180719 15:54:41<+discordbot1> but the ending kinda sucks 20180719 15:54:47<+discordbot1> i thought hammer was bad 20180719 15:54:57<+discordbot1> and the ending was defeintieley very bad 20180719 15:55:01<+discordbot1> I dunno. I liked it but it was my first campaign so 20180719 15:55:02<+discordbot1> x) 20180719 15:55:06<+discordbot1> South Guard is bae 20180719 16:13:25-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-yvoxmxosdbmhevoe] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 16:16:49<+discordbot1> hey 20180719 16:17:01<+discordbot1> im upset 20180719 16:17:17<+discordbot1> so the canon for Under the Burning Suns is helping the dwarves? 20180719 16:17:24<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜  20180719 16:24:01<+discordbot1> according to IftU yeah 20180719 16:24:13<+discordbot1> but the Sojournings of Grog assumes the opposite 20180719 16:27:38<+discordbot1> disgustang 20180719 16:27:53<+discordbot1> tbh I would've sided with the dwarves if i got a thunderer instead of a shieldboye 20180719 16:28:00<+discordbot1> I love how hex-shaped it is 20180719 16:28:18<+discordbot1> the Armageddon Imp 20180719 16:28:40<+discordbot1> I think that was made before units were allowed to exceed the hex 20180719 16:29:10<+discordbot1> haha yeah i didn't notice that 20180719 16:29:15<+discordbot1> it's sort of crouching over 20180719 16:29:25<+discordbot1> whoa i never noticed that! i won't be able to unsee that ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180719 16:29:35<+discordbot1> like a condesending father talking to his kid about how its not right to hit others 20180719 16:29:36<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180719 16:36:57<+discordbot1> units should've stayed hex-sized 20180719 16:37:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 16:37:15<+discordbot1> at least the Fire Dragon is - well done, of course - but really ugly in context. 20180719 16:37:30<+discordbot1> it obviously does not mesh with the rest of the game, with its odd size 20180719 16:39:13< Ravana_> people have complained how with 1.13 bar location depends on image size 20180719 16:41:23<+discordbot1> Hammer of Thursagan ... no untelegraphed surprises, but the last scenario is a very repetitive grinder (plan on at least 175 turns). 20180719 16:42:14<+discordbot1> not just that - it is impossible to lose that scenario 20180719 16:42:25<+discordbot1> because you can just wait till you have more gold, forever 20180719 16:42:42<+discordbot1> iirc 20180719 16:49:00<+discordbot1> I would have to disagree there, but you would have to play moderately badly before that point to enable losing. If you actually need to recruit/recall low-experience L1 units (either because of failure to conserve them earlier, or failure to rotate to healing properly) then the path to losing is open. 20180719 17:16:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 17:16:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 17:23:53-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180719 17:32:35<+discordbot1> does anyone want to talk? 20180719 17:33:03<+discordbot1> Depends on the subject, I think. 20180719 17:33:10<+discordbot1> I don't care 20180719 17:33:14<+discordbot1> about the cubject 20180719 17:33:17<+discordbot1> subject 20180719 17:33:34<+discordbot1> do you play visual novels @jyrkive 20180719 17:33:43<+discordbot1> Yes, I do. 20180719 17:34:08<+discordbot1> i used to look down on japanese culture; i still mostly dislike it but Saya No Uta and Symphonic Rain were good 20180719 17:34:57<+discordbot1> I can't comment on them, unfortunately. Haven't read either. 20180719 17:35:07<+discordbot1> oh, both are very good 20180719 17:36:15<+discordbot1> The stuff I have read is the Grisaia trilogy, Umineko, Tomoyo After, Little Busters, and Steins;Gate. 20180719 17:36:37<+discordbot1> Umineko! I read that, although I did not entirely liked it, I skipped a lot 20180719 17:36:43<+discordbot1> Very good music though 20180719 17:37:30<+discordbot1> It had way too many deus ex machinas for my taste. :/ 20180719 17:38:21<+discordbot1> i think the point of murder mysteries is that, ultimately the author gets to group people together in a room, just so that his mystery could happen 20180719 17:38:25<+discordbot1> I have started to think I might actually like some simple slice-of-life moege. At least I'd be free of supernatural stuff that way. 20180719 17:38:48<+discordbot1> or group them in specifically chosen smaller groups, etc 20180719 17:39:05<+discordbot1> I added Wagamama High Spec and Princess Evangile to my backlog recently (although it will be months until I'll get around the reading either). 20180719 17:39:42<+discordbot1> i do think all the part of umineko outisde of the murder mysteries themselves was a bit bad, mostly skipped that 20180719 17:40:43<+discordbot1> Wait, so I'm playing through :sof: 20180719 17:40:54<+discordbot1> Gryphons can TALK? 20180719 17:41:14<+discordbot1> Splits opinions, I guess. My problem with supernatural stuff is mainloy that it makes everything so freaking unpredictable when the writer can do whatever he wants. 20180719 17:41:24<+discordbot1> what 20180719 17:41:35<+discordbot1> the entire point of umineko was that witches/magic are NOT real 20180719 17:41:44<+discordbot1> Which, in turn, results in me taking some distance from the characters so that I don't care as much about what happens. 20180719 17:41:44<+discordbot1> there is no supernatural stuff 20180719 17:42:45<+discordbot1> you at least know this: only the Main Character's perspective is reliable, yes? All the magic that happens when the Main Character is not present, is just fluff and irrelevant to the mystery 20180719 17:43:03<+discordbot1> and when the Main Character is present, curiously no magic happens at all 20180719 17:43:09<+discordbot1> this begs the question... is the rider or the Grpyhon intelligent and resillient 20180719 17:43:10<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469559834581139476/unknown.png 20180719 17:43:35<+discordbot1> if you can call those random noises talking 20180719 17:43:46<+discordbot1> That's in the "piece world". Most of the story takes place in the "higher world", especially in the second part. 20180719 17:43:51<+discordbot1> They definitely talk in SOF! 20180719 17:44:00<+discordbot1> ah yes, i skipped the second half mostly 20180719 17:44:07<+discordbot1> yeah Krawg, he's really annoying 20180719 17:44:08<+discordbot1> i agree that it was annoying in exactly the way you describe 20180719 17:44:30<+discordbot1> still, the first half stands up by itself 20180719 17:44:48<+discordbot1> i only watched the anime for Umineko...not recommended, it was bad 20180719 17:44:55<+discordbot1> though i heard the VN is good 20180719 17:45:03<+discordbot1> Blarum if most of the mainline's are bad as you say, what's an example of a great campaign? 20180719 17:45:27<+discordbot1> @Varicks " are bad as you say" hm? 20180719 17:45:56<+discordbot1> are as bad as you say 20180719 17:46:03<+discordbot1> scepter of fire > descent into darkness > rise of wesnoth > liberty > two brothers > (the threshold of like and dislike) > under the burning suns > heir to the throne > hammer of thursagan > delfador's memoirs > northern rebirth i also played south guard, orcish incursion, eastern invasion and legend of wesmere, but i don't remember much, so they cannot have been very memorable 20180719 17:46:32<+discordbot1> No but you've said you dislike most of the mainline campaigns, so I'm asking what some good campaigns are 20180719 17:46:53<+discordbot1> scepter of fire, descent into darkness, rise of wesnoth, liberty are all good 20180719 17:47:26<+discordbot1> dead water is my favorite mainline campaign ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿฆ‘ 20180719 17:47:28<+discordbot1> and of UMC, Ooze Campaign and Elvish Dynasty are good 20180719 17:47:48<+discordbot1> i never finished dead water, i dont remember why, probably just lost the save? so i cannot judge it 20180719 17:49:19<+discordbot1> is your username inky because of inky's quest? ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180719 17:49:40<+discordbot1> it's actually from Dead Water's inky ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 17:49:54<+discordbot1> i replaced your avatar >:| 20180719 17:49:54<+discordbot1> I loved Inky's quest too! 20180719 17:50:08<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180719 17:50:15<+discordbot1> noooo 20180719 17:50:27<+discordbot1> I like the old tentacle sprite, I think it's cute ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180719 17:50:55<+discordbot1> i kind of liked it, but it no longer fit with jetrels style 20180719 17:51:21<+discordbot1> it will live on as my avatar! 20180719 17:51:27<+discordbot1> undeath! 20180719 17:52:00<+discordbot1> huh, we need a dead tentacle unit 20180719 17:52:08<+discordbot1> hm, true 20180719 17:52:11<+discordbot1> I guess tentacles killed with plauge turn into fish? 20180719 17:52:16<+discordbot1> wha 20180719 17:52:23<+discordbot1> there i no campaign where this could happen, is there? 20180719 17:52:25<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿฆ‘ -> ๐Ÿ  ? 20180719 17:52:31<+discordbot1> and this obviously cannot happen with Default 20180719 17:52:42<+discordbot1> no mainline cmapaign, at least 20180719 17:52:54<+discordbot1> maybe Inky's quest, where you can recruit tentacles 20180719 17:53:06<+discordbot1> does it have necromancers or WCs? 20180719 17:53:30<+discordbot1> the main villain is a lich so probably? 20180719 17:53:35<+discordbot1> oh 20180719 17:54:03<+discordbot1> btw who are you? c++ guy? 20180719 17:54:26<+discordbot1> ?? who, me? 20180719 17:54:28<+discordbot1> y 20180719 17:54:44<+discordbot1> I'm just a big fan of Wesnoth! I don't how to code 20180719 17:54:57<+discordbot1> oh, just asking cause your name was green 20180719 17:55:06<+discordbot1> she's a mod ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180719 17:55:22<+discordbot1> yeah project members are blue 20180719 17:55:25<+discordbot1> green = mod 20180719 17:55:42-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180719 17:55:45<+discordbot1> You can click anyone's username to see their roles. Inky has mod role, but not project member role. 20180719 17:55:58<+discordbot1> yeah but that does not tell me what she does 20180719 17:56:13<+discordbot1> Meanwhile, for example Vultraz has "Board", "Mod" and "Project member" roles. 20180719 17:56:14<+discordbot1> i creepily read that chat ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180719 17:56:23<+discordbot1> *the chat 20180719 17:56:43<+discordbot1> we tell people to follow the server rules ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180719 17:56:46<+discordbot1> i mean: c++ people, wml/lua people, artists, musicians - tha t is my intuitive division of people 20180719 17:56:56<+discordbot1> /writers, etc 20180719 17:57:01< Ravana_> that is only for forums 20180719 17:57:32<+discordbot1> yeah what i am saying is, that is what i was asking for ๐Ÿ˜‰ 20180719 17:57:54<+discordbot1> https://kwejk.pl/strona/36867 20180719 17:58:53<+discordbot1> as far as I know there aren't really any more musicians around 20180719 17:59:02<+discordbot1> and wesnoth never had any dedicated writers 20180719 17:59:13<+discordbot1> esr? 20180719 17:59:27<+discordbot1> I'll refrain from talking about his writing ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 17:59:35<+discordbot1> but he was DEDICATED ๐Ÿ˜› 20180719 17:59:42<+discordbot1> . . 20180719 17:59:45<+discordbot1> ๐Ÿ  20180719 17:59:46<+discordbot1> o o 20180719 17:59:46<+discordbot1> He is generally known as a programmer, too. 20180719 17:59:48<+discordbot1> NO 20180719 17:59:49<+discordbot1> INKY NO 20180719 17:59:50<+discordbot1> O O 20180719 17:59:59<+discordbot1> x_x 20180719 18:00:35<+discordbot1> @jyrkive in the context of wesnoth project: he made thot, he wrote some other things too? and he helped along a bit that guy who wanted to reimplement wesnoth in python but obviously was incompetent 20180719 18:00:43<+discordbot1> did he really contribute code tho? 20180719 18:04:09<+discordbot1> Blaru 20180719 18:04:13<+discordbot1> WHAT ABOUT THE BEST CAMPAIGn 20180719 18:04:16<+discordbot1> A quick search shows a bunch of WML commits: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commits?author=eric-s-raymond 20180719 18:04:16<+discordbot1> SOUTH GUARD 20180719 18:05:29<+discordbot1> oh 20180719 18:05:49<+discordbot1> I also recall seeing C++ commits when browsing source code history, but I'm less sure about them (and I joined the project long after he left). 20180719 18:10:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 18:21:10<+discordbot1> I still love that if you kill a rat 20180719 18:21:19<+discordbot1> in the spoopy woman necromancer campaign 20180719 18:21:25<+discordbot1> with a zombie or her staff 20180719 18:21:30<+discordbot1> it turns into a lizardman zombie 20180719 18:25:13<+discordbot1> void armour, drain potion, berserker potion elf hero 20180719 18:25:15<+discordbot1> vey nice 20180719 18:30:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 18:30:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 18:31:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180719 18:46:50<+discordbot1> oh dang wait 20180719 18:46:51<+discordbot1> Shadowm 20180719 18:46:55<+discordbot1> you here, bud? 20180719 18:53:15-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 19:05:11<+discordbot1> Oh no. 20180719 19:05:35<+discordbot1> :thonk: 20180719 19:05:40<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k8kcvp 20180719 19:05:43<+discordbot1> oh no what 20180719 19:06:03<+discordbot1> Should be changed 20180719 19:06:10<+discordbot1> "Damn creatures, you ate our eggs!" 20180719 19:06:27<+discordbot1> YOU MADE OMLETTES OUT OF MY EGGS 20180719 19:06:29<+discordbot1> I think most people would lose their teeth if they tried. 20180719 19:06:37<+discordbot1> what if 20180719 19:06:41<+discordbot1> they still ARE eggs 20180719 19:06:45<+discordbot1> its just a tough shell 20180719 19:06:54<+discordbot1> and if you kill a troll instead of blood its yol 20180719 19:06:54<+discordbot1> Someone suggested geodes last night. 20180719 19:06:55<+discordbot1> yolk 20180719 19:11:14<+discordbot1> At one point I suggested that perhaps they don't "reproduce" per se. 20180719 19:11:28<+discordbot1> But rather they have to build new trolls. 20180719 19:11:40<+discordbot1> my theory still stands 20180719 19:11:43<+discordbot1> cave bats poop a lot 20180719 19:11:47<+discordbot1> and over time the poop becomes a troll 20180719 19:11:53<+discordbot1> by stacking and stacking up 20180719 19:18:32<+discordbot1> ew 20180719 19:23:48<+discordbot1> would that suggest an inherent magical ability of Trolls? 20180719 19:24:22<+discordbot1> is there any mainline evidence to that sexual reproduction in Wesnoth exists at all? 20180719 19:24:24<+discordbot1> My headcanon is that they are actually faerie in nature so yes. 20180719 19:25:02<+discordbot1> any reference to a "mother" and "father" could refer to caretakers 20180719 19:25:26<+discordbot1> meanwhile, everyone reproduces by budding 20180719 19:25:59<+discordbot1> how about 20180719 19:26:14<+discordbot1> for humans 20180719 19:26:18<+discordbot1> they find kids in cabbage patches 20180719 19:26:22<+discordbot1> trolls find em under rocks 20180719 19:26:25<+discordbot1> i once posted an image depicting wesnothian reproduction but the fascists-that-be removed it 20180719 19:26:28<+discordbot1> dwarves find them from gemstones 20180719 19:26:37<+discordbot1> elves find them underneath tree roots 20180719 19:32:29-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 19:40:30<+discordbot1> OH 20180719 19:40:32<+discordbot1> TANSTAFAAL 20180719 19:40:37<+discordbot1> I REMEMBER NOW 20180719 19:41:35<+discordbot1> wat about him 20180719 19:47:27<+discordbot1> hes the lich minion 20180719 19:47:36<+discordbot1> when you fite with the orcy boye 20180719 19:47:48<+discordbot1> wasnt he in UTBS? 20180719 19:47:54<+discordbot1> yes 20180719 19:48:00<+discordbot1> also in Iftu 20180719 19:48:03<+discordbot1> oh yea 20180719 19:48:19<+discordbot1> IFTU is tied to UTBS tho so references to that dont surprise me 20180719 19:52:08<+discordbot1> hey my 20180719 19:52:10<+discordbot1> boner is dead now 20180719 19:52:19<+discordbot1> http://prntscr.com/k8ky2v 20180719 19:52:27<+discordbot1> how do they know alinde fought the warlord 20180719 19:52:37<+discordbot1> no one survived that thing, did they? 20180719 19:56:13<+discordbot1> They knew the Warlord was coming. 20180719 19:57:23<+discordbot1> "I shall obliterate every demon, every cultist, and every dark soldier who dares to approach this keep; and even if it is to be with my dying breath, I shall vanquish their Warlord, and turn fate in our favor." 20180719 19:58:21<+discordbot1> ah yeah sorry 20180719 19:58:34<+discordbot1> mb 20180719 20:07:45-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-yvoxmxosdbmhevoe] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180719 20:12:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 20:12:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 20:23:33-!- Jordys [~Jordys@154.68.5.52] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 20:37:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 20:37:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 20:38:54<+discordbot1> Regarding Troll kids being geodes at first. 20180719 20:39:26<+discordbot1> Anyone remember Trinity and how the life of the sleeping primevals was tied to those shiny stones? 20180719 20:39:56<+discordbot1> You could infer from there that some stones can hold life enery. 20180719 20:40:55<+discordbot1> And maybe if a stone has enough 'life', maybe imbued by nature or by trolls, it forms a the core of a troll whelp, growing until it's a complete troll whelp? 20180719 20:41:45<+discordbot1> And trolls made from similar stones or regional stones are connected more or less, e. g. because of the life imbuing, so they form a tribe? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180719 20:43:35-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 20:43:50<+discordbot1> Another way would be that the geode with 'life' starts growing a stone skin until it's a troll. 20180719 20:44:07<+discordbot1> Any like/dislike for that idea? 20180719 20:44:33< celticminstrel> Oh people are still discussing this, nice. 20180719 20:46:38< aeth> I think it makes a lot more sense that trolls have eggs that are indistinguishable from geodes than that trolls literally start as geodes. 20180719 20:46:52<+discordbot1> I like that idea more than mine. 20180719 20:46:56<+discordbot1> And it makes sense too. 20180719 20:47:45< aeth> The key is that the egg has to come from a troll, it's just that we can't tell them apart. 20180719 20:51:12< celticminstrel> Agreed. 20180719 20:51:54< celticminstrel> Note that geodes are mostly identified for what they're like when smashed/cut open, though. 20180719 20:52:04< celticminstrel> Can you identify something as a geode without opening it? 20180719 20:52:49<+discordbot1> Probably not. 20180719 20:53:10<+discordbot1> sniff it real hard 20180719 20:53:45<+discordbot1> Another thing maybe, Geodes that are actually eggs would maybe contain another precious stone inside, that contains most of the life energy of that unborn whelp? 20180719 20:54:47< celticminstrel> Not sure why that'd be necessary TBH... 20180719 21:03:35< aeth> celticminstrel: Well, yes, it would just look like a rock until you smash it. That's probably what the adaptation was going for. It's just a coincidence with the geode thing. 20180719 21:06:31<+discordbot1> celticministrel: So they can realise how much they screwed up by opening this geode and can be horrified because they killed a baby? 20180719 21:07:01<+discordbot1> And so they at least have a chance to discern a troll baby from a geode, by scanning it for life somehow. 20180719 21:07:57<+discordbot1> This all adds legitimacy to the "rock sucker" insult for dwarves 20180719 21:07:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.179.154.36] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 21:08:06<+discordbot1> and why trolls would hate dwarves because of it 20180719 21:14:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 21:14:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 21:27:39-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180719 21:34:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 21:34:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 21:52:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 21:52:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 22:00:56-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180719 22:02:58-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.179.154.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 22:03:57-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.179.154.36] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 22:04:32<+discordbot1> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF 20180719 22:04:34<+discordbot1> SHADOW WHY 20180719 22:04:55<+discordbot1> oh okay it gets better 20180719 22:05:03<+discordbot1> my heart dropped for a moment there 20180719 22:05:06<+discordbot1> cause that shit got too real for me 20180719 22:05:08<+discordbot1> wayy too real 20180719 22:05:11<+discordbot1> to my own life LMAO 20180719 22:05:54<+discordbot1> Do you mean shadowm? 20180719 22:07:19<+discordbot1> yes 20180719 22:09:42<+discordbot1> What 20180719 22:11:59<+discordbot1> My bets are on him talking about AtS 20180719 22:12:06<+discordbot1> No wait, IftU 20180719 22:12:14<+discordbot1> Tanstfaal was in IftU 20180719 22:12:26<+discordbot1> *Tanstafal 20180719 22:12:35<+discordbot1> And AtS is not on 1.14 yet. 20180719 22:12:48<+discordbot1> But it's still on 1.12. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180719 22:13:00<+discordbot1> What's 1.12 20180719 22:13:03<+discordbot1> Can I eat it? 20180719 22:15:26<+discordbot1> Well...if you can eat data then...I guess? 20180719 22:19:22<+discordbot1> the end 20180719 22:19:29<+discordbot1> the whole "I love you and I still do." 20180719 22:19:47<+discordbot1> Oh ok. 20180719 22:19:48<+discordbot1> because 20180719 22:19:54<+discordbot1> she reminded me of my psycho exgf 20180719 22:19:56<+discordbot1> and jeez 20180719 22:19:58<+discordbot1> that was not a good moment 20180719 22:24:49<+discordbot1> the way that was phrased jesus 20180719 22:24:52<+discordbot1> that legit knocked me out 20180719 22:24:58<+discordbot1> my juju is screwed lmao 20180719 22:38:34<+discordbot1> time for After the Storm 20180719 22:39:09<+discordbot1> it's not ported yet ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180719 22:39:20<+discordbot1> ah 20180719 22:39:23<+discordbot1> port it quick 20180719 22:39:24<+discordbot1> go go go 20180719 22:42:33<+discordbot1> What's the ETA on the port 20180719 22:42:43<+discordbot1> I'm emotionally invested in this campaign 20180719 22:42:51<+discordbot1> lol 20180719 22:42:53<+discordbot1> ask shadowm! 20180719 22:45:40<+discordbot1> @shdowm You are up. 20180719 22:45:44<+discordbot1> oops. 20180719 22:46:14-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 23:12:38<+discordbot1> That's it! I don't care if it doesn't make any sense! 20180719 23:12:42<+discordbot1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/469642765559529472/unknown.png 20180719 23:12:43<+discordbot1> Village overlay 20180719 23:12:46<+discordbot1> go 20180719 23:17:07<+discordbot1> it is in that chasm 20180719 23:17:21<+discordbot1> we will find the truth behind troll, ogre and wose reproduction 20180719 23:17:45<+discordbot1> I'm going in, and I'm not exactly eager. I'm doing this for the Wesnoth community 20180719 23:17:47<+discordbot1> wish me luck lads 20180719 23:28:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 23:28:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 23:35:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 23:36:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180719 23:45:43-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180719 23:51:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180719 23:51:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Jul 20 00:00:04 2018