--- Log opened Mon Jul 23 00:00:09 2018 20180723 00:00:19< celmin> Some are even doing things to save people. 20180723 00:00:29<+discordbot> @Konrad2 i meant the Dances With Smurfs movie 20180723 00:00:35< celmin> Only their way of saving people just happens to hurt other people. 20180723 00:01:00<+discordbot> I just think that most villains should have a purpose other than 'i'm evil becuz plot' 20180723 00:01:01<+discordbot> Yeah, I was just pointing out that some do. Basically being evil because they are evil. 20180723 00:01:32<+discordbot> I'm just not sure if 'I'm evil because I like that' is more acceptable. xD 20180723 00:03:23<+discordbot> ...isn't that a southpark episode? 20180723 00:03:28<+discordbot> @Not Hamel i got the idea that you were opposed to genuinely evil characters in general 20180723 00:03:30<+discordbot> So my searchmachine says. 20180723 00:04:02<+discordbot> @Konrad2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(2009_film) ... how did you miss that? it is one of the biggest blockbusters of the last decade 20180723 00:04:23<+discordbot> ...I was talking about Avatar, the series. 20180723 00:04:42<+discordbot> its plot is similar to the classic movie Dances With Wolves, except blue aliens instead of amerindians, hence "Dances With Smurfs" 20180723 00:04:58<+discordbot> And I don't know that classic. 😄 20180723 00:05:19<+discordbot> I'm not opposed to evil characters, as good v good can get a bit...bland. 20180723 00:05:59<+discordbot> last airbender series? 20180723 00:06:00<+discordbot> great one 20180723 00:07:30<+discordbot> There is also the evil guy who is easy because he doesn't care. 20180723 00:07:40<+discordbot> Freespirited to the extrem. 20180723 00:07:57<+discordbot> Gosh. 20180723 00:08:02<+discordbot> I can't write. 20180723 00:08:03<+discordbot> *evil 20180723 00:08:27<+discordbot> I feel like writing with autocorrection. But in my mind. 20180723 00:12:50<+discordbot> Right, before I go sleep, have some love for the series 'Galavant'. 20180723 00:14:22<+discordbot> Galavant? Isn't that a King Arthur knight or something? 20180723 00:14:29<+discordbot> Or was that Sir Gwain? 20180723 00:15:26< celmin> Galavant is not a Knight of the Round Table. 20180723 00:15:47< celmin> You might be thinking of Galahad, though he was a much later addition to the myth (originally his role was played by Sir Perceval). 20180723 00:16:02<+discordbot> Oh, alright. 20180723 00:16:06<+discordbot> My bad. 20180723 00:16:39< celmin> (So IOW, even if the Arthurian myths are based in fact, Galahad as a person probably never existed.) 20180723 00:16:58< celmin> There is also a Sir Gawain. 20180723 00:17:37< celmin> I can't remember but he has something to do with a Green Knight in Wales (either is the Green Knight or fought him). 20180723 00:17:39<+discordbot> Oh, is that the one who struck down the man in front of the wailing maiden or is that Perceval or another knight? 20180723 00:17:48< celmin> Uh. Not sure. 20180723 00:18:04< celmin> Could be Perceval? Maybe Lancelot? But again, not sure, I don't remember that story. 20180723 00:18:32<+discordbot> Alright. 20180723 00:18:49<+discordbot> I have a book on the Knights somewhere. King Arthur is one of my favorite old tales. 20180723 00:19:11< celmin> Yeah me too. 20180723 00:19:29< celmin> Even started writing my own take on it at one point 20180723 00:19:45<+discordbot> Oh, wow. 20180723 00:20:10< celmin> Might actually do that someday but I doubt it'll bear much resemblance to what I wrote before. 20180723 00:21:20<+discordbot> DonÄt 20180723 00:21:34<+discordbot> *Don't forget Galavant, :C 20180723 00:21:37<+discordbot> *- 20180723 00:21:40<+discordbot> Gosh 20180723 00:21:42<+discordbot> *. 20180723 00:21:43< celmin> ??? 20180723 00:21:51<+discordbot> The series! 20180723 00:21:52<+discordbot> xD 20180723 00:21:56<+discordbot> To watch it. 20180723 00:21:58< celmin> Yeah never heard of it. 20180723 00:22:44<+discordbot> Have fun watching it then? 20180723 00:23:34< celmin> ... 20180723 00:25:03<+discordbot> >.< 20180723 00:25:54<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWnDwM0RSX4 20180723 00:26:07<+discordbot> Am I allowed to post that? 20180723 00:26:24<+discordbot> I think the King Arthur legends may have inspired part of my series, as they are a set of medieval-fantasy based war novels. 20180723 00:27:50< celmin> Novels!? 20180723 00:27:59< celmin> Published ones? 20180723 00:28:04<+discordbot> Not yet. 20180723 00:28:08< celmin> Aww. 20180723 00:28:14< celmin> Well I'm not published yet either, so... 20180723 00:28:17<+discordbot> Aiming to publish the first two in 6-8 months. 20180723 00:28:24< celmin> Don't even have a publisher. 20180723 00:28:33<+discordbot> iirc some other wesnoth people (self-)published fantasy novels 20180723 00:28:54<+discordbot> cant remember who though 20180723 00:28:55<+discordbot> Been planning it for roughly three years, so thought I would start. 20180723 00:29:00< celmin> Self-publishing a) feels less legitimate b) is a lot more work because you have to do all the promotion and such yourself. 20180723 00:29:09< celmin> b) is the more important of those two points. 20180723 00:30:45<+discordbot> @shadowm It would be cool if updates could be delayed until the announcement has been made. I think that would just feel better. 20180723 00:31:24< celmin> Like Steam updates? 20180723 00:31:34< celmin> Personally I don't think that's necessary though. 20180723 00:31:44< celmin> Mind you I still haven't gotten it on Steam (I did download 1.14.3 recently though). 20180723 00:31:46<+discordbot> celmin, i think it is primarily a self-expression kind of thing for a new writer - the point is to "have it out there", not necessarily that many people would read it 20180723 00:32:05<+discordbot> Yeah. I don't think either that it is necessary, just that it would feel better. 20180723 00:32:26< celmin> @blarumyrran - Yeah, I understand that. I think that works best for electronic formats, mind you. 20180723 00:32:47< celmin> But certainly exposure is important. 20180723 00:33:29-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180723 00:34:25<+discordbot> Celmin: I would aim for self publishment if I could afford and advertise such a matter. For now, I'll aim for a publisher of a company of some sort. 20180723 00:34:52<+discordbot> I think Temuchin Khan self-published a novel with romans or vikings or both in it? 20180723 00:35:28<+discordbot> cannot find a link to it though 20180723 00:35:53<+discordbot> @Konrad2 This isn't about being showy with announcements and stuff I'm afraid. 20180723 00:36:05<+discordbot> It's more crucial to get them out first. 20180723 00:37:45<+discordbot> @blarumyrran If you have the link, I'd be glad to check it out, I like reviewing novels. 20180723 00:38:22<+discordbot> Why? (I really don't know.) 20180723 01:03:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 01:03:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 01:16:39<+discordbot> my 20180723 01:16:45<+discordbot> everything isso bugged 🤞🏾 20180723 01:17:11<+discordbot> oof 20180723 01:23:31<+discordbot> it would be neat to have Statistics for all players, not just self 20180723 01:23:58<+discordbot> not in scenarios with fog and shroud for self, of course 20180723 01:25:58-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:8454:fa8b:a665:2d5c] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 01:26:12-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:8454:fa8b:a665:2d5c] has left #wesnoth [] 20180723 01:57:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 01:57:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 01:59:03<+discordbot> wait 20180723 01:59:08<+discordbot> what happened to Lorenzon 20180723 01:59:11<+discordbot> or whatver 20180723 01:59:12<+discordbot> lol 20180723 01:59:18<+discordbot> why am i Belleros 20180723 01:59:25<+discordbot> and what happened 20180723 01:59:26<+discordbot> to the woman 20180723 01:59:27<+discordbot> who i didnt have 20180723 02:00:57<+discordbot> and what happened to the woman who i didnt have that sounds poetic 20180723 02:01:32<+discordbot> thank 20180723 02:01:49<+discordbot> yw 20180723 02:32:24-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20180723 02:37:08<+discordbot> do you folks take donations anywhere? i forget if i already asked this 20180723 02:37:28<+discordbot> Not at the moment, no. 20180723 02:37:35<+discordbot> understood 20180723 03:20:15<+discordbot> this game rocks socks 20180723 03:20:26<+discordbot> best thing i've played since Sengoku Rance 20180723 03:36:50-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 03:36:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 03:46:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 03:46:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 04:24:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 04:24:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 05:01:17-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180723 05:02:04<+discordbot> wait 20180723 05:02:09<+discordbot> ewhere do i move 20180723 05:02:11<+discordbot> with Raenna 20180723 05:02:22<+discordbot> when i have the mysterious object 20180723 05:02:24<+discordbot> the one thats gonna blow 20180723 05:02:26<+discordbot> ? 20180723 05:08:13-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 05:37:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180723 05:45:47-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 06:29:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 06:48:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 06:48:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 07:02:17-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 07:05:36<+discordbot> It would be so great to have the option to let units "attack" friendly units. This could then be connected to events, e.g. a Dwarvish Runemaster that enchants the weapons of a friendly Dwarvish Fighter, boosting his damage for a turn by +3 or so 20180723 07:10:10-!- Guest34158 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 07:23:24<+discordbot> could set a custom menu item for that 20180723 07:27:18<+discordbot> UI support for that would be greater, imo. I really dislike the rightclick menu. Looks so messy 20180723 07:33:58< zookeeper> so if a unit X was able to attack unit Y (however that would be specified), then you'd have to deselect X before you could select Y with a left-click? 20180723 07:35:13< zookeeper> (i wouldn't mind having that functionality) 20180723 07:36:57<+discordbot> Uh right, didn't think about that, but your suggestions sounds reasonable 20180723 07:44:24<+discordbot> Question 20180723 07:44:36<+discordbot> I noticed on the wesnoth ladder that Cackfiend is rated a whopping 2400+!!! WHAT 20180723 07:44:42<+discordbot> Is he like the best player in the game ?? 20180723 07:44:45<+discordbot> that is crazy high 20180723 07:56:39-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 07:58:07-!- archfate [~Empty@udp252125uds.hawaiiantel.net] has left #wesnoth ["Leaving"] 20180723 07:59:03-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fwxchapmrhhzjjyg] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 08:35:18-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 08:51:29-!- Guest34158 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 09:26:06<+discordbot> Hello 20180723 09:45:49-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 09:45:55-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 10:00:30<+discordbot> Hey! ❤️❤️ 20180723 10:08:54<+discordbot> What's up ? 20180723 10:13:03<+discordbot> Nothing too much... Played first ladder wesnoth game in a long time 😘 😚 20180723 10:13:19<+discordbot> How are you doing fellow Polish friend?? :)) 20180723 10:13:40<+discordbot> Fine, chilling and doing some math 20180723 10:13:50<+discordbot> Im going to watch you 20180723 10:13:56<+discordbot> Aww its good to be busy, so thats sweet!! ❤️❤️ 20180723 10:13:57<+discordbot> Oh 20180723 10:14:03<+discordbot> I already played it a couple hours ago 20180723 10:14:14<+discordbot> I'm resting in bed now xPP 20180723 10:14:16<+discordbot> Oh then i will watch it latter 😄 20180723 10:14:33<+discordbot> 😙😀😆 20180723 10:16:14<+discordbot> And Im drinking some ice tea and eating panna cotta. 👌 20180723 10:17:08<+discordbot> Ice ☕️ like that shaken double peach ice black tea from starbucks? 20180723 10:17:38<+discordbot> No, Lipton Lemon ice tea 20180723 10:17:45<+discordbot> Woah I just realized u said panna cotta!!! 😋 ❤️🧡❤️😍 20180723 10:17:48<+discordbot> YUMMM 20180723 10:17:58<+discordbot> ahh x3 20180723 10:18:30<+discordbot> I dont know if i want to come back to panna cotta 😉 20180723 10:18:47<+discordbot> Why not ? 20180723 10:19:28<+discordbot> I actually considered eating crappy jailfood and things like that.. because when u get used to it and start eating like good sliced bread again and stuff 20180723 10:19:37<+discordbot> then it will start tasting like a sweetbread thing 20180723 10:20:26<+discordbot> imagine eating jailfood for 5 years and then deciding to eat panna cotta or like some birthday cake xD 20180723 10:20:48<+discordbot> Wouldnt it be too sweet ? 20180723 10:20:51<+discordbot> YUMMM!!!!!! 20180723 10:20:56<+discordbot> Yeah lol xD 20180723 10:21:27<+discordbot> Well some time ago i was called on server pannacotta boy by cherry boy. 😛 20180723 10:21:40<+discordbot> LOL 😇😇🥄🥄🥄🥄🥄 20180723 10:22:12<+discordbot> Sweet 20180723 10:24:18<+discordbot> You sweet... :) 20180723 10:25:30<+discordbot> Sweet :))) 20180723 10:25:30<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/470899243897454593/image.jpg 20180723 10:26:05<+discordbot> Of course im sweet. And cute. 20180723 10:26:14<+discordbot> Parrot. 😄 20180723 10:26:17<+discordbot> AWWWWW ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ :) 20180723 10:26:27<+discordbot> Lol that is me by the way xPP 20180723 10:26:33<+discordbot> God my eyes look so shallow.. 20180723 10:26:36<+discordbot> I am extremely tired 20180723 10:27:10<+discordbot> You should rest then. 😃 20180723 10:27:20<+discordbot> :) I guess I should.. 20180723 10:27:47<+discordbot> Alright take care Hejnewar and Rory!! kiss goodnight x33 20180723 10:28:07<+discordbot> Bye 20180723 10:28:18<+discordbot> Goodnight 20180723 11:35:52<+discordbot> What kind of update would have to happen for it to be called Wesnoth 2.x.? 20180723 11:36:17<+discordbot> 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 20180723 11:37:02<+discordbot> spooky question 20180723 11:37:45<+discordbot> Why would you say so? ._. 20180723 11:38:03<+discordbot> apparently it's been debated about a lot among devs 20180723 11:38:13<+discordbot> without firm conclusion 20180723 11:39:29<+discordbot> Huh. Do you have an opinion? xD 20180723 11:40:03<+discordbot> Regarding the question. 20180723 11:40:11<+discordbot> I don't doubt you have generally an opinion. 20180723 11:41:09<+discordbot> Yumi isn't a developer. Even if she had an opinion, it wouldn't matter. 20180723 11:41:43<+discordbot> I'm not asking because it matters in the greater scheme. 20180723 11:41:50<+discordbot> I'm asking because I'm interested. 20180723 11:42:02<+discordbot> I can't even imagine it, but maybe she can? 20180723 11:42:43<+discordbot> I'm a potato 20180723 11:42:47<+discordbot> My opinion is that the threshold to change the first digit should be lower. 20180723 11:42:53<+discordbot> potatoes don't have opinions 20180723 11:43:08<+discordbot> What even is the point of the leading 1 if it just stays there? 20180723 11:43:18<+discordbot> But potatoes are yumi. 20180723 11:43:21<+discordbot> I'm pretty sure that Human/Faerie potatos have an opinion. 20180723 11:44:06<+discordbot> But lower than what? I thought you don't have a defnite threshold? 20180723 11:44:43<+discordbot> At least the threshold is high enough that it hasn't been reached yet. 20180723 11:45:24<+discordbot> Do you think that 1.15/1.16 would be a good treshold? With new UI and that. 20180723 11:45:32<+discordbot> (If I got that right?) 20180723 11:45:39<+discordbot> Yes, assuming that it indeed reaches its goals. 20180723 11:56:03-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 12:02:03<+discordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.14/changelog.md (I know that this is probably not the finalized version.) 20180723 12:02:31<+discordbot> There is a typo for the fixed issue of DM. It's issue 3277, not 3722. 20180723 12:14:31<+discordbot> Thanks, fixed. 20180723 12:19:24<+discordbot> The point of the 1 is to account for the effort in promoting from 0. 20180723 12:19:57<+discordbot> It doesn't take to be developer to know that! 20180723 12:43:29-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-164-168.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 12:51:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 12:52:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 12:53:09<+discordbot> the threshold for 2.0 is generally considered to be live action cutscenes. 20180723 12:53:29<+discordbot> all story images will be replaced by short movies of larpers larping with foam swords 20180723 12:54:53<+discordbot> skeletons will be depicted by plastic skeletons with strings attached to bones. 20180723 12:57:02<+discordbot> drakes are more difficult. the income from iphone port will go towards buying dragon fursuits: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/b5/d0/9cb5d06f4d81774a16d48474137d18ea.jpg 20180723 12:57:15<+discordbot> however, they are expensive, that's why there are no mainline drake campaigns yet. 20180723 12:57:47<+discordbot> whoa 20180723 12:57:54<+discordbot> dragon fursuits are a thing 20180723 12:57:57<+discordbot> i never knew 20180723 12:59:57<+discordbot> Awful 20180723 13:00:40<+discordbot> majestic 20180723 13:01:07<+discordbot> No 20180723 13:02:13<+discordbot> @Rory In case it's not clear to you, blarumyrran isn't a developer (or serious, for that matter). 20180723 13:02:28<+discordbot> ;_; 20180723 13:02:58<+discordbot> one day, i will find a typo in a comment, somewhere inside c++ code 20180723 13:03:11<+discordbot> and i will fix it! then i will be a DeVeLoPeR 20180723 13:03:17<+discordbot> a c++ developer 20180723 13:03:35<+discordbot> maybe 20180723 13:03:47<+discordbot> or you could do a campaign thing and start with that 20180723 13:03:51<+discordbot> Around here, the definition for "developer" is "someone with ability to make code changes directly". 20180723 13:04:03<+discordbot> We haven't sunk as low as to grant that power for one typo fix. 😛 20180723 13:04:48<+discordbot> I think white colour is enough to state that, or developers have sometimes white colour too? 20180723 13:05:34<+discordbot> All developers with active Discord accounts have blue, green or red color. 20180723 13:06:06<+discordbot> Although there are also some who use IRC (their messages are visible here thanks to the bridge bot, but they obviously can't have colored nicknames). 20180723 13:06:52<+discordbot> Thank you for explanation. 20180723 13:08:02<+discordbot> I think at least some campaigns might make for a good series plot or something 20180723 13:10:09<+discordbot> idea to cut on costs: instead of buying multiple dragon fursuits to depict different drakes, you could use a single one but in rooms with differently colored lighting 20180723 13:10:41<+discordbot> the limitation being, that you can then have only one drake on screen at a time, unless you do clever editing 20180723 13:11:29<+discordbot> You could just use some editing magic and make 3ish actors turn into like 50 drakes 20180723 13:11:53<+discordbot> right, but they should look different, i am talking of named characters 20180723 13:11:57<+discordbot> hence colored lighting 20180723 13:12:35<+discordbot> or you could just do something and get profit to buy more fursuits 20180723 13:14:05<+discordbot> there is only so much money, and there are other places to spend it. for example, none of the developers are dwarfs, probably 20180723 13:14:11<+discordbot> so you would have to hire real dwarfs 20180723 13:14:18<+discordbot> for scepter of fire 20180723 13:14:24<+discordbot> or just do some editing magic 20180723 13:14:36<+discordbot> if i remember right gimli is a really tall boi irl 20180723 13:14:43<+discordbot> but in lotr he's tiny boi 20180723 13:15:13<+discordbot> wesnoth is an elitary game, its players only deserve the best. no fake editing. real dwarfs. 20180723 13:16:07<+discordbot> boi 20180723 13:18:46<+discordbot> then by that logic we need to make real lizards carry spears 20180723 13:20:01<+discordbot> https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8336/8421894407_0ae4fc1f7f_b.jpg 20180723 13:20:09<+discordbot> no. lizard fursuits. 20180723 13:20:44<+discordbot> oh dear 20180723 13:20:56<+discordbot> >concerned.exe 20180723 13:23:03<+discordbot> how would we do the orcs then? orc fursuits? 20180723 13:23:10<+discordbot> there is no such thing 20180723 13:23:16<+discordbot> good 20180723 13:24:22<+discordbot> Are you some kind of furry lover? 20180723 13:24:36<+discordbot> im a fighter not a lover 20180723 13:25:13<+discordbot> @Rory me, no. but i'm unsure about blarumyrran here. 20180723 13:26:06<+discordbot> That's why i asked. I was unsure about that. 20180723 13:26:16<+discordbot> i am as well 20180723 13:26:26<+discordbot> also i am slightly concerned for blaru 20180723 13:27:14<+discordbot> well, orcs are just really angry looking humans essentially 20180723 13:27:21<+discordbot> perhaps nothing in particular is needed for them 20180723 13:27:31<+discordbot> what 20180723 13:27:32<+discordbot> no 20180723 13:27:50<+discordbot> i kinda wonder who first came up with the first orc like thing 20180723 13:27:56<+discordbot> tolkien 20180723 13:28:10<+discordbot> but what inspired tolkien's orcs? 20180723 13:28:20<+discordbot> there was no very close inspiration 20180723 13:28:40<+discordbot> he mostly made them up. they are a bit like demons, a bit like the soldiers of totalitarian russia and germany 20180723 13:29:09<+discordbot> okay i was just wondering who decided to grab a werewolf and a human then thought 'hmm yes these belong together' and combined them 20180723 13:30:41<+discordbot> his point for them was that orcs are a (evil) mockery of elves, like trolls are a (evil) mockery of ents 20180723 13:31:02<+discordbot> then what's the evil mockery of dwarves? 20180723 13:31:15<+discordbot> i don't think there was one 20180723 13:32:03<+discordbot> perhaps orcs are also a bit like industrial workers 20180723 13:32:55<+discordbot> tolkien was a snob, after all, and orcs came from isengard which symbolized everything unlikeable about industrial progress 20180723 13:32:57<+discordbot> sir i would advise you to not make this a political subject 20180723 13:34:24<+discordbot> very well, let's get back to talking about wesnoth cutscenes with fursuits and foam swords 20180723 13:35:31<+discordbot> goblins can be infants. goblin wolfrider can be an infant attached to the back of a dog 20180723 13:36:46<+discordbot> what do we do with the spider then? spider fursuit? 20180723 13:36:55<+discordbot> oh, i have to look that up 20180723 13:37:20<+discordbot> http://www.forestpuppets.com/data/characters/rantula/rantula-main.jpg 20180723 13:37:25<+discordbot> I bet your googling history puts you to some list. 😛 20180723 13:39:25< zookeeper> we can use the same dogs as spiders, just buy this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV6yEOP8gdc 20180723 13:39:41<+discordbot> oh, good point 20180723 13:41:02<+discordbot> one of the better videos i have seen 20180723 13:41:40<+discordbot> who do we hire to play Konrad? Vultraz or something? 20180723 13:43:43<+discordbot> Uhm. 20180723 13:44:06<+discordbot> You called? 20180723 13:44:10<+discordbot> oh 20180723 13:44:30<+discordbot> we could hire konrad2 maybe 20180723 13:44:54<+discordbot> but whomst would be kalenz? 20180723 13:44:56<+discordbot> horses are on one hand accessible, on the other hand, i don't trust wesnoth developers to do fighting scenes with them 20180723 13:46:03-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4dbaff94.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 13:46:10<+discordbot> wait 20180723 13:46:17<+discordbot> how would we pay said people? 20180723 13:46:29<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3ybxXaVOg perhaps something like this 20180723 13:47:38<+discordbot> the people inside the horse would need to be really strong though, if someone is going to sit saddled on the horse. 20180723 13:53:51<+discordbot> @Not Hamel by not buying multiple dragon suits. 20180723 13:54:02<+discordbot> @blarumyrran 20180723 13:54:10<+discordbot> oops hit enter too quick 20180723 13:54:37<+discordbot> how about we do something to make profit so we can have dragon suits and actors? 20180723 13:55:36<+discordbot> Young one, you may not know this, but once Wesnoth gained income by selling thongs with Lisar picture on it 20180723 13:55:53<+discordbot> wait what 20180723 13:56:15<+discordbot> sir 20180723 13:56:22<+discordbot> sir are you sure you're okay? 20180723 13:56:41<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=9847 20180723 13:56:53<+discordbot> (i was not kidding) 20180723 13:57:44<+discordbot> or perhaps there was t-shirts with lisar picture on it, and thongs only had the wesnoth emblem? still 20180723 13:58:03<+discordbot> Oh 20180723 13:59:33-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 14:32:27-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fwxchapmrhhzjjyg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180723 14:34:06-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-164-168.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20180723 14:38:00-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 14:46:58-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180723 14:53:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 14:58:00<+discordbot> If anyone's googling history would put them on a list it'd be mine 20180723 14:58:34<+discordbot> “critical mass of uranium 235” “how to kill my kids” “what is highest laminar flame speed explosive” “when do you need incest” “how to fusion enrich nukes” 20180723 14:58:37<+discordbot> Don't worry 20180723 14:58:47<+discordbot> It's just Crusader Kings 2 20180723 14:58:51<+discordbot> OH 20180723 14:58:55<+discordbot> sir 20180723 14:58:56<+discordbot> sir 20180723 14:58:59<+discordbot> do you need help 20180723 14:59:06<+discordbot> sir i am concerned 20180723 14:59:13<+discordbot> And Children of a dead earth 20180723 14:59:26<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 does reading highschool physics books put you on a list :thonk: 20180723 14:59:29<+discordbot> sir i am concerned, do you need help? 20180723 14:59:44<+discordbot> Nah 20180723 15:00:01<+discordbot> If you could tell me the critical mass of uranium 235 though that's helpful 20180723 15:00:40<+discordbot> it's not a simple number iirc 20180723 15:00:49<+discordbot> depends on shape and other things 20180723 15:02:18<+discordbot> Playing Crusader Kings makes you Google otherwise unorthodox things 20180723 15:02:25<+discordbot> "How to castrate my prisoners" 20180723 15:02:37<+discordbot> "why should I marry my sister?" 20180723 15:02:56<+discordbot> if you want a realistic number, then just look up specific bombs 20180723 15:03:26<+discordbot> Little Boy (hiroshima): "It contained 64 kg (141 lb) of enriched uranium, of which less than a kilogram underwent nuclear fission." 20180723 15:03:30<+discordbot> sir i am very concerned 20180723 15:15:52<+discordbot> One of my friends wants to make a campaign with me lmao 20180723 15:16:03<+discordbot> But is two people campaigns really doable? As in developing them? 20180723 15:16:23<+discordbot> For the first draft, yes. 20180723 15:17:33<+discordbot> Just use common sense with enemies and terrain, use Wesnoth geography, and try to not use shallow villains. 20180723 15:26:59<+discordbot> most campaigns are developed by 1 person 20180723 15:29:11<+discordbot> Also please explain the important stuff 20180723 15:29:20<+discordbot> unlike what they did in EI 20180723 15:29:32<+discordbot> 'oh let's just abandon the kingdom and go north' 20180723 15:30:16<+discordbot> i have never developed a campaign, but imo the 2 biggest problems with inexperienced campaign developers are: 20180723 15:30:38<+discordbot> 1) everything is too big - too large maps, too many scenarios, too much gold 20180723 15:31:21<+discordbot> 2) too much concern about where it fits in wesnoth history 20180723 15:32:44<+discordbot> Why is wesnoth's Cuttle Fish spelled in two words? Google says it is written together 20180723 15:34:22<+discordbot> Dunno. And I think another problem might be rewriting elements already in lore just to fit the plot. 20180723 15:40:20<+discordbot> i find it easier to have it take place in a new universe if youre in the mood to make your own lore instead of trying to fit it in Wesnoth's lore 20180723 15:40:46<+discordbot> I do enjoy writing lore. 20180723 15:41:18<+discordbot> I remember one night, I stayed up the whole night just to put together and finalize a timeline for a work I had been working on for a few years. 20180723 15:41:36<+discordbot> The timeline has like a bajillion comments but it's done for now 20180723 15:42:11<+discordbot> wesnoth has many islands 20180723 15:42:22<+discordbot> for example, do vampires exist in wesnoth? 20180723 15:42:23<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 15:42:35<+discordbot> not in canon 20180723 15:42:37<+discordbot> well 20180723 15:42:38<+discordbot> exactly 1 vampire lady does, and she has her own island 20180723 15:42:43<+discordbot> wait 20180723 15:42:45<+discordbot> oh 20180723 15:42:53<+discordbot> if you want to fit something into wesnoth, just put it on some nameless island 20180723 15:43:42<+discordbot> drakes are only very slightly unintegrated into wesnoth lore 20180723 15:43:51<+discordbot> but they are there, because they are on some islands, probably 20180723 15:44:03<+discordbot> only very slightly integrated* 20180723 15:45:12<+discordbot> well, there also has to be a reason why said island hasn't been found in canon 20180723 15:46:06<+discordbot> you could use some plot device like 'whenever the sailors or merfolk got close to the Isle, harsh winds and waves, with the cold seas made sure they didn't reach the isle' 20180723 15:46:20<+discordbot> but then you'd have to explain why this island has very harsh wind 20180723 15:46:45<+discordbot> "well, there also has to be a reason why said island hasn't been found in canon" no there doesn't 20180723 15:47:11<+discordbot> the sea is full of tentacles and sea serpents, there are lots of islands around! 20180723 15:47:21<+discordbot> u can use to suggest ur quoting somebody 20180723 15:47:53<+discordbot> 1) that may annoy irc people 2) quation marks are faster 20180723 15:48:04<+discordbot> quotation 20180723 15:48:05<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180723 15:48:05<+discordbot> well it'd be better if you explained why it hadn't, imho 20180723 15:48:14<+discordbot> for sure 20180723 15:50:08<+discordbot> Or you could just put it in the south-west coast because nobody really lives south of the Black River. 20180723 15:50:32<+discordbot> [and by south-west, i mean far south-west, like on the full map] 20180723 15:53:18<+discordbot> Or alternatively, somewhere in the Far Sea, near the south of the Far Sea, due to the only major city there being Farzi [if I remember correctly] and Farzi is one of the 3ish cities never shown in canon. 20180723 15:55:00<+discordbot> Others being Soradoc and Dan Tonk/ 20180723 15:55:03<+discordbot> *. 20180723 15:58:02<+discordbot> Wait, Borstep isn't canonly shown either [I think, correct me if wrong] 20180723 16:02:36<+discordbot> was dan-tonk always a human settlement? 20180723 16:02:43<+discordbot> I think so 20180723 16:02:58<+discordbot> The Wesnoth thingy says it's the largest city in canon 20180723 16:03:15<+discordbot> but Weldyn's the capitol because canon 20180723 16:03:20<+discordbot> *plot not canon 20180723 16:04:58<+discordbot> If I am not wrong, the largest cities that the humans have are Dan 'Tonk, Weldyn, and Elensefar, in that order. 20180723 16:05:17<+discordbot> Elensefar has to be strong due to being independent at times, and having the guts to fight against Ashievere. 20180723 16:05:48<+discordbot> Weldyn has to be strong as it's the capitol, you need a strong capitol if you are a strong nation 20180723 16:06:15<+discordbot> Dan 'Tonk is the largest geographically or population, I think 20180723 16:08:55<+discordbot> Found it! 20180723 16:08:56<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/470985669636915200/Screenshot_2018-07-23_at_10.08.36_AM.png 20180723 16:08:58<+discordbot> Are there any settlement in which humans and Orcs co-exist? 20180723 16:11:13<+discordbot> @V aricks Not sure, as one is never confirmed in canon. But if there is one, it would most likely have to be after THoT, and it would likely be Glamdrol [orcish tribal city], Dwarven Doors [trade and such], or Dorset [Northernmost human city]. 20180723 16:12:11<+discordbot> humans coexist in orc settlements as orc slaves, orcs coexist in human settlements as mercenaries for humans (including asheviere) 20180723 16:12:58<+discordbot> Oh, yeah there are those 20180723 16:12:59<+discordbot> I am a dork 20180723 16:13:02<+discordbot> my bad 20180723 16:16:09<+discordbot> I was just thinking it'd be hard to do it before THoT because humans and orcs kinda hate each other 20180723 16:30:25-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 16:35:13< zookeeper> Dan'Tonk sounds so much like an orcish name to me that i gravitate towards it actually being one due to some interesting historical happenstance that would make for a good plot for a campaign. 20180723 16:35:57-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 16:36:53<+discordbot> I love worlds with deep history, so I may like that 20180723 16:40:52<+discordbot> im with zookeeper here 20180723 16:41:12<+discordbot> it always seemed like an orcish settlement to me 20180723 16:41:45<+discordbot> but it's in the middle of wesnoth tho 20180723 16:42:14< zookeeper> the main problem is, that there's no mutual respect of any kind between orcs and wesnothians so it's hard to imagine why the latter would choose or retain an orcish name for a city. 20180723 16:42:52<+discordbot> Yeah, orcs kinda killed a lot of Islefolk 20180723 16:42:58<+discordbot> And Haldric kinda hated them 20180723 16:43:23<+discordbot> I would too if they killed my father 20180723 16:43:24<+discordbot> is it said at what year is it called "Dan Tonk"? 20180723 16:43:39< zookeeper> i don't think so 20180723 16:43:45<+discordbot> It's named that at the founding, I think 20180723 16:44:21< zookeeper> someone just needs to bother to check the timeline if there's anything about it there 20180723 16:44:27<+discordbot> maybe it was called Ashieveregrad at one point, and then they realized that is a bad name, and settled for any other name 20180723 16:45:20<+discordbot> So this means that Dan Tonk, at the least, was founded in the Golden Age. 20180723 16:45:21<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/470994833314545684/Screenshot_2018-07-23_at_10.44.54_AM.png 20180723 16:45:35<+discordbot> Maybe not under that name but still 20180723 16:46:26<+discordbot> perhaps Dan Tonk actually means some kind of traditioinal threat or insult against orcs 20180723 16:46:42<+discordbot> and humans chose it just to piss them off 20180723 16:51:14<+discordbot> Burin the Lost from TRoW is a great character 20180723 16:51:19<+discordbot> his art really sells him, too 20180723 16:51:30<+discordbot> He is. 20180723 16:52:19<+discordbot> I feel like if I was a dwarf after Burin's return, I'd just wait a half-century of something [long life] then just go to the Isle via Burin's tunnels and have an elfless paradise 20180723 16:52:20<+discordbot> xD 20180723 16:54:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 16:54:29<+discordbot> After the humans retreat from the great isle, does it just become a completely Orcish land? 20180723 16:55:13<+discordbot> Perhaps. Who knows, really. 20180723 16:55:28<+discordbot> There are woses [wose? wosi? woose?] on the isle as well. 20180723 16:55:47<+discordbot> Woses is correct. 20180723 16:55:51<+discordbot> Alright 20180723 16:56:55< zookeeper> maybe most dwarves _did_ use burin's tunnels and just left somewhere. would explain why the dwarves are so lacking at least in mainline campaigns, letting orcs siege their biggest kingdom for decades and so on. 20180723 16:58:04<+discordbot> maybe 20180723 16:58:05< zookeeper> perhaps the green isle is filled with dwarves and soon they have to re-invade the great continent for more living space. 20180723 16:58:28<+discordbot> That actually would explain why all the orcs are in the North. 20180723 16:59:06<+discordbot> perhaps the Green isle is filled with undead orcs 20180723 16:59:14<+discordbot> and u get a cliche bad guy necromancer 20180723 16:59:14<+discordbot> 😮 20180723 16:59:18<+discordbot> Plus, Dwarves rule the mounts, and the Broken Mountains slice right through the Isle. 20180723 16:59:22<+discordbot> Maybe? 20180723 16:59:58<+discordbot> I'd like a campaign where either you're a crazy yet brave mage going to reclaim the Isle, or you're a Wesnothian General sent to reclaim it 20180723 17:00:00<+discordbot> That would be fun 20180723 17:00:40< zookeeper> i don't think dwarves rule the mounts, they only have gryphons after all. 20180723 17:01:16<+discordbot> Well, more specifically, they rule the caves in the mounts. 20180723 17:01:37<+discordbot> You are a brave, ambitious but stupidly stubborn human lorekeeper mage dude 20180723 17:01:38< zookeeper> that sounds inappropriate 20180723 17:01:50<+discordbot> and you set off to find about the history of your people 20180723 17:01:54<+discordbot> and go to the green isle 20180723 17:02:01<+discordbot> with a batallion of magi 20180723 17:02:05<+discordbot> which now actually has civilized orcs 20180723 17:02:09<+discordbot> and you are the evil invader 20180723 17:02:13<+discordbot> ooooh yas 20180723 17:02:28<+discordbot> I would do it but I'm a bit busy noveling, and I don't have a device 20180723 17:03:40<+discordbot> orcs would not be AS civilized as humans 20180723 17:03:47<+discordbot> but they'd be deviated from the mainland orcs 20180723 17:03:49<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:04:02<+discordbot> and the campaign slowly shows your decent into madness 20180723 17:04:13<+discordbot> many people will have averse reaction to meeting any more orcs in campaigns, no matter the context 20180723 17:04:26<+discordbot> maybe a landar-type scenario where your men start slowly turning away from you 20180723 17:04:37<+discordbot> They'd still value power very highly but intelligence and quick wits help you succeed 20180723 17:04:42<+discordbot> To those people I say 20180723 17:04:44<+discordbot> ELFLOVERS 20180723 17:05:00<+discordbot> [it says in lore that by the final in LoW, the elves kept turning away from Landar, which is why he has so few in his last stand] 20180723 17:05:38<+discordbot> The ancient text from the old necromancer dudes you discover 20180723 17:05:44<+discordbot> slowly and slowly starts withering your mind away 20180723 17:05:49<+discordbot> yessss 20180723 17:05:53<+discordbot> a scenario where you have to fight shadows 20180723 17:06:00<+discordbot> that none of your men see 20180723 17:06:04<+discordbot> exept for you 20180723 17:06:16<+discordbot> like a battlei n your mind type of scenario 20180723 17:06:22<+discordbot> showing how unstable you are 20180723 17:06:23<+discordbot> got it 20180723 17:06:53<+discordbot> and as you overthrow the orcs, your decent into madness is shown by these shadows that only you see and only you can fight 20180723 17:06:59<+discordbot> your men can't fight them 20180723 17:07:55<+discordbot> Hmm 20180723 17:08:16<+discordbot> Maybe you even get some rival orcs on your side 20180723 17:08:22<+discordbot> Because they want to restore the old ways 20180723 17:08:25<+discordbot> Of pure power 20180723 17:08:32<+discordbot> Instead of these witty and "smart" orc leaders 20180723 17:08:34<+discordbot> They are weak 20180723 17:08:36<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:09:17<+discordbot> maybe at the end, a bunch of orcish tribes fight you in one bloodbath, or some Wesnothian soldiers, hearing of a 'great necromancer', have come to kill you. maybe even some magi as well 20180723 17:09:19<+discordbot> not sure 20180723 17:09:45<+discordbot> but I think when you start crushing orcs some might end up in the Far North via sea voyage and tell the Tribes, news reaching Wesnoth 20180723 17:09:54<+discordbot> also is it tribes or clans for the orcs? 20180723 17:10:05<+discordbot> Clans sound more organizrf 20180723 17:10:13<+discordbot> Okay 20180723 17:10:18<+discordbot> Maybe you have different smart clans known for different things? 20180723 17:10:23<+discordbot> One clan is known for their crossbows 20180723 17:10:24<+discordbot> Maybe 20180723 17:10:28<+discordbot> one for assassins 20180723 17:10:30<+discordbot> Others for their affinity with trolls 20180723 17:10:38<+discordbot> And other big creatures 20180723 17:10:40<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:11:11<+discordbot> The assassin clan is very impactful on the isle orc politics 20180723 17:11:24<+discordbot> Because If any clan starts garnering too much power 20180723 17:11:29<+discordbot> They just get assassinated 20180723 17:11:57<+discordbot> And when the assassins get out of hand they get crushed underfoot by the raw strength the other clans have, which the assassins lack 20180723 17:12:01<+discordbot> Oooh, alright 20180723 17:12:19<+discordbot> So when an orc gets powerful that the assassins don't like, they kill him 20180723 17:12:20<+discordbot> i'm debating on whether the last scenario would be a 'Pebbles in the Flood'-esque scenario, or an 'Against the World'-esque scenario. Either you crush the orcs, humans, etc and gain control then go fully insane, or you get killed, showing your madness. 20180723 17:12:39<+discordbot> You sink the isle to the bottom of the sea 20180723 17:12:48<+discordbot> Lmao nah I think that'd be a bit overkill 20180723 17:13:10<+discordbot> hmm 20180723 17:13:43<+discordbot> maybe the orcs, humans converge upon southbay or something, which you've made the ruins into a fortress, and in defeat, you sink the once-great city into the sea? 20180723 17:13:54<+discordbot> Yeah that'd be cool 20180723 17:13:58<+discordbot> Just out of pure spite 20180723 17:14:01<+discordbot> And anger 20180723 17:14:07<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:14:12<+discordbot> If you can't have this research 20180723 17:14:15<+discordbot> No one can 20180723 17:14:18<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180723 17:14:31<+discordbot> It'd be great if we actually got a team together to make this campaign 20180723 17:14:36<+discordbot> Actually sounds like a good idea 20180723 17:16:19<+discordbot> wait 20180723 17:16:28<+discordbot> so you die at the end, sinking the city into the sea, right? 20180723 17:16:40<+discordbot> Probably yeah 20180723 17:16:50<+discordbot> okay 20180723 17:17:38<+discordbot> so you slowly turn from an ambitious, brave, stubborn mage to a corrupt, evil, arrogant necromancer? 20180723 17:17:38-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 17:18:49<+discordbot> and the campaign theme shifts from a good campaign to an evil conquest? 20180723 17:18:53<+discordbot> You'd have to be ambitious and brave to go out onto the Green isle 20180723 17:18:59<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:19:35<+discordbot> Not nessecarily evil 20180723 17:19:45<+discordbot> You'd still be in search of knowledge 20180723 17:19:51<+discordbot> Not wiping out the orcs or whatevr 20180723 17:19:53<+discordbot> alright 20180723 17:19:57<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:20:37<+discordbot> I kinda like two sided campaigns, where it shows both the villain's and hero's rise, and then the hero and villain switch. 20180723 17:20:57<+discordbot> But your mind would be so rotted from these aincent magics 20180723 17:21:05<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:21:15<+discordbot> That for everyone else you'd seem evil 20180723 17:21:22<+discordbot> But to you your goal is righteous 20180723 17:21:28<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 17:22:36<+discordbot> so would this be a shorter campaign [UtBS, L, TSG, EI] or a longer one [NR, LoW, HttT]? 20180723 17:24:41< zookeeper> why does everyone always make necromancer characters progress from good to bad? you could have it the other way too. 20180723 17:24:52<+discordbot> i mean, you could 20180723 17:25:31<+discordbot> I mean 20180723 17:25:37<+discordbot> He doesn't even have to become a necromancer, right? 20180723 17:26:02<+discordbot> But we'd need to figure out another way to get him troops 20180723 17:26:09<+discordbot> Cause royals would leave him after he turns mas 20180723 17:26:35<+discordbot> Maybe he finds heaps of gold from the ruins and pays orc mercenaries? 20180723 17:26:39<+discordbot> Cant he be necromancer or lich and turn into normal human? 20180723 17:26:41<+discordbot> there must be a reason why necromancy is taboo; otherwise people would be using undead for all manual labor. "dabbling in dark arts irreversibly damages your personality, like heavy drugs" is one such reason 20180723 17:27:32<+discordbot> i mean maybe 20180723 17:27:33<+discordbot> but 20180723 17:27:35<+discordbot> And you can choose which orc clan you take as your patron 20180723 17:27:51<+discordbot> it's kinda disturbing to raise your friends on the grave to do manual labor 20180723 17:27:59<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 YES, good idea 20180723 17:28:15<+discordbot> And depending on that maybe you get different scenarios 20180723 17:28:21<+discordbot> @Rory not sure, don't think so, but maybe 20180723 17:28:24<+discordbot> Like they send you out to do something for them 20180723 17:28:27<+discordbot> @Not Hamel it's kinda disturbing to imprison people, or to cut them open for medical procedures, etc 20180723 17:28:32<+discordbot> And if you don't they take their patronage away 20180723 17:28:49<+discordbot> still we do those things, because it's convenient, and after a while it is not that disturbing 20180723 17:28:55<+discordbot> Leets doo thiss! 20180723 17:29:07<+discordbot> i mean i'd be pretty disturbed if my friend raised his uncle steve from the grave to do yardwork or something 20180723 17:29:09<+discordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20180723 17:29:19<+discordbot> uncle steve used as x 20180723 17:29:27<+discordbot> all new things are disturbing 20180723 17:29:32<+discordbot> none of my friends have uncles named steve 20180723 17:29:33<+discordbot> boi 20180723 17:29:37<+discordbot> but still 20180723 17:29:57<+discordbot> I don't see any problem with that. 20180723 17:30:06<+discordbot> @Rory That's almost the NR fork. 20180723 17:30:19<+discordbot> The lich -> good guy thing 20180723 17:30:37<+discordbot> well we can't debate it if i find it very, very disturbing and you find it okay 20180723 17:30:38<+discordbot> sorry 20180723 17:30:41<+discordbot> We have some good ideas here though 20180723 17:30:55<+discordbot> I really like the patronage idea 20180723 17:31:09<+discordbot> @Rory You must be quite intresting person if you dont see any problem with that. 20180723 17:31:17<+discordbot> Still i could be kinda fun. 20180723 17:31:34<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 we could actually turn this into a campaign with the right ideas and plans 20180723 17:31:39<+discordbot> i'd love that tbh 20180723 17:31:46<+discordbot> Well there are some problems with that but i'm too lazy sometimes. 20180723 17:31:57<+discordbot> @Not Hamel it's like eating dogs 20180723 17:32:06<+discordbot> boi 20180723 17:32:11<+discordbot> in the west, it is disturbing, in the east it is not 20180723 17:32:11<+discordbot> i know what you're saying 20180723 17:32:20<+discordbot> but i just don't wanna debate this rn 20180723 17:32:27<+discordbot> kinda stressed due to stuffos 20180723 17:32:32<+discordbot> Ya. I think it'd be a cool campaign 20180723 17:32:58<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180723 17:33:43<+discordbot> What if there's this like underground isle/wes-folk city, hidden, and after hearing about you, you have to fight them off? 20180723 17:34:08<+discordbot> Wouldn't living in the dark turn them into like 20180723 17:34:14<+discordbot> Disgusting creatures after generations though 20180723 17:34:32< zookeeper> what kind of undead animals might one be able to pass off as the real thing? like, if you reanimated a very fresh donkey corpse and just had it pull some carts, would a casual observer notice anything off? 20180723 17:34:32<+discordbot> Also you can have scenarios where you break into a tomb or whatever and there are undead 20180723 17:34:36<+discordbot> As fillers 20180723 17:34:41-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4dbaff94.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.9.0/20180621064021]] 20180723 17:34:52<+discordbot> Undead flies 20180723 17:34:56<+discordbot> Just to piss off your enemies 20180723 17:35:13<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 maybe 20180723 17:35:22<+discordbot> You could have a tomb foreshadowing your downfall 20180723 17:35:26<+discordbot> Like a writing on the wall 20180723 17:35:41<+discordbot> zookeeper: fish 20180723 17:35:44<+discordbot> zookeeper: I don't think a casual one would, but one buying stuff from the cart would 20180723 17:35:59<+discordbot> "Yee who touches these walls and disturbs our rest shall be cursed with etc etc" 20180723 17:36:01<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 yeah, like the whole old prophecy gig 20180723 17:36:12<+discordbot> Maybe like the whole King Tut curse 20180723 17:36:20<+discordbot> maybe 20180723 17:36:22<+discordbot> Where all who disturbed it died in freakish ways 20180723 17:36:22<+discordbot> @zookeeper Birds would be cute. 20180723 17:37:00<+discordbot> Do parrot 😄 20180723 17:37:03< zookeeper> an undead owl? yeah everyone could just think it's your normal familiar, but secretly it's your necromantic experiment. 20180723 17:37:20<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 what if he stumbles across that lich tomb in TRoW, and he thinks the curse happened to Haldric via the Ruby, but he doesn't realize the curse is referring to him? 20180723 17:38:08<+discordbot> who made the son of the black eye campaign? 20180723 17:38:16<+discordbot> @Hejnewar Crows. Are way less corolful. And smarter. 20180723 17:39:47<+discordbot> Maybe but did you ever seen undead parrot? 20180723 17:40:05<+discordbot> let's do a compromise 20180723 17:40:10<+discordbot> an undead parrot-crow 20180723 17:40:46<+discordbot> No compromises. 20180723 17:41:20<+discordbot> okay 20180723 17:41:48<+discordbot> Hard. 20180723 17:42:17<+discordbot> You should learn better. 20180723 17:42:43<+discordbot> Maybe :V but im not that kind of person 😄 20180723 17:43:19<+discordbot> Well you should be. 20180723 17:43:46<+discordbot> Hyperwolf, you there, mate? 20180723 17:44:46<+discordbot> Why? And no. :V 20180723 17:45:28-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180723 17:46:25<+discordbot> @shadowm https://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/animations.html must be reading stuff wrong - eg it says there is 1 frame of attack/defense animation for nagas, when actually nagas have full attack/defense animations. also it says there is 1 attack/defense frame for sea serpent, when there are actually 0. or am i misunderstanding something? 20180723 17:47:39<+discordbot> I don't know anything about that page. 20180723 17:48:11<+discordbot> @Hejnewar To try to be better than now. 20180723 17:51:00<+discordbot> and it refers to female naga sprites which don't even exist. it must be ANCIENT 20180723 17:51:07<+discordbot> in any case it's linked at units.wesnoth.org 20180723 17:54:12<+discordbot> @Rory You are definitely firm. 20180723 17:55:25<+discordbot> But it wont be easy with me. 20180723 17:56:03<+discordbot> now that i think of it, 20180723 17:56:18<+discordbot> nagas are probably the least explored Race mainline 20180723 17:56:35<+discordbot> maybe 20180723 17:57:09<+discordbot> Any love for Danse Macabre here? 20180723 17:57:43-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 17:57:47<+discordbot> @blarumyrran What about goblins though? 20180723 17:58:21<+discordbot> hm, I forgot about Falcons entirely 20180723 17:58:33<+discordbot> Or the Dunefolk. xD 20180723 17:58:34<+discordbot> @Hejnewar We will see. 20180723 17:58:38<+discordbot> it is odd that they have their own race instead of Monsters 20180723 17:59:02<+discordbot> We sure will we sure will... 20180723 17:59:53<+discordbot> @blarumyrran Wolves, Bats and Gryphons are their own race as well. 20180723 17:59:55<+discordbot> Race is odd anyway. what is the race of Goblin Knight? 20180723 17:59:57<+discordbot> wolf 20180723 18:00:34<+discordbot> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/941/860/294.jpg 20180723 18:01:22<+discordbot> Shadowm, do you have any input regarding races in wesnoth? 20180723 18:01:42<+discordbot> Shadow's offline 20180723 18:02:21<+discordbot> Input regarding what 20180723 18:03:10<+discordbot> oh, nvm 20180723 18:03:18< zookeeper> what do people typically race in wesnoth? horses obviously, but what else? 20180723 18:03:52<+discordbot> fog clearers 20180723 18:03:57< zookeeper> O_O 20180723 18:04:29<+discordbot> Input regarding why Falcons, Bats, Wolves and Gryphons are their own race instead of being in the category 'Monsters' 20180723 18:04:52<+discordbot> Idk 20180723 18:05:15<+discordbot> Gryphons used to be monsters I think. 20180723 18:06:12<+discordbot> A gryphon race sounds really fun. 20180723 18:06:15<+discordbot> Any idea who might know? 20180723 18:06:22<+discordbot> race has 2 functions afaict: 1) lore text, 2) categorization in help 20180723 18:06:30<+discordbot> Names. 20180723 18:06:50< zookeeper> yes, i believe the most important technical reason is names. 20180723 18:06:52<+discordbot> And if Gryphon/Wolf Riders are Gryphons/Wolves, why are Horseman not Horses? 20180723 18:06:52<+discordbot> XD 20180723 18:07:31<+discordbot> Wolves and Bats don't have names though. 20180723 18:07:51<+discordbot> @blarumyrran Hahahahaha that wolf guy picture XD :3 reminds me of when I pretended to be a tiger in elementary school 20180723 18:07:54<+discordbot> ...I don't know why Falcons have names. ._. 20180723 18:08:00<+discordbot> and i would pounce on people XDDD 20180723 18:08:05<+discordbot> ... 20180723 18:08:33<+discordbot> good times!!! xP 20180723 18:08:34<+discordbot> it seems a bit limiting that non-dune Humans have a single pool of names, and if some group of humans were to have slightly different culture, then they would change race 20180723 18:09:28<+discordbot> I think the riders go by animal names because of stats/resistance. 20180723 18:09:28<+discordbot> wait, why names? goblin wolfrider does not have wolf names 20180723 18:09:41<+discordbot> culture! xD 20180723 18:09:52<+discordbot> Like gryphon rider does not have the same resistances as a dwarvish fighter 20180723 18:09:54<+discordbot> It would be cool if Walking Corpses that are created by using plague would keep their name from when they were alive. 20180723 18:10:20<+discordbot> I said before quitting that name generation should be defined separately from race so that individual units of the same race can share name gen without including a colossal macro. 20180723 18:10:36<+discordbot> @Not Hamel Horseman. 20180723 18:10:44<+discordbot> And so dunefolk can be proper humans. 20180723 18:11:35<+discordbot> But obviously it's not going to happen without someone willing to put time into that code. 20180723 18:11:41<+discordbot> Dugi would be the one to talk to about unit names, he kinda did name all of our units right now. 20180723 18:12:05<+discordbot> Yeah I'm not going to comment on that. 20180723 18:12:18<+discordbot> Beyond just saying that some people aren't great to work with. 20180723 18:12:19<+discordbot> ...please do? ._. 20180723 18:12:50<+discordbot> alternatively, rename humans to wesnothians 20180723 18:13:16<+discordbot> That would actually make more sense, no? 20180723 18:13:31<+discordbot> Then TRoW and UtBS humans would look weird. 20180723 18:13:44<+discordbot> Before and after Wesnoth respectively. 20180723 18:13:51<+discordbot> they could have different race 20180723 18:13:53<+discordbot> Still humans but not Wesnothians. 20180723 18:14:19<+discordbot> it might even be cool: the outlaw girl has wesfolk race 20180723 18:14:20<+discordbot> We're not going to clone dozens of unit types for that. 20180723 18:14:22<+discordbot> To be fair, they should look weird. xD 20180723 18:14:24<+discordbot> oh, right 20180723 18:14:31<+discordbot> It's literally code. 20180723 18:15:05<+discordbot> There's no way to procedurally generate whole unit trees with just a few changed attributes. 20180723 18:16:29<+discordbot> I feel like dunefolk should be balanced as much as possible and then added to default 20180723 18:17:06<+discordbot> they are bizarre to play 20180723 18:17:11<+discordbot> yeah a little 20180723 18:17:19< zookeeper> ohhh, i came up with a clever solution to the human race thing shadowm just described. 20180723 18:17:25<+discordbot> with other factions it seems roughly obvious on what you should be doing, most of the time, everything is a hammer to some nail 20180723 18:17:33<+discordbot> HUMAN EXTINCTION, yes i know 20180723 18:17:37<+discordbot> why not for the dunefolk too? 20180723 18:17:46<+discordbot> BIG HAMMER 😘 20180723 18:17:48<+discordbot> the cleric 20180723 18:18:18<+discordbot> and the swordsman guys with marksman lol 20180723 18:19:01< zookeeper> just put [unit_type] race= of all core human units inside an #ifdef (and that inside a macro for one-liner cleanliness) that defaults to human, but can be overridden by a campaign with some preprocessor define or whatever. ugly, but not complicated. 20180723 18:19:17<+discordbot> i was sure you'd say HUMAN EXTINCTION 20180723 18:20:53<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure eg liminal is so much more fiddly than normal Alignments, and you do not have a normal ranged unit (the fire guy is prohibitively costly unless you really need fire), and you have 2 similar "normal" melee units (except is is Liminal and the other is Marksman) instead of 1. i'm not saying it is a bad thing 20180723 18:21:21<+discordbot> I agree with the fire guy being too situational maybe 20180723 18:21:28<+discordbot> hmm 20180723 18:21:30<+discordbot> again, that is not a problem 20180723 18:21:43<+discordbot> that they are always "uneasy" to play is interesting, i guess 20180723 18:22:08<+discordbot> I got crushed by a guy who rushed his dunefolk leader and 6 swordsman surrounding him lol 20180723 18:22:22<+discordbot> i had my units like all spread out and then he comes and kills my leader as well as like 3 units 20180723 18:22:31<+discordbot> the leader was the healer 20180723 18:22:35<+discordbot> i think 20180723 18:29:39<+discordbot> Dunefolks are weak, just weak. And i think they have gameplay that is considered enough and some units are just out of place, ilminal is kinda wierd too for me. 20180723 18:29:54-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 18:30:03<+discordbot> what do you mean by "some units are just out of place"? 20180723 18:35:10<+discordbot> I get that you need falcon becouse of water, but his attacks are kinda wierd, hakim has heal +8 just becouse the rest of fraction is weak enough to have it and smou units are just not worth recruting. 20180723 18:35:44<+discordbot> yeah I suppose it is more of a recreational/fun faction 20180723 18:35:48<+discordbot> what is "hakim has heal +8 just becouse the rest of fraction is weak enough to have it" supposed to mean 20180723 18:36:16<+discordbot> every unit is in the faction where it is because it brings the faction closer to balance with other factions 20180723 18:36:31<+discordbot> this goes for every recruitable Default era unit 20180723 18:38:33<+discordbot> question is wesnoth 1.14 on steam development or stable? 20180723 18:38:35<+discordbot> I'm guessing stable? 20180723 18:38:54<+discordbot> even numbers are stable, odd numbers are development 20180723 18:39:01<+discordbot> ohhh... thank you ❤ 20180723 18:39:17<+discordbot> wow, i have done nothing but talk today 20180723 18:41:38<+discordbot> Its supose to mean that this fraction is weak without it and in deff only 2lvl have heal +8, and Burner and Piercer are bad units while ilminal units have -25% most of the time. And on top of that you are forced to recruit him if you want to win witch is not the case with rest of default in rest of it you dont have to recruit any specific unit to win acctualy. I do not think of specific matchups but game as a whole. 20180723 18:42:27<+discordbot> I think he means that you are forced to recruit him. 20180723 18:42:54<+discordbot> you are pretty much forced to recruit Dark Adepts as undead, and orc grunts as northerners 20180723 18:44:39<+discordbot> Yeah they are preety strong but some players can (and i know think about) recruting trolls instead of grunts. You have a choice. Even vs dwarf you can spam ghosts. 😄 20180723 18:44:59<+discordbot> i mean in 1v1 with normal settings 20180723 18:45:38<+discordbot> you will surely include an adept/grunt when playing ud/northerners, in your initial recruit 20180723 18:45:54<+discordbot> unless its a huge map or something 20180723 18:45:57<+discordbot> I saw games with only trolls. 20180723 18:46:13<+discordbot> But i didnt play mutch. 20180723 18:46:26<+discordbot> sure, i have seen games with only spearmen 20180723 18:46:55<+discordbot> it is not a "strategy", it is either a fun time or newbishness 20180723 18:47:24<+discordbot> You are somewhat right but my point is that you cant win without +8 heal but you can win witchout grunts. 20180723 18:48:33<+discordbot> you cannot win against a good enemy on normal 1v1 maps with normal settings without grunts, i think - grunts are very cost-effective 20180723 18:48:37<+discordbot> But if you meet trolls you lost anyway. 😄 20180723 18:49:32<+discordbot> You for sure can, orcs wont colapse without grunts. 20180723 18:50:24<+discordbot> anyway, the case for adept is even stronger 20180723 18:50:36<+discordbot> On isar for example recruting grunts is kinda not good, you are better of spamming trols insted of grunts. 20180723 18:51:24<+discordbot> One i saw game won by spamming only shammys 20180723 18:51:25<+discordbot> that is not even 1v1, and is not considered a balanced map in the first place 20180723 18:51:26<+discordbot> 😄 20180723 18:51:56<+discordbot> Many players swa it with me :S 20180723 18:52:33<+discordbot> and again, you can see all sorts of things - there is only a point in talking of such if the enemy is good 20180723 18:52:38-!- Fyrenic [~fyrenic@94.125.76.22] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 18:53:57<+discordbot> Still winning using only ghosts and warriors as ud can work. I acctualy beat with this chesse copule of people around my level. 20180723 18:54:29<+discordbot> then winning without the healer guy can work too 20180723 18:54:36<+discordbot> there is only a point in talking of such if the enemy is good 20180723 18:55:03<+discordbot> Good luck then. 20180723 18:55:09<+discordbot> with what? 20180723 18:55:53<+discordbot> With proving you point. I ment this message to be for Hejnewar but i forgot to tag him. 20180723 18:57:36<+discordbot> Thank you, i sure will try even if i see quite a bit of sarcasm in there. :V 20180723 18:58:14<+discordbot> For me there is always a substitute. 20180723 18:59:51<+discordbot> And in Dunefolk there is like 2 underpowerd units 1 that should compensate for that and som that are good but duringl only 2 turns in cyce. 20180723 19:03:47<+discordbot> But Dunefolk lvlups have realy nice graphics well most of them. 20180723 19:10:02<+discordbot> @blarumyrran Server? 20180723 19:17:47<+discordbot> Man i just challenged you. You know how rare it is? 20180723 19:21:45-!- aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 19:23:19<+discordbot> Meh 20180723 19:24:05-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20180723 19:27:11<+discordbot> ah sorry 20180723 19:27:11<+discordbot> i was 20180723 19:27:13<+discordbot> playing rust 20180723 19:27:17<+discordbot> but yeah 20180723 19:27:25<+discordbot> somebody oughta write these up into a google docs 20180723 19:27:31<+discordbot> because otherwise they get lost in the chat 20180723 19:27:35<+discordbot> i could do that 20180723 19:27:39<+discordbot> or make a server of ideas 20180723 19:27:40<+discordbot> yeah that'd be nice 20180723 19:28:02<+discordbot> i'd help program 20180723 19:28:12<+discordbot> maybe I could write scenario text up in a doc 20180723 19:28:19<+discordbot> and someone could convert it to cfg 20180723 19:28:23<+discordbot> and do the maps 20180723 19:32:00<+discordbot> not sure though 20180723 19:35:17-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 19:40:00-!- aeth_ is now known as aeth 20180723 19:55:04<+discordbot> Ah yess 20180723 19:55:11<+discordbot> Is there a uh 20180723 19:55:18<+discordbot> Map for the city 20180723 19:55:22<+discordbot> Somewhere I can nick 20180723 19:55:33<+discordbot> And try and edit to look rundown 20180723 19:57:17<+discordbot> alright 20180723 19:58:19<+discordbot> I have a friend who wants to help aswell 20180723 19:58:24<+discordbot> He can do pixel art 20180723 19:58:30<+discordbot> So he can possibly make custom sprites 20180723 19:58:43<+discordbot> Alright 20180723 19:59:20<+discordbot> I'd suggest taking some files from TRoW [maps of Stormvale, Southbay, Clearwater] and recreating them into an Orcesque fortress, or a ruined one. 20180723 19:59:35<+discordbot> Maybe the tribes would use the fortresses as their capitols? idk 20180723 20:00:25<+discordbot> The wizard dude should have a custom sprite aswell 20180723 20:00:30<+discordbot> Cause he's maindude 20180723 20:00:32<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 20:00:44<+discordbot> Do you want me to make a server or a doc for this? 20180723 20:00:50<+discordbot> Maybe a doc? 20180723 20:00:55<+discordbot> alright 20180723 20:03:43<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 question: would this be a shorter campaign [UtBS, L, TSG, EI] or a longer one [NR, LoW, HttT]? 20180723 20:03:51<+discordbot> I assume the latter but it's your choice 20180723 20:04:30<+discordbot> I really don't know actually 20180723 20:04:59<+discordbot> Ive never made a campaign so 20180723 20:05:07<+discordbot> I think it depends on how we want to play this. 20180723 20:05:21<+discordbot> I personally didn't like the very long and grindy ones 20180723 20:05:29<+discordbot> South Guard was my favourite as you kbow 20180723 20:05:33<+discordbot> Cause it was fun for me idk 20180723 20:05:36<+discordbot> alright 20180723 20:06:01<+discordbot> But it's gotta have a challenge otherwise it's gonna be awfully boring 20180723 20:06:06<+discordbot> Yeah 20180723 20:06:07<+discordbot> I think we should aim for SotA length [secrets of the ancients, 1.13.6+] 20180723 20:18:14<+discordbot> Are Dwarves typically spiritual? 20180723 20:18:14<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471048410200277002/unknown.png 20180723 20:19:11<+discordbot> I wouldn't say so. 20180723 20:21:16<+discordbot> well 20180723 20:21:23<+discordbot> i think it depends on the dwarf 20180723 20:21:54<+discordbot> like some are spiritual [runebois seem spiritualiesque to me] and some are not as much [fighters, bezerkers come to mind] 20180723 20:23:20<+discordbot> How long was Sora 20180723 20:23:22<+discordbot> Sota 20180723 20:23:32<+discordbot> And who was the protagonist 20180723 20:23:34<+discordbot> I forgot xd 20180723 20:23:45<+discordbot> the protag was this one necromancer girl 20180723 20:23:46<+discordbot> The lady? 20180723 20:23:49<+discordbot> Ah yep 20180723 20:23:54-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 20:23:57<+discordbot> She couldn't smell rotting flesh 20180723 20:24:14<+discordbot> yeah 20180723 20:24:25<+discordbot> then this old creepy dude came along 20180723 20:24:34<+discordbot> it is much more fun to complete a small thing, than to see a large project hang due to disinterest 20180723 20:25:01<+discordbot> if you are quite new to wersnoth and it is your first campaign, plan for more like 6 scenarios 20180723 20:25:23<+discordbot> wersnoth 20180723 20:25:44<+discordbot> But yes, I agree 20180723 20:26:17<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 longer than I thought, 21 scenarios 20180723 20:26:26<+discordbot> Maybe we could aim for like 15~18 20180723 20:28:51<+discordbot> Personally I'd prefer if you revived 'Sceptre of Life' instead. x 20180723 20:28:52<+discordbot> xD 20180723 20:29:08<+discordbot> Or kinda recreate Fire Forged Friends. 20180723 20:29:18<+discordbot> That is a good campaign though, and it has a good ending 20180723 20:29:31<+discordbot> Wait, it has an ending? 20180723 20:29:38<+discordbot> I don't remember it having an ending. 20180723 20:29:50<+discordbot> Wiat 20180723 20:29:55<+discordbot> No, wrong campaign 20180723 20:30:02<+discordbot> I thought you meant 'Sceptre of Fire' 20180723 20:30:08<+discordbot> I was confused 20180723 20:30:22<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21640&hilit=sceptre+of+life 20180723 20:30:44<+discordbot> Alright, my bad 20180723 20:30:46<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27009&hilit=fire+forged+friends 20180723 20:31:04<+discordbot> I think TEG was a nice campaign too 20180723 20:31:11<+discordbot> [The Earth's Gut] 20180723 20:31:15<+discordbot> Fire Forged Friends has most of the story, but the maps are gone due to some Server wipe some years ago..? 20180723 20:31:51<+discordbot> And Sceptre of Life still exist completly (though uncomplete) on the old addon servers. 20180723 20:32:33<+discordbot> Shadowm? Do you remember a some kind of accident with the server for the wesnoth forums some years ago? 20180723 20:44:14-!- Fyrenic [~fyrenic@94.125.76.22] has left #wesnoth ["Konversation terminated!"] 20180723 20:46:31-!- gfg [~androirc@x4dbaff94.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 20:47:57<+discordbot> I find DiD impossible in the scenario where darken volk betrays you 20180723 20:48:03<+discordbot> Any advice or strategies? 20180723 20:48:16<+discordbot> The one where u have like only 24 turns and u have to bring the book to ur base 20180723 20:48:16<+discordbot> Kill them all. 20180723 20:48:48<+discordbot> But I cant; there are too many... the light paladin guy does a ton of damage and the other loyalist party is super abundant in numbers 20180723 20:50:25<+discordbot> Recruit/-call all you can, bunch around your base, crush the undead in 1-2 turns, move on to crushing the humans north, pester the humans south, cleverly kill the paladins and white mages and walk away with the book using a fast human or a deathblade. 20180723 20:50:35<+discordbot> also if i let them fight off darken volk first then darken volk dies really quickly 20180723 20:50:54<+discordbot> Is it bad that Darken Volk dies? 20180723 20:50:55<+discordbot> which is a problem because i cant face them both off in 24 turns :( 20180723 20:51:05<+discordbot> Yeah i would rather that he soaks up all the damage 20180723 20:51:45<+discordbot> Hmm u said bunch around my base 20180723 20:51:50<+discordbot> I gave you my advice, do something with it. 😄 20180723 20:51:51<+discordbot> does that mean i should let the undead come to me 20180723 20:51:59<+discordbot> Let the undead come to the river. 20180723 20:51:59-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180723 20:52:03<+discordbot> Mmm 20180723 20:52:10<+discordbot> Alright thank you so much 😍😍😍❤️❤️😘 20180723 20:52:24<+discordbot> I will take ur advice of course :) 20180723 20:54:29<+discordbot> is it ok to sacrifice like 20180723 20:54:34<+discordbot> Spectres 20180723 20:54:37<+discordbot> and level threes 20180723 20:54:51<+discordbot> Or will i need them for later scenarios 20180723 20:55:18<+discordbot> i have like 6 spectres 20180723 20:55:30<+discordbot> well 5 but one is a wraith thats about to level up 20180723 20:55:57<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=631396#p631396 20180723 20:56:30<+discordbot> I think you should keep a least 2 spectres. 20180723 20:56:34<+discordbot> I'd suggest recruiting meat shields at the start of the scenario and using them instead 20180723 20:56:40<+discordbot> They will be extremely useful. 20180723 20:56:45<+discordbot> Mmm 20180723 20:56:46<+discordbot> Wesnoth.org had a bad crash in 2008. 20180723 20:57:27<+discordbot> Hm...then it was probably some other cause. 20180723 20:57:28<+discordbot> Hmm so hamel should i not recall any spectres for the entire scenario 20180723 20:57:42<+discordbot> like or non meatshield units 20180723 20:57:45<+discordbot> The images in question were uploaded 2009. 20180723 20:58:02<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure Maybe watching my replay will help you? 20180723 20:58:12<+discordbot> I am on phone i will watch later ❤️❤️ 20180723 20:58:17<+discordbot> which one is your replay? 20180723 20:58:19<+discordbot> What images 20180723 20:58:38<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure That last wesnoth link. xD 20180723 20:58:48<+discordbot> Ohh okay!! 😙 20180723 20:59:19<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure I'd suggest recruiting meatshields then about 1~3 L3s and 3~5 L2s. Don't just waste the meatshields, use them for the best tactical advantage 20180723 20:59:41<+discordbot> Alright, thank you so much both of you!! 🥄 20180723 21:00:09<+discordbot> Also, try to get your enemies in the river. 20180723 21:00:14<+discordbot> @shadowm https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=383679#p383679 There is supposed to be an image of the map he/she made. (I do remember looking at those maps, so yeah. :C) 20180723 21:00:23<+discordbot> :) 20180723 21:00:45<+discordbot> @Not Hamel Watch my replay? xD 20180723 21:01:05<+discordbot> @Konrad2 That image is hosted externally. 20180723 21:01:59<+discordbot> [img]http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9898/kentt3.jpg[/img] 20180723 21:02:13<+discordbot> Nothing we can do if external images are deleted or the hosts stop allowing hotlinking etc. 20180723 21:02:26<+discordbot> Oh. 😦 Thanks for clearing that up for me. 20180723 21:02:28<+discordbot> @Konrad2 I would but my phone has like a bajillion cracks and my computer is trash 20180723 21:02:50<+discordbot> Are the cracks a problem? xD 20180723 21:03:16<+discordbot> Yes 20180723 21:03:18<+discordbot> xD 20180723 21:04:19<+discordbot> Meh. :c 20180723 21:04:57<+discordbot> Sorry dude, aiming to get a new one near decemberish 20180723 21:06:09<+discordbot> I feel sorry for you. 20180723 21:07:17<+discordbot> @shadowm Would it be possible to implement something that let's the player choose their teamcolour at the start of a SP campaign? 20180723 21:09:49< Ravana_> modification can do that 20180723 21:10:10< Ravana_> it might break some scenario logic though 20180723 21:15:05<+discordbot> How would it break scenario logic? ._. Do you have an example? 20180723 21:16:02< Ravana_> user might filter player side by color 20180723 21:16:35<+discordbot> ...not by side? 20180723 21:16:40<+discordbot> (I don't know much.) 20180723 21:19:08< Ravana_> side is normally preferred 20180723 21:20:36<+discordbot> Okay, good. ^^ Do you know if such a mod already exists? 20180723 21:20:59<+discordbot> And why are you using IRC, when you are apparently online on discord too? 20180723 21:21:32< Ravana_> posting from discord triggers highlight log 20180723 21:30:58<+discordbot> Uh. What's highligt log? ._. 20180723 21:35:22<+discordbot> So, I've kinda got a WML question, related to how still incomplete campaigns should best handle their (for now) last scenario. 20180723 21:35:35<+discordbot> Anyone knows soemthing about WML and can spare the time? 20180723 21:50:50< zookeeper> only one way to find out 20180723 21:52:01<+discordbot> as someone who playtests a lot of unfinished campaigns, I agree, it's annoying when the last scenario saves no longer work due to next_scenario=null 20180723 21:52:10<+discordbot> ...xD 20180723 21:52:17<+discordbot> if i remember, i change it to something random 20180723 21:52:36<+discordbot> so i can rename the next scenario when it comes out 20180723 21:52:44<+discordbot> zookeeper: Apparently someone found me out first. 20180723 21:52:49<+discordbot> At the end of the TRoW drake scenario, it's kinda hinted that the drakes would be forced to migrate to Wesnoth due to the island they occupy sinking 20180723 21:52:54<+discordbot> Anyone notice that? 20180723 21:53:01<+discordbot> @V aricks Yes. 20180723 21:53:39<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471072423685652501/unknown.png 20180723 21:53:51<+discordbot> They migrate to Billdheld. 20180723 21:53:52<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471072475585839115/unknown.png 20180723 21:53:55<+discordbot> *Billheld 20180723 21:55:18< zookeeper> @Inky oh, good point. i guess there would be other ways to do it, have some lua code check whether the next planned cfg file exists or something like that, and then [endlevel] accordingly. 20180723 21:58:21<+discordbot> Some stickied thread in 'Scenario & Campaign Developement' warning creators of doing 'next_scenario=null' or 'next_scenario=notthenameoftheplannednextscenario'. 20180723 21:59:01<+discordbot> And telling them that they should use the planned name of the scenario (and why they should do so). 20180723 22:01:06< zookeeper> alternatively, i suppose you could just add the next planned scenario and immediately end it in prestart. 20180723 22:01:31<+discordbot> That's the other option I listed in my rant on the forum. xD 20180723 22:01:46<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=631395#p631395 20180723 22:05:42-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20180723 22:06:41-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 22:09:00<+discordbot> Anyway, such a thread would be nice. Who can do that? Who do I have to convince? xD 20180723 22:09:32<+discordbot> And how do the User Groups in the Wesnoth Forum work? 20180723 22:10:58-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180723 22:18:54-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180723 22:36:14-!- gfg [~androirc@x4dbaff94.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 22:37:59-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 22:49:13-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 22:58:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 22:58:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 22:58:22<+discordbot> There is a 'Lich Traits Fix' mod, that clears the traits of any Dark Sorcerer after (s)he advanced to a Lich. Would it make sense to include it in the core? 20180723 23:02:38-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 23:02:49<+discordbot> Seems reasonable 20180723 23:02:59<+discordbot> THem being undead , after all 20180723 23:09:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 23:09:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 23:32:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180723 23:40:07<+discordbot> anyone else got any neat ideas 20180723 23:40:09<+discordbot> for our campaign thing 20180723 23:40:42<+discordbot> Pick up an old one and revive it. xD 20180723 23:40:54<+discordbot> Instead of making a new one. 20180723 23:41:00<+discordbot> There are lots of gems. 20180723 23:41:56<+discordbot> hmm i think we have a good idea on our thing so we're gonna stick with that for now 20180723 23:42:16<+discordbot> old ones are nice but making your own is nice 20180723 23:42:22<+discordbot> Plus motivation is a big thing 20180723 23:42:37<+discordbot> I don't think me, personally, would be very motivated to fix someone elses campaign 20180723 23:42:39<+discordbot> you know? 20180723 23:43:01<+discordbot> Alright 20180723 23:43:43<+discordbot> Depends on the campaign. If you find one you really like, that might be motivation enough. ^^ It's up to you of course. 20180723 23:44:16<+discordbot> I just think we got a good idea here 20180723 23:44:24<+discordbot> Maybe it'd be nice to fix up an old one 20180723 23:44:32<+discordbot> Ideas are good, yep. Now we just gotta actually do it. 20180723 23:44:52<+discordbot> I don't have anything to do tomorrow so I might start 20180723 23:46:15<+discordbot> I'd help with names and such, I just tend to use latin 20180723 23:46:46<+discordbot> Try to pin down somewhat 'when' the campaign is supposed to be. 20180723 23:49:54-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 23:52:27<+discordbot> (That will give you a lot of background info to build on.) 20180723 23:52:51-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180723 23:53:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180723 23:55:07<+discordbot> what type of campaign you working on? 20180723 23:55:53<+discordbot> Well, it's this campaign where you play this mage who goes on a quest to reclaim the Green Isle. In this campaign, he goes mad, and eventually becomes the villain. 20180723 23:56:20<+discordbot> Reminds me a lot of Descent into Darkness 20180723 23:56:32<+discordbot> Sounds cool 20180723 23:57:43<+discordbot> Mal Keshar never went mad though. 20180723 23:57:47<+discordbot> I'm terrible with names 😛 20180723 23:58:09<+discordbot> I mean, I named a group of people in my campaign the Hollians haha 20180723 23:58:16<+discordbot> I literally could not think of something better --- Log closed Tue Jul 24 00:00:10 2018