--- Log opened Tue Jul 24 00:00:10 2018 20180724 00:09:59< celmin> If he becomes the villain, does that mean you're playing a villain or do you play some underling who betrays him 20180724 00:11:09<+discordbot> You're playing a villain near the end, I think. 20180724 00:11:20<+discordbot> [Correct me if I am wrong, Hyperwolf] 20180724 00:16:53<+discordbot> true, Mal Keshar was misjudged due to the whole "necromancy = heresy" thing, he did mean good but Drogan and his sister had to be assholes 20180724 00:18:02< celmin> Meaning good is nice, but intent needs action to back it up. You can't do bad things to get your good outcome. 20180724 00:18:06<+discordbot> To be fair, that thing with the orc leader on the other side of the river did not exactly work in his favour. 20180724 00:18:12< celmin> No idea whether he did or not, mind you. 20180724 00:18:27<+discordbot> He did kinda grey. 20180724 00:18:52<+discordbot> Very grey. 20180724 00:19:09< celmin> Raising the dead as zombies is probably not objectively bad (since it doesn't directly hurt people) but it would turn off a lot of people; killing people to raise them as zombies, on the other hand, that's bad. 20180724 00:20:29<+discordbot> He killed Orcs to raise zombies to kill more orcs. 20180724 00:20:42<+discordbot> So they would be unable to raid his village. 20180724 00:21:14<+discordbot> He did kill normal guys in selfdefense too and raised them. 20180724 00:21:54<+discordbot> He only somewhat turned against humans after they hurt him a lot. 20180724 00:22:32<+discordbot> As in 'my sister and Drogan want to kill me and don't trust me even though I only tried to help' kind of hurt. 20180724 00:22:58<+discordbot> I mean, he didn't have to kill Drogan. His MP is 6 [I think], meaning he can pretty much stay an equal distance away from Drogan. And Drogan's the town's security, if he runs off to kill Malin, he's abandoning the town. 20180724 00:24:10<+discordbot> He was influenced by one of his ghosts. 20180724 00:24:13<+discordbot> He could have pretty much just built a raft and sailed across with plot magic without killing Drogan. 20180724 00:24:39<+discordbot> So he believed that Drogan is actually endangering Parthyn. 20180724 00:24:56<+discordbot> I do have to admit, he somewhat snapped there. 20180724 00:25:06<+discordbot> Frayed nerves and all that. 20180724 00:25:11<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180724 00:25:50<+discordbot> But, in Drogan's defense, he's just defending a town he loves from a magic which has hurt Wesnothians from the beginning. 20180724 00:25:58<+discordbot> I do think his decision is justifiable considering the circumstances. Questionable, but not without reason. 20180724 00:26:23<+discordbot> That's the point. Neither was able to consider each other's point of view. 20180724 00:26:45<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180724 00:27:22<+discordbot> Their lifestyles don't really support that kind of thinking anyway. 20180724 00:27:47<+discordbot> That's why I call this reasonable plot. 20180724 00:29:41<+discordbot> I kinda have a 'snapping' villain in my works. They let emotions drive them to believe that only their side is correct, so they shut off the other side completely, demonize it, and slowly begin their descent into corruption. 20180724 00:30:18<+discordbot> Sounds like very normal human behavior. 20180724 00:30:46<+discordbot> In a way, yes. 20180724 00:33:32<+discordbot> All of my main villains, I have just as much lore on as the heroes, just to deepen them. 20180724 00:34:34<+discordbot> Sounds good (or in this case 'bad' xD) to me. 20180724 00:35:12<+discordbot> xD 20180724 00:35:55<+discordbot> The thing about the villains I write, is they all see themselves as the hero and glorify their own side. They think all they oppose must be the villains. 20180724 00:37:15<+discordbot> So...there is no variation? 20180724 00:37:33<+discordbot> And basically, all your villians are heroes that get defeated. 20180724 00:38:57<+discordbot> There is some variation. 20180724 00:38:59<+discordbot> And yes. 20180724 00:39:24<+discordbot> But some of the 'heroes' of the works get 'defeated' as well. 20180724 00:40:06<+discordbot> So those were villians. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 00:40:58<+discordbot> Some of the heroes suffer the same 'symptoms' as the villains. 20180724 00:41:22<+discordbot> But I couldn't have a just villain v villain storyline, so ofc some of the heroes are actually heroes. 20180724 00:43:16<+discordbot> But I've written it in a way that the reader can very easily see the villain's side, and why they come from where they do. 20180724 00:45:09<+discordbot> It's a matter of perspective. 20180724 00:49:42<+discordbot> hey everyone, been lurking for a couple days and it's time for my first comment 20180724 00:49:49<+discordbot> about the next_scenario=null thing 20180724 00:50:17<+discordbot> after you end the scenario you can just use debug command ':cl' to get to the next scenario 20180724 00:50:41<+discordbot> i guess i should tag the people who where in that discussion? 20180724 00:52:33<+discordbot> Hi samonella โค๏ธโค๏ธ Im not sure, i think they will be fine with it, but rules says not to ping project members unnecessarily but I think thats different 20180724 00:53:24<+discordbot> coolio hey @Konrad2 and @Inky, scroll up a couple messages pls 20180724 00:54:23<+discordbot> Oh yeah they will be fine with it im sure ๐Ÿ˜Š 20180724 00:54:41<+discordbot> thanks ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180724 00:54:54<+discordbot> Yes of course ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ :) 20180724 00:55:53<+discordbot> @samonella Neither me nor Inky are project members. 20180724 00:56:25<+discordbot> And it is not for project member purposes x3 20180724 00:57:41<+discordbot> And while this should (probably) work (didn't think of it), it's still something that should be fixed from the side of the campaign author. (I'm not really sure how this would interact with carry over gold though.) 20180724 00:58:18<+discordbot> hm, yeah didn't think about gold 20180724 01:12:53<+discordbot> I too am always looking for collaborators on my campaign. If not for the creative input of some of my testers, I would not be nearly as satisfied with my campaign as I am now 20180724 01:13:33<+discordbot> That's good you can find people to help with yours 20180724 01:15:03<+discordbot> You could try here throwing your ideas and possibilities around. 20180724 01:16:15<+discordbot> So much depends on context, so it's typically most fruitful to discuss it with people who are familiar with the campaign/story 20180724 01:22:13-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 01:34:43<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 01:34:48<+discordbot> The island has sophisticated orcs 20180724 01:34:51<+discordbot> with a hierarchy 20180724 01:34:51<+discordbot> and clans 20180724 01:34:58<+discordbot> One clan is known for its assassins 20180724 01:35:03<+discordbot> the others for its troll champions 20180724 01:35:22<+discordbot> and you can choose a patron orc warchief 20180724 01:35:37<+discordbot> you find some gold in a tomb or whatever 20180724 01:35:45<+discordbot> and then pay an orc warboss so he gives you some of his troops to help you 20180724 01:35:50<+discordbot> because you start going mad 20180724 01:35:57<+discordbot> and your troops start abandoning you 20180724 01:36:14<+discordbot> something along those lines 20180724 01:36:52<+discordbot> you tomb-dive 20180724 01:36:58<+discordbot> and fight skeletons and stuff like that 20180724 01:37:08<+discordbot> maybe sometimes the orc warboss sneds you out to do something for him or he takes his patronage away 20180724 01:38:11<+discordbot> Hamel and me are still thonking about most of this stuff 20180724 01:38:15<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:39:50<+discordbot> I thought the ending should be something like: The Wesnothians/Alduinians hear about you via orcish messengers who went to the Irdyan Orcish Tribes, and a person finds out about the threat. The Orcs/Humans gang up against you and after x amount of turns, you realize you can't win, and you sink the once-great city you used as a fort to the floor, the knowledge you learnt with it. 20180724 01:40:02<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 01:40:04<+discordbot> that sounds dope 20180724 01:40:13<+discordbot> You DON'T end up as a necromancer though 20180724 01:40:17<+discordbot> hopefully 20180724 01:40:19<+discordbot> we can not do that 20180724 01:40:27<+discordbot> And in your characters eyes 20180724 01:40:28<+discordbot> you arent evil 20180724 01:40:31<+discordbot> everyone else is 20180724 01:40:32<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:40:42<+discordbot> because they arent letting you get the ancient knowledge from the ruins 20180724 01:40:54<+discordbot> and your mind rots and you ahve to fight some scenarios in your head 20180724 01:40:59<+discordbot> against ghosts that your troops cant see 20180724 01:41:17<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 01:41:27<+discordbot> Maybe you get like one loyal mage apprentice 20180724 01:41:34<+discordbot> that stays with you till the end 20180724 01:41:42<+discordbot> but its because hes secretly a dark adept or whatever 20180724 01:42:02<+discordbot> yeah that sounds dope 20180724 01:42:05<+discordbot> and you dont mind because he helped you crack a puzzle in a tomb or something 20180724 01:42:09<+discordbot> like he knew dark magics that opened it 20180724 01:42:22<+discordbot> and gave you more knowledge so you are cool wtih him being a necromancer wannabe 20180724 01:43:02<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:43:17<+discordbot> ooh 20180724 01:43:27<+discordbot> maybe its the knowledge plus a curse from a tomb 20180724 01:43:28<+discordbot> rotting your brain 20180724 01:43:35<+discordbot> like you get insane fever adn whatever for a bit 20180724 01:43:37<+discordbot> most people died 20180724 01:43:39<+discordbot> but you lived 20180724 01:43:45<+discordbot> but you lost sanity 20180724 01:44:03<+discordbot> I think this would be in between the EI/DW/TSG era and the SotBE era, but I'm unsure. What do you think the era should be? 20180724 01:44:22<+discordbot> I'm not too sure 20180724 01:44:27<+discordbot> you're the history nerd, init 20180724 01:44:28<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180724 01:46:13<+discordbot> we could have a custom skeleton unit called a Tomb Guard cause that sounds dope af 20180724 01:46:34<+discordbot> I don't want to have mainly you fighting orcs or whatever as a thing really 20180724 01:46:35<+discordbot> sometimes 20180724 01:46:43<+discordbot> but you are mainly there for knowledge and stuff like that 20180724 01:47:08<+discordbot> so a lot of the scenarios would be you tomb-diving, maybe? 20180724 01:47:18<+discordbot> Unless you dont really like that idea 20180724 01:47:25<+discordbot> You are better at writing scenarios 20180724 01:47:36<+discordbot> It sounds fun. 20180724 01:47:52<+discordbot> the tombs have like bits that are broken into 20180724 01:47:53<+discordbot> from caves 20180724 01:47:58<+discordbot> and giant spiders and stuff can be in them 20180724 01:48:03<+discordbot> maybe skeletal guardians 20180724 01:48:20<+discordbot> For time period, there's a few different eras Founding of Wesnoth/Taming of the Wild >TRoW, AOI, LoW, SoF, SotA Golden Age [Maybe Silver Age?] >ATotB, DiD Garardline Dynasties >DM, L, HttT, NR, THoT Silver Age [Bronze?] >TSG, EI, DW another age [i forgot the name] >SotBE After the Fall >UtBS 20180724 01:48:30<+discordbot> it couldnt be founding of wesnoth really 20180724 01:48:44<+discordbot> because thats when the orcs were super strong there 20180724 01:48:46<+discordbot> and savagey 20180724 01:48:46<+discordbot> right? 20180724 01:49:03<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:49:07<+discordbot> it'd have to be a bit later 20180724 01:49:12<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:49:25<+discordbot> for the orcs to be able to develope a society there 20180724 01:49:27<+discordbot> plus wed 20180724 01:49:33<+discordbot> we need cool names and ideas for the orc clans 20180724 01:49:47<+discordbot> maybe not GD, as the world was kinda in chaos then and it wouldn't make sense to chase after another continent of orcs when the one you're already on is infested 20180724 01:49:58<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 01:50:02<+discordbot> with the orcs kinda being all seigy and stuff 20180724 01:50:33<+discordbot> it could be during NR right 20180724 01:50:38<+discordbot> because the orc tribes kind of 20180724 01:50:41<+discordbot> a lot of them joined the alliance 20180724 01:50:44<+discordbot> maybe 20180724 01:51:23<+discordbot> it'd be cool if we dropped a reference character but it'd have to make sense [like konrad or tallin or something choosing to deal with the great threat from the green isle] 20180724 01:51:25<+discordbot> actually 20180724 01:51:38<+discordbot> tallin would make more sense as he's in the north, just south of the tribes 20180724 01:51:45<+discordbot> *konrad II 20180724 01:52:06<+discordbot> We'd just have to have a real good plot excuse for him to sail way out there 20180724 01:52:43<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 and yes, it could be during nr 20180724 01:52:46<+discordbot> *NR 20180724 01:54:32<+discordbot> yeah i guess 20180724 01:54:45<+discordbot> but good plot so far 20180724 01:54:48<+discordbot> we need names and such 20180724 01:55:01<+discordbot> i think we should do it in the following order 20180724 01:55:13-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180724 01:56:08<+discordbot> >Names/Stories/Art for chars >Finalize plot line >Plot scenarios/goals/defeat conditions >Write the scenario code + make maps >Polish/Finalize 20180724 01:57:32<+discordbot> Tallin was always a funny name t ome 20180724 01:57:40<+discordbot> cause my capital is called Tallinn in Estonia :DDD 20180724 01:57:52<+discordbot> Yeah i think so 20180724 01:58:20<+discordbot> I can ask my cousin for art, maybe? 20180724 01:58:49-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 01:59:04<+discordbot> whats kind of a 20180724 01:59:09<+discordbot> popoff type of name 20180724 01:59:11<+discordbot> for a character 20180724 01:59:16<+discordbot> like a go-lucky dude 20180724 01:59:19<+discordbot> happy and full of life 20180724 01:59:24<+discordbot> but also something to be scary 20180724 01:59:26<+discordbot> once he goes mad 20180724 01:59:27<+discordbot> Jerry 20180724 01:59:34<+discordbot> Still Jerry. 20180724 01:59:59<+discordbot> Jermond or Jerry, yes. 20180724 02:00:04<+discordbot> Jerry the Vanquisher. 20180724 02:00:09<+discordbot> Jaghatai Khan 20180724 02:00:34<+discordbot> Jerry kinda sounds good 20180724 02:01:03<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 02:01:07<+discordbot> I guess 20180724 02:01:22<+discordbot> Was jaghatai khan a pun or a suggestion? 20180724 02:01:28<+discordbot> Warhammer 40k primarchs have cool names 20180724 02:01:37<+discordbot> could "kind of" take influence from there 20180724 02:01:43<+discordbot> Horus 20180724 02:01:44<+discordbot> Leman 20180724 02:01:46<+discordbot> Ferrus 20180724 02:01:48<+discordbot> Fulgrim 20180724 02:01:49<+discordbot> Vulkan 20180724 02:01:50<+discordbot> Rogal 20180724 02:01:52<+discordbot> Roboute 20180724 02:01:54<+discordbot> Magnus 20180724 02:01:57<+discordbot> Sanguinius 20180724 02:02:05<+discordbot> Lion El'Jonson 20180724 02:02:07<+discordbot> Lorgar 20180724 02:02:31<+discordbot> What I usually do is spell names how they're pronounced. Also I have this weird thing with replacing all 'S'es with 'Ce', but I won't go into that stuff. 20180724 02:02:39<+discordbot> hmm 20180724 02:02:49<+discordbot> Maybe he could be still called Jerry when he goes mad or whatever 20180724 02:02:56<+discordbot> but your enemies have made a nickname for you 20180724 02:03:01<+discordbot> like a badass nickname they call you 20180724 02:03:05<+discordbot> and you're like wtf no im jerry 20180724 02:03:10<+discordbot> xD 20180724 02:03:32<+discordbot> "The Word bearer comes! TO ARMS!" 20180724 02:03:33<+discordbot> idk 20180724 02:04:13<+discordbot> Should he have like a second in command boi [Kalenz, Landar, Thursagan, Harper, etc] or not? 20180724 02:04:31<+discordbot> I guess that could be the mage dark adept dude 20180724 02:04:32<+discordbot> who 20180724 02:04:40<+discordbot> also acts kind of like the Tongue of Sauron or whatever 20180724 02:04:44<+discordbot> and whispers in your ears 20180724 02:04:46<+discordbot> "they are wrong" 20180724 02:04:54<+discordbot> "They are trying to stop you from attaining knowledge" 20180724 02:04:55<+discordbot> etc 20180724 02:04:57<+discordbot> Ooooooh yes 20180724 02:05:02<+discordbot> which also turns you in turn more mad 20180724 02:05:15<+discordbot> yes 20180724 02:05:18<+discordbot> maybe at the end you are so infuriated in your rage 20180724 02:05:32<+discordbot> that you kill him 20180724 02:05:34<+discordbot> and then sink the city 20180724 02:05:49<+discordbot> with him being a necromancer wannabe and all you could have a mix of a couple of skeletons 20180724 02:05:55<+discordbot> like really limited skeeletons in your army 20180724 02:05:59<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 02:06:02<+discordbot> sounds good 20180724 02:06:03<+discordbot> maybe we could change the ending so if you side with one clan you have Southbay as your fortress, and the other has Clearwater or Stormvale or something? 20180724 02:06:35<+discordbot> so like the assassins always have the same capitol each time, and the trolls have a different one 20180724 02:13:25<+discordbot> I guess 20180724 02:13:40<+discordbot> My thought was that you are kind of an orc underling 20180724 02:13:44<+discordbot> they let you stay there 20180724 02:13:54<+discordbot> aslong as you just keep to yourself and only mess about in Southbay 20180724 02:13:58<+discordbot> as your project 20180724 02:14:18<+discordbot> Okay 20180724 02:14:22<+discordbot> Or maybe 20180724 02:14:24<+discordbot> your goal is southbay 20180724 02:14:28<+discordbot> and you do jobs for the orcs 20180724 02:14:30<+discordbot> to get to southbay 20180724 02:14:35<+discordbot> but your slowly going mad right 20180724 02:14:41<+discordbot> so when you arrive there and start losing the figh 20180724 02:14:41<+discordbot> t 20180724 02:14:44<+discordbot> you just sink the city 20180724 02:14:45<+discordbot> out of anger 20180724 02:16:07<+discordbot> alright 20180724 02:16:38<+discordbot> maybe the second to last scenario is you getting to southbay 20180724 02:16:54<+discordbot> then last one is humans/magi and orcs converging 20180724 02:17:06<+discordbot> 20th turn or so, or when they get in your city 20180724 02:17:09<+discordbot> you sink it 20180724 02:17:36<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 02:18:22<+discordbot> I'm kinda wondering what I would do if I was the King of Wesnoth and I heard of something like this now 20180724 02:18:29<+discordbot> i'd probably be like shook 20180724 02:18:33<+discordbot> S H O O K 20180724 02:18:38<+discordbot> SHOOK 20180724 02:18:44<+discordbot> shooketh 20180724 02:19:14<+discordbot> shoockt 20180724 02:20:06<+discordbot> idk 20180724 02:20:16<+discordbot> anyways this sounds like a good idea 20180724 02:20:17<+discordbot> wait 20180724 02:20:21<+discordbot> wait 20180724 02:20:37<+discordbot> the drakes are either on islands near wesnoth or in the north 20180724 02:20:50<+discordbot> meaning they could be a potential enemy in the voyage 20180724 02:22:38<+discordbot> i have this like huge map of wesnoth I was gonna do this thing with but I forgot 20180724 02:22:45<+discordbot> i could map stuff 20180724 02:22:51<+discordbot> idrk though 20180724 02:25:41<+discordbot> yeah 20180724 02:25:46<+discordbot> you rarely fight drakes anyways so 20180724 02:26:02<+discordbot> anyone whos actually developed a campaign here to give input on our silly ideas? 20180724 02:30:26<+discordbot> I kind of want the character be similiar to Lorgar 20180724 02:30:28<+discordbot> from Warhammer 20180724 02:30:30<+discordbot> "All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth." 20180724 02:30:43<+discordbot> All he ever wanted was the truth. 20180724 02:36:35< celticminstrel> So I have no idea whether anyone said anything in response to my comments earlier. 20180724 02:41:24<+discordbot> I might have 20180724 02:41:27<+discordbot> Lemme checko 20180724 02:42:02<+discordbot> Raising the dead as zombies is probably not objectively bad (since it doesn't directly hurt people) but it would turn off a lot of people; killing people to raise them as zombies, on the other hand, that's bad. 20180724 02:42:04<+discordbot> That? 20180724 02:42:12< celticminstrel> Yeah 20180724 02:42:59<+discordbot> I think it's an interesting perspective 20180724 02:45:05<+discordbot> And I agree, but I'd still find it disturbing if a guy was walking around with dead people 20180724 02:46:27< celticminstrel> Yeah. 20180724 02:46:49<+discordbot> Especially if I happened to previously know said dead person 20180724 02:48:11<+discordbot> Criminals 20180724 02:48:14<+discordbot> as zombie workforce 20180724 02:48:15<+discordbot> ? 20180724 02:48:23<+discordbot> oh 20180724 02:48:25<+discordbot> um 20180724 02:48:28<+discordbot> not sure about that 20180724 02:48:50<+discordbot> Inky is typing... 20180724 02:49:10<+discordbot> oh 20180724 02:50:05<+discordbot> @Konrad2 @samonella i think :cl actually does do the gold carryover properly, like :n. I don't know whether it triggers the victory event though? sometimes important stuff happens there, and i think (??) :cl and :n skip them 20180724 02:50:18<+discordbot> I was thinking of what to type ๐Ÿ˜› 20180724 02:50:27<+discordbot> wait 20180724 02:50:38<+discordbot> inky, you've written some campaigns, right? 20180724 02:50:55<+discordbot> no, i just wrote this tactics puzzles thing that i still need to port to 1.14 20180724 02:51:00<+discordbot> they both fire victory events, but what I suggested was actually to finish the scenario; you can use those commands in the linger mode 20180724 02:51:12<+discordbot> oh, my bad 20180724 02:51:12<+discordbot> you can?? i didn't know that! 20180724 02:51:29<+discordbot> Sorry mate, mistook you for someone else 20180724 02:57:57-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 02:58:47< celmin> It could be a little different if it's spirits though. I kinda liked that about DM, that he was commanding spirits of the dead who came to him of their own will. 20180724 02:59:26< celmin> But yeah, definitely zombies of people you know, especially mindless zombies (and zombies usually are mindless), is just creepy. 20180724 03:05:28<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180724 03:45:06<+discordbot> @Konrad2 I'm curious, did you actually win the Lich terror scenario (you mentioned the enemy leader being easy to bait). I tried it on hard and don't see how you can get through the cave bottlenecks in time ๐Ÿค” 20180724 04:01:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 04:01:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 04:04:40-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20180724 04:09:04<+discordbot> if you debug choose level you run the risk of breaking the campaign though 20180724 04:10:35<+discordbot> although maybe if you use in longer mode it won't ๐Ÿค” 20180724 04:13:56-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180724 04:19:43<+discordbot> Arrrrggggg, why canโ€™t Wesnoth remember I have add-ones installed Dx 20180724 04:46:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 04:46:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 05:22:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 05:22:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 06:34:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 06:44:02-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ufncdfnobxlmirdz] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:08:34<+discordbot> Aww what do you mean? 20180724 07:18:39-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:31:29-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:40:58-!- Guest65784 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:44:09-!- vihta_ [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jndkewznusdnsjwe] has quit [] 20180724 07:44:55-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxegmcjlffdvclwz] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:45:01-!- Guest65784 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180724 07:46:00-!- TheRuralJuror [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 07:56:04<+discordbot> finished Dead Water 20180724 07:59:28<+discordbot> * fun and refreshing scenarios overall * but by the last scenario i was a bit bored; just for fun i droided my side after turn 4, when my recruitment was complete, and surprisingly it won anyway * the family drama part was awkward and felt unresolved * the sword of fire was underwhelming, considering there was a whole big scenario dedicated to getting it 20180724 08:06:08-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180724 08:21:48<+discordbot> @shadowm In the release announcement is a typo. The issue regarding DM is #3277, not #3722. 20180724 08:23:05<+discordbot> I copied what the changelog said 20180724 08:24:00-!- TheRuralJuror is now known as Haudegen 20180724 08:24:08-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 08:24:19<+discordbot> Seems someone fixed it in the branch after the release. 20180724 08:24:48<+discordbot> I only noticed it yesterday and reported it. Then it got fixed. 20180724 08:24:51-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Client Quit] 20180724 08:25:01<+discordbot> :c 20180724 08:33:46< zookeeper> uh, hmm. is it impossible to pass arguments to a lua_function= call? 20180724 08:47:18<+discordbot> I am playing a ladder game vs player "dzomba" with a 5 minute timer. 20180724 08:47:53<+discordbot> It's been 10 minutes since the last move (recruit) and no response. Any explanation why his turn 4 hasn't expired yet? There hasn't been any combat in the game. 20180724 08:48:23-!- discordbot [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 08:48:32-!- discordbot [~discordbo@baldras.wesnoth.org] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 08:48:32-!- mode/#wesnoth [+v discordbot] by ChanServ 20180724 08:49:52<+discordbot> he disconnected and now I'm getting a semaphore period expiration error. Could it be a problem with the server? 20180724 08:50:17<+discordbot> connecting to redirected server ๐Ÿ˜• 20180724 08:50:49<+discordbot> server 2 only accepts development version but not 1.14.4 20180724 08:50:54<+discordbot> fml 20180724 08:59:03<+discordbot> maybe he didnt even receive the turn, if units didnt get their movepoints for the turn, then the timer does not start 20180724 09:08:05-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-jyusohcthrnsoizi] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 09:10:35-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ufncdfnobxlmirdz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180724 09:11:56<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471243117182582794/Untitled.png 20180724 09:13:33-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180724 09:16:29<+discordbot> PRNG? 20180724 09:16:35<+discordbot> does someone have a min to explain 20180724 09:17:56<+discordbot> @Inky Yes, I did. ^^ (The enemy leader being easy to bait works in his favour in this scenario btw.) 20180724 09:18:39< zookeeper> urgh, lua... so if i have a call like wesnoth.fire("message", cfg), what do i need to do if i want to append for example { "and", { id="Delfador" } } to that cfg? 20180724 09:19:08<+discordbot> @Krogen Is there a way to report someone that stalls on time for if there is no timer? 20180724 09:19:24<+discordbot> for ladder 20180724 09:19:30<+discordbot> celmin: I answered to your zombie comment. Let me look for it. 20180724 09:19:33-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 09:19:49<+discordbot> Or if there is a timer but they dont start it 20180724 09:19:53<+discordbot> @Rhike In short, the experimental PRNG implementation calculates how many strikes "should" hit on average based on the hit probability, and heavily biases battle result towards that. 20180724 09:20:42<+discordbot> It's intended to be closer to what people intuitively expect (although, viewing the code, I think it's way over-aggressive and probably won't feel random enough). 20180724 09:21:10<+discordbot> celmin: 'He killed Orcs to raise zombies to kill more orcs. So they would be unable to raid his village. He did kill normal guys in selfdefense too and raised them. He only somewhat turned against humans after they hurt him a lot. As in 'my sister and Drogan want to kill me and don't trust me even though I only tried to help' kind of hurt.' I do recommend though to search for your comment in the chat log, because me and Not Hamel 20180724 09:21:11<+discordbot> talked a bit about Drogan's Death as well. 20180724 09:33:34<+discordbot> @Inky I've now posted my replay of the scenario. 20180724 09:51:42-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548551BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 10:08:32-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fvlcpegbeakhjcam] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 10:10:53<+discordbot> well, if they just disappear, you can report the match as a win 20180724 10:10:58-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-jyusohcthrnsoizi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180724 10:14:25<+discordbot> What if they are just like there 20180724 10:14:32<+discordbot> in the game but nothing happening? 20180724 10:14:38<+discordbot> for like an hour lol ;_; 20180724 10:15:45<+discordbot> Hello. 20180724 10:16:39-!- sevu [~Shiki@p548551BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20180724 10:16:40<+discordbot> Hello! โค๏ธ 20180724 10:16:54<+discordbot> Why spoons? 20180724 10:17:07<+discordbot> What? xP 20180724 10:17:12<+discordbot> Ohh my profile picture 20180724 10:17:42<+discordbot> Hehe :)) because of the cuddle position.. very nice โค๏ธโค๏ธ 20180724 10:18:26<+discordbot> Krogen thank you for your helps by the way as always... :) 20180724 10:29:21<+discordbot> you dont have to wait for an hour 20180724 10:29:40<+discordbot> after like 20 minutes you can report, if they dont move and dont respond 20180724 10:30:57<+discordbot> and if you give them 20 minutes, you already deserve 5 for sportsmanship 20180724 10:31:05<+discordbot> you are only supposed to wait like 10 or 15 20180724 10:32:03<+discordbot> Ohh! Okay :)) Thank you so much!! Hehe โค๏ธโค๏ธ 20180724 10:35:42<+discordbot> Lol x3 has anybody ever gotten a 1 for sportsmanship? xPP I just give everybody 5s always... because I just feel like the fact they were willing to play with me to begin with was very nice of them :)) 20180724 10:36:09<+discordbot> I havent played many ladder games though, and everybody has been great so far 20180724 10:37:59<+discordbot> yes, it happens 20180724 10:38:16<+discordbot> but if you look at the ladder page you can see some nice statistics 20180724 10:38:54<+discordbot> 68.325 games were played overall, 51.605 had sportsmanship ratings 20180724 10:39:05<+discordbot> and the average is 4.63/5 20180724 10:39:32<+discordbot> so thats the attitude you can expect from ladder players 20180724 10:41:24<+discordbot> Aha!! xP ๐Ÿ˜โ˜บ๏ธ 20180724 10:41:36<+discordbot> Yeah everyone on wesnoth is ridiculously nice! 20180724 10:43:19<+discordbot> Ty 20180724 10:43:35<+discordbot> Awww :) I dont know u but u are welcome โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ 20180724 10:45:28<+discordbot> I'd guess he is someone on wesnoth. And you did compliment him. 20180724 10:47:39<+discordbot> oh, here's a good measure for how long I've been gone: I missed 140 pages of LotI. 20180724 10:48:13<+discordbot> 140!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180724 10:48:42<+discordbot> Konrad that is sweet of you.. I am privileged to hang out with you all :)) 20180724 10:48:51<+discordbot> The speed of LotI pages dropped some time ago. 20180724 10:49:21<+discordbot> I remember that it gained 200-300 pages when I made a break once. 20180724 10:49:42<+discordbot> it's a crazy thread for sure. 20180724 10:49:46<+discordbot> WOW i had no idea how big Lotl could get x33 20180724 10:53:47-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180724 11:01:01-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ebinxupvqvhlycft] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 11:03:47-!- vslavik__ [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-fvlcpegbeakhjcam] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180724 11:07:26<+discordbot> I like that you can now rename unis on your recall list. 20180724 11:07:41<+discordbot> (Not like I'll ever use that feature, but I like it. xD) 20180724 11:20:14-!- vslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ebinxupvqvhlycft] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 11:21:21-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ukldiviggnhagsvf] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 11:38:56-!- vladimirslavik [vslavik@nat/redhat/x-ukldiviggnhagsvf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180724 11:40:50-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x55b0afc9.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 11:41:29<+discordbot> Lol xD one of my orcs was named 'Bag' I think which I thought was really cutesy xPP theres no way i want to change his name!! 20180724 11:41:39<+discordbot> Bag!'n ;3 20180724 12:08:23<+discordbot> still, Rush is the best orc name 20180724 12:09:32<+discordbot> PRNG? 20180724 12:09:35<+discordbot> seems interesting 20180724 12:13:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 12:23:17<+discordbot> Hahaha Rush x333 20180724 12:23:31<+discordbot> I love that name!!! 20180724 12:25:22-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 13:01:16-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180724 13:11:57<+discordbot> I prefer the Troll Reck. 20180724 13:21:33< Ravana_> somehow I made my grep work as cd .. instead 20180724 13:22:52<+discordbot> hi 20180724 13:41:21-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180724 13:47:40<+discordbot> ...you what? 20180724 13:54:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 14:13:17-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 15:47:40-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 15:53:31-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 16:02:16-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180724 16:26:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 16:27:45<+discordbot> You did WHAT to him? 20180724 16:40:39-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180724 17:03:51<+discordbot> it feels wrong that Fire Dragon would have Marksman 20180724 17:04:05<+discordbot> as if it were a sniper shooting 20180724 17:08:32<+discordbot> perhaps there should be some weapon special for all bursting attacks like the Dragon's fire, just for thematic reasons 20180724 17:08:37<+discordbot> doesn't matter what it does 20180724 17:08:55<+discordbot> Well, the Fire Dragon is meant to be overpowered, as it's only in two mainline campaigns, TRoW, and SoF, with its undead counter-part only in one, EI. I feel like if I had the ability to shoot fire since birth, I would get pretty good at it over time, hence the 'Marksman' sign. But I'm not entirely sure why it has Marksman, tbh. 20180724 17:17:31<+discordbot> I think that the idea behind that is that its fire has such a spread/is so large that it is hard for it to miss you. 20180724 17:18:06<+discordbot> oh 20180724 17:26:42<+discordbot> is it just me or do Rogues seem older than Assassins :thonk: 20180724 17:30:34<+discordbot> Maybe from the sprite, they might. 20180724 17:35:37<+discordbot> can i see both sprites 20180724 17:35:42<+discordbot> to compare 20180724 17:35:49<+discordbot> cba to launch game rn 20180724 17:45:06-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180724 17:53:39-!- Amany [~gaspar@194.182.72.59] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 17:54:57<+discordbot> units.wesnoth.org 20180724 18:07:41<+discordbot> I've scored 78/80 points in my most recent exam. Virtual drinks are on me! 20180724 18:10:29<+discordbot> gg 20180724 18:19:09<+discordbot> Good job 20180724 18:19:46<+discordbot> Why not 80/80? 20180724 18:20:17<+discordbot> Why not 81? 20180724 18:20:44<+discordbot> So you got around 97.5%, good job. 20180724 18:20:46<+discordbot> @KDraconis that was my point - "marksman" does not suggest such a spread, so a differently named ability would be more fitting 20180724 18:21:09-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 18:21:42<+discordbot> fair enough 20180724 18:21:52<+discordbot> I don't know yet, I'm going to look it up tomorrow though. Because my sentence above and there were no bonus points possible. 'Around'. xD 20180724 18:22:54<+discordbot> I wasn't sure if I mathed right, so I put 'around'. 20180724 18:23:45<+discordbot> You did math it right. ^^ 20180724 18:24:12<+discordbot> 2*1,25% 20180724 18:25:01<+discordbot> Alternatively, 2/80 == 1/40, and 100/40 is 2,5. 100 - 2,5 == 97,5. 20180724 18:25:11<+discordbot> Alright. 20180724 18:26:02<+discordbot> 100 ist 125% of 80, 2 points are missing, so 2*1,25 20180724 18:26:15<+discordbot> That's my way. ^^ 20180724 18:26:54<+discordbot> That's innovation for ya fellas 20180724 18:26:55<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471382782887723008/unknown.png 20180724 18:30:42<+discordbot> Math just isn't my strong suit anymore, so I wasn't sure. 20180724 18:37:29-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-163-210.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 18:43:08-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 19:32:48-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 19:35:53<+discordbot> Oh no 20180724 19:36:01<+discordbot> I remember none of my math equations anymore 20180724 19:36:15<+discordbot> And I'm starting school again after August 20180724 19:36:27<+discordbot> Heh, I used to get straight F's ;_; 20180724 19:36:37<+discordbot> Nice about the 78/80 i could never do that!!! 20180724 19:37:37<+discordbot> I just thought that 100 and 80 are both divisible by five, and 80 is 4/5ths of 100, so I divided 78 by 4 and multiplied it by 5, but wasn't sure if it would work 20180724 19:39:36<+discordbot> I'm not good at maths either. Hence why I'm not studying a field with it. I'm studying politics, media and English in the changing world. I still have to do it though 20180724 19:39:55<+discordbot> I was a B student in this school in maths. 20180724 19:40:04<+discordbot> Lowest grade was a C in Russian 20180724 19:41:15<+discordbot> Oh, interesting. The schools in my area don't offer russian [would take russian if i could] but they offer spanish, french, and german. 20180724 19:42:12< Ravana_> given the location, russian is most common third language 20180724 19:42:23<+discordbot> Its not surprising that Estonian schools offer Russian language courses. There is a large Russian minority there due to Estonias past as a part of the Soviet Union. 20180724 19:45:33<+discordbot> Russian is forced. 20180724 19:45:40<+discordbot> I wouldn't learn it if I didn't need to by law. 20180724 19:45:53<+discordbot> Russian is a forced language in Estonia? 20180724 19:45:54<+discordbot> Really? 20180724 19:45:59<+discordbot> Curious, and interesting 20180724 19:46:04<+discordbot> The reason being "There's a lot of Russians in Estonia and you need to be able to speak to them" 20180724 19:46:07<+discordbot> Is it like that in each of the baltic states 20180724 19:46:10<+discordbot> Even though they are IN ESTONIA 20180724 19:46:15<+discordbot> Yes. I think so. 20180724 19:46:47<+discordbot> If I am not mistaken, English is a mandatory language in a lot of Northern European countries, despite them not hosting a significant English-speaking population 20180724 19:47:08<+discordbot> 25% of Estonian population is Russian. 20180724 19:47:38<+discordbot> Meanwhile, here in Finland 5,5 % of the population is native Swedish speakers, and everyone is required to learn Swedish by law. 20180724 19:47:43<+discordbot> I hate it. 20180724 19:47:52<+discordbot> Certainly quite curious 20180724 19:47:54<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180724 19:47:55<+discordbot> Oh, you live in Estonia? That's interesting. 20180724 19:48:01< Ravana_> it is not forced, but you need to work a lot to replace it with french/german 20180724 19:48:15<+discordbot> English isnt mandatory, BTW. 20180724 19:48:24<+discordbot> So then I am mistaken ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180724 19:48:44<+discordbot> English is mandatory here. 20180724 19:48:54<+discordbot> So I am not ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 19:48:56<+discordbot> But then again so is Computer science from year 3? 20180724 19:49:06<+discordbot> Estonia's a northeastern European country, right? Near Latvia? 20180724 19:49:11<+discordbot> Yep. 20180724 19:49:16<+discordbot> Above Latvia, Below Finland 20180724 19:49:21<+discordbot> Alright 20180724 19:49:32<+discordbot> Baltic state ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180724 19:49:42<+discordbot> Seems like an interesting place. My neighbor went there a few years ago and liked it. 20180724 19:50:29<+discordbot> You might get a few odd looks if you are black though. 20180724 19:50:41<+discordbot> Curious looks because Former-Soviet country 20180724 19:50:52<+discordbot> Alright. 20180724 19:50:54<+discordbot> Not a lot of the old people could have travelled the world to see so it's new for them. 20180724 19:51:00<+discordbot> Okay, interesting. 20180724 19:51:06<+discordbot> Obama! 20180724 19:51:11<+discordbot> I thought I remember somebody throwing around a statistic, I don't remember who it was. But, if I recall, Americans aren't a majority of the Wesnothian community 20180724 19:51:24<+discordbot> I live in Utah, near the west-central USA. 20180724 19:51:50<+discordbot> @V aricks I think you are thinking about the download statistics. 20180724 19:52:07<+discordbot> I think you might be right ๐Ÿ˜‰ 20180724 19:52:17<+discordbot> IIRC, USA is the country with the most downloads, but its share is not anywhere near half. 20180724 19:52:42<+discordbot> There's a lot of mandatory things here 20180724 19:52:47<+discordbot> If you are a citizen. 20180724 19:53:04<+discordbot> Every able-bodied male gets a letter from the goverment when you are 17. 20180724 19:53:10<+discordbot> Calling you to the military for 9-11 months. 20180724 19:53:14<+discordbot> In Estonia, Finland, etc. Do you have to learn international sign language if u have the inability to learn a world language? 20180724 19:53:17<+discordbot> Oh, interesting. 20180724 19:53:37<+discordbot> So the vast majority, if not all of the population, is/are veterans? 20180724 19:53:40<+discordbot> Don't know, @Crimson_Conure. Never had any experience with that. 20180724 19:53:44<+discordbot> oh 20180724 19:53:44<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180724 19:53:49<+discordbot> My dad is ex-marksman. 20180724 19:53:56<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180724 19:53:57<+discordbot> My adopted brother was intelligence 20180724 19:54:04<+discordbot> My uncle was also marksman 20180724 19:54:11<+discordbot> My other uncle was a major 20180724 19:54:16<+discordbot> We also have mandatory military service. 20180724 19:54:17<+discordbot> ex marks the spot!! xPP ex marksman 20180724 19:54:21<+discordbot> My brother currently is a lieutenant. 20180724 19:54:28<+discordbot> I'm gonna go into artillery. 20180724 19:54:33<+discordbot> Interesting. 20180724 19:54:39<+discordbot> However, some people are freed from it. I was freed from service obligation because of my Asperger syndrome. 20180724 19:54:42<+discordbot> My mom also has military experience. 20180724 19:54:53<+discordbot> Ooh cool 20180724 19:55:22<+discordbot> I have a question. So, you said all able bodied men, are women recruited as well or just the men? 20180724 19:55:28<+discordbot> Just men. 20180724 19:55:38<+discordbot> Interesting. 20180724 19:55:56<+discordbot> The feminists here are really dumb though. Women and men are equal here. Atleast I think they are. 20180724 19:56:01<+discordbot> But they are fighting for equality 20180724 19:56:04<+discordbot> third wave, you know? 20180724 19:56:06<+discordbot> Ru-oh 20180724 19:56:11<+discordbot> Hey! Rule 3! 20180724 19:56:14<+discordbot> And the goverment suggested that they have to do military service aswell 20180724 19:56:22<+discordbot> and the movement pretty much stopped. 20180724 19:56:28<+discordbot> Political discussion is not allowed here. Rule 5. 20180724 19:56:31<+discordbot> Wait rule 5 20180724 19:56:35<+discordbot> Sorry. yeah 20180724 19:56:48<+discordbot> Sorry. 20180724 19:57:00<+discordbot> no problemlamo my man it happens 20180724 19:57:54<+discordbot> I think it's just to stay away from arguments. I love debating, but sometimes it just explodes into a huge crapshow and that isn't good/nice for new members 20180724 19:58:18<+discordbot> Yes, it is the reason why politics is banned here. 20180724 19:58:51<+discordbot> But folks, here's something non-controversial: Ogres do indeed lay eggs. 20180724 19:58:59<+discordbot> And when my campaign becomes main-lined, it'll be fact. 20180724 19:59:29<+discordbot> But...ogres are mammals, right? 20180724 19:59:34-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-163-210.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20180724 19:59:52<+discordbot> I mean 20180724 19:59:55<+discordbot> That's extremely offensive, Hamel. 20180724 20:00:02<+discordbot> Platypuses lay eggs 20180724 20:00:06<+discordbot> They're people too 20180724 20:00:06<+discordbot> and they are mammals, right? 20180724 20:00:19<+discordbot> yah 20180724 20:00:35<+discordbot> it's the only one tho 20180724 20:00:51<+discordbot> Sorry, varicks. 20180724 20:00:55<+discordbot> Echidnas also lay eggs. 20180724 20:01:02<+discordbot> yah 20180724 20:01:09<+discordbot> Also, is it Platypuses or Platypi? 20180724 20:01:18<+discordbot> Is it furnaces 20180724 20:01:19<+discordbot> platypuses 20180724 20:01:19<+discordbot> or furni 20180724 20:01:24<+discordbot> okay 20180724 20:01:52<+discordbot> you crack me up yumi 20180724 20:01:54<+discordbot> hmm, I guess youre right about the Echidnas, but the amount of egg-laying mammals is very small 20180724 20:02:02<+discordbot> Yeah 20180724 20:02:05<+discordbot> It's just those two. 20180724 20:02:06<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 20:02:17<+discordbot> Lol if you can write a great campaign with ogres laying eggs, who knows 20180724 20:02:21<+discordbot> it might get mainlined 20180724 20:02:26<+discordbot> and we'll have a new meme ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 20:02:27<+discordbot> it might 20180724 20:02:36<+discordbot> wait, Wesnoth has memes? 20180724 20:02:42<+discordbot> The eggs have red and white stripes 20180724 20:02:46<+discordbot> Coincidence? 20180724 20:02:47<+discordbot> anything can be a meme if you do it write 20180724 20:02:52<+discordbot> right 20180724 20:02:54<+discordbot> Lol 20180724 20:02:59<+discordbot> lol 20180724 20:03:05<+discordbot> Hamel 20180724 20:03:14<+discordbot> my brain doesn't work in hot weather ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 20180724 20:03:15<+discordbot> Skeletons lay eggs 20180724 20:03:22<+discordbot> what 20180724 20:03:32<+discordbot> how would a skeleton even 20180724 20:03:43<+discordbot> nevermind 20180724 20:03:49<+discordbot> don't think we want to go into that 20180724 20:03:55<+discordbot> Those exact lines are going into the campaign 20180724 20:04:04<+discordbot> "I heard skeletons lay eggs" 20180724 20:04:16<+discordbot> "what? How would a skeleton even...? Nevermind." 20180724 20:04:21<+discordbot> Boom 20180724 20:04:40<+discordbot> the next Shakespeare has arisen 20180724 20:04:53<+discordbot> A+ dialogue ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 20:05:32<+discordbot> XD 20180724 20:06:01<+discordbot> I think it might be cool if we based characters off of people to make it realistic 20180724 20:06:05<+discordbot> But not in a creepy way 20180724 20:07:02<+discordbot> Hyper, that actually reminds me a lot about a few lines that are in my campaign 20180724 20:07:11<+discordbot> They're a kind of easter-egg though 20180724 20:08:41<+discordbot> Lol easter egg xDD easter skeleton egg 20180724 20:08:49<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 20:08:51<+discordbot> You find an egg 20180724 20:08:53<+discordbot> Take it in 20180724 20:09:08<+discordbot> And a scenario later a baby skeleton pops out 20180724 20:09:10<+discordbot> Nice 20180724 20:09:14<+discordbot> lol xP 20180724 20:09:41<+discordbot> 0_0 20180724 20:10:28<+discordbot> You don't like that idea? 20180724 20:10:49<+discordbot> Lol just occurred to me that this looks like a dragon's egg cradle ;3 20180724 20:10:49<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471408929734262784/image.jpg 20180724 20:11:18<+discordbot> Oh sorry 20180724 20:11:29<+discordbot> @Crimson_Conure I'm not convinced you don't know what you're doing. 20180724 20:11:48<+discordbot> Disgusting. 20180724 20:11:49<+discordbot> Maybe we should just forbid you from posting pictures tbh. 20180724 20:11:54<+discordbot> I guess i wasnt sure.. I'm so sorry about that 20180724 20:13:30<+discordbot> What was it 20180724 20:13:34<+discordbot> I missed out 20180724 20:13:36<+discordbot> :/ 20180724 20:13:38<+discordbot> Nothing important. 20180724 20:13:53<+discordbot> Moving on. 20180724 20:13:58<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180724 20:14:19<+discordbot> many eggs have skeletons in them 20180724 20:14:37<+discordbot> just not the kind you buy in stores 20180724 20:14:50<+discordbot> Imagine you crack open an egg 20180724 20:14:55<+discordbot> And a skeleton pops out 20180724 20:15:37<+discordbot> imagine you crack open an egg and an ogre pops out ๐Ÿ˜ฑ 20180724 20:15:46<+discordbot> That's hot 20180724 20:16:05<+discordbot> what if you crack open an egg and a skeletal dragon pops out? 20180724 20:16:15<+discordbot> https://i0.wp.com/chickscope.beckman.uiuc.edu/resources/egg_to_chick/figures/figure10.jpg 20180724 20:16:29<+discordbot> somewhere during those days, skeleton is formed 20180724 20:17:03<+discordbot> what if you crack open an egg 20180724 20:17:05<+discordbot> and nothing at all pops out 20180724 20:17:24<+discordbot> which is amazing - that skeleton forms so quickly 20180724 20:17:26<+discordbot> what if you crack open an egg 20180724 20:17:33<+discordbot> NO DISCORD 20180724 20:17:40<+discordbot> DON'T SEND MY MESSAGES TWICE 20180724 20:17:44<+discordbot> Where is my food? 20180724 20:18:42<+discordbot> what if you crack open an egg 20180724 20:18:51<+discordbot> and another egg pops out 20180724 20:19:04<+discordbot> ๐Ÿฅš 20180724 20:19:41<+discordbot> @Not Hamel apparently that is a real thing 20180724 20:19:51<+discordbot> https://countrysidenetwork.com/daily/poultry/eggs-meat/egg-inside-of-an-egg-video/ 20180724 20:20:59<+discordbot> imagine you crack an egg open and you just see another egg inside 20180724 20:21:40<+discordbot> eggception 20180724 20:22:20<+discordbot> i laughed way too hard at 'eggception' 20180724 20:24:14<+discordbot> wait 20180724 20:24:29<+discordbot> there are double yolked eggs, and some eggs have eggs in them 20180724 20:24:39<+discordbot> what if you found a double egg with a double yolk 20180724 20:26:38<+discordbot> i wonder what the chances are for that 20180724 20:26:46<+discordbot> but i'm too lazy to calculate atm 20180724 20:27:51<+discordbot> well the chance of each one happening then multiplied separately 20180724 20:28:00<+discordbot> if you're assuming they're independent events 20180724 20:28:13<+discordbot> alright 20180724 20:44:02<+discordbot> 20180724 20:44:03<+discordbot> https://www.google.de/search?q=wesnoth+meme&client=ms-android-samsung&source=android-browser&prmd=ivn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=MwIkBX7EM0BbgM%253A%252CPsvVzHXXFGGLsM%252C_%253BAVOM7OWrt4XekM%253A%252C-CM_YLKPe0oPhM%252C_%253B1MZl0IY9hCOyCM%253A%252CgzCxosvbL-3XpM%252C_%253BQsTUfN_yX3cXPM%253A%252CBoEzQ59yzidllM%252C_%253BHkRG0-VnokMesM%253A%252Cdr0pDR7f1H2UEM%252C_%253BvVMq-lF7CtLNAM%253A%252Cdr0pDR7f1H2UEM%252C_%253BGOZb8MJoLguudM%253A%25 20180724 20:44:03<+discordbot> 2CBoEzQ59yzidllM%252C_%253BBMnoBZcm9xqN8M%253A%252CvUiQEulSi1JOWM%252C_%253BXEskYOuEAKaSCM%253A%252Ct24D0TM82pFcEM%252C_%253BPSDJa9bLfAhfiM%253A%252CCuoIocAW9aY2-M%252C_&usg=__Zk1kT1vdqK0YZJsPPwWroLgYkFc%3D&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY5L7tzLjcAhXOmLQKHbh1BGEQ4216BAgJECQ&biw=360&bih=512#imgrc=QiJZfQiN413xjM: 20180724 20:44:07<+discordbot> Wesnoth meme 20180724 20:44:20<+discordbot> Wow. This link os way too long. XD 20180724 20:44:33< Ravana_> indeed, its split over 4 messages 20180724 20:46:08<+discordbot> instead of linking to a google image search, link to the image directly 20180724 20:46:28<+discordbot> https://goo.gl/images/VUHqn1 20180724 20:47:07<+discordbot> Way better. 20180724 20:47:39<+discordbot> >:O 20180724 20:50:52<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/471419011083665499/1532465437717909796460.jpg 20180724 20:51:58<+discordbot> oof 20180724 20:52:00<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=57314&mode=view 20180724 20:52:58<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ‘Œ 20180724 20:53:32<+discordbot> i just realized how anime-styled Kondrad's hair is 20180724 20:53:51<+discordbot> I think was. 20180724 20:54:03<+discordbot> To be fair, my hair does look like that sometimes. 20180724 20:54:04-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180724 20:54:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180724 20:54:15<+discordbot> A different colour though. 20180724 20:54:31<+discordbot> history lesson for young ones: the art of the early days was VERY anime, by an artist who left somewhat quickly 20180724 20:55:23<+discordbot> *not ancient ones 20180724 20:55:31<+discordbot> Still better than todays Konrad. :V 20180724 20:56:12<+discordbot> I actually remember the old portraits 20180724 20:59:06<+discordbot> ssame 20180724 21:00:19<+discordbot> looked animesque 20180724 21:04:36<+discordbot> https://i.imgur.com/Z3VunMo.png 20180724 21:04:44<+discordbot> i couldn't find it directly on web 20180724 21:04:59<+discordbot> i somehow remembered it as being even more anime 20180724 21:05:28<+discordbot> ill check other versions 20180724 21:07:56<+discordbot> yeah i don't think this was the first one 20180724 21:08:14<+discordbot> this was jetryl's first try mayb.e 20180724 21:08:55<+discordbot> http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/battleforwesnoth_5.jpg 20180724 21:09:06<+discordbot> WOW 20180724 21:12:19<+discordbot> YEEES i found it 20180724 21:12:19<+discordbot> How do I go about truncating a variable in WML? 20180724 21:12:50<+discordbot> https://i.imgur.com/yppXeNf.png 20180724 21:13:06<+discordbot> Reminds me of Lina Inverse ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180724 21:13:09<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180724 21:13:15<+discordbot> it was in the images/misc folder' that's how i missed it 20180724 21:13:16<+discordbot> Similar 20180724 21:13:35<+discordbot> because /portraits did not yet exist 20180724 21:16:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 21:17:38-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 21:17:46<+discordbot> https://imgur.com/MfDeU03 20180724 21:17:46<+discordbot> https://i.imgur.com/tr3rKSy.png 20180724 21:18:11<+discordbot> https://i.imgur.com/MfDeU03.png 20180724 21:18:50-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 21:19:40<+discordbot> whos this 20180724 21:19:44<+discordbot> Last one is cute. 20180724 21:19:46<+discordbot> kalenz and lisar 20180724 21:19:52<+discordbot> so this is Kalenz 20180724 21:19:57<+discordbot> his true nature 20180724 21:20:02<+discordbot> when were these a thing? 20180724 21:20:09<+discordbot> i dont remember the old Wesnoth portraits looking like this 20180724 21:20:20<+discordbot> 2004-08-14 20180724 21:20:23<+discordbot> oook 20180724 21:20:27<+discordbot> so like, very early wesnoth? 20180724 21:20:31<+discordbot> yes 20180724 21:20:45<+discordbot> then the art was done by the guy who did the anime style rather than the cartoony style 20180724 21:20:51<+discordbot> and now we're transitioning to a more gritty style 20180724 21:20:57<+discordbot> am i right? 20180724 21:21:00<+discordbot> wesnoth started in 2003, but 2004 was when contributors started arriving 20180724 21:21:09<+discordbot> no, the transition happened some 10 years ago 20180724 21:21:12<+discordbot> k 20180724 21:21:37<+discordbot> there were lots of midsteps. it is not as if someone decided, "now we transition to this", whoever was available to do art, did it 20180724 21:21:56<+discordbot> k 20180724 21:22:35<+discordbot> y'know those artworks make me envision Wesnoth with CDI-Zelda style artwork https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN8-Pdz-ns8 20180724 21:22:38<+discordbot> (and its quite unsettling) 20180724 21:22:56<+discordbot> (not the anime ones, the cartoony ones) 20180724 21:26:36<+discordbot> gotta love the Youtube Poop days 20180724 21:27:57<+discordbot> Youtube poop days? 20180724 21:28:01<+discordbot> is confused 20180724 21:28:26<+discordbot> it was pretty much an oldschool era of YouTube where meme videos were called YouTube Poops 20180724 21:28:52<+discordbot> and they had the tendency to use footage from 2 shitty Zelda games and 1 shitty Mario game, all for the Phillips CDI console which did badly 20180724 21:29:22<+discordbot> oh and also from the I.M. Meen game from MS-DOS due to that game's cutscenes being done by the same russian animation studio who did the Zelda and Mario CDI games 20180724 21:29:46<+discordbot> Alright 20180724 21:29:57<+discordbot> the cutscenes were hilariously bad in all 4, and so they became a heavily-used meme source to create YouTube Poop videos 20180724 21:30:03<+discordbot> though other media was used as well 20180724 21:30:46<+discordbot> I don't remember the 'youtube poop days'...perhaps I'm too youbng? 20180724 21:30:53<+discordbot> it was in the earlier days of YouTube 20180724 21:31:00<+discordbot> Alright 20180724 21:31:18<+discordbot> it went so far to the point where people thought of shitpost-lore 20180724 21:31:23<+discordbot> like, Luigi being gay 20180724 21:31:37<+discordbot> luigi? 20180724 21:31:41<+discordbot> from Mario 20180724 21:31:43<+discordbot> Mario's brother. 20180724 21:31:45<+discordbot> you know, the Mario series 20180724 21:31:50<+discordbot> Oh, okay 20180724 21:31:52<+discordbot> Poor guy. 20180724 21:31:57<+discordbot> Green plumber. 20180724 21:31:57<+discordbot> No-one ever remembers he exists. 20180724 21:32:03<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiqLQUh0f38 pretty much there's this scene from Hotel Mario (the CDI Mario game) where Mario says "Nice of the princess to invite us for dinner, eh, Luigi?" 20180724 21:32:07<+discordbot> Not even during his own year. 20180724 21:32:14<+discordbot> isn't he the tall green guy? 20180724 21:32:20< aeth> Luigi's fine. Waluigi's the oe who gets neglected. 20180724 21:32:23<+discordbot> BUT, the "Eh, Luigi" part sounds more like "Gay Luigi" and so people have jokingly decided to say that Luigi is gay 20180724 21:32:29-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180724 21:32:47<+discordbot> that's...er...interesting 20180724 21:32:58<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyM1UGD8sqM theres also this as an example 20180724 21:33:34<+discordbot> Robotnik says "Snooping as usual, I see?" but the way his voice actor says it with the emphasis on the "ping as" part, people have cut out the "ping as" part and made the word "PINGAS" out of it, which is internet meme slang for "Penis" 20180724 21:33:41<+discordbot> i've never heard of gay luigi 20180724 21:34:01<+discordbot> Luigi isnt actually gay, its just something people joke about due to that "Eh Luigi" part sounding as if Mario calls Luigi gay 20180724 21:34:10<+discordbot> Ik 20180724 21:35:17<+discordbot> but yeah, lets just say shitposting used to be quite creative 20180724 21:35:22<+discordbot> and this is a good example 20180724 21:35:36<+discordbot> (the term shitpost didnt even exist during these times lol) 20180724 21:36:02<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-we597u_ZQ heres an example of how creative this type of shitposting can get 20180724 21:36:31<+discordbot> yes, someone made an animation with CDI models (even edited to have smooth movements) where they look like they're duking it out in an RPG battle and they also reference other media while doing this 20180724 21:36:41<+discordbot> wow 20180724 21:36:47<+discordbot> this is...er..interesting 20180724 21:37:01<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVeCC9m1Xl or this, where they have CDI characters (and others used in memes) duking it out in a space battle with Starfox Arwings 20180724 21:37:25<+discordbot> YouTube Poop is a heavily-developed meme culture and its only recently dying out even tho it still exists 20180724 21:37:57<+discordbot> oh wait the link doesnt work 20180724 21:38:06<+discordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVeCC9m1XI 20180724 21:38:11<+discordbot> here you go 20180724 21:38:18<+discordbot> but yeah...back to Wesnoth 20180724 21:39:03<+discordbot> Luckily. 20180724 21:39:08<+discordbot> ? 20180724 21:39:27<+discordbot> I prefer talking about wesnoth. 20180724 21:39:53<+discordbot> i'm kinda shocked i don't know about the 'poop age' of youtube, but yea, back to wesnoth 20180724 21:46:23-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 22:04:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 22:15:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 22:21:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180724 22:21:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 22:34:09-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180724 22:46:32-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 23:26:13-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has joined #wesnoth 20180724 23:57:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Wed Jul 25 00:00:12 2018