--- Log opened Thu Jul 26 00:00:22 2018 20180726 00:00:26-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 00:13:53<+discordbot> To answer he is good kitty 20180726 00:14:00<+discordbot> He accepts pets and treats 20180726 00:14:18<+discordbot> But has a bad habit of knawing on fingers that are near him 20180726 00:16:30<+discordbot> sounds painful 20180726 00:40:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 00:40:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 00:45:24<+discordbot> Do Dwarves in the Dulatus hills? 20180726 00:46:31<+discordbot> Do only Humans live in Wesnoth in significant numbers? 20180726 01:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 01:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 01:56:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 01:56:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 01:56:58<+discordbot> Dwarves are numerous, but spread out, elves are numerous, but well hidden, and orc’s numbers are rampant, kept only in check by humans, who have the gall to live out in the open 20180726 01:57:15< celmin> :| 20180726 01:59:17<+discordbot> I think that there was something in TRoW about Elves/Dwarves [scenario 12ish, A New Land], where the Elves are pissed at the Dwarves for being in the south hills [Brown Hills specifically, I think], and I think one of the Elves had a line like, "By ancient treaty, you are only bound to the hills/mounts north of the Great River" or something. Sorry, but my memory isn't the best on this. 20180726 02:00:49<+discordbot> Also, this may have changed, as the version I played last was 1.12.6. 20180726 02:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 02:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 02:07:29<+discordbot> Come to think about this, this is mildly contradicted by two campaigns [EI + TSG]. In EI, we encounter a group of Dwarves in the north Dulatus mounts, which is south of the Great River. It's a small clan [the leader only recruits about 3 dwarves], so they may have passed south easily in the past. In TSG, in the Black Forest, we encounter a group of trolls who had explosive powder. There's a line here about how the troll leader had 20180726 02:07:29<+discordbot> to kill the dwarves to get the gunpowder. Again, this may just be a small clan, but that is very, very far south of the Great River, and just short of the Athen-Elves' territory. 20180726 02:07:46<+discordbot> @V aricks That's what I know on the subject, sorry if I'm not of the most help. 20180726 02:09:19<+discordbot> *North Estmark Mounts 20180726 02:11:32<+discordbot> So there could be Dwarves in the Dulatus/Estmark ranges, as in canon, some Dwarves are south of the Great River. But it's likely not very many due to treaties, humans, and elves living in a lot of those places. Dwarves may just really not obey the treaty, but who really knows? 20180726 02:13:15<+discordbot> I 20180726 02:13:29<+discordbot> [Sorry, hit enter too quick] 20180726 02:13:48<+discordbot> But I might just be overthinking this, as I'm just a nerd of Wesnoth. 20180726 02:37:46-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 02:37:52-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 03:00:57-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@1.121.100.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180726 03:10:12-!- sigurdfd [sigurdfd@dynamic-acs-72-23-110-196.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20180726 03:37:08-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 03:56:50-!- Appleman1234_ [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 04:00:10-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180726 04:39:24<+discordbot> Tbh 20180726 04:39:31<+discordbot> How are you gonna tell where the river is 20180726 04:39:36<+discordbot> If you are deep underground 20180726 04:50:39< celmin> ? 20180726 05:01:02<+discordbot> the last mission of Heir to the Throne... is it actually possible? this seems extremely tough 20180726 05:01:12<+discordbot> then again, i'm still not all that great at the game 20180726 05:01:25<+discordbot> i have two Grand Knights from the previous scenario 20180726 05:03:11<+discordbot> this is exactly the kind of absolutely brutal gameplay i was expecting, at least 20180726 05:03:21<+discordbot> i absolutely love this, even if i'm not able to win 20180726 05:04:16-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20180726 05:05:19-!- Guest43156 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 05:05:28< celticminstrel> I know I've beaten HTTT on 1.10 so it's probably possible. 20180726 05:05:34< celticminstrel> (That was probably on easy, mind you.) 20180726 05:06:19<+discordbot> this is also on easy for me 20180726 05:06:38<+discordbot> this is only my second campaign, and i haven't played much MP 20180726 05:06:44<+discordbot> pretty much all of the campaigns are possible to beat 😶 20180726 05:06:44<+discordbot> i did win an FFA once, proud of that 20180726 05:07:20<+discordbot> also a scenario is usually easier the second time around, since you can adjust your strategy 20180726 05:07:39<+discordbot> yeah 20180726 05:08:40<+discordbot> i only have a few tier 3 units, a lot of my progressing folks died off 20180726 05:09:00<+discordbot> if i ever played this again the only unit i would ever build would be shamans 20180726 05:09:08<+discordbot> and then i could make them all into sylphs later 20180726 05:10:59<+discordbot> you can focus on feeding your low levels to advance them 20180726 05:12:19<+discordbot> Rebels are definitely my favorite faction 20180726 05:16:44<+discordbot> i was also curious about something 20180726 05:16:56<+discordbot> @Yumi what's that unit in your avatar? what mod is it from? 20180726 05:19:24<+discordbot> It's literally Yumi from Genesis. 20180726 05:19:29<+discordbot> Yumi's campaign. 20180726 05:19:33<+discordbot> oo 20180726 05:20:12<+discordbot> (And no, Yumi wasn't named after them, their username on the forums at the time was nemaara.) 20180726 05:20:34<+discordbot> and that's the name the mod authoring is under 20180726 05:20:37<+discordbot> so it makes sense 20180726 05:20:46<+discordbot> i'll download it 20180726 05:20:56<+discordbot> Wellll good luck with that. 20180726 05:21:04<+discordbot> 😶 20180726 05:21:06<+discordbot> is it real hard? 20180726 05:21:08<+discordbot> It has a bit of a lore dependency on IftU and AtS. 20180726 05:21:18-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180726 05:21:19<+discordbot> But I reckon you can still make sense of it without having played neither? 20180726 05:21:24<+discordbot> Maybe? 20180726 05:21:25<+discordbot> yes 20180726 05:21:33<+discordbot> it doesn't require any prerequisites 20180726 05:21:41<+discordbot> what are those? other user campaigns? 20180726 05:21:48<+discordbot> Yes, IftU and AtS are mine. 20180726 05:22:01<+discordbot> AtS is still not out on the 1.14 server. 20180726 05:22:07<+discordbot> But IftU is. 20180726 05:22:08<+discordbot> I'm not really sure how hard Genesis is rn 20180726 05:22:37<+discordbot> hard mode is very hard but I've gradually been reducing the difficulty on easy and normal so maybe it's okay 20180726 05:22:38-!- Appleman1234_ [~quassel@58.165.254.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180726 05:22:51<+discordbot> i'm probably gonna play it on EZ first 20180726 05:23:02<+discordbot> have only been playing the game for a few days 20180726 05:23:36<+discordbot> I tend to feel like IftU is easier than Genesis, at least the incarnation of the latter I played back in the day. 20180726 05:23:45<+discordbot> [definitely not tooting her own horn here] 20180726 05:23:50<+discordbot> it's been made easier 20180726 05:23:55<+discordbot> well i'll play that too, if i can find it 20180726 05:23:58<+discordbot> what's the full name? 20180726 05:24:03<+discordbot> Invasion from the Unknown. 20180726 05:24:41<+discordbot> Yumi is writing an essay explaining how Genesis is actually easy if you spam Spectres probably. 20180726 05:24:51<+discordbot> lol 20180726 05:24:57<+discordbot> (can you spam Spectres in Genesis, I don't remember) 20180726 05:25:12<+discordbot> nah I was going to say you need to play UtBS before playing IftU 20180726 05:25:27<+discordbot> And DiD. 20180726 05:25:29<+discordbot> you can't spam spectres in Genesis, they'll just die 20180726 05:25:32<+discordbot> Or maybe not DiD. 20180726 05:25:36<+discordbot> But it's a good idea. 20180726 05:25:53<+discordbot> maybe i won't spam Spectres then 20180726 05:25:58<+discordbot> are those an undead unit? 20180726 05:26:11<+discordbot> yup 20180726 05:26:17<+discordbot> Ghost → Wraith → Spectre 20180726 05:26:17<+discordbot> tier 3 ghost 20180726 05:26:24<+discordbot> the one with the sick scythe 20180726 05:26:28<+discordbot> oh wait 20180726 05:26:31<+discordbot> not that one, the other one 20180726 05:26:33<+discordbot> with the white face 20180726 05:26:37<+discordbot> Ghost → Shadow → Nightgaunt as well. 20180726 05:26:44<+discordbot> The Nightgaunt would be the one with the blank facemask. 20180726 05:26:45<+discordbot> white face are nightgaunts 20180726 05:27:27<+discordbot> shows how much i know about undead, lol 20180726 05:29:39<+discordbot> playing Descent into Darkness will help you get used to them 20180726 05:36:08<+discordbot> making my descent into geneknown 20180726 05:38:09<+discordbot> 😂 20180726 05:49:22<+discordbot> Idk 20180726 05:49:27<+discordbot> Rebels never called out to me 20180726 06:04:01<+discordbot> first mission of Invasion and it's already nuts 20180726 06:04:15<+discordbot> i'm not sure how i'll manage to kill both of those enemy lords 20180726 06:09:48<+discordbot> IftU is hard 20180726 06:10:31<+discordbot> probably expert level, especially since easy mode isn't a lot easier than normal or hard 20180726 06:11:08<+discordbot> I was told it was beginner level back in the day when everyone else perceived it to be really hard. 20180726 06:11:17<+discordbot> By one of the mp devs. 20180726 06:11:47<+discordbot> And it was marked expert at the time. 20180726 06:12:01<+discordbot> and now it's marked intermediate 20180726 06:12:09<+discordbot> I bumped the difficulty by a very marginal amount and relabeled it as intermediate. 20180726 06:13:03<+discordbot> well i have noticed one thing 20180726 06:13:08<+discordbot> 🤷 20180726 06:13:17<+discordbot> the enemy commanders aren't spamming units like i was expecting them to 20180726 06:13:29<+discordbot> Scenario 1? 20180726 06:13:51<+discordbot> yeah 20180726 06:13:59<+discordbot> Yeah that's intentional. 20180726 06:14:07<+discordbot> these Chaos Invader units are absolutely crazy strong though 20180726 06:14:22<+discordbot> You can either read it as me trying to lull you into a sense of fall security or trying to ease you up into what follows next. 20180726 06:14:38<+discordbot> they have good stats but bad defenses on sand 20180726 06:15:10<+discordbot> play defensive at night and push during the day 20180726 06:15:37<+discordbot> lure onto sand and you should be able to wipe them out in just a couple turns 20180726 06:30:48<+discordbot> getting real close to this Chaos Arbalest commander 20180726 06:42:37-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.246.243] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 06:50:49<+discordbot> i actually won, and got a lot of level 2 units 20180726 06:50:56<+discordbot> but i had 3 turns left 20180726 06:53:28<+discordbot> next scenario is harder so gl 20180726 06:55:05<+discordbot> if i use what i learned from before, i can do it 20180726 06:55:14<+discordbot> i'll even go for the early finish 20180726 06:56:24-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.246.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180726 06:56:32<+discordbot> anlinde is interesting 20180726 06:59:07<+discordbot> tier 3 units are incredibly intimidating, for sure 20180726 06:59:28<+discordbot> but the more i think about attacking them during the day, and using shaman magic to make them even weaker 20180726 06:59:33<+discordbot> it seems a lot less difficult 20180726 07:03:05-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.125.110] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 07:15:32-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180726 07:20:35<+discordbot> this is totally the best way to actually make a scenario i'd say 20180726 07:20:46<+discordbot> make it look impossible when it really isn't 20180726 07:22:12-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 07:56:58-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180726 08:29:54<+discordbot> You should love NR then. 😂 😂 😂 😂 20180726 08:36:43<+discordbot> @shadowm Should Shaxtals really be in the Wesnoth wiki? They are not exactly canon... 20180726 08:36:51<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Shaxthals 20180726 08:37:48-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@58.165.125.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180726 08:40:12<+discordbot> Nothing's ever stopped people from adding noncanon stuff to the wiki (see also LotI). 20180726 08:40:29<+discordbot> As long as it's clear it's non-canon material in some way or another. 20180726 08:40:36<+discordbot> That said, Shaxthals could have become canon. 20180726 08:43:42-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 08:43:55<+discordbot> As it's written there, it was hoped that it would become canon at some time (together with the Thunderstone era). 20180726 08:44:10<+discordbot> That is correct. 20180726 08:47:46<+discordbot> An era I've never had heard of before today. Even though I was around before 1.7. ._. 20180726 08:49:30<+discordbot> ive heard of it, i think esr had something to do with it 20180726 08:49:52<+discordbot> Can I say that there are now 7 main races instead of 6? (Dunefolk) 20180726 08:50:48<+discordbot> (Editing wesnoth wiki.) 20180726 08:51:22<+discordbot> "main" is ambiguous, avoid that word simply? 20180726 08:52:36<+discordbot> I'd have to delete a lot of old wiki in that case. 20180726 08:53:18<+discordbot> also did you mean "factions" instead of "races"? 20180726 08:53:21<+discordbot> I mean, I really can't say the Dunefolk is exactly a minor race. 20180726 08:53:23<+discordbot> Nope. 20180726 08:53:36<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=Races 20180726 08:53:41<+discordbot> i guess there are 6 races that are more important, but races have no gameplay significance so it is odd to want to refer to them very much 20180726 08:54:07<+discordbot> How about spelling it out? "The Default era has six factions" 20180726 08:54:29<+discordbot> But I'm not in the faction part of the wiki, but in the races part... 20180726 08:54:43<+discordbot> Factions is a separate part of the wiki. 20180726 08:55:14<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Factions_and_Eras 20180726 08:55:30<+discordbot> You could just remove the "races" part, I think. Like blarumyrran said, they have no gameplay significance, and it doesn't make much sense to have a chapter for them. 20180726 08:56:05<+discordbot> ...that's a whole lot to be removed. 20180726 08:56:42<+discordbot> I don't feel comfortable to do so without at least someone else to take a look at it. 😅 20180726 09:01:00<+discordbot> If we do deleted the Race Chapter, do we keep the individual [Race] Chapters of Trolls, Humans, whatever? 20180726 09:01:15<+discordbot> If "main" means, heavily represented in campaigns, then Dunefolk are obviously not a main race 20180726 09:01:18<+discordbot> And if we don't, where do we move the SecretLore? 20180726 09:01:26<+discordbot> then they are less main than Wolves 😄 20180726 09:02:36<+discordbot> (I really hope that we won't remove the individual [Race] chapters, they are partially a treasuretrove about those races.) 20180726 09:03:05<+discordbot> i thought they are duplicates of help text 20180726 09:04:24<+discordbot> Nope. 20180726 09:05:57<+discordbot> This stuff was last updated late 2016/middle 2017. And there is still more info about some of the races than in the help text. (For some there is less too.) 20180726 09:07:29<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Saurians 20180726 09:07:55<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Undead_(race) 20180726 09:10:53<+discordbot> so you count a "main" race as a race that forms the core of a faction in the Default era, right? 20180726 09:11:16<+discordbot> in an era included mainline* 20180726 09:12:10<+discordbot> you might as well spell that out: seven races form the cores of the seven factions included in mainline eras (six in Default, seven in Default+Dunefolk) 20180726 09:15:16<+discordbot> I'd liked to get a consens here so I know what to do with the wiki. XD 20180726 09:15:29<+discordbot> That means more than two people reacting. 20180726 09:16:35<+discordbot> The header says: "Of all the races, six races in particular have been instrumental in the history of the world of Wesnoth - the humans, the elves, the orcs, the dwarves, the undead, the drakes." 20180726 09:16:46<+discordbot> this is obviously wrong for Dunefolk, but also for Drakes 20180726 09:19:01<+discordbot> We are discussing if I should remove that page. Afterwards, if it's a 'no', we can still discuss ow I should edit it. xD 20180726 09:19:26<+discordbot> Were you the one asking about the Drakes leaving Morogor? 20180726 09:19:49<+discordbot> i dont know what that is so probably not 20180726 09:19:59<+discordbot> it's something not present in mainline campaigns, right? 20180726 09:20:48-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:39a0:1364:25e1:8da4] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 09:24:41<+discordbot> An interesting look at the way for-profit gaming companies handle their customers: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-23-fifa-player-uses-gdpr-to-find-out-everything-ea-has-on-him-realises-hes-spent-over-usd10-000-in-two-years-on-ultimate-team 20180726 09:25:04<+discordbot> it is not just that Drakes do not have a campaign, and it is not just that they appear in campaigns rarely - i think what makes drakes so peripheral above all is that when they do appear in campaigns, it is always in some incidental role. "we were traveling from A to B, suddenly there were random drakes on the way." 20180726 09:26:41<+discordbot> Drakes never have a motivation beyond "randomly blocking the road" 20180726 09:26:52<+discordbot> hey man, roads are important 20180726 09:27:01<+discordbot> and if you wanna pass, you gotta pay the drake toll 20180726 09:27:07<+discordbot> in blood 20180726 09:28:15<+discordbot> Morogor is present in The Rise of Wesnoth. 20180726 09:28:33<+discordbot> And there have already been multiple UMC about them. ^^ 20180726 09:28:48<+discordbot> oh, morogor was the drake isle 20180726 09:29:03<+discordbot> And you could read the ingame help about the Drakes and you'd know why they block the way. xD 20180726 09:29:15<+discordbot> justifications do not matter 20180726 09:29:26<+discordbot> for the player, in essence they are random roadblockers 20180726 09:29:28<+discordbot> Wait no, not the ingame help. The wiki. 20180726 09:29:40<+discordbot> we gotta have a campaign about dislodging the drakes and filing sanctions against their illegal toll business 20180726 09:29:41<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Drakes_(race) 20180726 09:29:46<+discordbot> That's life. 20180726 09:30:14<+discordbot> And life is random. 20180726 09:30:47<+discordbot> the entire point of plot is that things do not happen completely randomly; otherwise everything is like Super Mario levels 20180726 09:31:00<+discordbot> where just area with enemy 1 follows area with enemy 2 20180726 09:31:07<+discordbot> if we're talking statistically, just about any race could take that role of being a roadblock 20180726 09:31:15<+discordbot> sometimes the drakes are used 20180726 09:31:26<+discordbot> my point was that drakes have role besides that 20180726 09:31:59<+discordbot> is there anyone who would doubt that? 20180726 09:32:15<+discordbot> what do you mean? 20180726 09:32:50<+discordbot> there's no reason people wouldn't use drakes elsewhere, that's just where people like to put 'em 20180726 09:33:11<+discordbot> i was commenting on "Of all the races, six races in particular have been instrumental in the history of the world of Wesnoth - the humans, the elves, the orcs, the dwarves, the undead, the drakes." - i don't think it is right to say drakes have been instrumental in the history of Wesnoth, if they never appear to have any presence in mainline plot except as random roadblockers 20180726 09:33:34<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Dwarves This really grinds my gears. A screenshot of a scenario in HttT, titled with 'The Hammer of Thursagen'. ._. 20180726 09:33:59<+discordbot> There was that one time where you invaded their homeland. 20180726 09:34:13<+discordbot> because they randomly blocked your road 20180726 09:34:19<+discordbot> Uhm. 20180726 09:34:21<+discordbot> No. 20180726 09:34:26<+discordbot> oki, maybe i misremember? 20180726 09:34:35<+discordbot> You landed on their island. 20180726 09:34:37<+discordbot> yes 20180726 09:34:42<+discordbot> Where they had been living for centuries. 20180726 09:34:46<+discordbot> yes 20180726 09:34:55<+discordbot> that is exactly what i mean 20180726 09:34:59<+discordbot> And you knew they lived there. 20180726 09:35:03<+discordbot> they have no "active" role of any kind 20180726 09:35:13<+discordbot> I was coming to that. 20180726 09:35:35<+discordbot> There was that one time where you control a drake leader fighting side by side with your humans. 20180726 09:35:46<+discordbot> To free the north from the rule of the orcs. 20180726 09:35:58<+discordbot> Very epic fight, much mainline, much wow. 20180726 09:36:04<+discordbot> NR yes? 20180726 09:36:07<+discordbot> Yes. 20180726 09:36:18<+discordbot> 30 lvl 3 Drakes pack quite a punch. 20180726 09:36:23<+discordbot> still - there the Drakes do not really behave as a faction as much as part of this superfaction that you are constructing 20180726 09:36:34<+discordbot> No. 20180726 09:36:47<+discordbot> We are talking races btw. 20180726 09:36:50<+discordbot> Not factions. 20180726 09:36:57<+discordbot> right, i do not mean faction in the Default era sense 20180726 09:37:08<+discordbot> There were about 4-6 allied races. 20180726 09:37:08<+discordbot> i mean "faction" - fine, let's say, "historical actor" 20180726 09:37:23<+discordbot> In that case, 4 historical actos. 20180726 09:37:26<+discordbot> *actors 20180726 09:37:44<+discordbot> They were extremely instrumental. 20180726 09:38:07<+discordbot> No Drakes = no northern alliance. 😄 20180726 09:38:09<+discordbot> tbh i do not remember (try not remember?) NR very well, so i cannot argue much here 20180726 09:38:32<+discordbot> but even so, all of the races in NR are outside of their "normal" being 20180726 09:38:41<+discordbot> How so? 20180726 09:40:20<+discordbot> (And does that subtract from the argument?) 20180726 09:40:39<+discordbot> "just another race in this superalliance" degrades any personality of the race as a historical actor 20180726 09:42:22<+discordbot> It sure didn't feel like that though... 20180726 09:47:54<+discordbot> it is a bit like the differences between living beings in the wild, who form ecosystems, and living beings in a zoo, who are just cage fillers, organized like drawers 20180726 09:54:54<+discordbot> It's kinda fun to see that SoF was an addon back then in 1.0 xD 20180726 09:55:21<+discordbot> most mainline campaigns started off as umc 20180726 09:58:04<+discordbot> I know. But personally I've only seen this happen to two campaigns. Almost all of them were already 'there' when I started, which is why them being always mainline is somewhat rooted in my mind, even though I know better. 20180726 09:59:25<+discordbot> Why is the 'Orcish Slayer' unit coloured mostly brown, while the portrait is very reddish? 20180726 10:02:20-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 10:05:22<+discordbot> Artistic choice. 20180726 10:07:44-!- Guest43156 [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180726 10:08:06-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 10:13:12< zookeeper> it's so reddish mostly because of lighting, i gather. 20180726 10:36:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 10:37:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 10:57:48<+discordbot> Could I theoretically hire a programmer to maintain a campaign? Or is that a big no-no? 20180726 10:58:04<+discordbot> (Or port and maintain.) 20180726 10:58:08<+discordbot> no 20180726 10:58:17<+discordbot> all funds should go to artists 😃 20180726 10:59:32< zookeeper> uh, sure you could. 20180726 10:59:32<+discordbot> in seriousness the principles behind the allocation of funds are a bit random 20180726 10:59:48< zookeeper> he's not talking of wesnoth inc 20180726 10:59:59<+discordbot> ooh 20180726 11:00:06<+discordbot> sorry, misread 20180726 11:00:44<+discordbot> They are not random. 20180726 11:01:10<+discordbot> well you could probably use some money, yet you get none 20180726 11:02:47<+discordbot> If every Wesnoth player donates a cent per hour of playing Wesnoth...Wesnoth, Inc would be very rich. 20180726 11:42:49<+discordbot> Mhm, does steam provde data about that to the devs? 20180726 12:13:28<+discordbot> thot 20180726 12:14:02<+discordbot> how dare u 20180726 12:14:02<+discordbot> Is my favorite of the dwarf campaigns 20180726 12:14:09<+discordbot> still how dare u 20180726 12:14:12<+discordbot> nah but yeah 20180726 12:14:19<+discordbot> thot is a good campaign 20180726 12:14:24<+discordbot> I actually enjoyed it a lot 20180726 12:21:34<+discordbot> varicks 20180726 12:25:18<+discordbot> ? 20180726 12:31:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 12:33:33<+discordbot> @Yumi 20180726 12:36:03<+discordbot> Yumi is usually not around at this time but if you have something to say it'd more efficient for you to say it instead of just tagging them. 20180726 12:36:56<+discordbot> I wanted to tag her so Yumi would be aware I wanted to tell her soemthing, but your idea is better. I guess my brain got fried or something like that. 20180726 12:38:53<+discordbot> @Yumi Maybe you want to update your UMC campaign reviews? (https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48193) One of them got ported by now and TLU has received a new mod too. ^^ 20180726 12:39:32<+discordbot> i spilled my drink onto the table; now i am drinking the vodka off the table form the shallow layer it forms on it; but each time i do, my chin also touches it and since i recently shaved it hurts like hell 20180726 12:39:53<+discordbot> That's nice, dear. 20180726 12:39:58<+discordbot> thank you dear 20180726 12:41:21< celticminstrel> ... 20180726 12:42:36<+discordbot> This is a good moment to go offline. 20180726 12:42:45<+discordbot> not at all 20180726 12:42:57<+discordbot> i see that you nothing of what the online is about' 20180726 12:43:28< celticminstrel> Yes, a good moment indeed. 20180726 12:43:38<+discordbot> amateurs 20180726 12:43:46< celticminstrel> I for one am supremely uninterested in your drunken ramblings. 20180726 12:43:54<+discordbot> yet you comment on it 20180726 12:43:54<+discordbot> lol 20180726 12:44:17< celticminstrel> SUPREMELY UNINTERESTED 20180726 12:44:34<+discordbot> yet you comment on it in capital letters 20180726 12:44:43< celticminstrel> Oh shut up 20180726 12:48:52-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180726 12:52:46<+discordbot> I remember a thread that listed abandoned UMC campaigns. Any idea how to find that thread? 20180726 12:55:48-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180726 12:56:05<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17171 ? 20180726 12:58:33< Ravana_> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48086 is newer 20180726 12:58:53< zookeeper> @blarumyrran have you considered placing a paper or tissue on the table (so that it absorbs all the vodka) and then eating it, instead? 20180726 12:59:15<+discordbot> paper is difficult to eat 20180726 12:59:22<+discordbot> yes, i considered it 20180726 13:00:17<+discordbot> after all it happens fairly often. but instead of paper it would need to be some kind of material that would collect the stuff on its surface but not absorb it 20180726 13:00:27<+discordbot> but i'm not sure such a surace exists 20180726 13:00:29< zookeeper> well, i suppose you could just suck/chew on the paper for a time? 20180726 13:00:56<+discordbot> Why don't we feed you to blarumyrran. 20180726 13:01:01<+discordbot> It seems like you two get along nicely. 20180726 13:01:16<+discordbot> @Konrad2 I'll consider it when I have time, but still have to work on my campaign and a possible NR rewrite 20180726 13:01:44<+discordbot> surface* 20180726 13:02:58<+discordbot> tbh i did not really consider just chewing on it 20180726 13:03:04< zookeeper> @shadowm it is a distinct possibility 20180726 13:03:17<+discordbot> all the same @shadowm , just curious 20180726 13:03:25<+discordbot> where is your income coming from? 20180726 13:07:22<+discordbot> i mean seriously, wesnoth is something that makes money, and you do not get any of it, i would tihnk you are on f the people who most obviously deserver some of it 20180726 13:08:32<+discordbot> Is there somewhere a (changelog) list for WML/Lua that states what is not supported anymore (from what Wesnoth series on)? Preferably with examples how the deceprated stuff was handled afterwards. 20180726 13:09:25< zookeeper> @Konrad2 these stickies between every major branch: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47614 20180726 13:09:34<+discordbot> Thanks. 20180726 13:10:10<+discordbot> Maybe I can create a big and complete list with that stuff. 20180726 13:11:42<+discordbot> Were there no syntax changes before 1.9 or were those just not documented? :/ 20180726 13:11:58< zookeeper> not documented outside the changelog, i believe 20180726 13:12:10< zookeeper> and release announcements, perhaps... somehow sometimes i dunno 20180726 13:15:33<+discordbot> Ugh. I guess I'll do some digging. 20180726 13:20:29<+discordbot> At least I could find the Syntax changes up to 1.5 20180726 13:21:38<+discordbot> if you want to know how something really works, then just try to find an example from mainline, by grep or otherwise 20180726 13:28:42<+discordbot> I'm trying to make doing so easier. Let's say I want to port an add-on from 1.0 to 1.14. I'd have to know how to change things to make them work. If I had a library with details about that, then I could save myself a lot of time, no? 20180726 13:30:59<+discordbot> Now, where to look for the changelogs. 20180726 13:31:11< Ravana_> expect it to work, and while it doesn't, fix problems that stderr shows 20180726 13:32:37< Ravana_> though when starting with 1.0 you would just need to rewrite much of it 20180726 13:32:51<+discordbot> Who or what was Lohari? 20180726 13:32:53< zookeeper> wmllint might also help, although i don't know if it's actually up-to-date WRT all/most 1.12->1.14 changes. 20180726 13:33:16< zookeeper> someone who no one has seen since ancient times 20180726 13:33:27<+discordbot> So, an artist? 20180726 13:33:51<+discordbot> At least that's what I gather from the changelog. 20180726 13:35:19<+discordbot> (Let's say 1.2, because 1.0 doesn't have an addons server.) 20180726 13:36:26< zookeeper> 1.0 add-ons are still archived somewhere though, in case someone really wants to dig up something old. 20180726 13:38:09<+discordbot> Huh, really? Wouldn't it make more sense then to put them up here? 20180726 13:38:14<+discordbot> Meh. xD 20180726 13:38:49<+discordbot> I really thought this would work. 20180726 13:46:53-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 13:48:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 13:50:22<+discordbot> Can I somewhere look up when what wesnoth version was released? 20180726 13:50:55< zookeeper> i'm sure this will give you a fairly good idea: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/ 20180726 13:53:46<+discordbot> Right. Thanks. 20180726 13:57:28<+discordbot> sometime in 2004 20180726 13:58:27<+discordbot> ..? 20180726 14:08:32<+discordbot> In case anyone has to add something to this list: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=631575#p631575 20180726 14:18:05<+discordbot> Where do I get the animated sprite of an attacking fencer? 20180726 14:19:46<+discordbot> I may be wrong, but it's somewhere in the game files in the 20180726 14:19:54<+discordbot> 'units' folder, I think 20180726 14:20:11<+discordbot> I have to stop hitting enter before I'm done with my message 20180726 14:23:02<+discordbot> Thanks. I need to use by brain more. 20180726 14:30:27<+discordbot> @shadowm Can you help me out with editing the BfW wikipedia page? I'm unsure regarding uploading new images and copyright. 20180726 14:31:42-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 14:54:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 14:54:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 14:57:25-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 15:08:12-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180726 15:17:27-!- ibispi [~quassel@46.17.149.69] has quit [Quit: ibispi] 20180726 15:20:21<+discordbot> i decree all egg laying beasts shall regenerate 20180726 15:21:17<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180726 15:21:46<+discordbot> even skeletons? 20180726 15:24:39<+discordbot> It's hilarious that 'The North Wind' has been enjoying popularity among the users for 10 years and still has only one scenario. xD 20180726 15:37:05-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 15:59:42<+discordbot> sup, is legend of wesmere an add-on? can't find it 20180726 16:00:01<+discordbot> Legend of Wesmere's a campaign. 20180726 16:00:11<+discordbot> It's installed already, it's part of the core. 20180726 16:00:34<+discordbot> oh I found it 20180726 16:01:10<+discordbot> didn't realise you gotta change the map type when creating it 20180726 16:02:52<+discordbot> thanks :-)) 20180726 16:03:21<+discordbot> np 20180726 16:17:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 16:17:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 16:34:20<+discordbot> :GWchadMEGATHINK: how does 5x4 have no way of dealing 20 damage 20180726 16:34:20<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472079228506996737/unknown.png 20180726 16:35:00<+discordbot> defender has 19 hp 20180726 16:35:10<+discordbot> ohhh 20180726 16:35:17<+discordbot> 🤔 20180726 16:35:48<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472079595189829632/unknown.png 20180726 16:36:23<+discordbot> my second suggestion would have been there might have been too many other values for the low chance of the wolf dying to show up 20180726 16:36:29<+discordbot> but it looks like there's room at the bottom 20180726 16:36:36<+discordbot> Yeah exactly 20180726 16:36:45<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180726 16:37:27<+discordbot> <$$$> high enough slow chance that it becomes essentially impossible for the enemy to miss both shots and then to hit four shots 20180726 16:37:36<+discordbot> chance of death is 1% 20180726 16:37:40<+discordbot> on the dot apparently 20180726 16:38:02<+discordbot> so pray for the 1/100 20180726 16:38:05<+discordbot> so it doesn't show 1 or less chances? 🤔 20180726 16:38:08<+discordbot> Haha 20180726 16:38:10<+discordbot> nah 20180726 16:38:11<+discordbot> it does 20180726 16:38:21<+discordbot> example: berserk 20180726 16:38:23<+discordbot> That's what I thought. 20180726 16:38:28<+discordbot> Just confused as to why it doesn't here 20180726 16:38:32<+discordbot> 🤷 20180726 16:38:36<+discordbot> guess it's a bug or something 20180726 16:38:44<+discordbot> or maybe there really isn't enough room, even though it looks like there is 20180726 16:39:09<+discordbot> or some bug made things < 1% not show 🤷 20180726 16:39:43<+discordbot> oooohhhh 20180726 16:39:46<+discordbot> orrrrrrrrrr 20180726 16:39:51<+discordbot> it counted all the other percentages first 20180726 16:39:57<+discordbot> but rounding error makes it add to 100% 20180726 16:40:05<+discordbot> so it doesn't count the last case with the lowest percentage 20180726 16:40:08<+discordbot> which is the wolfie dying 20180726 16:40:13<+discordbot> Huh 20180726 16:40:49<+discordbot> tbh when I came in I was like 'I'm not THAT bad at math, am I?!' 20180726 16:41:10<+discordbot> what I mean is 20180726 16:41:17<+discordbot> No I know what you mean 20180726 16:41:17<+discordbot> it rounds everything to .1% 20180726 16:41:22<+discordbot> but if a lot of things are rounded up 20180726 16:41:26<+discordbot> 10ths yeah 20180726 16:41:26<+discordbot> ah okay 20180726 16:41:34<+discordbot> yah could be something like that happening 20180726 16:47:57-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180726 16:48:18< zookeeper> @jyrkive ^ ? 20180726 16:48:48< zookeeper> anywya, surely the defender has drain (or something similar) for you to get results like that? 20180726 16:49:06< zookeeper> oh, net. nevermind. 20180726 16:52:45<+discordbot> net! 20180726 16:52:50<+discordbot> inter net 20180726 16:53:27< zookeeper> it is odd that it doesn't show the chance of dying there, though, even if it's a rare corner case. maybe it should always show it, and just somehow indicate that a few of the low-probability entries preceding it were not displayed. might get too complicated, of course. 20180726 16:58:04<+discordbot> Adding up all displayed percentages nets me (xD) only 94,7%. 20180726 16:58:15<+discordbot> So. Something went wrong there. 20180726 16:58:40<+discordbot> Time to calculate the changes per hand. 20180726 16:58:48<+discordbot> *chances. 20180726 17:00:50<+discordbot> Dying chance is chance that all 4 shots hit * chance that the elf won't be hit. 20180726 17:01:35<+discordbot> 0,625*0,16=0,01 20180726 17:03:19<+discordbot> So, while it does make sense, that the death chance isn't shown, there are still more than 5% unaccounted for. ._. 20180726 17:03:49-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 17:06:34-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 20180726 17:10:16-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 17:12:18<+discordbot> 5 would be rounded down to 2 for slow, right? 20180726 17:15:09<+discordbot> To 3. 20180726 17:15:28<+discordbot> Rounded will be. @Konrad2 20180726 17:16:54-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180726 17:19:13-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180726 17:20:22<+discordbot> Ty. 20180726 17:25:52<+discordbot> So...while I didn't actually finished calculating at all, I did notice that there are some 0.05% getting cut off. And I do think, that they'd account for the missing stuff, together with some 0.01%. 20180726 17:26:31-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 17:27:28<+discordbot> And it does not round up at 5. I think it might just be cutting off everything after the first number after the dot. 20180726 17:28:36<+discordbot> I do mean 0,01% btw. Which, if you cut it off, is 0,0%. 20180726 17:29:00<+discordbot> Why does Wesnoth cut it off there? 🤔 20180726 17:33:28<+discordbot> Maybe wesnoth cannot show more than 10 results or it's rounded. But probably both. 20180726 17:34:01<+discordbot> So it's rounded and wesnoth cannot show more than 10 results. 20180726 17:35:33< zookeeper> or just something to do with the monte carlo calculations. 20180726 17:35:43<+discordbot> Well at 1,12 there was place for only 10 results. 20180726 17:37:13<+discordbot> At least it looks like it becouse i know i can stretch. 20180726 17:43:11<+discordbot> What are Monte Carlo calculations anyway? 20180726 17:44:01-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 17:44:49<+discordbot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method 20180726 17:45:30<+discordbot> tl;dr: simulate the combat a bunch of times, and count the proportion of combats that kill 20180726 17:46:01-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180726 17:47:42<+discordbot> I like to imagine it like that, it is taking random space in square and checking if something is in it. 20180726 17:49:22<+discordbot> That's also a good analogy for it 20180726 18:09:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:09:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 18:09:57<+discordbot> Zzzz 20180726 18:14:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 18:15:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 18:17:25-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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20180726 20:25:55<+discordbot> Me there. 20180726 20:26:14<+discordbot> you wanted to play a match? 20180726 20:26:37<+discordbot> right now is a good time 20180726 20:26:49<+discordbot> i'm a bit drunk but good to go 20180726 20:28:39<+discordbot> Im on server 20180726 20:28:43<+discordbot> kk 20180726 20:29:31<+discordbot> Haha best games when ur drunk 20180726 20:34:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 20:34:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 20:40:24<+discordbot> doubt 20180726 20:40:35<+discordbot> unbeliever 20180726 20:40:56<+discordbot> oh dear 20180726 20:40:58<+discordbot> I saw 'drunk' and immediately started thinking of drunk Konrad. 20180726 20:41:03<+discordbot> i think i need sleep 20180726 20:57:43<+discordbot> VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 20180726 20:57:49<+discordbot> Yup 20180726 20:58:29<+discordbot> But i hate dwarf and that map and this side of that map xD Srsly tho. 20180726 20:59:28<+discordbot> Can i have some revenge? 20180726 20:59:34<+discordbot> kk 20180726 21:04:41<+discordbot> Let me join too. 20180726 21:04:58<+discordbot> right now you can only join as observer 20180726 21:05:11<+discordbot> of the great battle of the great heroes of our time 20180726 21:05:33<+discordbot> Oh, okay, I guess you are watching them? 20180726 21:07:47-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180726 21:09:53-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:39a0:1364:25e1:8da4] has left #wesnoth [] 20180726 21:14:18<+discordbot> Curse you 1/6! 20180726 21:14:57<+discordbot> VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 20180726 21:15:12<+discordbot> There were enough dmg to kill you 2 times xD 20180726 21:15:27<+discordbot> 4 times gryph + rogue xD 20180726 21:15:36<+discordbot> but luck favors me, she is my lady 20180726 21:15:57<+discordbot> correction: 20180726 21:16:02<+discordbot> you did not ever touch me with a rogue 20180726 21:16:13<+discordbot> Let's say you hit as much as was likely. 20180726 21:16:17<+discordbot> but toch u with gryphs 5 times 20180726 21:16:25<+discordbot> still 2x your hp 20180726 21:16:35<+discordbot> 60% defence 20180726 21:16:39<+discordbot> expected 20180726 21:16:47<+discordbot> 2 times the dmg to kill * 40% = 80% of his life 20180726 21:16:56<+discordbot> so you should be at like 10% hp not 90% XD 20180726 21:17:17<+discordbot> Yeah, but the point is that it wasn't likely to work. 20180726 21:17:40<+discordbot> i certainly did not expect it, even after seeing your choice of leader 20180726 21:17:45<+discordbot> Oh it was there were ladder player who was playing like that all the time 20180726 21:17:59<+discordbot> but yeah that did not mean better than 50% odds of winning by itself 20180726 21:17:59<+discordbot> r.i.p 20180726 21:18:14<+discordbot> But i wanted to try anyway xD 20180726 21:18:34<+discordbot> yes, it is better to try fun things 20180726 21:18:37<+discordbot> than to die boring 20180726 21:18:48<+discordbot> What now? 20180726 21:19:03<+discordbot> now we grow old 20180726 21:19:05<+discordbot> IDK 5 times berserk? xD 20180726 21:19:06<+discordbot> and reminiscene 20180726 21:21:42<+discordbot> And one ghyps is like 24 dmg you had 43 hp so i had like 2,5 your hp in dmg xD 2,5*0,4 = 1 xD 20180726 21:22:34<+discordbot> Play. 20180726 21:22:54<+discordbot> i'm a bit too drunk to play more today 20180726 21:23:14<+discordbot> Too big map 20180726 21:23:17<+discordbot> too late 20180726 21:23:51<+discordbot> 'too big' 20180726 21:23:53<+discordbot> What? 20180726 21:23:53<+discordbot> xD 20180726 21:24:06<+discordbot> I remember this map big srsy 20180726 21:24:32<+discordbot> Host a small 5p ffa map? 20180726 21:24:43<+discordbot> That's 2p. 😄 20180726 21:28:34<+discordbot> @shadowm Is it a know bug, that the language of scenario objectives in MP scenarios depends on the host, instead of the player? 20180726 21:30:53<+discordbot> (I'm playing 'Caves of Basilisk' vs Hejnewar and my scenario objectives are in his language, not in english.) 20180726 21:32:28<+discordbot> hmm. what could your objectives be? 20180726 21:32:34<+discordbot> some sneaky polish objectives, i bet 20180726 21:32:52<+discordbot> Pokonaj something. 20180726 21:32:57<+discordbot> you think you are playing wesnoth, but it's actually "sabotage this russian power plant" 20180726 21:34:21<+discordbot> @blarumyrran Of course it is. 20180726 21:44:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 21:44:20-!- janebot [~Gambot@206.189.184.60] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 21:44:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@206.189.184.60] has quit [Changing host] 20180726 21:44:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 21:56:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 21:56:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 22:01:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 22:01:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 22:06:37-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180726 22:06:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 22:07:36<+discordbot> life wins and death loses. 20180726 22:07:49<+discordbot> @Konrad2 No idea. 20180726 22:08:14<+discordbot> I'm the DEATH 20180726 22:08:21<+discordbot> Also about Wikipedia I have no idea how that stuff works either. I was going to look into updating the logo some time ago and never figured out how. 20180726 22:08:23<+discordbot> This time. 20180726 22:09:18<+discordbot> wikipedia has a channel on freenode 20180726 22:09:30<+discordbot> i have got useful advice from there before 20180726 22:10:12<+discordbot> @shadowm From what I know you can post whatever you what but it need to be accepted by wiki mods (they first check it) at least on popular pages. If it isnt about that i cannot help. 20180726 22:11:39<+discordbot> I couldn't figure out how to update an existing image. 20180726 22:13:47<+discordbot> Hmm, usualy its preety easy. https://wiki.wesnoth.org/CommandMode is this this wiki? 20180726 22:14:35<+discordbot> I said Wikipedia. 20180726 22:14:42<+discordbot> That's not Wikipedia. 20180726 22:15:11<+discordbot> (Plus I am actually in charge of running our own wiki. :p ) 20180726 22:15:50<+discordbot> @shadowm Then you can maybe help with the discussion regarding the 'Races' section. xD 20180726 22:16:09<+discordbot> i think the Races section is nice 20180726 22:16:18<+discordbot> What about it? 20180726 22:16:47<+discordbot> it has some odd concept of "main races" 20180726 22:17:00<+discordbot> in the header, it seems to be defined by importance to wesnoth history 20180726 22:17:06<+discordbot> There's mainline and there's non-mainline. 20180726 22:17:06<+discordbot> For one, it's not complete (Bats, Dunefolk, Wolves, Gryphons are missing). 20180726 22:17:09<+discordbot> That should be it. 20180726 22:17:27<+discordbot> while actually, it makes more sense to define them wrt forming the cores of the 6/7 factions in mainline eras 20180726 22:17:27<+discordbot> And non-mainline really needn't be listed on a page that presumably only deals with mainline. 20180726 22:17:44<+discordbot> And the question was, wheter Dunefolk is a main race or not. 20180726 22:17:49<+discordbot> The mainline eras cover all races. 20180726 22:17:55<+discordbot> I mean mainline factions. They cover all races. 20180726 22:18:03<+discordbot> Except for monsters, I guess. 20180726 22:18:10<+discordbot> Some people advocated for deleting the page, because it's not gameplay relevant. 20180726 22:18:24<+discordbot> Dunefolk is one of the races covered by the mainline factions. 20180726 22:18:26<+discordbot> @shadowm you do not understand - there are only 6 or 7 "main races" 20180726 22:18:39<+discordbot> so the argument is just over that term 20180726 22:18:58<+discordbot> That were 'instrumental in the history of wesnoth'. 20180726 22:19:02<+discordbot> I understood that so I'm quite obviously suggesting to get rid of that categorization and use what I'm saying instead. 20180726 22:19:24<+discordbot> i agree 20180726 22:19:43<+discordbot> I.e. either no categorization at all, or use a gameplay-based categorization (in which case the only excluded race would be monsters). 20180726 22:19:57<+discordbot> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Races 20180726 22:20:19<+discordbot> Take a look, so we can minimize the misunderstandings. 20180726 22:20:31<+discordbot> Oh I forgot Ogres existed. 20180726 22:21:10<+discordbot> if there's one place in the wiki that could use a good look, i think it's the wml tutorial? half of it is apparently imcomplete 20180726 22:21:48<+discordbot> Okay, that wasns't a full list that I mentioned above. 20180726 22:22:09<+discordbot> Oh i get it, I need to fisrt upload picture to wikipedia and then just choose. I will try this and see how it goes. 20180726 22:22:14<+discordbot> So here are all the mainline races: bats, drakes, dwarves, elves, falcons, goblins, gryphons, humans, dunefolk, khalifate (technical transitional race), saurians, mechanical, merfolk, monsters, nagas, ogres, orcs, trolls, undead, wolves, woses. 20180726 22:22:38<+discordbot> 'Races' needs a rework. That's for sure. Too much is missing. 20180726 22:23:05<+discordbot> So does the 'Race box'. 20180726 22:23:13<+discordbot> Of those, to my knowledge, only monsters, mechanical, and ogres are not included in a mainline faction. 20180726 22:24:38<+discordbot> And all the Race trees in the 'Race' category are 1.12. (the images are mostly older). 20180726 22:26:10<+discordbot> And I will absolutly update the dwarves image, once I get around to playing THoT. Maybe I'll just replace it with a SoF image. 20180726 22:26:39<+discordbot> It works. I acctualy updated 1.10 to 1.12 tittle screen .:3 20180726 22:26:57<+discordbot> But we are on 1.14 already.. :/ 20180726 22:28:27<+discordbot> They rejected it anyway 😦 20180726 22:28:39<+discordbot> :C 20180726 22:28:52<+discordbot> But at least i know how to do it. 20180726 22:30:06<+discordbot> @shadowm What does running our wiki entail= 20180726 22:30:08<+discordbot> *? 20180726 22:33:46<+discordbot> Knowing how to use general Unix (in particular Linux) command-line tools to work with a remote system, having basic knowledge of SQL, intermediate-to-advanced knowledge of operating MariaDB and Apache servers, and basic-to-intermediate knowledge of PHP. 20180726 22:34:37<+discordbot> Wow. Nice. 20180726 22:34:38<+discordbot> And also being able to control your temper in the face of an incompetent upstream (MediaWiki). 20180726 22:35:24<+discordbot> Uh. I don't understand what this has to do with running the wiki. :c 20180726 22:35:39<+discordbot> This is all that's required to run our wiki. 20180726 22:35:44<+discordbot> Skill-wise. 20180726 22:36:07<+discordbot> (I didn't include the skills involved in developing themes for it, which is what I did last year.) 20180726 22:37:53<+discordbot> Oh. I thought I was asking what you do, when you are 'running the wiki'. My bad. Any idea how to formulate my intended question instead? 20180726 22:40:29<+discordbot> I just take care of upgrading the wiki platform and fixing stuff on the rare occasion that it breaks. 20180726 22:40:53<+discordbot> Or changing configuration parameters, installing/removing extensions as required by the people who actually use it. 20180726 22:41:22<+discordbot> The same goes for most of the rest of wesnoth.org's services. 20180726 22:47:13<+discordbot> Oh...so, does even anyone take care of the content of the wiki? Or is it just there and ages? (It's not aging well.) 20180726 22:47:41-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180726 22:49:50<+discordbot> certainly noone has taken the care to finish the wml tutorial :> 20180726 23:00:02<+discordbot> The community takes care of the wiki's contents. 20180726 23:00:13<+discordbot> The developers update the API reference pages but that's about it. 20180726 23:14:10<+discordbot> Gah. :C So I'll have to deal with the races page myself. Meh. 20180726 23:17:09<+discordbot> all the races of wesnoth come to your help 20180726 23:17:20<+discordbot> you just have to imagine them well enough! 20180726 23:19:07-!- iwaim [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180726 23:19:44-!- iwaim [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has joined #wesnoth 20180726 23:46:33-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Jul 27 00:00:24 2018