--- Log opened Sat Jul 28 00:00:25 2018 20180728 00:00:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 00:00:51-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 00:06:41<+discordbot> @sevu In this case I'm very far in the north, no elves around or even knowing that I'm there. I'm in the wilderness. 20180728 00:07:45<+discordbot> There are only some monsters (and apparently some woses living there) and while it is sensible that the Wolves and some solitary Trolls and Ogres might attack, I don't see any reason for Woses to attack together with them. 20180728 00:09:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 00:10:40<+discordbot> Oh, it was that scenario... Just a random monster 20180728 00:11:22<+discordbot> I think it's fine that some random tree starts beating some random preople in some random forest 20180728 00:11:36<+discordbot> Woses don't work like that! XD 20180728 00:12:40<+discordbot> They don't? Duhโ€ฆ Do we need Giant Spiders climbing down from the trees now? 20180728 00:13:31<+discordbot> Let's just add a line where the dwarves took to much wood to keep themselves warm? 20180728 00:13:57<+discordbot> And thanks for all those shiny labels on my issues. xD 20180728 00:14:38<+discordbot> Or let them act surprised about the woses at least. >.< 20180728 00:14:38<+discordbot> Not sure if dwarves work like thatโ€ฆ it were the orcs who do that. 20180728 00:14:55<+discordbot> And shiny issues need shiny labels (or shiny fixes) 20180728 00:18:31<+discordbot> @Kiiviing_Zindaal Sorry if I'm too late, but you can't save Torlic after he runs off. 20180728 00:21:57<+discordbot> @Not Hamel I meant more is there anyway to keep him from running in the first place? Besides just not crossing the bridge with him. 20180728 00:22:36<+discordbot> There isn't a way, because an upcoming part needs him to be gone. 20180728 00:32:33-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180728 00:38:47<+discordbot> alright. 20180728 00:38:50<+discordbot> all I'm saying is 20180728 00:38:56<+discordbot> I've never seen a female Dwarf or Orc 20180728 00:49:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 00:49:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 00:54:00<+discordbot> Oh, youโ€™ve seen female dwarves 20180728 00:54:30<+discordbot> They just happen to just be even Griffey and hairy then the men 20180728 01:37:19<+discordbot> in tolkien stuff, female dwarves are outwardly indistinguishable from male dwarves 20180728 01:37:22<+discordbot> still got big beards 20180728 01:42:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 01:42:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 02:13:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 02:13:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 02:25:24<+discordbot> You know what would be really mean? Having several shadows in a cave 20180728 02:29:45<+discordbot> i remember there was one addon campaign (fate of a princess maybe?) that involved a nightgaunt ambush at the end of a large cave ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 20180728 02:33:17<+discordbot> #RemoveNightstalkFromWesnoth2019 20180728 02:35:01<+discordbot> don't try to act innocent shadowm, i remember to backstabbing nightstalking pests in that cave in IftU 20180728 02:35:15<+discordbot> I hate them too though. 20180728 02:36:08<+discordbot> It's one of those things I just have to have in the campaign so people can't accuse me of making it only for myself. 20180728 02:36:13<+discordbot> Like surface scenarios, yuck. 20180728 02:36:31<+discordbot> As well as the massive battle scenarios. 20180728 02:41:48<+discordbot> I like shadows. How else would I cheese village grab in caves? 20180728 03:37:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 03:38:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 03:38:34<+discordbot> Like 20180728 03:38:43<+discordbot> I prefer overground 20180728 03:38:48<+discordbot> Small fighting scenarios 20180728 03:38:56<+discordbot> Like small groups of units and not much gold 20180728 03:39:00<+discordbot> Over big battles 20180728 03:39:15<+discordbot> Cause turns go faster and it feels more fun to myself personally 20180728 03:43:10<+discordbot> Interesting 20180728 03:43:20<+discordbot> So, like AOI? 20180728 04:09:00<+discordbot> I mean 20180728 04:09:07<+discordbot> South Guard was pretty good, my dude 20180728 04:09:44<+discordbot> Oh yeah, that too 20180728 04:12:42<+discordbot> I gotta sleep, man 20180728 04:12:44<+discordbot> Gm 20180728 04:12:47<+discordbot> It's 7 am 20180728 04:13:11<+discordbot> Ah, 10pm for me, I have to sleep as well. 20180728 04:13:18<+discordbot> I just woke up and I'm in the same timezone. 20180728 04:13:23<+discordbot> Good, uh, night. 20180728 04:21:08<+discordbot> Shhh 20180728 04:21:14<+discordbot> I don't sleep very well 20180728 04:21:28<+discordbot> I don't either. 20180728 04:21:38<+discordbot> I fall asleep at 7 am. Wake up at 10. Repeat 20180728 04:21:50<+discordbot> Every other day I go running so I take a two hour nap those days somewhere in between 20180728 04:21:59<+discordbot> If I could live a normal life without the need of sleep, I would be up for that [I just don't like sleeping] 20180728 04:22:07<+discordbot> And some days I'll catch up on sleep and sleep like 18 hours lmao 20180728 04:22:14<+discordbot> I love sleeping bro 20180728 04:22:20<+discordbot> I just don't get that tired 20180728 04:22:33<+discordbot> I'd always go to school on 2-3 hours of sleep max and I'd be ok all day 20180728 04:22:57<+discordbot> I just rather would be doing other things than sleep 20180728 04:23:27<+discordbot> Can't relate 20180728 04:23:30<+discordbot> Like how I stay up the entirety of some nights working on the books-in progress of mine. 20180728 04:23:54<+discordbot> Spent one entire night writing up the entire timeline and adding comments. 20180728 04:24:05<+discordbot> Spend others just writing chapters or planning 20180728 04:24:55<+discordbot> I love foooood tho 20180728 04:25:08<+discordbot> The only reason I sleep rn is cause 20180728 04:25:12<+discordbot> Once I wake up I can eat 20180728 04:25:17<+discordbot> I just don't like the feeling of lying in a subconscious state for hours on end, vulnerable to attack and unaware of surroundings. 20180728 04:25:32<+discordbot> You aren't actively seeing when you sleep 20180728 04:25:32<+discordbot> Who's gonna attack you in your sleep 20180728 04:25:35<+discordbot> Do you live in a cave 20180728 04:25:47<+discordbot> I live in a house. 20180728 04:25:57<+discordbot> The doors to my house are all unlocked whilst I sleep 20180728 04:26:04<+discordbot> Some windows downstairs aswell 20180728 04:26:21<+discordbot> But it may be cause I live in Estonia and in the South 20180728 04:26:25<+discordbot> Not everyone lives in place where that's an affordable risk. 20180728 04:26:28<+discordbot> In a cozy little village 20180728 04:26:51<+discordbot> Most of the people in my area are nice, but there is some gang activity, so I gotta be careful. 20180728 04:26:54<+discordbot> People have actually tried to break into our house before. 20180728 04:26:54<+discordbot> I've not been attacked. I'd doubt anyone would attack you in a locked house. 20180728 04:27:22<+discordbot> I mean it's of course a possibility 20180728 04:27:34<+discordbot> But so is me dieing from a brain hemmorage at any second 20180728 04:27:40<+discordbot> Hemmorage? 20180728 04:27:49<+discordbot> And there's nothing I can do against that 20180728 04:27:56<+discordbot> Okay, I'll clarify. 20180728 04:28:18<+discordbot> People have broken into houses and stolen objects or harmed people or animals around this neighbourhood before. 20180728 04:28:34<+discordbot> So it's not exactly a remote possibility for me. 20180728 04:28:57<+discordbot> It happens every few weeks in fact. 20180728 04:29:06<+discordbot> Yeah. For you might not be. I was talking to Hamel more. 20180728 04:29:15<+discordbot> Hemmorhage*(?) 20180728 04:29:32<+discordbot> A blood vessel in your brain pops and you're dead. 20180728 04:29:42<+discordbot> I'd clarify about my area, but I have 1 min till wifi times out. 20180728 04:29:50<+discordbot> 7.5 hours till it comes back. 20180728 04:30:02<+discordbot> Gn. 20180728 04:30:07<+discordbot> Gn 20180728 04:30:13<+discordbot> Just sleeping is great thoufh 20180728 04:30:29<+discordbot> When you sleep there are no sad times 20180728 04:30:40<+discordbot> Just dreams 20180728 04:31:18<+discordbot> For me sleep is a prolonged period of mental inactivity that also happens to be physical torture so yeah. 20180728 04:31:34<+discordbot> Back when I was in a worse place with myself I'd sleep to not have to think about things I couldn't change. 20180728 04:32:25<+discordbot> But then I changed the way I thought about things and now I sleep cause I enjoy sleep. But it's hard to GET TO sleep. 20180728 04:32:37<+discordbot> That sucks Shadow 20180728 04:32:49<+discordbot> At least you can kind of choose when you sleep right 20180728 04:33:05<+discordbot> I had a narcoleptic friend who would fall asleep whilst outside running 20180728 04:33:23<+discordbot> I feel for you though 20180728 04:33:44<+discordbot> I don't know why it might be torture for you. I don't know your life, but buddy 20180728 04:33:48<+discordbot> I support you 20180728 05:07:52-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180728 05:08:16<+discordbot> You know what I support 20180728 05:08:28<+discordbot> Apples 20180728 05:09:27<+discordbot> Theyโ€™re delicious and should be featured in more games 20180728 05:17:00<+discordbot> Apples are great 20180728 05:17:04<+discordbot> Eggs aswell 20180728 05:17:06<+discordbot> Love eggs 20180728 05:19:56<+discordbot> I'm not a fan of the texture of apples (and their skin is death for my gums) but I can enjoy a glass of apple juice on occasion. 20180728 05:22:00<+discordbot> ๐ŸŽ 20180728 05:22:09<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ 20180728 05:26:47<+discordbot> it's so hot 20180728 05:27:11<+discordbot> hard to sleep in this heat 20180728 05:27:44<+discordbot> so jelly of all you people with your nice ac's 20180728 05:28:31<+discordbot> Same here. I only fell asleep at around 2:30. ๐Ÿ˜‘ 20180728 05:29:35<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜ฑ 20180728 05:32:35-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 05:56:51<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ‘Œ 20180728 06:22:28<+discordbot> I had no A/C in my dorm the first three years of college. Then senior year they tore down that dorm and I moved to a more expensive one that did have A/C, and it was amazing. 20180728 07:35:36-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 07:40:50-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 07:46:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 07:46:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 08:16:14-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 08:25:10<+discordbot> celmin: Sigurd ask because our opinion is valuable of course! xD 20180728 08:25:23<+discordbot> And we're back online .my brother came into my room and started yelling at me to get up lmao 20180728 08:26:42<+discordbot> You have to admit, it worked. 20180728 08:28:38<+discordbot> you're brothers? 20180728 08:30:01<+discordbot> Hmm, I was about to post my issue on github but i will do it later after checking some more things and if it is possible at all to avoid this easly in some way. Becouse at this point I feel like i will provide too generous overview of this bug, and in fact it might be very uncomon bug. 20180728 08:30:54<+discordbot> Nah. I'm not brother's with Konrad haha 20180728 08:31:46<+discordbot> At least not blood related. Hopefully 20180728 08:32:00<+discordbot> @Hejnewar I don't see the point you make for not reporting it. 20180728 08:36:16<+discordbot> Well i feel like i didnt check it well enough. I think i've got this after reporting bugs in EEaW and EoMa where I was often asked about more and more detalis, and so I want to report it once and well. 20180728 08:41:23<+discordbot> Right, it's best if you can figure out how to reproduce the bug. ^^ That would make it way easier to fix it. 20180728 08:42:03-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 08:48:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 08:49:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 08:50:43<+discordbot> Exacly. I will try to do this today. 20180728 09:27:38< zookeeper> @Hejnwwar what bug? the tallin-replaced-by-krash-in-eastern-flank one? 20180728 09:29:02< zookeeper> looking at the code, that seems like exactly what the code is (unintentionally) written to do 20180728 09:29:40< zookeeper> that is, sigurd forgot find_vacant=yes in 673e33bb20a7 20180728 09:32:08<+discordbot> @zookeeper Yeah it is exacly that. 20180728 09:35:36<+discordbot> @sigurdfd ^ 20180728 09:37:10< zookeeper> so, yeah, no need for an issue unless one wants it for the record or something, it should be a trivial one-line fix. 20180728 09:43:07<+discordbot> Well, great to hear that. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180728 10:05:48< hk238> any suggestions what an 'afterlife' like map could have as a feature? I'm out of ideas :d 20180728 10:11:29<+discordbot> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net Is this still a thing? 20180728 10:22:26<+discordbot> sleep is painful? do you have sleep paralysis or something? 20180728 10:26:33<+discordbot> Depends how you look at it. 20180728 10:32:39<+discordbot> people use git(hub) instead th the umc-dev server nowadays (which used subversion instead of git) 20180728 10:36:04<+discordbot> Then someone could consider updating that page. :D 20180728 10:37:10<+discordbot> The "umc-dev" server is not a thing. 20180728 10:37:34<+discordbot> But the wesnoth-umc-dev project is still a thing, technically, even if it's obsolete and almost abandoned. 20180728 10:37:42<+discordbot> I sitll keep AtS and IftU music on subversion. 20180728 10:40:01-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 10:40:41-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180728 10:41:58-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 10:45:56<+discordbot> Could we make https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48086 a sticky thread and maybe ask UMC creators to enter the info for their add-on, when they upload it for the first time? While for now it's a project to port things up to 1.14, there will be probably be add-ons created in 1.14 that will be be abandoned too. 20180728 11:10:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 11:10:43-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 11:14:53<+discordbot> How important / usefull is it to have Drakes or Elfes over the Lich brothers in the last NR scenario? 20180728 11:15:10<+discordbot> *elves 20180728 11:22:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 11:22:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 11:24:27<+discordbot> I guess a little bit? 20180728 11:24:47<+discordbot> First: Elves/Drakes have recalls. 20180728 11:25:36<+discordbot> While the Lich brothers don't have that, as it is set up right now. (See my github issue regarding Sc11.) 20180728 11:26:18<+discordbot> Then, the Lich instead of the elves will have quite some mobility problems, stuck in a forest as he is. 20180728 11:26:54<+discordbot> Or rather he is on an even footing with the orcs in regard to this. While the elves would have had a nice advantage. 20180728 11:28:03<+discordbot> In Nightmare your ally is very very unlikely to survive by himself. So you have to rush over to him, which might not quite be as feasible with the Lichs. 20180728 11:28:35<+discordbot> Also, if you have Lichs instead of Elves, then you did not get the gold. Another step up in the difficulty. 20180728 11:28:51<+discordbot> Again, see my issue regarding Sc11. xD 20180728 11:28:54<+discordbot> I will tell you when i get there. But at this point i like Ro brothers. If i had to choose i think i would choose Elves over Drakes i think. 20180728 11:32:43<+discordbot> Is there some accessible statistic for the traffic on the add-on server and the Wesnoth forums? 20180728 11:34:38<+discordbot> I was searching for that but i didnt find it. 20180728 11:47:13-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180728 11:51:01<+discordbot> Elfes / Drakes have start with more than 100 gold? 20180728 11:53:28<+discordbot> Carry over gold? 20180728 11:56:12<+discordbot> how much is that usually? 20180728 11:56:24<+discordbot> or, how much is it at least? 20180728 11:56:54<+discordbot> guess the Liches could get more starting gold then 20180728 12:00:42<+discordbot> It's at least 0 gold. ._. 20180728 12:01:02<+discordbot> Though that would be very rare. 20180728 12:01:44<+discordbot> What I do mean is: no elves = no recovered gold (that treasure from malifor) = less gold in the last scenario. 20180728 12:02:05<+discordbot> Carryover gold is neglible compared to that. 20180728 12:02:51<+discordbot> But the Lichs do need more gold (at least the drake lich), because they can't recall highlvl units for 20 gold. 20180728 12:03:44-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180728 12:10:55<+discordbot> Sounds 200 resonable, for both the liches and the elfes/drakes? 20180728 12:13:07<+discordbot> oh, wait, one of the Liches starts already with 300 gold, the other with 100 20180728 12:27:35<+discordbot> Am confused. 20180728 12:28:31<+discordbot> I never had the situation where either Drakes or Elves were dead at that point, because I fail to beat the preceding scenarios without them. 20180728 12:30:41<+discordbot> Which is why I'd just prefer it if the drakes and elves would be mandatory or the Lichs would replace them once they die, from scenario 10 onwards. 20180728 12:32:55<+discordbot> Would it be fine to assume that any UMC that wasn't ported from 1.10 yet is abandoned? 20180728 12:46:31<+discordbot> Too much issues with NR โ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜จ 20180728 12:58:34<+discordbot> Are they listed anywhere? 20180728 13:04:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 13:11:27-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-156-26.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 13:36:19<+discordbot> Github. 20180728 13:40:25<+discordbot> Oh, yea, mostly posted by you i think. ๐Ÿ˜‰ 20180728 13:48:24<+discordbot> That just means that most players don't use github. :( 20180728 13:48:48<+discordbot> That's just my way to contribute. 20180728 13:49:30<+discordbot> @Ravana Could we make https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48086 a sticky thread and maybe ask UMC creators to enter the info for their add-on, when they upload it for the first time? While for now it's a project to port things up to 1.14, there will be probably be add-ons created in 1.14 that will be be abandoned too. 20180728 13:55:53<+discordbot> That's true. 20180728 14:03:12-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 14:09:34-!- Soo_Slow [~devnu11@ppp91-122-156-26.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Soo_Slow] 20180728 14:22:35<+discordbot> @Hejnewar I still don't get how you managed to end 'Stolen Gold' with 2150 gold. 20180728 14:22:52-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 14:24:21<+discordbot> Even if you finished that scenario on turn 1, you'd need 1000 initial gold. 20180728 14:28:37<+discordbot> 2000 initial gold for introductions. 20180728 14:29:09<+discordbot> *finishing gold 20180728 14:29:45<+discordbot> (It's the same in this case, because you can't really earn gold in that scenario.) 20180728 14:31:57<+discordbot> 4750 finishing gold in Elvish Princess. 20180728 14:34:08<+discordbot> And that's just not possible. 20180728 14:34:50<+discordbot> You did start 'Settling Disputes' with 80 gold, right? (If not, then you discovered a bug.) 20180728 14:35:08<+discordbot> Im preety sure i had more than 80 g 20180728 14:35:20<+discordbot> But i will need to check it. 20180728 14:36:43-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 14:39:49<+discordbot> Would you mind giving me your replays to satisfy my curiosity? 20180728 14:43:39<+discordbot> Right now im at work, soo... It might be difficult. 20180728 14:48:55<+discordbot> @sevu More NR issues, just for you! xD 20180728 14:56:14-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180728 14:57:58<+discordbot> Speaking of replays in 1.14 OOS is still present in some replays? Yesterday i tried to watch replay from my buddy but i got oos. It's kinda not funny. :S 20180728 15:05:17-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 15:15:07-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180728 15:19:25<+discordbot> And i was watching my own replay and got oos too. What shouldn't ever happen. 20180728 15:20:24-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 15:52:31<+discordbot> is the Northern Alliance established in Northern Rebirth? 20180728 15:52:55<+discordbot> Yeah 20180728 15:53:12<+discordbot> They form it 20180728 15:54:48<+discordbot> Yes, and only three campaigns [correct me if I am wrong] are chronologically after it: THoT, SotBE, and UtBS. 20180728 15:55:48<+discordbot> Hehhee 20180728 15:55:49<+discordbot> Thot 20180728 15:57:24<+discordbot> well, UtBS is wayyyy after it 20180728 15:57:58<+discordbot> Yeah. 20180728 15:57:59<+discordbot> UtBS is almost poss apo. 20180728 15:58:08<+discordbot> poss apo? 20180728 15:58:21<+discordbot> What's 'apo'? 20180728 15:58:42<+discordbot> post apocalyptic 20180728 15:58:59<+discordbot> Alright 20180728 16:00:41<+discordbot> I forgot that EI, TSG, and DW are after it as well. 20180728 16:00:42<+discordbot> My bad. 20180728 16:00:55<+discordbot> If I remember right the full chronological order is: TRoW, AOI, LoW, SoF, SotA, AtotB, DiD, DM, L, HttT, NR, TSG, EI, DW, THoT, SotBE, UtBS. 20180728 16:01:52<+discordbot> you can sort the campaigns chronologically in the campaign selection menu as well 20180728 16:02:08<+discordbot> wait, you can? 20180728 16:02:17<+discordbot> WoW 20180728 16:02:18<+discordbot> yeah 20180728 16:02:34<+discordbot> right under Play a Campaign 20180728 16:02:40<+discordbot> okay 20180728 16:02:49<+discordbot> I'm a dork for not noticing that then 20180728 16:02:50<+discordbot> says "Sort by: Name Dates" 20180728 16:03:10<+discordbot> Okay 20180728 16:03:58<+discordbot> I feel like if I could live in Wesnoth, I would live somewhere between THoT and SotBE because that seems the most safe to me. 20180728 16:06:10<+discordbot> I could live anywhere, where i could utilize my skills. 20180728 16:06:40<+discordbot> I feel like I'd either pick Weldyn, Elensefar, or DD to live in 20180728 16:07:02<+discordbot> Far North sounds fun. 20180728 16:07:41<+discordbot> sounds cold 20180728 16:08:40<+discordbot> I liek cold. 20180728 16:08:51<+discordbot> It'd be nice to live in till you get attacked by drakes/undead/orcs/outlaws/hostile elves/hostile dwarves/trolls/wild animals/saurians/nagas. 20180728 16:09:10<+discordbot> I just wait for that. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 16:11:07<+discordbot> NR has this mage, Camerin, who lives there. And indeed, he enjoys to be attacked by all kind of things 20180728 16:11:40<+discordbot> [but the backstory is that someone attacked him and burned his studies] 20180728 16:11:51<+discordbot> I guess, but not all of us are fire mages. 20180728 16:12:59<+discordbot> I feel like I'd just be too lazy to fight unless I had to 20180728 16:13:07<+discordbot> I dont need to be a fire mage to do stuff like that. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 16:13:16<+discordbot> hey 20180728 16:13:25<+discordbot> knowledgeable moderator in all your wisdom 20180728 16:13:29<+discordbot> tell me what this does 20180728 16:13:30<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472798761777627157/unknown.png 20180728 16:14:05<+discordbot> You can choose with what mod you want to play. 20180728 16:16:49<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472799600202481664/unknown.png 20180728 16:16:53<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472799619601137684/dragonstick-miss.ogg 20180728 16:17:12<+discordbot> This file seems unfamiliar 20180728 16:17:17<+discordbot> I need to wesnoth more 20180728 16:17:43<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472799826002837525/dwarf-laugh.wav 20180728 16:17:48<+discordbot> o.o 20180728 16:18:25<+discordbot> Oh yeah, I've heard that 20180728 16:18:39<+discordbot> That's played when you attack a dark adept with an ulfserker 20180728 16:18:41<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472800069192515594/ink.ogg 20180728 16:18:43<+discordbot> LOL 20180728 16:19:24<+discordbot> that sound 20180728 16:19:26<+discordbot> oh my 20180728 16:20:47<+discordbot> I heard that dwarf laugh for the first time when I played IftU- The Heart. I attacked a Guard Tower with a Berserker. 20180728 16:20:59<+discordbot> It was dark and 2 am. ._. 20180728 16:21:04<+discordbot> Scary. 20180728 16:21:20<+discordbot> so its played when a berserker attacks a unit with a melee attack? 20180728 16:22:37<+discordbot> listen to ink.ogg a few times 20180728 16:22:43<+discordbot> It's played when a berserker/ulfserker attacks a unit without a melee attack, so he just tears them down. 20180728 16:42:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 16:42:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 17:01:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 17:01:09-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 17:07:45<+discordbot> @V aricks Do you mean "what is a modification?", or "what does this dropdown for modifications do?"? 20180728 17:08:00<+discordbot> both 20180728 17:11:10<+discordbot> Modifications are essentially a bunch of events that get added to a scenario when enabled - for example, adding a right click menu. They are somewhat more limited than eras, however you can enable an arbitrary number of modifications compared to only being able to select 1 era. 20180728 17:11:21<+discordbot> modifications can also be enabled on campaigns 20180728 17:12:28<+discordbot> oh okay 20180728 17:12:38< celticminstrel> Not necessarily just events. 20180728 17:13:03<+discordbot> it's what the wiki says, at least 20180728 17:13:05<+discordbot> "A modification is, practically speaking, a bunch of events which get included into the scenario if the modification is enabled." 20180728 17:13:23< celticminstrel> IIRC they could add new AI algorithms for MP, for example (obviously that's useless for SP though). 20180728 17:13:36< celticminstrel> If that's not possible, it should be. 20180728 17:27:16<+discordbot> pretty crazy how popular legend of the invincible is 20180728 17:27:16<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472817322567008286/unknown.png 20180728 17:28:30-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180728 17:30:10<+discordbot> I haven't played it, but I'm considering. Just seems very...long. 20180728 17:31:35<+discordbot> You don't have to play it all the way. Each Chapter can be seen as an campaign on it's own, but your leaders and your units carry over. 20180728 17:31:43<+discordbot> (Each part has 5 chapters). 20180728 17:33:06<+discordbot> And btw, popularity is better measured by looking at the number of downloads. 20180728 17:34:14<+discordbot> And 2000 of the replies to this post are from Dugi. 20180728 17:34:31<+discordbot> 'Only' 4700 are from users. 20180728 17:35:28<+discordbot> And 378 of those are from me. xD 20180728 17:36:04<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ™ƒ 20180728 17:36:22<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180728 17:36:28<+discordbot> Interesting 20180728 17:37:58<+discordbot> The amount of replies is because of the lenght of LotI (and because people like it), so there were more bugs, more suggestions, more tweaks, more everything. Especially because of the items. 20180728 17:38:44<+discordbot> What is the plot? 20180728 17:38:50<+discordbot> If you think a campaign is perfect the way it is, then you will probably comment only once. If you like the campaign and you find bugs, you will comment more than once. 20180728 17:39:16<+discordbot> lovwe 20180728 17:39:17<+discordbot> love 20180728 17:39:18<+discordbot> The plot is so long that telling you anything at all would be a spoiler. 20180728 17:39:31<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472820413605609472/ink-miss.ogg 20180728 17:39:36<+discordbot> a swing and a miss 20180728 17:39:51<+discordbot> I know the feeling. I can barely get into the plots of my books without spoiling. 20180728 17:40:24<+discordbot> I mean normally you can give background and such to tell something about the plot. 20180728 17:40:38<+discordbot> But in this case the charakters and what they experience are the plot. 20180728 17:40:49< celticminstrel> ??? 20180728 17:41:07<+discordbot> Speaking of items. To whom you gave staff of justice? 20180728 17:41:09< celticminstrel> (BTW it's "characters".) 20180728 17:41:24< celticminstrel> Anyway I'll probably never play LotI myself. 20180728 17:41:28<+discordbot> celticministrel: Can you tell us the plot of LotI without spoilers? ๐Ÿ˜„ (And thanks!) 20180728 17:41:33<+discordbot> I guess not. XD 20180728 17:42:51<+discordbot> Anyway, if anyone wants to slap some labels on things, I've created some new issues. xD 20180728 17:42:52<+discordbot> yeah I don't plan on either 20180728 17:42:58<+discordbot> Well I love uniqueness in campaigns 20180728 17:43:08<+discordbot> it's not anywhere near the traditional campaign 20180728 17:43:12<+discordbot> and that's what I play Wesnoth for 20180728 17:43:20<+discordbot> But shiny items. :C 20180728 17:43:29<+discordbot> I don't like super OP units either 20180728 17:44:17<+discordbot> I might be able to find time to play it + wesnoth more after I get done with some stuffos 20180728 17:45:36<+discordbot> But they are not super op compared to the other super op units. 20180728 17:45:47<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180728 17:46:49<+discordbot> I know that thonk 20180728 17:47:00<+discordbot> >_> 20180728 17:53:57<+discordbot> I thought ooze mini campaign was pretty unique 20180728 17:54:13<+discordbot> as far as non traditional campaigns go 20180728 18:01:19<+discordbot> Elvish Dynasty RPG too. 20180728 18:03:40<+discordbot> I wish that campaign had you do more missions 20180728 18:03:53<+discordbot> So you're not forced into all the combat ones if you want veterans 20180728 18:04:18-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 18:04:32<+discordbot> The number of missions depens on the difficulty chosen, I think? 20180728 18:05:25<+discordbot> Really? Never knew about that 20180728 18:05:36<+discordbot> Afaik there were only 10 whenever I played 20180728 18:08:24<+discordbot> im not completely against non-tradtional campaigns 20180728 18:08:32<+discordbot> but i would say that loti takes it to the extreme 20180728 18:11:18-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4e320767.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 18:11:26<+discordbot> I'm not sure, I'm basically just guessing. 20180728 18:11:54<+discordbot> LotI is basically a traditional campaign with mods. And the enemies are balanced to account for those mods. 20180728 18:12:10<+discordbot> When I last played, and this was awhile ago 20180728 18:12:18<+discordbot> my two main units could basically chain-kill all enemy units 20180728 18:12:21<+discordbot> in any scenario 20180728 18:12:25<+discordbot> No, I would say it's on the verge of being a total conversion 20180728 18:12:59<+discordbot> when I can win the scenario just by ending the turn 20180728 18:13:00<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472828830214782997/ayq4ao.png 20180728 18:14:44<+discordbot> Well. Start with Part 2. 20180728 18:14:56<+discordbot> Have fun fighting demons. 20180728 18:16:08<+discordbot> What I like about LotI is that there are a lot of OP builds And that they're all OP in their own special way 20180728 18:29:31< celticminstrel> I need someone who understands terrain graphic rules... 20180728 18:30:19< celticminstrel> These rivers aren't connecting properly. 20180728 18:30:29< celticminstrel> I guess they should behave basically like the rails terrain. 20180728 18:31:45<+discordbot> @ever--- The only thing that doesn't work well is having a huge army. :( 20180728 18:32:09<+discordbot> Which is true for Genesis as well. 20180728 18:32:09-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180728 18:32:31< celticminstrel> Or maybe they should behave like bridges? Not quite sure if there's a difference though. 20180728 18:33:27-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 18:33:45-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 20180728 18:35:53<+discordbot> One-man army > Huge army 20180728 18:36:13<+discordbot> 8-20 one-man armies = ? 20180728 18:37:19<+discordbot> I think I fed Aryel every single human L3 I saw 20180728 18:37:55<+discordbot> I like small groups of units so 20180728 18:37:58<+discordbot> That might be for me 20180728 18:38:42<+discordbot> With small groups, I think it's important to make them memorable 20180728 18:39:09<+discordbot> Which LotI does with items, and you probably won't forget units that solokill the enemy army 20180728 18:40:29<+discordbot> I usually play campaigns with a handful of elite units, often 1 from every unit branch end, and then a few extras, but sometimes I rather play with a bunch of mid-level units and level them up slowly 20180728 18:46:06<+discordbot> Yeah 20180728 18:46:20<+discordbot> but Small groups are also fun cause less brain activity needed to play 20180728 18:46:28<+discordbot> and you get to the juicy story faster 20180728 18:46:35<+discordbot> instead of 60 turns of grinding out the skeleton horde 20180728 18:49:18<+discordbot> I guess 20180728 18:49:44<+discordbot> I usually just get 1 of each level three I can for each unit branch then just kinda stop after that 20180728 18:51:56<+discordbot> *stop recruiting 20180728 18:53:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 18:56:28<+discordbot> I try to recruit enough units so I end up with the same number of max level units in each branch. 20180728 18:56:53<+discordbot> And I keep recruiting, because max lvl units are reserved for the last scenario. xD 20180728 18:57:51<+discordbot> Some units you have to recruit more of [like the Mages, I recruit 3, one for Mage of Light, one for Silver Mage, one for Great Mage], and some you only need to recruit 1 of. 20180728 18:58:04<+discordbot> Yup. And I do that. 20180728 18:58:20<+discordbot> Okay, no I don't. 20180728 18:58:41<+discordbot> I just recruit the same number of lvl 1s and split them up equally when leveling them up. 20180728 18:59:31<+discordbot> ...maybe? 20180728 18:59:51<+discordbot> I'm confused. It's been some time since I've played a campaign where this is applicable. 20180728 19:00:26<+discordbot> Time to edit. 20180728 19:02:12<+discordbot> feeding Aryel ๐Ÿ‘ 20180728 19:02:15<+discordbot> @Yumi How is the progress of porting your puzzles? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 19:02:23<+discordbot> wha 20180728 19:02:28<+discordbot> Gosh. 20180728 19:02:34<+discordbot> Green = Inky 20180728 19:02:34<+discordbot> xD 20180728 19:02:36<+discordbot> :p 20180728 19:02:41<+discordbot> I was like Inky is the one doing puzzles 20180728 19:03:14<+discordbot> What I actually wanted to write = My protagonists in Genesis are not as leveled up because my army leeches the xp. xD 20180728 19:03:30<+discordbot> it's okay, they get free exp now 20180728 19:03:38<+discordbot> My army? ._. 20180728 19:03:43<+discordbot> no Yumi Aryel and Esther 20180728 19:03:45<+discordbot> and Talya 20180728 19:03:54<+discordbot> How and why? 20180728 19:04:00<+discordbot> I give you some for completing puzzles 20180728 19:04:08<+discordbot> but scenarios are shorter too 20180728 19:04:18<+discordbot> S2 is now 29 turns on hard mode, down from 50+ 20180728 19:04:19<+discordbot> Neat! 20180728 19:04:31<+discordbot> Puzzles are love and life. 20180728 19:04:34<+discordbot> Also for beating bosses, as I remember 20180728 19:04:40<+discordbot> See, you do puzzles too. xD 20180728 19:04:45<+discordbot> hahahaha 20180728 19:04:53<+discordbot> spoiler/sneak peek 20180728 19:05:01<+discordbot> Genesis 2 starts with a flurry of puzzles 20180728 19:05:02<+discordbot> 75 reserve troops for me. xD 20180728 19:05:28<+discordbot> 75 L3's, or just troops in general? 20180728 19:05:39<+discordbot> troops in general, still checking the numbers 20180728 19:06:29<+discordbot> 16 lvl 1, 27 lvl 3 20180728 19:06:42<+discordbot> 6 almost lvl 3 20180728 19:06:47<+discordbot> I've adopted the belief that it's better to give your L1's a 'glorious ' death in battle, rather than let them be benchwarmers for eternity 20180728 19:07:28<+discordbot> 4 almost lvl 2 20180728 19:07:48<+discordbot> and 20 lvl 2 20180728 19:07:56<+discordbot> That's a lot of xp. 20180728 19:07:58<+discordbot> ๐Ÿค” 20180728 19:08:16<+discordbot> Some of the lvl 3s advanced more than once. 20180728 19:08:23<+discordbot> giving faeries exp is really good 20180728 19:08:39<+discordbot> but still need to give a decent amount to fae 20180728 19:09:01<+discordbot> I just like collecting units. 20180728 19:09:07<+discordbot> Fae get some pretty broken abilities later on 20180728 19:09:17<+discordbot> psh 20180728 19:09:22<+discordbot> if you think those are broken 20180728 19:09:28<+discordbot> just wait until you see the ones you get in episode 2 20180728 19:09:34<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜ 20180728 19:10:11<+discordbot> Or in AtS? 20180728 19:10:24<+discordbot> I'm speaking in context of regular wesnoth I've seen some really broken things in campaigns like LotI 20180728 19:10:27<+discordbot> naw shadowm's still adding AMLAs to IftU 20180728 19:10:37<+discordbot> she'll probably get to AMLAs for AtS later 20180728 19:11:05<+discordbot> right now I'm in the danger zone of having inflated values 20180728 19:11:13<+discordbot> 75 reserve soldiers in SotA too. xD 20180728 19:11:20<+discordbot> Genesis 1 is a little inflated compared to regular wesnoth 20180728 19:11:31<+discordbot> LotI was suuuper inflated, last I tried playing it 20180728 19:11:42<+discordbot> Inflated in what way? 20180728 19:11:54<+discordbot> damage values and hp values and resists are much higher 20180728 19:12:14<+discordbot> it's not really a bad thing in itself, but I want to try to stick somewhat close to regular wesnoth values 20180728 19:12:38<+discordbot> For the record, the engine isn't designed for higher values. Using them increases memory usage and slows down the AI. 20180728 19:12:56<+discordbot> yeah, that became a huge problem for me when playing survivalxtreme 20180728 19:13:01<+discordbot> ...that explains a lot. 20180728 19:13:42<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/472844109850214410/frog.png 20180728 19:14:00<+discordbot> With SurvivalXtreme turning on deterministic mode really helped performance 20180728 19:14:37<+discordbot> What kind of attack is that? xD 20180728 19:14:52<+discordbot> Lightning ๐Ÿ˜‹ 20180728 19:14:59<+discordbot> And that's without leadership 20180728 19:15:09<+discordbot> Sounds good to me. 20180728 19:15:38<+discordbot> Only 18 reserve troops in AOI. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 20180728 19:16:04<+discordbot> And 5 of them lvl 1... 20180728 19:16:07<+discordbot> Sad story. 20180728 19:16:24<+discordbot> only 100+ reserve troops in NR 20180728 19:16:30<+discordbot> :)) 20180728 19:16:50<+discordbot> Only human side? 20180728 19:17:03<+discordbot> And sounds like lvl 1 spam. ๐Ÿค” 20180728 19:17:09<+discordbot> I'm joking 20180728 19:17:16<+discordbot> I haven't had the patience to work through NR in a long time 20180728 19:17:32<+discordbot> AOI, simplest campaign ever 20180728 19:18:22<+discordbot> Simpler than AToTB? 20180728 19:18:41<+discordbot> Anyway, my Gns list is pretty similar 20180728 19:18:58<+discordbot> 70 total, 2 L4, 18 L3, ~20-30 L2's 20180728 19:19:27<+discordbot> Including the free ones 20180728 19:20:07<+discordbot> huh thats a lot 20180728 19:21:09<+discordbot> I think when I last tested, I went with about 30 total units 20180728 19:21:17<+discordbot> erm, not counting fae and Talya 20180728 19:22:23<+discordbot> Yeah, AtotB is the simplest, with four scenarios. 20180728 19:22:57<+discordbot> I think it's actually the easiest as well. 20180728 19:23:21<+discordbot> well, it may not be the most straightforward to play in terms of scenarios 20180728 19:23:39<+discordbot> Actually, I think the Tutorial is simpler. 20180728 19:23:46<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180728 19:23:48<+discordbot> Well.... 20180728 19:23:50<+discordbot> okay 20180728 19:23:54<+discordbot> Touche 20180728 19:23:56<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180728 19:29:48<+discordbot> I lost in tutorial. So... ๐Ÿ˜‚ 20180728 19:30:11<+discordbot> It's quite easy to lose in the tutorial. I lost it as well. 20180728 19:31:23<+discordbot> It was too hard. Things happening too fast... I just couldnt do it... Please make it simpler. 20180728 19:32:33<+discordbot> I think it'd be easier if Galdrad was allowed to recruit instead of just stand there, or you could move him or something 20180728 19:33:06<+discordbot> Tutorial > NR 20180728 19:33:18<+discordbot> NR > Tutorial 20180728 19:33:32<+discordbot> How? 20180728 19:33:44<+discordbot> I just like it more 20180728 19:33:53<+discordbot> Plus, NR's one of my fav campaigns 20180728 19:34:01<+discordbot> But Tutorial is harder. 20180728 19:35:12<+discordbot> I think having to face a l2 + l3 enemy leader which recruit l1s against your really weak l0s is harder 20180728 19:36:54<+discordbot> Well i had no problem with it... But Tutorial i have nightmares about it till today. 20180728 19:38:22<+discordbot> Oh 20180728 19:38:24<+discordbot> I see 20180728 19:38:30<+discordbot> Sorry, mate 20180728 19:39:23<+discordbot> You dont need to feel sorry. Its my fear and I need to overcome it by myself. 20180728 19:41:12<+discordbot> I have no idea how to improve the tutorial situationโ€ฆ 20180728 19:41:48<+discordbot> Just make Galdrad do something or something 20180728 19:42:14<+discordbot> My first suggestion would be removing the advice to take the island. 20180728 19:42:28<+discordbot> You can't reliably gain control of it until you have enough units. 20180728 19:45:27-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854E7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 19:47:19<+discordbot> Is it just hard for starters or is it still hard for everyone? 20180728 19:47:45<+discordbot> And my advice would be to shorten the distance between the keep and the island. 20180728 19:49:43<+discordbot> not hard for me but I rarely have trouble with campaign type stuff so ๐Ÿคท 20180728 19:50:05<+discordbot> it's probably not trivial for new players, could be made easier 20180728 19:51:07<+discordbot> Definitely not trivial for new players. I had even played TBS games before. 20180728 19:52:18<+discordbot> yeah the island thing was stpid to me and made me restart when I realised it was bunk 20180728 19:55:16<+discordbot> The island is kind of the core part of this map... if moving the river upwards, or not recruiting wolfriders in the beginning helps reaching the island in time... removing the island comes close to a new scenario, sth. which would be quite cool, and somehow time for it after 10 yeas... but I'm not good at such things. 20180728 19:55:43<+discordbot> It's actually only needed for the ZoC explanaition 20180728 19:55:59<+discordbot> I said "removing the advice to take the island". 20180728 19:56:18-!- sevu [~Shiki@p54854E7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20180728 19:56:21<+discordbot> I won the tutorial when I left my units to the river bank at north, and fought the enemies there. 20180728 20:02:11<+discordbot> Simply removing leves open how to explain the ZoC... It maybe wouldn'T even be bad if it's not explained directly, as there are a lot of information at the beginning.. maybe 2 or 3 hex wide land bridge with partly forest would better work 20180728 20:03:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 20:03:35<+discordbot> IMHO, the tutorial doesn't even need to explain ZoC. Understanding it isn't necessary for novice campaigns (which are much easier than the tutorial, for that matter). 20180728 20:07:59-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-138-231-156.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 20:12:20-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180728 20:21:29<+discordbot> After thinking about it... agreed. It's a matter of rewriting the dialogue, the map can even stay like it is. 20180728 20:23:14<+discordbot> It's teaching better tactics, and also less information overflow. 20180728 20:59:00<+discordbot> @sevu Are you aware that I'm called Konrad22 on github? 20180728 20:59:30<+discordbot> @Inky Can we soon expect your tactis challenge on 1.14.? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 21:00:06<+discordbot> ah yeah, porting it is basically no work but i wanted to add somepuzzles before i did 20180728 21:00:20<+discordbot> Why not afterwards? :C 20180728 21:00:42<+discordbot> ah ok, I will port it first then ๐Ÿ˜ƒ 20180728 21:11:35<+discordbot> just played through the tutorial! 20180728 21:11:43<+discordbot> the The End in the end is un-antialised 20180728 21:13:13<+discordbot> the "The End" white image that is shown when you complewte a campaign 20180728 21:13:57<+discordbot> also the tutorial lack a certain pathos, as murdering Delfador used to bring 20180728 21:16:26<+discordbot> you could murder Delfador?? 20180728 21:16:57<+discordbot> yes. in the early days, that was what wesnoth was about. konrad had to murder delfador to graduate the tutorial. 20180728 21:17:15<+discordbot> whoa, that's dark ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 21:17:30<+discordbot> wesnoth has many dark undertones. 20180728 21:18:56< zookeeper> it doesn't sound so bad when you consider how you then go on to murder hundreds upon hundreds anyway. 20180728 21:18:57<+discordbot> as someone, i dont remember who said: 20180728 21:19:30<+discordbot> it is sick and twisted that you let a bunch of troops "soften up" an enemy so that another troop could "get the experience" of killing it 20180728 21:19:46< zookeeper> i think it was EP 20180728 21:19:50<+discordbot> o 20180728 21:19:53< zookeeper> and i'm pretty sure it was "sick and morbid" 20180728 21:19:55< zookeeper> or maybe turin? 20180728 21:20:23<+discordbot> EP is still online, nice 20180728 21:21:50<+discordbot> but it is so common that it comes as expected - it is like jumping on Goombas in Mario - of course you need to "get the experience of killing". all wesnothians are vampires, they level up by sucking the energy contained in enemies as they die 20180728 21:22:32<+discordbot> the elf lady vampire of TRoW is only surprising because she has a skin disease 20180728 21:23:04<+discordbot> surprising to the islefolk 20180728 21:24:28< zookeeper> a legit hypothesis 20180728 21:29:52-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180728 21:30:29-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 21:34:15<+discordbot> what did i just read 20180728 21:34:32<+discordbot> Are you legit saying all wesnothians are vampires? 20180728 21:35:56<+discordbot> yes 20180728 21:44:57<+discordbot> Which isn't accurate, but okay. ^^ 20180728 21:46:43<+discordbot> they died when the suns became too bright 20180728 21:46:46<+discordbot> i wonder why that is! 20180728 21:47:02<+discordbot> ...that means we are vampires too. 20180728 21:47:14<+discordbot> We die when the sun becomes too bright. 20180728 21:47:16-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180728 21:47:19<+discordbot> but but i have never killed anyone 20180728 21:47:21<+discordbot> I woner why that is! 20180728 21:47:28<+discordbot> Uh, yes, you did. 20180728 21:47:37<+discordbot> i do not even know the feeling of draining someone's "experience" 20180728 21:47:38<+discordbot> You kill a lot of beings on a regulary basis. 20180728 21:47:50<+discordbot> good point 20180728 21:47:53<+discordbot> And you feed on some. 20180728 21:48:05<+discordbot> Using their energy to fuel your life. 20180728 21:48:18<+discordbot> i eat creatures that i do not kill though 20180728 21:48:27<+discordbot> and i kill creatures that i do not east (eg mosquitoes) 20180728 21:48:37<+discordbot> Which is why I worded it this way. 20180728 21:48:50<+discordbot> Instead of saying 'Some of them (you kill). 20180728 21:48:55<+discordbot> yeah but then it is not an answer to me ๐Ÿ˜› 20180728 21:48:57<+discordbot> I say 'some (beings). 20180728 21:49:58<+discordbot> @Inky Is there only one version of wmlint? 20180728 21:50:06<+discordbot> Hi guys do you know some good campain with the Knalgan aliance ? 20180728 21:50:23<+discordbot> @Wuii Scepter of Fire! IMO that is the best campaign overall 20180728 21:50:26<+discordbot> No. 20180728 21:50:27<+discordbot> no idea, why not just use the latest one? 20180728 21:50:33<+discordbot> That's not Knalgan alliance. 20180728 21:50:36<+discordbot> it only has dwarfs, yeah 20180728 21:50:44<+discordbot> i guess that's what i understood him to mean 20180728 21:50:55<+discordbot> @Inky Because at some point I want to port UMC from 1.0 xD 20180728 21:51:08<+discordbot> ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 20180728 21:51:28<+discordbot> And you said that porting from 1.12 to 1.14 is kinda trivial. 20180728 21:51:45< zookeeper> then you want to use the 1.2 wmllint, then 1.4, then 1.6... in theory, anyway. i'm sure you'll need to do hand-fixing too. 20180728 21:51:52<+discordbot> So I assume that it is somewhat easy to port from one stable release to the next. 20180728 21:51:54<+discordbot> ah, i meant porting my add-on, because it's simple. others aren't so easy 20180728 21:52:20<+discordbot> i think from 1.0 it would just be easier to rewrite from scratch... 20180728 21:52:31<+discordbot> zookeeper: It would certainly way easier than trying to directly port it from 1.0 to 1.14. 20180728 21:52:49<+discordbot> At least until I pull that list of changes together in a way thats useful. 20180728 21:53:02<+discordbot> so another thzn the scepter of fire so ? 20180728 21:53:07<+discordbot> @Konrad2 to be frank, a lot of the early umc (eg Dark Hordes) was crap 20180728 21:53:32<+discordbot> how much is ther ethat is worth porting? 20180728 21:53:50<+discordbot> @Wuii The Hammer of Thursagen 20180728 21:54:11<+discordbot> thats only dwarf too no ? 20180728 21:54:23<+discordbot> Yes, pretty much. 20180728 21:54:29<+discordbot> @Wuii Liberty has outlaws, Scepter of Fire has dwarfs 20180728 21:54:31<+discordbot> both are good 20180728 21:54:41<+discordbot> ok thanks 20180728 21:55:13<+discordbot> @blarumyrran Probably not alot of it. But the point would be to make it possible for someone to take it up again and make it better. 20180728 21:55:29<+discordbot> @Konrad2 well what campaign specifically? 20180728 21:55:29<+discordbot> Making it accessible. 20180728 21:55:34<+discordbot> @Wuii I would suggest add-on campaign 'The Earth's Gut'. 20180728 21:55:46<+discordbot> ok 20180728 21:55:51<+discordbot> Not neccessarily a campaign. All UMC. 20180728 21:56:11<+discordbot> @Wuii Scepter of Fire is a lot better than Hammer of Thursagan though; so i suggest, try that first 20180728 21:56:22<+discordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48086 20180728 21:56:26<+discordbot> But SoF is expert difficulty 20180728 21:56:31<+discordbot> But that's far off in the future. 20180728 21:56:55<+discordbot> Also, who knows how much they will be polished, if they receive some more feedback? 20180728 21:57:31<+discordbot> I do like SoF more, but it is expert difficulty. If you do try THoT, prepare for a bloodbath at the end. [I'm not saying what that bloodbath is] 20180728 21:57:43<+discordbot> SoF is so fat easy. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 21:57:48<+discordbot> *far 20180728 21:57:54<+discordbot> So fat easy 20180728 21:58:00<+discordbot> But I'm only at Sc4. 20180728 21:58:09<+discordbot> @Konrad2 i mean what are you saying - "All UMC." - as in you will create some new solution to automatically porting all 1.0 UMC to current? 20180728 21:58:20<+discordbot> ofc that is not what you are saying unless you are insane 20180728 21:59:20<+discordbot> No, I was saying that I want at some point (maybe in 70 years? XD) every single UMC that exists working on the latest stable version. ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 21:59:31<+discordbot> BUT THEY ARE CRAP, mostly 20180728 21:59:44<+discordbot> You already got my answer to that, honestly. 20180728 21:59:51<+discordbot> how can you be unspecific about which UMC are worthwhile D: 20180728 22:00:13-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180728 22:00:29<+discordbot> Because I have no way to differentiate between 'good' and 'bad' UMC without making it work on 1.14 now. And playing it. 20180728 22:00:36<+discordbot> I don't have time for that. 20180728 22:00:57<+discordbot> you can differentiate between good and bad 1.0 UMC by playing them on 1.0 20180728 22:01:08<+discordbot> I do think a lot of UMC are worthwhile, such as Bob_The_Mighty's scenarios [TFoT, BoL, LoC, ItU, TK], and I have played quite a few memorable campaigns as well 20180728 22:01:12<+discordbot> See above. 20180728 22:01:24<+discordbot> @Not Hamel bob the mighty was not around in 1.0 20180728 22:01:26<+discordbot> Bob_The_Mighty is on 1.14 20180728 22:01:41<+discordbot> Oh, oops 20180728 22:01:51<+discordbot> So I want to create a list that has all changes in WML it, sorted by when that change occurs and how that stuff is handled in the latest stable release. 20180728 22:01:57<+discordbot> But his scenarios are good stuff 20180728 22:04:32<+discordbot> That way you can manually more or less directly port everything. Porting stuff later on from 1.14 to 1.16 would be way easier, than porting it from whenever. So the amount of work would theoretically shrink. Putting the UMC on github would help as well, because people could create issues for bugs and suggestions and preferably contribute the code themselves. 20180728 22:05:13<+discordbot> i know very litle of code parts of wesnoth but that is an enormous project for very little return 20180728 22:05:59<+discordbot> im not good with the anagrams are those 20180728 22:06:08<+discordbot> uh for what are thoes acronyms? 20180728 22:06:12<+discordbot> regarding Bob_The_Mighty 20180728 22:06:30<+discordbot> Well. What kind of return are you expecting in wesnoth? 20180728 22:06:39<+discordbot> The Fall of Trent 20180728 22:06:45<+discordbot> Labyrinth of Champions 20180728 22:06:53<+discordbot> Into the Underworld 20180728 22:06:55<+discordbot> The Kraken 20180728 22:07:10<+discordbot> And no idea about BoL 20180728 22:07:38<+discordbot> @Konrad2 i guess one thing is: in HTTT you have at one point a choice between Muff Malal's Peninsula and another scenario, a 1-scenario fork that converges right after. more forking in mainline campaigns would be an obvious avenue to investigate 20180728 22:07:57<+discordbot> i name this as just one of many many things that i think would have great "return" 20180728 22:08:12<+discordbot> eg endings. 20180728 22:08:15<+discordbot> You forgot to name what kind of return that would be. 20180728 22:08:26<+discordbot> each campaign has just one ending, with slight variations 20180728 22:08:28<+discordbot> BoL = Brotherhood of Light 20180728 22:08:34<+discordbot> @Konrad2 20180728 22:08:48<+discordbot> Huh, that was from him as well? 20180728 22:08:52<+discordbot> Yep 20180728 22:08:59<+discordbot> and of course the wesnoth history is written as it is, so there cannot be drastic changes, i understand that, but even so i would really like more branching in mainline wesnoth campaigns 20180728 22:09:02<+discordbot> Well, it's his style all right. 20180728 22:09:16<+discordbot> decisions are fun 20180728 22:09:17<+discordbot> I still don't see what kind of return that would yield to me. 20180728 22:09:23<+discordbot> well sure 20180728 22:09:28<+discordbot> i cannot speak for you 20180728 22:09:33<+discordbot> i mean how could you even ask me to? 20180728 22:09:45<+discordbot> I typed it out 2 times? ๐Ÿ˜„ 20180728 22:09:46<+discordbot> xD 20180728 22:10:14<+discordbot> I mean, you told me that 'my' project would have little return. 20180728 22:10:32<+discordbot> So you must have some assumptions regarding what kind of return that would be. 20180728 22:10:38<+discordbot> yes, to the vast majority of wesnoth players 20180728 22:10:51<+discordbot> as very few of that umc would be picked up 20180728 22:10:53<+discordbot> I'm doing because I want to. 20180728 22:11:00<+discordbot> that is actually a good reason 20180728 22:11:01<+discordbot> Because I like that idea. 20180728 22:12:18<+discordbot> just... do not hope too much that they will just be picked up? i think the core of the fun of umc creation is creating your own stuff. very few people like to manage and improve other people's stuff 20180728 22:13:26<+discordbot> that would apply to you too, if you do it only because you want it 20180728 22:13:46<+discordbot> i do not maintain anything if that is what you say 20180728 22:13:51<+discordbot> (meaning Konrad) 20180728 22:13:57<+discordbot> nvm 20180728 22:15:18<+discordbot> What would apply to me? ^^ 20180728 22:17:33<+discordbot> And @blarumyrran, I'm aware. (: And I'm fine with that. I really just want to do this so every can access it. Also, once something works, it can still be cut off later on. I just don't think I should even try testing it, because that would just mean evne more work. 20180728 22:17:56<+discordbot> I'm still not finished with playing all mainline campaigns on 1.14. :c 20180728 22:19:01<+discordbot> I'd suggest playing them in chronological order. 20180728 22:19:35<+discordbot> me neither! still haven't played SotBE and the SotA 20180728 22:21:05<+discordbot> @Not Hamel I'd be getting stuck in the longer ones then. 20180728 22:21:34<+discordbot> Just stick through it is my advice 20180728 22:21:56<+discordbot> @Konrad2 but - then all you can test for, is whether it will give errors on startup, not whether it works as it did on 1.0 - that's a bit of a problem by itself 20180728 22:22:50<+discordbot> I'm still missing LoW, HttT, THoT, DM and SotBE. I'm halfway through SoF and in the 4th scenario of TRoW. 20180728 22:23:02<+discordbot> @blarumyrran That's why feedback exists. 20180728 22:23:11<+discordbot> You haven't completed HttT? 20180728 22:23:21<+discordbot> Not in 1.14, why? 20180728 22:23:50<+discordbot> Bugs can be fixed, but when noone can easily access the content, then noone will find those bugs. ^^ 20180728 22:24:17<+discordbot> I'm just a bit shocked, that's all. Because your name is Konrad2 20180728 22:26:35<+discordbot> Look, replaying a campaign more than 3 times without new content does get boring. 20180728 22:27:02<+discordbot> I see. 20180728 22:30:22<+discordbot> (Not to mention that I took this name before I played HttT.) 20180728 22:33:05<+discordbot> off, have work tomrrow 20180728 22:35:32< celticminstrel> I wonder if the Steelhive faction is sufficiently working on 1.14 to upload it... 20180728 22:35:52< celticminstrel> Though I guess most people who want Steelhive will just download Ageless instead. 20180728 22:36:06<+discordbot> celmin: You are the best! 20180728 22:36:10< celticminstrel> ??? 20180728 22:36:22<+discordbot> Just looking at github. 20180728 22:37:12<+discordbot> (Saurians.) 20180728 22:37:17< celticminstrel> Okay then? 20180728 22:37:27< celticminstrel> I see you've taken to calling me celmin, too. 20180728 22:37:53< celticminstrel> I guess because it's shorter and you don't have tab-complete. 20180728 22:38:16<+discordbot> Actually, normally I call you whatever of your name says at the time. I guess I shortcircuited this time. 20180728 22:38:22< celticminstrel> Heh 20180728 22:38:28<+discordbot> I was really sure that you were called 'celmin' this time. 20180728 22:38:32<+discordbot> Until I scrolled back. 20180728 22:38:32<+discordbot> xD 20180728 22:39:01< celticminstrel> I want to open an issue about the Elvish Lady but I have no idea how to say it. 20180728 22:41:21<+discordbot> Start with throwing words at the reader. 20180728 22:42:17<+discordbot> (That actually works for me a lot.) 20180728 22:48:14<+discordbot> Let me get this straight. 20180728 22:48:23<+discordbot> I'm deep underground in a cave. 20180728 22:48:33<+discordbot> This cave is the heart of troll territoy. 20180728 22:48:36<+discordbot> *territory. 20180728 22:49:23<+discordbot> And those trolls commands trolls (okay, of course), some Ogres (wait what?) and a horde of Goblins (Okay, now you are trolling me.)? 20180728 22:49:36<+discordbot> SoF, Sc4. 20180728 22:52:33<+discordbot> And they are fighting each other when I arrive, after living together forever. 20180728 22:57:51<+discordbot> ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ 20180728 22:57:52<+discordbot> ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ 20180728 23:05:41<+discordbot> Just hell no. xD 20180728 23:32:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 23:32:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 23:49:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180728 23:50:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180728 23:52:19< janebot> wesnoth: I need beginners tips (by /u/CarriesConstantCandy) https://redd.it/92qm91 --- Log closed Sun Jul 29 00:00:27 2018