--- Log opened Mon Jul 30 00:00:28 2018 20180730 00:25:28-!- TC01 [~quassel@venus.arosser.com] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 00:31:47<+discordbot> Could I get someone to confirm that this happens on their end? When I finish the "Hasty Alliance" scenario for HttT, I get this error: 20180730 00:31:47<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/473286544417882112/unknown.png 20180730 00:41:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 00:41:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 00:44:08<+discordbot> Didn't happen on my end when I did it a couple of weeks ago 20180730 00:44:25<+discordbot> I just finished Grnk's story 20180730 00:44:29<+discordbot> YUMI FEED ME MORE CAMPAIGNS 20180730 00:45:52<+discordbot> can you go back and check hyper 20180730 00:47:06<+discordbot> Hasty Alliance 20180730 00:47:09<+discordbot> which chapter is it? 20180730 00:47:17<+discordbot> yeah hasty alliance 20180730 00:47:20<+discordbot> scenario 20180730 00:47:21<+discordbot> then do debug next_level 20180730 00:47:39<+discordbot> 16 20180730 00:49:06<+discordbot> Can't I just load my save? 20180730 00:49:10<+discordbot> from the beginning 20180730 00:49:31<+discordbot> sure 20180730 00:49:34<+discordbot> wait no 20180730 00:49:46<+discordbot> go to hasty alliance, and go from there 20180730 00:50:09<+discordbot> I loaded Hasty Alliance 20180730 00:50:32<+discordbot> its the scenario following it 20180730 00:50:52<+discordbot> http://prntscr.com/kckgy2 20180730 00:50:58<+discordbot> i killed the troll with debug 20180730 00:50:59<+discordbot> and won 20180730 00:51:37<+discordbot> and next scenario works fine 20180730 00:51:51<+discordbot> you're on 1.14.4? 20180730 00:51:54<+discordbot> Yeah 20180730 00:51:59<+discordbot> what the heck 20180730 00:52:13<+discordbot> 🤷🏾 20180730 00:52:49<+discordbot> oh i was on my 1.14.1 20180730 00:52:52<+discordbot> lol 20180730 00:54:17<+discordbot> lmao 20180730 00:54:18<+discordbot> nice 20180730 01:01:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 01:01:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 01:14:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 01:14:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 01:48:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 01:48:31-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 01:53:33-!- Johannes13__ [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 01:56:17-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20180730 02:02:20-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@123.211.131.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180730 02:10:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 02:10:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 02:49:31<+discordbot> hmm does anybody happen to know where that sprite of the skeleton playing the trumpet is stored? I've been looking in data/core/images and can't find it 20180730 02:50:54<+discordbot> @Inky It's a singing skleton, it's not playing the trumpet. /images/icons (not /data/core/images/icons). 20180730 02:51:17<+discordbot> oh thanks ! haha i didn't look too closely 20180730 02:54:10<+discordbot> so if i want that as an icon on the addon server, i put icon="images/icons/icon-music.png" in the ,pbl file? 20180730 02:56:59<+discordbot> Potentially. 20180730 02:57:13<+discordbot> If that fails you can encode it as inline data instead. 20180730 02:57:24<+discordbot> ah ok i'll try it 20180730 02:57:49<+discordbot> (I got soundandfury's permission to port his Era of Music addon!) 20180730 03:37:30-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:e167:1561:2342:7ac5] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 03:40:08-!- marisag [~marisa@2601:640:8200:c597:e167:1561:2342:7ac5] has left #wesnoth [] 20180730 04:35:44-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@123.211.131.135] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 05:00:44<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 what campaigns have you played so far? 20180730 05:09:45-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180730 05:23:23-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@123.211.131.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180730 05:26:23-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.137.147] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 05:27:50-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 05:48:32-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180730 06:04:44-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@95.82.135.160] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 06:30:35-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 07:25:10-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 07:58:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 07:58:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 08:01:22-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180730 08:57:30<+discordbot> shadowm, what do you thing of my newest issue? 20180730 09:00:36<+discordbot> @Inky One of this units is called 'Cello. Is that intended? 20180730 09:00:51<+discordbot> And I don't think that 'Glockenspiel' is an english word. 😦 20180730 09:18:04< zookeeper> it is 20180730 09:22:16<+discordbot> You have Glockenspiel in English? That's... interesting. I'm quite certain it's a, German word, though I know that e. g. Angst and Zeitgeist are used in English as well. 20180730 09:23:14-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@95.82.135.160] has quit [Changing host] 20180730 09:23:14-!- vladimirslavik [~vslavik@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 09:25:35<+discordbot> The English language is full of loanwords. 20180730 09:25:49<+discordbot> @Konrad2 What newest issue? 20180730 09:27:05<+discordbot> @shadowm Adding the Berserker laugh in IftU. :D 20180730 09:27:46<+discordbot> The implementation is not trivial or unit-agnostic (look at the Berserker's animation code to see why) so I'm not interested in working on it myself. 20180730 09:28:03<+discordbot> I'd also prefer to keep the dwarf laugh sound for use with Argan 20180730 09:28:22<+discordbot> Oh. I thought it is trivial. :c Sorry to hear that. :/ 20180730 09:28:25<+discordbot> (Aside from the dwarves, which... really never get a chance to trigger it in S13.) 20180730 09:28:56<+discordbot> (Although they do in a scenario much later if you manage to sneak one next to a tower.) 20180730 09:44:13<+discordbot> That's exactly how I heard the first berserker laugh. 20180730 12:07:20-!- guest2399 [~guest9293@188.146.239.234.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 12:10:15-!- guest2399 [~guest9293@188.146.239.234.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20180730 12:21:51<+discordbot> I played Grnk, Bad Moon Rising, Library of Kratemaqkt, invasion from the unknown, me thinks 20180730 12:22:01<+discordbot> I'll probably play the one I downloaded a while ago 20180730 12:22:10<+discordbot> It was the most downloaded one from workshop so 20180730 12:22:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 12:46:51<+discordbot> i recommend Genesis 20180730 12:47:00<+discordbot> i havent completed it but its quite good imo 20180730 12:47:31<+discordbot> its character focused rather than unit focused (though you do need to train units obviously), has a few RPG elements, and it has this weird abstract atmosphere to it, its really nice imo 20180730 12:47:59<+discordbot> (Genesis is also an unofficial prequel to Invasion from the Unknown and pretty much all of mainline) 20180730 12:48:29<+discordbot> (Only if you consider IftU and AtS canon.) 20180730 12:48:29<+discordbot> since it takes place before the entirety of mainline, even before The Rise of Wesnoth 20180730 12:48:32<+discordbot> (and yes) 20180730 12:48:36<+discordbot> (thats why i said "unofficial prequel" 20180730 12:49:04<+discordbot> No, no. xD 20180730 12:49:18<+discordbot> If you say it's the unofficial prequel to IftU, then you are right. 20180730 12:49:27<+discordbot> i meant unofficial prequel to both IFTU and mainline 20180730 12:49:33<+discordbot> If you say it's the unofficial to Mainline, then you are wrong. 20180730 12:49:39<+discordbot> oh 20180730 12:49:43<+discordbot> uh what do you mean 20180730 12:50:15<+discordbot> Genesis = unofficial prequel to IftU IftU = not canon -> Genesis not prequel to mainline. 20180730 12:50:52<+discordbot> well, IFTU/ATS isnt canon, and its an unofficial prequel to IFTU, and it takes place before mainline 20180730 12:50:54<+discordbot> It's basically twice removed from mainline. 20180730 12:51:02<+discordbot> so wouldnt that mean that its an unofficial prequel to mainline? 20180730 12:51:11<+discordbot> again, i did say UNOFFICIAL 20180730 12:51:15<+discordbot> as in, not canon 20180730 12:51:28<+discordbot> Not canon regarding IftU. 20180730 12:51:53<+discordbot> IftU is not canon to mainline and Genesis is not even canon to IftU. xD 20180730 12:52:05<+discordbot> i know 20180730 12:52:09<+discordbot> for both 20180730 12:52:54<+discordbot> Genesis is the unofficial prequel to IftU, which is a unofficial sequel to UtBS. Do you get why I think that Gns is not the unofficial prequel to mainline? 20180730 12:53:03<+discordbot> There is an extra step. 20180730 12:53:06<+discordbot> ok 20180730 12:54:21<+discordbot> Imagine someone made an unofficial prequel for Genesis. Would you still say that it is also an unofficial prequel to mainline? :thonk: 20180730 12:55:07<+discordbot> ehhh i guess 20180730 12:55:36<+discordbot> but anyways, arguments aside 20180730 12:55:43<+discordbot> i do recommend Genesis if you like something a bit more unique 20180730 12:55:48<+discordbot> but not TOO unique 20180730 12:57:02<+discordbot> i was planning on playing Legend of the Invincibles but its a bit too long from what ive seen 20180730 12:57:35<+discordbot> so now im focusing more on finishing IFTU (couldnt finish it back on 1.12 due to running out of strong units which i needed to beat a scenario since the enemy was too powerful in that scenario, fuckin shaxtals) 20180730 12:57:49<+discordbot> and other campaigns 20180730 13:25:16-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 13:30:22<+discordbot> I think it depends whether you're more interested in gameplay or story For story, Genesis is one of the best I've seen (although the gameplay is also very good) LotI is super fun if you enjoy collecting items and building super-units, the length wouldn't be an issue for you Also personally I'd recommend Talentless Mage if you're looking for a humor campaign that doesn't take itself seriously, if that gets ported to 1.14 20180730 13:38:12-!- namad8 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-158-242.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 13:40:02-!- namad7 [aaaaa@pool-100-6-158-242.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180730 13:42:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180730 13:47:40<+discordbot> ah 20180730 13:47:43<+discordbot> i want good story 20180730 13:47:46<+discordbot> and decent gameplay 20180730 14:15:18<+discordbot> @Konrad2 THanks a bunch for testing the addon!! Yes 'Cello is correct though it's a bit old fashioned to include the apostrophe there. the full name of the instrument is violoncello but that's too long and everybody's too lazy to say/type that 😄 20180730 14:15:38<+discordbot> and yes glockenspiel is english, it's borrowed from german! 20180730 14:15:43<+discordbot> Sorry, but I didn't, noone wanted to play with me. xD 20180730 14:16:16<+discordbot> well thanks for trying to 😛 20180730 14:19:06<+discordbot> I totally want to write a campaign about instruments fighting each other, probably only musicians would find it funny though 20180730 14:20:20<+discordbot> @VYNLT LotI. Genesis. IftU. By the Sword (not ported). Danse Macabre. A Vision Blinded. Dawn of Thunder (kinda). Inky's Quest (though it's been some time since I've played that one). Oath of Allegiance. Stormblade (not ported). Panther Lord. Swamplings. Forgotten Kingdom (unfinished and not ported). The Library of Kretmaqht. Trinity. Bad Moon Rising. The Sojournings of Grog (not ported). The Earth's Gut (not ported). Fate of a Princess 20180730 14:20:20<+discordbot> (not ported). A Song of Fire (not ported). Soldier of Wesnoth (not ported). The Black Cross of Aleron (not ported). A Beastly Tale (not ported). Rebellion of the North (not ported). Coming of the Storm (mostly completed and not ported). A new Order (not ported). Rise of the Elementalist (not ported). Hero of Irdya (not completed and not ported). Bitter Revenge (not ported). Struggle for Freedom (not ported). Story of the Wose. 20180730 14:20:29<+discordbot> Time to go the 1.10 addons. xD 20180730 14:23:58<+discordbot> The Roar of the Woses (not ported). The Settlers of Light (only one very promising scenario and not ported). To Lands Unknown (oops xD). Ice Age Fun (not ported). Saving Elensefar (not ported). Grnk the Mighty (oops again). Fall of Knightmare (not ported). 20180730 14:24:22<+discordbot> Disclaimer, I can only choose from Campaigns I've played myself and which I somewhat remember. xD 20180730 14:25:13<+discordbot> wow 20180730 14:25:14<+discordbot> a lot arent ported 20180730 14:25:37<+discordbot> i played Soldier of Wesnoth and A New Order on 1.12 20180730 14:25:49<+discordbot> and ATS (though shadow will port that one at some point like she did with IFTU) 20180730 14:26:27<+discordbot> The Portals (totally not ported). A Gryphon's Tale (not ported). Adventures of Knighthood (not ported yet). Journey to the East (not ported). The eight of Cembulad (not ported). 20180730 14:26:34<+discordbot> There are way more. 20180730 14:26:51<+discordbot> I just can't remember them all. 20180730 14:27:02<+discordbot> the story is good in those, right? 20180730 14:27:03<+discordbot> like, really good 20180730 14:27:08<+discordbot> Sceptre of Life (not ported). 20180730 14:27:13<+discordbot> I liked the story. 20180730 14:27:20<+discordbot> No idea if you'd enjoy it though. xD 20180730 14:27:44<+discordbot> i think i would like something that focuses on characters 20180730 14:27:50<+discordbot> like, development, well-written characters 20180730 14:27:53<+discordbot> stuff like that 20180730 14:28:19<+discordbot> Genesis then. 20180730 14:28:40<+discordbot> Anyway, starting with 1.10 I remember less and less campaigns. 20180730 14:28:48<+discordbot> That stuff is old. 20180730 14:28:59<+discordbot> i already know about Genesis 20180730 14:29:01<+discordbot> i did play it 20180730 14:30:27<+discordbot> I guess, Danse Macabre maybe and Dawn of Thunder. Panther Lord and expecially Swamplings. And To Lands Unknown. 20180730 14:30:40<+discordbot> Probably LotI too, and the prequel, maybe? 20180730 14:30:45<+discordbot> mk 20180730 14:30:51<+discordbot> whats the prequel to LOTL? 20180730 14:31:26<+discordbot> Affably Evil 20180730 14:31:28<+discordbot> ah 20180730 14:31:35<+discordbot> i know it has some campaigns related to it 20180730 14:31:37<+discordbot> i just didnt know the order 20180730 14:31:44<+discordbot> in which order do i play the LOTI series? 20180730 14:32:02<+discordbot> Theoretically random. 20180730 14:32:05<+discordbot> xD 20180730 14:32:17<+discordbot> chronologically 20180730 14:32:48<+discordbot> Affably Evil is the prequel, LotI is the main story, The Beautiful Child is kinda a side story and Kill the King is almost unrelated. 20180730 14:32:53<+discordbot> k 20180730 14:33:32<+discordbot> TBC is a sidestory for LotI part 2, but is has pretty much zero implications for LotI. 20180730 14:33:56<+discordbot> sidestory as in,...takes place during part 2? 20180730 14:34:15<+discordbot> Err...you could say so? 20180730 14:34:18<+discordbot> k 20180730 14:34:26<+discordbot> so the only important one is Affiably evil 20180730 14:34:39<+discordbot> Maybe. 20180730 14:34:41<+discordbot> *affably 20180730 14:34:44<+discordbot> k 20180730 14:49:41<+discordbot> While we're on the subject, any recommended campaigns for drakes or khalifate? 20180730 15:00:56-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.137.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20180730 15:08:18<+discordbot> OathOfAllegiance seems promising 20180730 15:23:26<+discordbot> (Dunefolk) 20180730 15:23:40<+discordbot> Are you asking for 1.14? 20180730 15:31:48<+discordbot> Yes 20180730 15:35:13-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20180730 15:38:45<+discordbot> There is no Choice for Drakes. 20180730 15:39:05<+discordbot> A fiery Birth is the only Drake campaign on 1.14. right now. 20180730 15:40:33<+discordbot> For Dunefolk you can choose between: Oath of Allegiance Wrath of the Lich Lords The Young Khan 20180730 15:40:35<+discordbot> weren't there two? 20180730 15:40:46<+discordbot> Oops. Forgot two drake campaigns acutally. xD 20180730 15:40:56<+discordbot> Ashen Hearts and Flight for Freedom. 20180730 15:41:52<+discordbot> I haven't really played any of those yet, so no advice there. 20180730 15:42:20<+discordbot> I remember a few other draken/dunefolk campaigns for 1.1.16 20180730 15:42:30<+discordbot> *1.16 20180730 15:42:40<+discordbot> For Drakes, this forum post has a list https://r.wesnoth.org/p631256 20180730 15:42:41<+discordbot> We are not even on 1.15 yet. ._. 20180730 15:42:51<+discordbot> oh 20180730 15:43:28<+discordbot> okay sorry 20180730 16:23:38<+discordbot> wait i meant 1.12 20180730 16:23:47<+discordbot> i'm just really tired 20180730 16:27:42<+discordbot> at what point do you guys think a scenario becomes excessive in terms of turns 20180730 16:27:47<+discordbot> over 40 for me 20180730 16:29:39<+discordbot> 120 20180730 16:30:13<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180730 16:30:15<+discordbot> really? 20180730 16:30:22<+discordbot> Looking at LotI there. xD 20180730 16:30:33<+discordbot> Especially the old LotI without turn limit. 20180730 16:38:12<+discordbot> IMO 40 is already a big battle, for Wesnoth's standard. It can be longer on dungeon crawlers or RPG-like scenarios 20180730 16:39:06<+discordbot> of course, it can be indefinitely long, if you can keep it interesting 20180730 16:39:40<+discordbot> but for the standard skirmish scenario I'd say 30 is typical 20180730 16:46:15<+discordbot> @zookeeper Since Krash shouldn't be placed anywhere near Tallin, I feel like there might be something else going on, and that just adding find_vacant=yes isn't going to fix everything. @Hejnewar Can you make a bug report? 20180730 16:49:22<+discordbot> @sigurdfd Well he was placed near Tallin by accident at the end of scenarion first time, then i did nothing and just used command, and third time he was dead and everything was ok. 20180730 16:49:43<+discordbot> what scenario? 20180730 16:49:54<+discordbot> Eastern Flag. 20180730 16:52:58<+discordbot> I was thinking about checking it better but i didnt have time to do that. 20180730 16:53:44<+discordbot> I don't understand what you mean by 'just used command' 20180730 16:54:16<+discordbot> :debug -> next_scenario 20180730 16:54:35<+discordbot> or, by placed near Tallin by accident at the end of the scenario first time 20180730 16:55:40<+discordbot> You said that Krach shouldnt be placed near Tallin and he was in my game. 20180730 16:57:28<+discordbot> Did you do anything with debug commands regarding Krash prior to that? 20180730 16:57:36<+discordbot> that scenario 20180730 16:58:13-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 16:59:33<+discordbot> No. In fact I did not do anything with him to a point where he was still lvl 1 in that scenario. 20180730 16:59:43<+discordbot> ok 20180730 17:00:09<+discordbot> was krash on side 7 at the end of your playing the previous scenario 10a_Stolen_Gold? 20180730 17:01:13-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 17:04:05<+discordbot> No. 20180730 17:05:38<+discordbot> I just loaded end of scenario 9 and now i see what is going on. 20180730 17:07:17<+discordbot> Krach should have fly away and bring back some drakes. 20180730 17:07:49<+discordbot> That didn't happen in 10a_Stolen_Gold for you? 20180730 17:09:12<+discordbot> Is there a b) version ? Well it didnt i didnt even know it should happen. 20180730 17:09:53<+discordbot> ok. that might mean there was some branching possibily I missed depending on who is alive and who isn't 20180730 17:10:17<+discordbot> the 'b' is a unfinshed branch that has no impact on what's going on here 20180730 17:12:37<+discordbot> Was Krash auto recalled for you at the start of 10a_Stolen_Gold? 20180730 17:14:25<+discordbot> Sigurd are you working towards mainlining a drake campaign? 20180730 17:15:04<+discordbot> yes 20180730 17:15:22<+discordbot> Don't suppose there's anyway I could help? 20180730 17:16:21<+discordbot> Then no. Now yes. 20180730 17:16:22<+discordbot> Can't think of anything at the moment, but possibly some point down the road 20180730 17:18:41<+discordbot> I think whatever caused him not to be auto-recalled at the start of S10 is what caused the bug. 20180730 17:20:19<+discordbot> I have massive auto recall. Around 10 units. 20180730 17:21:19<+discordbot> that's what it should be if you have everyone alive when you reach S10_stolen gold 20180730 17:23:01<+discordbot> Hmm if loyal pessant who died in S1 and i was granted another one in S2 could have any impact on this? 20180730 17:23:37<+discordbot> shoudn't 20180730 17:27:38< Soliton> perhaps you're doing something different now? like loading from a start-of-scenario save vs progressing to the next scenario. 20180730 17:32:35-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20180730 17:32:40<+discordbot> @Hejnewar Thanks for helping me with this. I think there's enough for me to handle it if it isn't a random glitch. I'll probably add the find_vacant key just as saftey to prevent any future overwrites of Tallin. 20180730 17:35:37<+discordbot> @Soliton Now i used next_level command. Vs Progresing. @sigurdfd No problem, I like to help if i can. 20180730 17:53:18<+discordbot> hmm looks like skyone was last on the forums in November 2016. Wonder if he's still around. I think I'll try PMing him to ask about porting his campaigns to 1.14 20180730 17:53:27<+discordbot> i really like brave wings especially 20180730 17:56:45<+discordbot> any other older campaigns that people want to see ported to 1.14? (where the author doesn't already have plans to do so) I could give it a try 😃 20180730 18:00:28-!- Guest87913 [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 18:01:45-!- Guest87913 [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180730 18:16:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 18:16:41-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 18:37:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180730 18:37:17-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 18:40:00-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 18:51:07<+discordbot> you could help me with ANO 😂 20180730 19:31:24<+discordbot> I'm still waiting so I can continue the IftU line 20180730 19:31:25<+discordbot> Lmaooo 20180730 19:35:29<+discordbot> you mean AtS? 20180730 20:01:54<+discordbot> @Yumi Look at my list, any if those who are not ported. xD 20180730 20:02:13<+discordbot> wha 20180730 20:03:37<+discordbot> @VYNLT LotI. Genesis. IftU. By the Sword (not ported). Danse Macabre. A Vision Blinded. Dawn of Thunder (kinda). Inky's Quest (though it's been some time since I've played that one). Oath of Allegiance. Stormblade (not ported). Panther Lord. Swamplings. Forgotten Kingdom (unfinished and not ported). The Library of Kretmaqht. Trinity. Bad Moon Rising. The Sojournings of Grog (not ported). The Earth's Gut (not ported). Fate of a Princess 20180730 20:03:37<+discordbot> (not ported). A Song of Fire (not ported). Soldier of Wesnoth (not ported). The Black Cross of Aleron (not ported). A Beastly Tale (not ported). Rebellion of the North (not ported). Coming of the Storm (mostly completed and not ported). A new Order (not ported). Rise of the Elementalist (not ported). Hero of Irdya (not completed and not ported). Bitter Revenge (not ported). Struggle for Freedom (not ported). Story of the Wose. The Roar of the 20180730 20:03:38<+discordbot> Woses (not ported). The Settlers of Light (only one very promising scenario and not ported). To Lands Unknown (oops xD). Ice Age Fun (not ported). Saving Elensefar (not ported). Grnk the Mighty (oops again). Fall of Knightmare (not ported). The Portals (totally not ported). A Gryphon's Tale (not ported). Adventures of Knighthood (not ported yet). Journey to the East (not ported). The eight of Cembulad (not ported). Sceptre of Life (not ported). 20180730 20:05:00<+discordbot> Some of those are already getting ported though. 20180730 20:05:18<+discordbot> wait but what do you want me to do o_o 20180730 20:05:25<+discordbot> All? 20180730 20:05:37<+discordbot> ??? 20180730 20:05:42<+discordbot> All of them. 20180730 20:05:43<+discordbot> XD 20180730 20:05:48<+discordbot> port all of them? 20180730 20:05:49<+discordbot> LOL 20180730 20:06:02<+discordbot> You can do the thing! XD 20180730 20:06:09<+discordbot> I believe in you. :D 20180730 20:06:10<+discordbot> I'm only going to do ANO probably 20180730 20:06:15<+discordbot> :c 20180730 20:06:49<+discordbot> And yeah, I actually did mean @Inky , but don't tell anyone. 20180730 20:09:08<+discordbot> Yes 20180730 20:09:13<+discordbot> I meant AtS 20180730 20:10:24<+discordbot> Hmm, War of the Dragon is not on your list, despite I never anounced that I ported it (halfway) How did you figure that out ^^ 20180730 20:11:00<+discordbot> Because I never enjoyed it that much. :/ 20180730 20:11:09<+discordbot> 😦 20180730 20:12:20<+discordbot> Souuuuthhh guaaaardddd 20180730 20:13:07<+discordbot> that's a pretty good list. a lot of those are unfinished though, not sure if it's worth it to port something unfinished 20180730 20:13:25<+discordbot> also, I love how Konrad2 thinks Yumi and I are the same person 😄 20180730 20:14:03<+discordbot> I'm working on Souuuuuth Guaaard btw 20180730 20:14:49<+discordbot> :< 20180730 20:15:16<+discordbot> what if we are just alter egos of each other 20180730 20:15:37<+discordbot> ooh are we ARE the same person using 2 usernames 😄 20180730 20:16:02<+discordbot> :thonk: 20180730 20:16:52<+discordbot> talking to myself is fun! 😉 20180730 20:17:47<+discordbot> maybe we are just different tentacles of the same big squid 20180730 20:17:51<+discordbot> 🦑 20180730 20:18:27<+discordbot> shhh don't let everybody know 🦑 20180730 20:34:40<+discordbot> I don't think you are the same person! xD 20180730 20:35:09<+discordbot> I sometimes just wire names wrong. 20180730 20:35:16<+discordbot> :( 20180730 20:36:06<+discordbot> I know you don't, I was just joking 20180730 20:36:17<+discordbot> @Inky Actually most of them are finished. 20180730 20:36:24<+discordbot> Close, but most. 20180730 20:37:51<+discordbot> How about doing ASoF, FaoP, SoW, SfF? :) 20180730 20:37:58<+discordbot> Hello 20180730 20:38:01<+discordbot> They are complete, right? 20180730 20:39:28<+discordbot> a quick test shows that ANO at least can be loaded directly into 1.14.0 20180730 20:40:11<+discordbot> hmm rogul (author of struggle for freedom) doesn't seem to be around anymore (last logged in in 2016) but revansurik appears to still be around 20180730 20:40:46<+discordbot> You can ask revansurik if he'd be fine with you porting some of them? ^^ 20180730 20:42:01<+discordbot> those are major complicated campaigns, i'm not sure if I'm capable of that! But I guess I could ask whether he plans to port them himself 20180730 20:42:58<+discordbot> his campaigns are just plain awesome, they should definitely be on 1.14 20180730 20:44:07<+discordbot> I already PMed SkyOne, I will PM rogul and revansurik and ask about whether they have plans to port their campaigns 20180730 20:48:45<+discordbot> Ooo 20180730 20:48:51<+discordbot> What's there to work on South Guard 20180730 20:49:00<+discordbot> It's a good campaign. 20180730 20:49:05<+discordbot> It didn't get dragged out or boring 20180730 20:49:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 20:52:20< zookeeper> @sigurdfd i don't know where he should be, i don't even know what the map is like. i'm just commenting on what the code is doing, which is very straightforward. 20180730 20:58:56-!- meowitskaitlin [uid175641@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mczvtwqmohqjnkzl] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 20:59:01< zookeeper> oh, humm. or maybe not. i misread the relevant commits a bit. 20180730 21:00:33-!- meowitskaitlin [uid175641@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mczvtwqmohqjnkzl] has quit [Quit: wesnoth] 20180730 21:00:44-!- meowitskaitlin [uid175641@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtcjzoognupyhmaf] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 21:00:54-!- meowitskaitlin [uid175641@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtcjzoognupyhmaf] has left #wesnoth [] 20180730 21:02:40< zookeeper> i thought what the code ended up doing was store side 1's starting loc and unstore him there, but that wasn't the case. unless [store_starting_location] somehow fails for no_leader=yes sides or something (which could be worth checking). 20180730 21:09:51<+discordbot> @Hyperwolf72 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+TSG&type=Issues 20180730 21:11:20< zookeeper> (nope, store_starting_location] seems to work just fine on leaderless sides too) 20180730 21:13:04-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180730 21:35:45<+discordbot> Wait why was I tagged 20180730 21:36:15<+discordbot> Oh yeah but like 20180730 21:36:20<+discordbot> Some of those issues I don't mind 20180730 21:36:26<+discordbot> "issues" 20180730 21:36:28<+discordbot> Suggestions 20180730 21:36:38<+discordbot> I agree with the anticlimactic death or whatevee but 20180730 21:36:47<+discordbot> I enjoy less fighting than most 20180730 21:36:51<+discordbot> More story person 20180730 21:46:26<+discordbot> I looked mostly at edge cases… If you do untypical things, such as defeting the lich before finding the bandit leader 20180730 21:54:00<+discordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/473609233129275413/magic-servant.png 20180730 21:54:43<+discordbot> I saw in some add-on this unit in light blue instead, and shimmering. Does anybody know which one? 20180730 21:56:00<+discordbot> Frozen Souls 20180730 21:56:05<+discordbot> Free Saurians 20180730 21:56:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180730 21:56:11<+discordbot> Gotta find the Era first. 20180730 21:56:19<+discordbot> It has a Saurian Battle Tutor 20180730 21:57:11<+discordbot> They seem to be not in ageless. I think it was sx, but I couldn't fin it there either 20180730 21:57:51<+discordbot> Are you sure? 20180730 21:57:58<+discordbot> I'm very sure they are in ageless. 20180730 21:58:05< Ravana_> EoS 20180730 21:58:08<+discordbot> About 99,9999% 20180730 21:58:12<+discordbot> Era of Strife? 20180730 21:58:52<+discordbot> Maybe you overlooked them because they are not recruitable? 20180730 21:59:18<+discordbot> ahhhh, that may be… 20180730 22:01:09<+discordbot> They are created when a Saurian Soulmage kills an enemy with his ranged attack. 20180730 22:01:21<+discordbot> I really like that. 20180730 22:01:43<+discordbot> So yeah. Ageless -> EOS -> Saurians -> Frozen Soul 20180730 22:02:16<+discordbot> Thanks 20180730 22:02:37<+discordbot> All hail ravana for maintaing Ageless! 20180730 22:03:03<+discordbot> *maintaining 20180730 22:03:47<+discordbot> Revansurik used EOS for Aria the Dragonslayer, right? 20180730 22:03:59<+discordbot> At least I do remember the Gnolls... 20180730 22:06:02<+discordbot> *Minotaurs 20180730 22:06:03<+discordbot> xD 20180730 22:12:35<+discordbot> ravana: Would this (https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/3392) mean that you change it for the Saurians in Ageless as well? 20180730 22:13:03< Ravana_> no 20180730 22:13:39< Ravana_> if you are interested, you may do it, but I won't personally do something like that 20180730 22:15:23<+discordbot> I am interested and I hopefully will do it. 20180730 22:19:22<+discordbot> Why do people write such code https://github.com/ProditorMagnus/Ageless-for-1-14/blob/master/units/EOS_units/saurians/Frozen_Soul.cfg#L52_L119 😳 20180730 22:26:54<+discordbot> I have no idea what this does. 20180730 22:32:37<+discordbot> It diesplays that image for 4 seconds, with different opacity: at the start it's displayed with 80% opacity, it goes in the first 1,4 seconds down to 40% opacity… and so on. It's a standing animation, so the 4 sec cyclus is repeated endlessly 20180730 22:40:44<+discordbot> So, is this a good or a bad way to code it? 20180730 22:44:54<+discordbot> It's good, but instead of the 16 0,25 sec frames one could have used just one 4sec frame. 20180730 22:46:33<+discordbot> How would one write that? 20180730 22:46:43<+discordbot> And was that possible when it was first coded? 20180730 22:47:52<+discordbot> One would just set duration to 4000. I'm not long around to know how it was 10 years ago... but I would guess so 20180730 22:48:37<+discordbot> Am I being reasonable when I put someone on my block list for leaving at turn 4 in a MP game? 20180730 22:52:31<+discordbot> Maybe? 20180730 22:57:24<+discordbot> Uh. Very convincing. xD 20180730 22:59:15<+discordbot> @shadowm Can I ask some stuff about IftU and implementing things? 20180730 22:59:31<+discordbot> Sure 20180730 23:01:06<+discordbot> Okay. Looking at this for background: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/3176 How hard would it be to make IftU Sc3 check wheter the player completed DiD and use some of the undead units the player had as guardian units for Mal Keshar in that scenario? 20180730 23:01:43-!- Appleman1234 [~quassel@121.222.137.147] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 23:04:55<+discordbot> It's impossible without modifying DiD. 20180730 23:05:00<+discordbot> Aw. 20180730 23:05:07<+discordbot> Thanks for the answer though. 20180730 23:06:10<+discordbot> DiD would have to store the required information using the persistent store. 20180730 23:06:29<+discordbot> And then other campaigns (not just IftU) would be able to access it. 20180730 23:10:23<+discordbot> That sounds actually cool. That way you could tie campaigns more together. 20180730 23:15:02-!- gallaecio [~quassel@89.96.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Converse confortabelmente. En calquera parte.] 20180730 23:18:49<+discordbot> hm, so that means that now Malin can turn Necromancers into liches like the protagonists of Secrets of the Ancients can? 20180730 23:18:54<+discordbot> in Endless Night 20180730 23:19:34<+discordbot> (i havent replayed DiD since i already completed it on 1.12) 20180730 23:19:41<+discordbot> Once the PR is merged and wesnoth is updated. 20180730 23:19:59<+discordbot> And only after endless night 2. 20180730 23:20:04<+discordbot> ah, well, if thats a thing, how about giving Malin a few lich guardians in IFTU? 20180730 23:20:14<+discordbot> maybe not right next to him but in parts of the dungeons 20180730 23:20:15<+discordbot> Yeah sure, screw the player. xD 20180730 23:20:31<+discordbot> (since i do feel like that if they'd be too close to him, it would be really hard to beat Malin) 20180730 23:20:32<+discordbot> That PR has been sitting there for a while. 20180730 23:20:48<+discordbot> Much like another campaign-related PR. 20180730 23:23:10<+discordbot> The THoT one? 20180730 23:23:14<+discordbot> Or the UtBS one? 20180730 23:23:26<+discordbot> so just to confirm, Malin can lich-i-fy players like in SOTA now? 20180730 23:23:28<+discordbot> or not? 20180730 23:23:42<+discordbot> just making sure since i didnt replay DiD (focusing on The Rise of Wesnoth and some other campaigns) 20180730 23:23:48<+discordbot> No. 20180730 23:23:53<+discordbot> k 20180730 23:24:08<+discordbot> tbh i dont see him as the type that would create liches 20180730 23:24:30<+discordbot> i think he'd focus more on braindead undead rather than liches who can still keep track of who they are 20180730 23:24:38<+discordbot> Uh. Why? 20180730 23:24:50<+discordbot> well, he just wants to be left alone and to kill orcs 20180730 23:24:58<+discordbot> It's not like he has a Ghost who is talking to him. 20180730 23:25:03<+discordbot> Who is giving him advice. 20180730 23:25:04<+discordbot> uh, actually i think he does 20180730 23:25:07<+discordbot> doesnt he? 20180730 23:25:09<+discordbot> Exactly. 20180730 23:25:18<+discordbot> Which kinda goes against your point. xd 20180730 23:25:20<+discordbot> it is a weak ghost tho 20180730 23:25:26<+discordbot> liches are way more powerful 20180730 23:25:33<+discordbot> Spectre = weak 😄 20180730 23:25:39<+discordbot> (and no im not counting promotions lol) 20180730 23:25:57<+discordbot> And you didn't talk about level of power, just about being able to think and all that. 20180730 23:26:11<+discordbot> true 20180730 23:26:21<+discordbot> but i assume a ghost wouldnt pose much of a threat to a lich 20180730 23:26:29<+discordbot> especially one who's practically ancient by IFTU standards 20180730 23:26:58<+discordbot> (well, not exactly ancient but still one thats "lived" for a long time and has a crapton of experience) 20180730 23:29:16<+discordbot> The longer they live, the more powerful they become, not only liches but every undead beeing. 20180730 23:29:50<+discordbot> wonders if this applies to the living too 20180730 23:30:04<+discordbot> Yes. 20180730 23:30:29<+discordbot> I'd argue that this applies to the undead mostly because they continue to be imbued with magic and residue magic accumulates. 20180730 23:31:34<+discordbot> For the thinking undead there would be the aspect of accumulating knowledge. 20180730 23:32:01<+discordbot> That last part is true for the living as well, but is counteracted by their life spawn. 20180730 23:32:05<+discordbot> *span 20180730 23:37:02<+discordbot> I was thinking more about ALMAs. But oh well. 20180730 23:37:49<+discordbot> "after level maximum advancement" 🤔 20180730 23:37:55<+discordbot> Yes. 20180730 23:38:08<+discordbot> (It's actually AMLA.) 20180730 23:38:30<+discordbot> Oh. Thank you. 20180730 23:39:17<+discordbot> Not "after level maximum advancements" as plural? 20180730 23:39:32<+discordbot> ... 20180730 23:39:47<+discordbot> I thought that's what AMLAs is supposed to refer to. 20180730 23:39:57<+discordbot> To distinguish it from a single AMLA. 20180730 23:40:15<+discordbot> I don't like the idea of trnsforming necromancers into liches. 20180730 23:40:50<+discordbot> the only thing is that plyers want stronger and stronger units… and there is no need to fill that desire 20180730 23:41:13<+discordbot> It makes sense with Mal Keshar having that book though. 20180730 23:41:42<+discordbot> It's also a good way to mark Mal Keshars complete understanding of the book. 20180730 23:41:59<+discordbot> Which why it's okay to let it carried away. 20180730 23:42:17<+discordbot> thanks to the book he can advance dark sorcerers to lichs – isn't that enough 20180730 23:42:42<+discordbot> some magicans may want to become a lich 20180730 23:43:07<+discordbot> and some may want to stay amond the living and become better wizards 20180730 23:43:20<+discordbot> Should his older followers be denied that chance, when nearing the end of their life? 20180730 23:43:50<+discordbot> That is after all the reason for this book. So that noone has to die. 20180730 23:44:48<+discordbot> That noone has to die musn't neccessarily be his ideal... y point is rather that this is not how things usually work in wesnoth 20180730 23:45:08<+discordbot> ..they don't? 20180730 23:45:24<+discordbot> "no one must die" 20180730 23:45:33<+discordbot> uh...what about all the orcs he wants to kill? 20180730 23:45:39<+discordbot> he's heavily racist towards orcs 20180730 23:46:23<+discordbot> units have their advancement paths, and don't switch between them. you got a loyal pikemen in TSG? Too bad, he will never become a royal guard 20180730 23:47:18<+discordbot> And usually people don't complain. It's just with the lich… 20180730 23:47:31<+discordbot> It's easier to explain why a Necromancer can become a Lich than to explain why a pikemen can become a swordsmen though? 20180730 23:48:17<+discordbot> I'm not sure. The swordsman started as Spearman too 20180730 23:48:29<+discordbot> And I did 'complain', because I thought it a lack of consistency. 20180730 23:48:39-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180730 23:52:24<+discordbot> Will you let go few years of work just to take simmilar position in the future? 20180730 23:55:57<+discordbot> If you could change a pikemen to a swordsmen, then a drop in experience would be reasonable. 20180730 23:56:06<+discordbot> Probably down to zero. 20180730 23:56:38<+discordbot> While a royal guard would become a pikemen with 0xp as well. 20180730 23:57:16<+discordbot> Necromancers/Lichs are a special case, because they do not have to unlearn something to learn something new, right? 20180730 23:59:19<+discordbot> When the Spearman switches to a sword, why is he then a level 2? 20180730 23:59:49<+discordbot> This weapon is completely different in usage --- Log closed Tue Jul 31 00:00:30 2018