--- Log opened Mon Aug 20 00:00:38 2018 20180820 00:06:38-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180820 00:14:10< irker203> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Nobun c1bc05a6e8 bugfix: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesno AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180820 00:49:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 00:49:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 01:36:08< irker203> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Jyrki Vesterinen 8fb2af13a7 WIP: implement battery status querying o AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180820 02:08:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 02:09:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 02:43:57-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 02:44:03-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 02:46:54<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm you got a PR to the website repo 20180820 02:55:26< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:1.14 e44b0387eb64 / src/font/text.cpp: clarify that pango markup is the cause https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e44b0387eb643967b265d0849f10ac743d5605fc 20180820 02:55:57< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 6998885cc1d2 / src/font/text.cpp: clarify that pango markup is the cause https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6998885cc1d2f063c02f803b1f4f7644804e9626 20180820 02:57:35<+wesdiscordbot> @sinda should e5d4247 go as well in master? 20180820 03:00:54<+wesdiscordbot> ( https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e5d42478422f5751b81d3a53cf63cecb59f726a1 ) 20180820 03:01:07<+wesdiscordbot> Yes, please. 20180820 03:01:24<+wesdiscordbot> I know it's supposed to be a dev message, but the lack of capitalization on Pango bothers me anyway. 20180820 03:03:44<+wesdiscordbot> It's actually not even a dev message… i.e. it's currently shown in the german tutorial 20180820 03:04:42<+wesdiscordbot> e5d4247 has a conflict when cherry-picking, could someone take over this, I better don't touch that code 20180820 03:07:09< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 12369a2fa490 / src/font/text.cpp: Capitalize Pango https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/12369a2fa490b87bdf44a0cee34065a03a22e8e8 20180820 03:07:50< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:1.14 81170d1c45e2 / src/font/text.cpp: Capitalize Pango https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/81170d1c45e2017fb34d2f4e9e5cf9fde0ebc627 20180820 03:18:05-!- higgins [~higgins@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180820 03:28:20-!- higgins [~higgins@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 03:40:53< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:1.14 41f10a70cb41 / po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): German translations: the usual small changes https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/41f10a70cb41783643b63382f596c3f72c074401 20180820 03:45:33-!- celmin [~celticmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The minstrel departs, to spread the music to the masses!] 20180820 03:57:56< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:1.14 dc19c8091515 / changelog.md po/wesnoth-manual/de.po: German translation: some more + changelog entry https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dc19c80915154a990975f410a711d4e06021ba2f 20180820 04:05:21<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm did you see my message aboput the website ? 20180820 04:06:03<+wesdiscordbot> Yes 20180820 04:06:19<+wesdiscordbot> okay, alright 20180820 04:07:17<+wesdiscordbot> another thing which I noticed is that the lua version numbers mentioned in thes files could be updated to 5.3.5 20180820 04:09:01<+wesdiscordbot> I'd rather change it to 5.3. 20180820 04:09:21<+wesdiscordbot> Or leave it alone since what it says is valid for version 1.14.0 and that's the version the announcement was written for. 20180820 04:10:20<+wesdiscordbot> guess 5.3 is more technically correct 20180820 04:10:42<+wesdiscordbot> the download files link to the latest version though… 20180820 04:10:46<+wesdiscordbot> (luckily) 20180820 04:11:13<+wesdiscordbot> Yes because that's a thing I started back in the 1.12 times. 20180820 04:11:21<+wesdiscordbot> the other things is that three digits sound better ^^ 20180820 04:11:34<+wesdiscordbot> pofixing the template and translations to point to the latest version instead of .0 after every release (memory permitting). 20180820 04:13:35<+wesdiscordbot> wonders if that could not be read from the other place on wesnoth.org where the downloads are listed 20180820 04:14:36<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not really sure what you're talking about. 20180820 04:15:52<+wesdiscordbot> I mean, in the release process the files are updated on the main page and someone must remember to pofix the start files 20180820 04:15:56-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180820 04:16:20<+wesdiscordbot> They are independent. 20180820 04:16:46-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 04:17:03<+wesdiscordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/12a3b973b9f357d0b1685df5b29fbcea0fefc7be 20180820 04:17:06<+wesdiscordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesmere/commit/b2587bfc17d8addb05dcb8abb46cfaf2e328964d 20180820 04:17:43<+wesdiscordbot> I said "memory permitting" because it's not rare for me to forget the pofix rule. In fact I just did for a week. 20180820 04:19:18<+wesdiscordbot> maybe there could be some kind of include from a common file for these numbers and links 20180820 04:20:15<+wesdiscordbot> If someone can come up with something like that without making the build process for either more complicated I'd be really grateful. 20180820 04:20:31<+wesdiscordbot> (And without making javascript a hard requirement for either. No, vultraz you're not allowed to provide your opinion on this point.) 20180820 04:21:32<+wesdiscordbot> the start html files are static? 20180820 04:21:38<+wesdiscordbot> Yes. 20180820 04:21:46<+wesdiscordbot> I mean, you just found that out didn't you? 20180820 04:22:00<+wesdiscordbot> I can clearly see that you regenerated them despite not needing to do so. 20180820 04:22:07<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, jsut wanted to be sure i got it right 20180820 04:22:55<+wesdiscordbot> i.e. they do load CSS from the web. I was mostly reading offline over the translation, where it did not have that 20180820 04:23:17<+wesdiscordbot> That doesn't make them non-static. 20180820 04:24:10<+wesdiscordbot> yeah. I guess we can't use CSS to show some text from somewhere else 20180820 04:24:35<+wesdiscordbot> Well, we can. 20180820 04:24:55<+wesdiscordbot> But it's a rather ugly hack and it would break certain applications. 20180820 04:25:19<+wesdiscordbot> (In particular web crawlers that do not need to load CSS or implement the full CSS specification.) 20180820 04:25:33<+wesdiscordbot> (Same goes for alternative UAs like screen readers etc.) 20180820 04:28:24< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner website:master 51ae5735e58b / start/1.14/po/de.po: German translation https://github.com/wesnoth/website/commit/51ae5735e58ba04a62dad0475e2b1e7042147b1f 20180820 04:28:26< irker203> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner website:master 0fae257436d9 / start/1.14/ (index.de.html index.en.html index.es.html index.it.html index.ja.html index.var): Generated files https://github.com/wesnoth/website/commit/0fae257436d9bcb9d7fa73ef0721991d0eb54809 20180820 04:28:27< irker203> wesnoth: Iris Morelle website:master badf20a82903 / start/1.14/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge pull request #3 from sevu/master https://github.com/wesnoth/website/commit/badf20a829039d04bcc19a043df3197e13a8a59e 20180820 04:33:05<+wesdiscordbot> …and already on the server, thanks 20180820 04:33:35< irker203> wesnoth: Iris Morelle wesnoth:1.14 e94cffdb26a4 / utils/pofix.py: pofix: Genericize the Lua version number for the 1.14 announcement https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e94cffdb26a4cd4cabb0fe5aa086283a4845a2af 20180820 04:33:36<+wesdiscordbot> …and I'm out of ideas 20180820 04:33:44< irker203> wesnoth: Iris Morelle wesnoth:master c589e3909861 / utils/pofix.py: pofix: Genericize the Lua version number for the 1.14 announcement https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c589e39098614b2180b4043db6b9faa71afe6c84 20180820 04:34:11< irker203> wesnoth: Iris Morelle website:master 5cab052cf64a / start/1.14/ (58 files in 2 dirs): announcement/1.14: pofix pass for the Lua version number https://github.com/wesnoth/website/commit/5cab052cf64a7f8eba428d730d845901b977de7a 20180820 04:35:47<+wesdiscordbot> complaining… hmm… not sure if that is that I do… at least that wasn't the plan 20180820 04:37:59-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180820 05:26:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 05:26:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 06:53:39-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 07:18:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 07:34:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 07:34:26-!- irker203 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20180820 11:20:15-!- irker435 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 11:20:15< irker435> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Iris Morelle e94cffdb26 pofix: Genericize the Lua version number AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180820 13:33:49< irker435> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Iris Morelle c589e39098 pofix: Genericize the Lua version number AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180820 14:26:49-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 14:26:55-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 14:43:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20180820 14:48:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 14:48:46-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 15:48:56<+wesdiscordbot> @hrubymar10 I figured out why battery status reading isn't working on GNU/Linux. 20180820 15:49:27<+wesdiscordbot> The UPower service is in the system bus. Meanwhile, notifications (the only thing that has used D-Bus until now) are in the session bus. 20180820 15:50:12<+wesdiscordbot> (Sigh. D-Bus is severely overengineered, resulting in obscure issues like this.) 20180820 16:04:50-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 16:35:13-!- irker435 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20180820 16:37:53-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 16:39:46<+wesdiscordbot> Finally managed to read the type of power source from UPower. 20180820 16:40:00<+wesdiscordbot> Although I'm quite disappointed to see that it's "unknown" (0). 20180820 16:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> This is a desktop PC. It's supposed to be "line power" (1). 20180820 16:40:35<+wesdiscordbot> I still question the usefulness of this feature 20180820 16:40:53<+wesdiscordbot> I've never heard of a game that displays battery. 20180820 16:41:12<+wesdiscordbot> Neither. 20180820 16:41:23<+wesdiscordbot> Hearthstone displays battery. That helps me knowing when I'm running out of battery. 20180820 16:43:05<+wesdiscordbot> As one can expect, the battery indicator, visible in iOS, is hidden on the macOS version. 20180820 16:44:10<+wesdiscordbot> most people plug their machines in while gaming anyway 20180820 16:44:16<+wesdiscordbot> Better put. 20180820 16:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> As one can expect, the battery indicator, visible when using the iOS version, is hidden on the macOS version. 20180820 16:44:41<+wesdiscordbot> and I'm pretty sure the OS will notify you with a popup visible in-game if your battery is low 20180820 16:45:31<+wesdiscordbot> or you can alt-tab out 20180820 16:46:04<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think adding yet another indicator and another thing to maintain, especially when it seems like it's hard to get right, is worth it. 20180820 16:47:04<+wesdiscordbot> The popup note is right for iOS. In iOS one can also swipe down a dashboard that includes the battery indicator, at any time. 20180820 16:47:39<+wesdiscordbot> It includes the day clock too. 20180820 16:47:48<+wesdiscordbot> 😁 20180820 16:48:02<+wesdiscordbot> well...yes? 20180820 16:48:13<+wesdiscordbot> your point? 20180820 16:51:14< galegosimpatico> Basically, that your point is right. 20180820 16:51:55<+wesdiscordbot> Fixes committed: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/3441/commits/ae350599279e11c4f9d8486d14d1b7a8347db1b2 20180820 17:00:38<+wesdiscordbot> We're talking about PC/Mac at any rate. 20180820 17:06:06<+wesdiscordbot> On Linux with SDL 1 it was a problem, as it did use some kind of full screen which didn't allow popups, tabbing out or switchign workspaces 20180820 17:14:41<+wesdiscordbot> Real fullscreen. 20180820 17:14:58<+wesdiscordbot> These days the game is essentially a borderless fullscreen window. 20180820 17:16:38<+wesdiscordbot> The thing about thise "real fullscreen" is that on winfdows your game would minimizen and you get a popup when running low of power… 20180820 17:18:13<+wesdiscordbot> We no longer use “real” full screen 20180820 17:18:22<+wesdiscordbot> Yes that's what I said. 20180820 17:18:33<+wesdiscordbot> We use fake fullscreen as shadowm said which is a lot more performant 20180820 17:18:46<+wesdiscordbot> Alt tabbing is extremely easy now 20180820 17:19:05<+wesdiscordbot> The behaviour of (real) fullscreen windows minimizing is Windows-specific. 20180820 17:19:13<+wesdiscordbot> I remember I found it really annoying back when I played games in 2003. 20180820 17:19:35<+wesdiscordbot> Because sometimes the printer software or whatever would want to display an info window. 20180820 17:19:41<+wesdiscordbot> There’s also the massive lag that might happen when tabbing out of “real” fullscreen apps 20180820 17:19:48<+wesdiscordbot> And sometimes the game would crash. 20180820 17:20:04<+wesdiscordbot> (It was primarily AOE2.) 20180820 17:24:56<+wesdiscordbot> Also nowadays system notifications don’t minimize real fullscreen apps 20180820 17:24:58<+wesdiscordbot> But still 20180820 18:27:23< galegosimpatico> There is a bug by which an addon era contents vanish from iWesnoth, but the era is still listed as installed at the add-on manager. I don't have the steps to reproduce yet, but it cures easy by uninstalling and installing the add-on. 20180820 18:30:14-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20180820 18:30:42-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 18:37:49<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive I'll be out for 3 days so if is battery_info PR completed then merge it please. Thanks 20180820 19:16:51<+wesdiscordbot> I do not think it should be merged. 20180820 19:51:45<+wesdiscordbot> because you don't see point or why? 🤔 20180820 20:11:20<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think it's a necessary feature. 20180820 20:12:18-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 20:14:04<+wesdiscordbot> At all 20180820 20:19:09<+wesdiscordbot> @galegosimpatico I believe it's the notorious (addon) cache issue that has been around since 1.10. Might be worked around by installing or removing any other add-on. 20180820 20:19:35<+wesdiscordbot> Will also enable the "clear cache" button on iOS. 20180820 20:21:37< galegosimpatico> Oh, I'll have that in mind. :) 20180820 20:22:20< galegosimpatico> You shouldn't add any feature for which there is no consensus. 20180820 20:24:17<+wesdiscordbot> Huh? 20180820 20:25:10< galegosimpatico> I interleaved conversations. Sorry. :sweat_smile: 20180820 20:25:48< galegosimpatico> Sucks to have your work excluded or limited to a restricted environment, but I think it sucks more to have your opinion ignored? 20180820 21:29:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180820 21:43:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 21:43:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 22:09:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 22:09:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 22:35:19<+wesdiscordbot> I personally agree, though I have no idea what are you talking about. Are you changing a job? I would look for one that has neither of these problems 😃 20180820 22:42:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 22:42:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 22:44:37-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180820 22:44:47< galegosimpatico> I was talking about here. 20180820 22:46:10< galegosimpatico> I'm happy to discuss jobs, but won't log it at /irclogs. :P 20180820 22:58:02-!- irker137 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 22:58:02< irker137> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Jyrki Vesterinen 72d8eedb75 Fix battery status querying on GNU/Linux AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180820 23:52:26-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180820 23:53:41-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 23:53:50-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180820 23:54:22-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Tue Aug 21 00:00:39 2018