--- Log opened Wed Aug 22 00:00:40 2018 20180822 00:46:24-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 01:19:19-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 01:19:25-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 01:21:33-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x2f18687.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180822 02:02:57<+wesdiscordbot> Oh okay. I was trying to pick up on the conversation but couldn't figure out where it was going 20180822 02:56:54-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 02:57:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 03:41:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 03:41:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 04:00:06-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20180822 04:00:57-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 04:00:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Client Quit] 20180822 06:16:51-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 06:31:47-!- Haldrik [~Haldrik@unaffiliated/haldrik] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 06:37:45-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 06:45:44<+wesdiscordbot> https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410#announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 Definitely some interesting news :D And more importantly to me, it'd count as a Linux sale, which previously was one of the reasons I avoided Wine. 20180822 07:11:26<+wesdiscordbot> Wow 20180822 07:24:25-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Steam for Linux. 20180822 16:52:12<+wesdiscordbot> I don't believe it. 20180822 16:54:23-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 16:55:57<+wesdiscordbot> Steam for Linux isn't new. 20180822 16:56:25<+wesdiscordbot> What is new is Valve's technology (such as their fork of Wine) to get Windows-only games running better on GNU/Linux. 20180822 16:56:30-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 16:57:22<+wesdiscordbot> Oooh 20180822 16:58:39<+wesdiscordbot> Wow they included Mount & Blade and Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword but they didn't include Warband??? 20180822 16:58:55<+wesdiscordbot> valve for some reason made own fork of wine with totally different name 20180822 16:58:58<+wesdiscordbot> Warband is by far the most popular M&B 20180822 16:59:05<+wesdiscordbot> so confusing 20180822 16:59:31<+wesdiscordbot> afaict it's only difference from mainline wine is inclusion of dxvk 20180822 17:00:00<+wesdiscordbot> direct X to vulkan translation seems to be working out really well 20180822 17:00:26<+wesdiscordbot> d3d12 -> vulkan is already in wine mainline 20180822 17:00:45<+wesdiscordbot> Also use of Esync. 20180822 17:00:47<+wesdiscordbot> there is also project that implements d3d9 to vulkan 20180822 17:01:33<+wesdiscordbot> and projects that map d3d10 to d3d11 and d3d8 to d3d9 20180822 17:02:14<+wesdiscordbot> so chances are they'll have working mappings for all dx versions in widespread use 20180822 17:03:25-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180822 17:03:40<+wesdiscordbot> For mapping old graphics APIs to DX11, I have been using dgVoodoo2: http://www.dege.freeweb.hu/ 20180822 17:18:19-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 17:20:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 17:25:25-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: galegosimpatico, dobson`, Falcon- 20180822 17:29:30-!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 17:37:42-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 18:33:05-!- iwaim [~iwaim@2001:470:fd5c:2002:603a:105:9960:1aa7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20180822 18:33:39-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 19:15:29-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 19:28:20-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 20:23:44<+wesdiscordbot> Is there any chance that the add-on server will be overloaded at some point? 20180822 20:30:08-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6DFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 20:34:16< aeth> Mount & Blade Warband runs natively on Linux. https://store.steampowered.com/app/48700/Mount__Blade_Warband/ 20180822 20:34:45-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 20:35:16< aeth> The Steam logo there is actually the SteamOS logo, confusingly enough. I think they used to have a Tux. 20180822 20:37:00-!- Falcon` [falcon@ip248.ip-5-196-244.eu] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 20:46:53-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 21:08:58-!- sevu [~sevu@p548557AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 21:17:47-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 21:17:54-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 21:26:48-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 21:34:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 21:41:20-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180822 21:44:12<+wesdiscordbot> Konrad, this it not my main expertise, but logic states that it probably will be, though such a thing would probably take a very veeeerrrrryyy long time. I mean, those add-ons have to be stored somewhere, right? And I'm sure the Wesnoth people have a storage solution that has a fairly decent capacity. 20180822 21:44:22<+wesdiscordbot> But this is not my main expertise. 20180822 21:44:29<+wesdiscordbot> I'm mostly guessing. 20180822 21:44:47<+wesdiscordbot> But online storage is either finite or extremely expensive. 20180822 21:45:03<+wesdiscordbot> And there is no hard drive that is infinite, either. 20180822 21:45:25<+wesdiscordbot> So yes, there is a chance the add-on server could get overloaded, but it's highly unlikely. 20180822 21:46:11<+wesdiscordbot> It would just take an extremely long time. 20180822 21:47:11<+wesdiscordbot> So even if you tried, putting together hundreds of 95 MB add-ons would be quite difficult. 20180822 21:47:26<+wesdiscordbot> It's just not worth it. 20180822 21:47:39-!- Haldrik [~Haldrik@unaffiliated/haldrik] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 21:47:57<+wesdiscordbot> On that note, if it isn't worth it, then, the short answer is that no. It is possible to overload the server... 20180822 21:48:11<+wesdiscordbot> But it would be ridiculously difficult. 20180822 21:48:40<+wesdiscordbot> ------------------------------------------------------ 20180822 21:48:50<+wesdiscordbot> And going on the steam for Linux discussion... 20180822 21:49:34<+wesdiscordbot> This might actually turn out interesting. 20180822 22:11:21-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180822 22:36:12<+wesdiscordbot> Oh man 20180822 22:36:32<+wesdiscordbot> Never did I think that one day I would find a place where other people love Battle for Wesnoth ❤ 20180822 22:39:32<+wesdiscordbot> Ohhh my bad! I feel dumb xD I was just like surprised that they didnt include warband, but since it is native on linux, that makes sense!! xP 20180822 22:39:44<+wesdiscordbot> Awwww @Smiley J. Pajamas thats so great =))) enjoy your stay hehe :) 20180822 22:39:57<+wesdiscordbot> I've played this ever since I was barely able to read my dude 20180822 22:40:05<+wesdiscordbot> Same!! 20180822 22:40:13<+wesdiscordbot> main source of vocabulary for me 20180822 22:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> I was so young when I first played this, I had to ask my oldest brother to install it for me because I didn't know how to even work with the internet 20180822 22:40:43<+wesdiscordbot> Man, I grew up with this, I fucking love it. 20180822 22:45:44<+wesdiscordbot> Some of my most wholesome, greatest memories with my oldest brother 20180822 22:45:52<+wesdiscordbot> Were playing Battle of Wesnoth against him 20180822 22:46:04<+wesdiscordbot> And getting my ass beat because he's twelve years older than me 20180822 22:53:10<+wesdiscordbot> awww thats sweet :) 20180822 22:53:17<+wesdiscordbot> XD don't worry about him beating you! 20180822 22:53:28<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20180822 22:53:28<+wesdiscordbot> I have played for over 10 years and im still beginner territory 20180822 22:53:30<+wesdiscordbot> He can't beat me now 20180822 22:53:33<+wesdiscordbot> ahh :p 20180822 22:53:40<+wesdiscordbot> Not to brag but 20180822 22:53:42<+wesdiscordbot> Hehe 20180822 22:53:48<+wesdiscordbot> I beat under the burning suns on hardest difficulty 20180822 22:54:01<+wesdiscordbot> Under the burning suns is fucking brutal 20180822 22:54:07<+wesdiscordbot> o.O heavy casualties? 20180822 22:54:12<+wesdiscordbot> no 20180822 22:54:14<+wesdiscordbot> I have this 20180822 22:54:16<+wesdiscordbot> HORRIBLE 20180822 22:54:18<+wesdiscordbot> addiction 20180822 22:54:25<+wesdiscordbot> savefiling? xPP 20180822 22:54:25<+wesdiscordbot> Where if a unit that is even close to getting to level 2 20180822 22:54:28<+wesdiscordbot> I either reload 20180822 22:54:33<+wesdiscordbot> Or restart the entire fucking thing 20180822 22:54:37<+wesdiscordbot> ahh x3 20180822 22:54:38<+wesdiscordbot> I HATE losing units 20180822 22:54:41<+wesdiscordbot> Me too 20180822 22:54:55<+wesdiscordbot> You know what I just CAN'T beat? 20180822 22:55:01<+wesdiscordbot> HTTT? 20180822 22:55:03<+wesdiscordbot> Northern Alliance on Normal 20180822 22:55:07<+wesdiscordbot> oh xP 20180822 22:55:10<+wesdiscordbot> What was HTTT again? 20180822 22:55:13<+wesdiscordbot> I'm bad with names 20180822 22:55:14<+wesdiscordbot> Heir to the Throne 20180822 22:55:21<+wesdiscordbot> really HttT I guess xD 20180822 22:55:26<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20180822 22:55:29<+wesdiscordbot> It's ez 20180822 22:55:40<+wesdiscordbot> Delfador carries the entire campaign himself 20180822 22:55:51<+wesdiscordbot> I couldnt beat it in normal (scenario 23 I think it was; the big field with 2 parties) 20180822 22:55:58<+wesdiscordbot> and a castle in the middle bottom 20180822 22:55:58-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20180822 22:56:16<+wesdiscordbot> Oh 20180822 22:56:20<+wesdiscordbot> It's not so bad 20180822 22:56:27<+wesdiscordbot> Whenever I get to a hard stage 20180822 22:56:30<+wesdiscordbot> I have two stages 20180822 22:56:35<+wesdiscordbot> First I play really defensive 20180822 22:56:40<+wesdiscordbot> And let them throw themselves at me until they die 20180822 22:56:42<+wesdiscordbot> IF SOMEHOW 20180822 22:56:44<+wesdiscordbot> Mmm I see xPP ;3 20180822 22:56:45<+wesdiscordbot> They overwhelm me 20180822 22:56:46<+wesdiscordbot> I go like 20180822 22:56:49<+wesdiscordbot> "FUck it, deep end" 20180822 22:56:56<+wesdiscordbot> And blitzkrieg them with cavalry 20180822 22:57:03<+wesdiscordbot> And try to kill them before they overwhelm me 20180822 22:57:17<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 😘 Haha but what about village defecit? 20180822 22:57:40<+wesdiscordbot> By the way sorry if I sound cranky or rude or grumpy, I really don't mean to at all.. Im just sleep deprived ;_; really sleepy 20180822 22:57:48<+wesdiscordbot> I'm so sorry about that 20180822 22:58:06<+wesdiscordbot> Nana fam, it's ok 20180822 22:58:10<+wesdiscordbot> Village deficit? 20180822 22:58:13<+wesdiscordbot> I am relieved! ❤ 20180822 22:58:15<+wesdiscordbot> What the fuck is village deficit :^) 20180822 22:58:26<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah like if you camp then won't you lose a bunch of villages 20180822 22:58:30<+wesdiscordbot> and be out-economied 20180822 22:58:32<+wesdiscordbot> boi 20180822 22:58:37<+wesdiscordbot> When I reach those stages 20180822 22:58:44<+wesdiscordbot> I give up ENTIRELY 20180822 22:58:48<+wesdiscordbot> on maintaining villages 20180822 22:58:51<+wesdiscordbot> And instead 20180822 22:58:56<+wesdiscordbot> Blow all of my funds right away and defend 20180822 22:59:03<+wesdiscordbot> Then once the dum dummy dum AI 20180822 22:59:06<+wesdiscordbot> ahhh how interesting 20180822 22:59:09<+wesdiscordbot> Just recruits whenever they have even a little bit of gold 20180822 22:59:13<+wesdiscordbot> I just kill them one at a time 20180822 22:59:17<+wesdiscordbot> xD 20180822 22:59:17<+wesdiscordbot> and fucc them up 20180822 22:59:35<+wesdiscordbot> Same thing for blitkrieg 20180822 22:59:42<+wesdiscordbot> I give up entirely on sparing gold 20180822 22:59:54<+wesdiscordbot> And just buy up my entire blitzkrieg unit shit 20180822 22:59:57<+wesdiscordbot> And rush them over 20180822 23:00:01<+wesdiscordbot> THE ONLY 20180822 23:00:45<+wesdiscordbot> THE ONLY 20180822 23:00:48<+wesdiscordbot> Campaign 20180822 23:00:48<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/481960958810652673/unknown.png 20180822 23:00:53<+wesdiscordbot> Where neither of my stages really worked 20180822 23:00:54<+wesdiscordbot> WAS THIS 20180822 23:01:02<+wesdiscordbot> Playing in Normal as I usually do with Expert 20180822 23:01:16<+wesdiscordbot> If you don't spare gold for the battle where you hunt after the traitor 20180822 23:01:24<+wesdiscordbot> And have to defeat three leaders 20180822 23:01:27<+wesdiscordbot> Two of them at the same time 20180822 23:01:41<+wesdiscordbot> If I don't have the gold spared to bumrush them 20180822 23:01:42<+wesdiscordbot> I suffer 20180822 23:01:43<+wesdiscordbot> And cry. 20180822 23:01:52<+wesdiscordbot> hmm I never felt like you had to use any crazy strategies for any of the mainline campaigns 20180822 23:02:15<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not some sort of 9000 IQ man for this 20180822 23:02:25<+wesdiscordbot> I find DiD hard without crazy strategies 20180822 23:02:27<+wesdiscordbot> Also these crazy strategies sometimes are done simply because playing the normal way and winning 20180822 23:02:31<+wesdiscordbot> Would mean sacrificing some units 20180822 23:02:33<+wesdiscordbot> but the rest of them seemed conventional 20180822 23:02:35<+wesdiscordbot> Something I fucking hate 20180822 23:02:49<+wesdiscordbot> mmm 20180822 23:02:50<+wesdiscordbot> Descent into Darkness is just 20180822 23:02:50<+wesdiscordbot> sad 20180822 23:02:54<+wesdiscordbot> Man I feel fucking bad for him 20180822 23:02:57<+wesdiscordbot> you can beat most of the campaigns without unit losses 20180822 23:03:03<+wesdiscordbot> I've done it for UtBS and TRoW 20180822 23:03:07<+wesdiscordbot> The big boss Malin'Keshar didn't deserve what he suffered 20180822 23:03:10<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think it's possible on NR 20180822 23:03:17<+wesdiscordbot> Oh I've done that with every campaign I fuckin' play 20180822 23:03:41<+wesdiscordbot> The only ones where I really allow myself to lose units 20180822 23:03:43<+wesdiscordbot> is the first chapter 20180822 23:03:45<+wesdiscordbot> but most of the mainline campaigns are quite easy, so it's not really that much of a challenge 20180822 23:03:45<+wesdiscordbot> And the last chapter 20180822 23:03:47<+wesdiscordbot> Nothing else 20180822 23:03:57<+wesdiscordbot> Oh yeah, Northern Rebirth 20180822 23:03:58<+wesdiscordbot> Is hell 20180822 23:04:00<+wesdiscordbot> actual hell 20180822 23:04:10<+wesdiscordbot> Holy fuck 20180822 23:04:11<+wesdiscordbot> NR is incredibly tedious 20180822 23:04:19<+wesdiscordbot> I-- 20180822 23:04:19<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20180822 23:04:26<+wesdiscordbot> it's not so much as difficult as it is just 20180822 23:04:30<+wesdiscordbot> The one where you lay siege to a castle with 5 leaders 20180822 23:04:38<+wesdiscordbot> And it's just a whiff fest because mountains and dwarves 20180822 23:04:44<+wesdiscordbot> getting bored halfway through i guess 20180822 23:04:50<+wesdiscordbot> I mean 20180822 23:04:53<+wesdiscordbot> IT IS difficult in certian places 20180822 23:05:09<+wesdiscordbot> Specially if you are trying to not lose people 20180822 23:05:23<+wesdiscordbot> I think I only found one scenario hard 20180822 23:05:26<+wesdiscordbot> There was this one where I had to defend the caves from the Big Bad Boss himself 20180822 23:05:29<+wesdiscordbot> And I HAD to force myself 20180822 23:05:31<+wesdiscordbot> To lose people 20180822 23:05:33<+wesdiscordbot> If I wanted to win 20180822 23:05:35<+wesdiscordbot> huh really? 20180822 23:05:47<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20180822 23:05:59<+wesdiscordbot> that was a super easy one for me 😮 20180822 23:06:02<+wesdiscordbot> 🤔 20180822 23:06:06<+wesdiscordbot> I was chock-full of certain little 20180822 23:06:07<+wesdiscordbot> Frail Units 20180822 23:06:09<+wesdiscordbot> You know them 20180822 23:06:24<+wesdiscordbot> And not nearly enough dwarves and highwaymen to hold the lines 20180822 23:06:42-!- aeth_ [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 23:06:54<+wesdiscordbot> Fugitives 20180822 23:06:56<+wesdiscordbot> MY army was almost entirely 20180822 23:06:57<+wesdiscordbot> Fugitives 20180822 23:07:14<+wesdiscordbot> Because of the second chapter 20180822 23:07:27<+wesdiscordbot> Where footpads were really the only ones who were good enough to get me to kill the leaders 20180822 23:07:30<+wesdiscordbot> Get the mage safely 20180822 23:07:31<+wesdiscordbot> And win 20180822 23:08:00<+wesdiscordbot> yah they don't do enough dmg to cut through legions of orcs 20180822 23:08:12<+wesdiscordbot> And they aren't beefy enough to last through legions of orcs 20180822 23:08:23<+wesdiscordbot> But that once I actually didn't care THAT much I lost them 20180822 23:08:31<+wesdiscordbot> on forest they do okay, but not super great 20180822 23:08:33<+wesdiscordbot> Because by that point, I actually had so many Fugitives 20180822 23:08:35<+wesdiscordbot> I was really just 20180822 23:08:38<+wesdiscordbot> "Yeah that's sad k" 20180822 23:08:44<+wesdiscordbot> 🤷 20180822 23:08:50<+wesdiscordbot> Even then, they do okay because you usually can run away with them 20180822 23:08:55<+wesdiscordbot> This was a scenario where they couldn't 20180822 23:09:07<+wesdiscordbot> I had to abuse the Healer Couple 20180822 23:09:08<+wesdiscordbot> Which btw 20180822 23:09:11<+wesdiscordbot> Extremely broken wtf 20180822 23:09:36<+wesdiscordbot> well a NR rewrite is being considered right now 20180822 23:09:44<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20180822 23:09:48<+wesdiscordbot> The story itself is good 20180822 23:09:51<+wesdiscordbot> I loved Tallin 20180822 23:09:58<+wesdiscordbot> The scenario gameplay could use tune-ups yes 20180822 23:10:14<+wesdiscordbot> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well a rewrite means rewriting everything 20180822 23:10:18<+wesdiscordbot> like, scenarios too 20180822 23:10:23<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20180822 23:10:28<+wesdiscordbot> I just don't want the story to be changed too much 20180822 23:10:33<+wesdiscordbot> Tallin's origins, the prisoner friends he makes 20180822 23:10:37<+wesdiscordbot> Those were a treat to read 20180822 23:10:45<+wesdiscordbot> My Big Boi Drake returning with friends to help me out 20180822 23:10:50<+wesdiscordbot> His romance with the Elf 20180822 23:10:55<+wesdiscordbot> Wholesome AF 20180822 23:12:09<+wesdiscordbot> But if I were to change the scenarios, I'd just.. delete that Castle Siege entirely 20180822 23:12:13<+wesdiscordbot> Holy god that was a snoozefest. 20180822 23:19:19<+wesdiscordbot> idk, I think for me add-on campaigns have better storylines 20180822 23:19:26<+wesdiscordbot> generally speaking 20180822 23:20:03<+wesdiscordbot> well, not generally as in all add-on campaigns, but as in there are really good ones that are better than mainline 20180822 23:20:32<+wesdiscordbot> Oh 20180822 23:20:34<+wesdiscordbot> There are VERY good ones 20180822 23:20:36<+wesdiscordbot> There are 20180822 23:20:38<+wesdiscordbot> Shitty ones 20180822 23:20:39<+wesdiscordbot> gameplay-wise can be hit or miss 20180822 23:20:43<+wesdiscordbot> Nods 20180822 23:20:54<+wesdiscordbot> There was this really really long campaign story 20180822 23:20:54<+wesdiscordbot> I shouldn't use "generally" 20180822 23:20:58<+wesdiscordbot> It had Mira 20180822 23:21:02<+wesdiscordbot> Mira of somewhere dick Mountain 20180822 23:21:04<+wesdiscordbot> And she had elementals 20180822 23:21:08<+wesdiscordbot> Have you played that one? 20180822 23:21:08<+wesdiscordbot> a song of fire 20180822 23:21:17<+wesdiscordbot> Ye 20180822 23:21:19<+wesdiscordbot> The last chapter one 20180822 23:21:25<+wesdiscordbot> I didn't get there 20180822 23:21:29<+wesdiscordbot> With the Japan Random Area 20180822 23:21:35<+wesdiscordbot> Has a girl with the spirit of MIra 20180822 23:21:37<+wesdiscordbot> And that's all I say 20180822 23:21:41<+wesdiscordbot> Let's just say that one of the elementals 20180822 23:21:46<+wesdiscordbot> Which is different from Mira's elementals 20180822 23:21:49<+wesdiscordbot> is EXTREMELY OP 20180822 23:22:00<+wesdiscordbot> Air Elementals with magic attacks, extreme mobility and skirmisher 20180822 23:22:04<+wesdiscordbot> They were so broken that with just three 20180822 23:22:11<+wesdiscordbot> I could break entire chapters and fuck over the story and the script 20180822 23:22:29<+wesdiscordbot> I would kill the main leader with just three air elementals before the other two enemy leaders, who were supposed to appear at turn 4 20180822 23:22:34<+wesdiscordbot> Even appeared 20180822 23:22:37<+wesdiscordbot> I'd miss major cutscenes 20180822 23:22:52<+wesdiscordbot> I'd skip entire Massive Important Battles 20180822 23:23:02<+wesdiscordbot> By just circling the entire enemy army with them because they are so mobile 20180822 23:23:11<+wesdiscordbot> And fucking over the leader thanks to skirmisher and magic 20180822 23:23:34<+wesdiscordbot> TL:DR - Broken ass units break the script itself by just being too good 20180822 23:23:43<+wesdiscordbot> sounds like a bug or an oversight 20180822 23:23:55<+wesdiscordbot> might be worth reporting, but idk if revansurik still maintains his campaigns actively 20180822 23:24:00<+wesdiscordbot> Are we discussing A Song of Fire right now? 20180822 23:24:02<+wesdiscordbot> they aren't ported to 1.14 yet, at least 20180822 23:24:22<+wesdiscordbot> Not a bug 20180822 23:24:23<+wesdiscordbot> Oversight 20180822 23:24:34<+wesdiscordbot> Just an oversight 20180822 23:24:44<+wesdiscordbot> Because the Air Elemental was made so unfathomably powerful 20180822 23:24:46<+wesdiscordbot> That's it 20180822 23:24:49<+wesdiscordbot> sure, if he were maintaining his campaigns, probably worth reporting 20180822 23:25:11<+wesdiscordbot> well, probably worth making a post anyway 20180822 23:25:21<+wesdiscordbot> Eh 20180822 23:25:25<+wesdiscordbot> It's not that new of a campaign 20180822 23:25:34<+wesdiscordbot> I'm sure others have said already that they are ridiculously broken 20180822 23:26:04<+wesdiscordbot> true, but we campaign writers don't always know about these things until they come to our attention 20180822 23:26:10<+wesdiscordbot> Also that the siege of one of the biggest cities was supposed to be hard because lots of elementals protecting me 20180822 23:26:20<+wesdiscordbot> They were actually coded as allies 20180822 23:26:30<+wesdiscordbot> So they actually just delayed their own guys and beating them 20180822 23:26:38<+wesdiscordbot> It was one of the easiest chapters of the entire storyline 20180822 23:27:56<+wesdiscordbot> What else can I go on about when it comes to Battle for Wesnoth 20180822 23:28:02<+wesdiscordbot> Under the Burning Suns was freakin' awesome. 20180822 23:30:13<+wesdiscordbot> the new quenoth line is pretty nice 20180822 23:30:17<+wesdiscordbot> although I've heard it's a little OP 20180822 23:38:28<+wesdiscordbot> For the campaign they are put in? 20180822 23:38:29<+wesdiscordbot> They are 20180822 23:38:33<+wesdiscordbot> ABSOLUTELY fine. 20180822 23:38:41<+wesdiscordbot> In an equal environment 20180822 23:38:42<+wesdiscordbot> Like 20180822 23:38:47<+wesdiscordbot> If they were in multiplayer? 20180822 23:38:51<+wesdiscordbot> They have clear advantage 20180822 23:38:55<+wesdiscordbot> Quenoth is pretty strong 20180822 23:39:01<+wesdiscordbot> Specially the riders 20180822 23:39:28<+wesdiscordbot> idk I haven't played the new one so all I have is hearsay 20180822 23:39:41<+wesdiscordbot> I played both 20180822 23:39:47<+wesdiscordbot> For multiplayer... they have too less units I guess 20180822 23:39:57<+wesdiscordbot> The second one to completion 20180822 23:40:03<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah the new Quenoth Elves are 20180822 23:40:04<+wesdiscordbot> REAL strong 20180822 23:40:19<+wesdiscordbot> They are weaker than actual elves when it comes to their Champions ns tuff 20180822 23:40:21<+wesdiscordbot> Buuut 20180822 23:40:25<+wesdiscordbot> The riders REALLY compensate 20180822 23:40:55<+wesdiscordbot> Do you think they can competet with other multiplayer factions ? 20180822 23:41:48<+wesdiscordbot> .. 20180822 23:41:50<+wesdiscordbot> Frankly 20180822 23:41:50<+wesdiscordbot> Yes 20180822 23:41:51-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 23:41:57<+wesdiscordbot> hmmm okay 20180822 23:42:03<+wesdiscordbot> They fare well pretty much anywhere 20180822 23:42:05<+wesdiscordbot> (Except for caves) 20180822 23:42:14<+wesdiscordbot> They are the real only ones that not only deal with 20180822 23:42:15<+wesdiscordbot> but THRIVE 20180822 23:42:17<+wesdiscordbot> in the sand 20180822 23:42:30<+wesdiscordbot> And the Dunefolk 20180822 23:42:47<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20180822 23:42:48<+wesdiscordbot> THAT'S 20180822 23:42:53<+wesdiscordbot> What they call the Khalifate now? 20180822 23:42:56<+wesdiscordbot> They don't have an lvl 1 archer, and they don't have an impact using unit I think 20180822 23:43:03<+wesdiscordbot> yes khalifate was renamed 20180822 23:43:20<+wesdiscordbot> ... 20180822 23:43:24<+wesdiscordbot> Was the Khalifate too 20180822 23:43:26<+wesdiscordbot> uh 20180822 23:43:28<+wesdiscordbot> real-life? 20180822 23:43:30<+wesdiscordbot> Or something 20180822 23:43:48<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, if I remember the Khalifate 20180822 23:43:55<+wesdiscordbot> They don't have a level 1 dedicated archer and lack impact 20180822 23:43:57<+wesdiscordbot> People wanted another name 20180822 23:43:59<+wesdiscordbot> Wait 20180822 23:44:00<+wesdiscordbot> THey do 20180822 23:44:03<+wesdiscordbot> The Fire Bow guysthing 20180822 23:44:13<+wesdiscordbot> I mean the Quenoth 20180822 23:44:57<+wesdiscordbot> Fire Bow guy is expensive... Jundi (I think he's called Rover now) have nice ranged too 20180822 23:45:02<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi Is there any info on a dedicated mainline campaign being made for the Khalifate? 20180822 23:45:03<+wesdiscordbot> Or 20180822 23:45:04<+wesdiscordbot> Dunesfolk 20180822 23:45:06<+wesdiscordbot> .. 20180822 23:45:07<+wesdiscordbot> Or whatever 20180822 23:45:14<+wesdiscordbot> No 20180822 23:45:54<+wesdiscordbot> There is an üopular UMC one though 20180822 23:46:08<+wesdiscordbot> I remember that one 20180822 23:46:10<+wesdiscordbot> I played it. 20180822 23:46:23<+wesdiscordbot> some are being considered for mainlining I think 20180822 23:46:37<+wesdiscordbot> My own personal requests 20180822 23:46:46<+wesdiscordbot> Would be more mainline undead-focused 20180822 23:47:06<+wesdiscordbot> There was just a new undead campaign mainlined 20180822 23:47:14<+wesdiscordbot> There WAS? 20180822 23:47:19<+wesdiscordbot> What version? 20180822 23:47:47<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.wesnoth.org/start/1.14/ 20180822 23:47:53<+wesdiscordbot> .. 20180822 23:47:54<+wesdiscordbot> SHit 20180822 23:47:58<+wesdiscordbot> mine is 1.12.6 20180822 23:48:01<+wesdiscordbot> brb downloading newest 20180822 23:48:07<+wesdiscordbot> I'm so surprised you guys are still so active 20180822 23:48:09<+wesdiscordbot> I have to keep up to this day 20180822 23:48:23<+wesdiscordbot> .. 20180822 23:48:42<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/481973012866924550/unknown.png 20180822 23:48:50<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/481973045569781803/unknown.png 20180822 23:48:52<+wesdiscordbot> HOLY FUCK IT'S HERE 20180822 23:52:31-!- aeth_ is now known as aeth 20180822 23:52:54-!- sevu [~sevu@p548557AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180822 23:56:01<+wesdiscordbot> danse macabre is another undead focused one, I think it's on 1.14 20180822 23:56:27<+wesdiscordbot> the new mainline one is secrets of the ancients 20180822 23:56:29<+wesdiscordbot> it's decent, but a bit long 20180822 23:56:42<+wesdiscordbot> My hopes are not the highest 20180822 23:56:46<+wesdiscordbot> If the writer is the writer of dead waters 20180822 23:56:53<+wesdiscordbot> The gameplay was fun but the writing was a bit predictable 20180822 23:57:32-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20180822 23:58:36<+wesdiscordbot> well then there's always Invasion from the Unknown, which is half undead 20180822 23:59:40<+wesdiscordbot> oh yeah and Birth of a Lich --- Log closed Thu Aug 23 00:00:21 2018