--- Log opened Tue Aug 28 00:00:28 2018 20180828 00:07:15-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180828 00:22:29-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20180828 00:32:18-!- minzbonbon [~min@meta23.net] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 01:20:59-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6616.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180828 01:33:41-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 01:52:43<+wesdiscordbot> Is friendly AI stupider than enemy AI sometimes or am I just paranoid? 😅 20180828 01:54:27<+wesdiscordbot> Nope. Wesnoth's AI simply wasn't originally designed with team work in mind. 20180828 01:55:02<+wesdiscordbot> Makes sense. It's just funny how sometimes your AI teamie seems so dumb. 20180828 03:08:23-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180828 03:12:01<+wesdiscordbot> same as far as I know yeah 20180828 03:55:36-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180828 04:57:24<+wesdiscordbot> what are you playing? 😮 20180828 04:57:34<+wesdiscordbot> Kass's Theme 20180828 04:57:54<+wesdiscordbot> a bit 20180828 05:03:53<+wesdiscordbot> can you do the frantic track on harmonica lol 20180828 05:04:17<+wesdiscordbot> well, might be hard 20180828 05:04:20<+wesdiscordbot> 🤔 20180828 05:05:12<+wesdiscordbot> okay accordion 20180828 05:05:18<+wesdiscordbot> from wesnoth 20180828 05:05:37<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKyAcmGYInE 20180828 05:05:40<+wesdiscordbot> not very melodic hmm 20180828 05:05:44<+wesdiscordbot> what about wanderer 20180828 05:06:01<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH5rEvxFLvM 20180828 05:06:06<+wesdiscordbot> o: 20180828 05:11:16<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSs0Y06nU0I 20180828 05:11:18<+wesdiscordbot> wanderer is this one 20180828 05:16:24< aeth> You can cheat and take manual control of your AI ally in campaigns 20180828 05:16:42< aeth> I forget the exact details but I've done that before 20180828 05:17:16< aeth> There's a debug console for commands like most games. 20180828 05:17:16<+wesdiscordbot> but reading music is easy 😦 20180828 05:17:22<+wesdiscordbot> Don't cheat, kids. 20180828 05:17:29<+wesdiscordbot> Stay in school and don't do drugs. 20180828 05:17:31<+wesdiscordbot> Hail Satan. 20180828 05:17:36<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20180828 05:18:02<+wesdiscordbot> praise Uria \o/ 20180828 05:18:15< aeth> Cheating's bad when it makes the game too boring/easy. Cheating's good when it makes the game fun or less frustrating. 20180828 05:18:30<+wesdiscordbot> And ignore programmer types encouraging you to cheat to get out of unsolvable situations. 20180828 05:18:56<+wesdiscordbot> They have some kind of god complex that makes them believe they can cheat the system without consequences. 20180828 05:20:30<+wesdiscordbot> can you play any other instruments? 20180828 05:21:04<+wesdiscordbot> o: 20180828 05:29:27<+wesdiscordbot> think I shall return to studying 20180828 05:29:57<+wesdiscordbot> Take care! Thank you so much :))) sorry that I suck so much lol 20180828 05:30:00<+wesdiscordbot> Lol 20180828 05:30:07<+wesdiscordbot> not bad for not being able to read music :p 20180828 05:30:14<+wesdiscordbot> :) 20180828 05:51:05<+wesdiscordbot> I lost most of my ability to read and play music 20180828 06:34:54<+wesdiscordbot> Do you play accordion? @Crimson_Conure 20180828 06:36:04<+wesdiscordbot> Err @Violin-Person why did you steal my PFP? 20180828 06:37:28<+wesdiscordbot> I'm a big fan 20180828 06:39:16<+wesdiscordbot> he was playing accordion earlier 20180828 06:39:23<+wesdiscordbot> Also I usually use compact mode and don't see profile pictures 20180828 06:43:32<+wesdiscordbot> I do too 20180828 06:43:43<+wesdiscordbot> It doesn't seem to do same for mobile 20180828 06:43:47<+wesdiscordbot> I will check 20180828 06:45:09<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah I can't see an option for it 20180828 06:49:22-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 06:55:26<+wesdiscordbot> Hello @Violin-Person 😘 I play accordion yes. Casually. :) 20180828 07:01:41-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 07:08:38<+wesdiscordbot> Nice, it seems like a tough instrument to learn 20180828 07:10:11<+wesdiscordbot> Awwee thank you <3 and hmm, I think its moderate. It's not too versatile for genres unless you're super super good 20180828 07:11:02<+wesdiscordbot> I wonder if there are electronic accordions where you can play with more genres, like you could with an electronic keyboard, that would be really cool 😍 20180828 07:11:32<+wesdiscordbot> Do you play violin? 20180828 07:11:34<+wesdiscordbot> xD 20180828 07:22:16<+wesdiscordbot> Yup, also classical guitar 20180828 07:22:53<+wesdiscordbot> oooh x3 20180828 07:25:03-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180828 07:25:49<+wesdiscordbot> It seems like people always see the violin as a graceful and peaceful instrument, but like I believe Mozart or some composers from Vienna wrote songs where the violins play a very fiery role... An environment where I could picture say, two swordsmen dueling with flaming claymores. I guess that the violin is a pretty versatile instrument? 20180828 07:27:53<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah it does pretty much everything, which is nice 20180828 07:28:07<+wesdiscordbot> I feel like classical guitar is more limited in that regard 20180828 07:28:23<+wesdiscordbot> Like it's harder to put more emotion into the playing 20180828 07:28:41<+wesdiscordbot> What is your favourite accordion music? 20180828 07:30:44<+wesdiscordbot> That's sweet... :) well guitar/live aid brought a lot of life around the world 🤗 but interesting, because well I thought you could put emotion into the guitar 20180828 07:30:55<+wesdiscordbot> or like a lot x3 sorry for being vague lol 20180828 07:31:02<+wesdiscordbot> Hmm my favorite accordion music? Serbian stuff!! 20180828 07:31:41<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CNPtT_tY2I 20180828 07:31:55<+wesdiscordbot> I want to learn this someday x3 20180828 07:36:48<+wesdiscordbot> It looks very complicated to play, especially at that speed 20180828 07:37:06<+wesdiscordbot> x33 yeah i find it harder to play when I wear my plague doctor mask 20180828 07:37:10<+wesdiscordbot> You'll get there some day! 20180828 07:37:14<+wesdiscordbot> even though either way I don't really look at the buttons 20180828 07:37:37<+wesdiscordbot> Aww thank you :))) I hope I do 🖤 💛 20180828 07:44:30<+wesdiscordbot> @Violin-Person https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=FxRvogU02PI Here is me playing accordion to give you an idea lol, nothing great though :( 20180828 07:47:16<+wesdiscordbot> Nice, that's pretty good 20180828 07:49:57<+wesdiscordbot> i played it for the talent show (with a plague doctor mask xD to match Kass the bird, plus its just something I do to keep me more calm) 20180828 07:51:23-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 07:53:04<+wesdiscordbot> Did you win? 20180828 07:54:57<+wesdiscordbot> Lol I got second place xD 20180828 07:57:26<+wesdiscordbot> But you know, to be honest, I feel like people just sugarcoats everybody else there.. I felt kinda like a failure in a sense not based on only getting second place, but based on how I played. Mistake after mistake :\ 20180828 08:54:09<+wesdiscordbot> They don't rank you on your absolute skill. 20180828 08:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> They rank you according to how your absolute skill compares to the other people participating. 20180828 08:54:55<+wesdiscordbot> You can be bad, the others just have to be worse. :D 20180828 08:56:12<+wesdiscordbot> x3 20180828 11:06:20-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180828 11:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> Guys has anyone given a thought to why does the google play android version does not work? 20180828 11:40:23<+wesdiscordbot> Guys has anyone given a thought to why does the google play android version does not work? 20180828 11:40:23<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz 20180828 11:40:43<+wesdiscordbot> we don't have direct control over the android port. 20180828 11:40:45<+wesdiscordbot> Guys has anyone given a thought to why does the google play android version does not work? 20180828 11:40:45<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz 20180828 11:40:54<+wesdiscordbot> Oh 20180828 11:40:55<+wesdiscordbot> stop spamming 20180828 11:41:00< Soliton> there is a forum thread you can report issues to. 20180828 11:41:03<+wesdiscordbot> Any plans for it? 20180828 11:41:18<+wesdiscordbot> It's up to the maintainer to fix issues. 20180828 11:42:09<+wesdiscordbot> Well if thats so i dont think its coming soon its has been like that for years now i dont think he cares for it 20180828 11:43:39< Soliton> there is a working android version. if you have issues with it report that to the forum thread. 20180828 11:44:09< Soliton> perhaps with a little more description than "it doesn't work". 20180828 11:55:11<+wesdiscordbot> @dato2003 ^ 20180828 11:57:10<+wesdiscordbot> https://r.wesnoth.org/t48327 would be the thread – but as it has been said, please be concrete there. Also, please check what version you installed, IIRC there are older version in the store too 20180828 11:58:51<+wesdiscordbot> When you download it 20180828 11:59:09<+wesdiscordbot> When you download it 20180828 11:59:12<+wesdiscordbot> And install and run it 20180828 11:59:40<+wesdiscordbot> It should download the gamefiles right? Ateast thats what it says 20180828 11:59:44<+wesdiscordbot> When you download it 20180828 12:00:34<+wesdiscordbot> The bug is that i think it the wrong link so it can't download 20180828 12:01:13<+wesdiscordbot> Just try downloading it from google play and run it you will get the bug 20180828 12:02:33< Soliton> with that assumption it will never be fixed for you. 20180828 12:15:06<+wesdiscordbot> @dato2003 If you would look at that thread you would surprisingly figure out that it is not broken for everybody (and not for years either). You need to put more work into it if you want someone to fix your issue besides saying it does magically not work. I asked to make sure what version you actually did install. And maybe you have no disk space, on either of both storage devices? For someone in the thread it turned out to 20180828 12:15:07<+wesdiscordbot> be an SD Card issue. Lastly, the android version is not the domain we work on, so please write a post in the thread. 20180828 12:16:47-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 12:23:38-!- marmistrz [~marmistrz@afoz212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 12:24:11< marmistrz> Hi! I have real trouble getting through an undead scenario in the undead campaign (on hard): marmistrz.nut.cc/wesnoth-ze2Iech8ohDahjeik4ei/DiD-A Haunting in Winter replay.gz 20180828 12:24:22< marmistrz> Do you have an idea, what kind of mistakes I'm doing? 20180828 12:24:41< marmistrz> replay -> http://marmistrz.nut.cc/wesnoth-ze2Iech8ohDahjeik4ei/DiD-A Haunting in Winter replay.gz 20180828 12:36:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 12:36:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 12:47:54<+wesdiscordbot> marmistrz: (There are two undead campaigns.) You are relying too much on Walking Corpses. In this case it's a big problem, because you are fighting indoors, so there are a lot of choking points and not much chance to swarm any enemy. Too many obstructions. Without swarming or vastly superior numbers your warlking corpses will be grind down very fast. (As they were in this scenario.) 20180828 12:48:02<+wesdiscordbot> *walking 20180828 12:48:57<+wesdiscordbot> Also, you pretty much set up your ghost to die, the way you exposed im without any backup. It's an army, not a duel arena. 20180828 12:50:21< marmistrz> Konrad2, I guess I should rely much more on ghouls? Ghosts are clearly a problem in this scenario as they are eager to rebel. 20180828 12:50:48< marmistrz> and the rest of the undead troops are pretty poor against ghosts 20180828 12:54:34< marmistrz> (I'm now quitting the chat, but I'll read the logs later today) 20180828 12:55:20-!- marmistrz [~marmistrz@afoz212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 13:01:22<+wesdiscordbot> Ghouls and Ghost. Maybe 3-4 Ghosts. The rebellion starts with one of them. Once he is dead, no one will rebell anymore. So keep them close until the rebellion starts, kill him immediatly and you will be fine. 20180828 13:01:51<+wesdiscordbot> You can also throw in a bat to rush before the enemies spread, there are some villages you can grab. 20180828 13:23:38<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/483990037365522433/20180828_152315.jpg 20180828 13:23:44<+wesdiscordbot> 1.12. 20180828 13:23:53<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/483990101119074304/20180828_152322.jpg 20180828 13:23:55<+wesdiscordbot> 1.14 20180828 13:24:41<+wesdiscordbot> I liked this spilling over of the snow into the encampment. Was disabling this an intentional change? 20180828 13:28:35<+wesdiscordbot> I happend also for other terrain such as sand 20180828 13:30:40<+wesdiscordbot> I don't like that either. xD 20180828 13:32:15<+wesdiscordbot> Sand and snow sounds really cool 20180828 13:54:53<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20180828 14:03:40-!- marmistrz [~marmistrz@afoz212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 14:03:41-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@pppoe.178-66-211-144.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 14:03:44< marmistrz> Konrad2, thanks! 20180828 14:03:59-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@pppoe.178-66-211-144.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 14:11:46-!- marmistrz [~marmistrz@afoz212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 14:22:33<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm As those are not proper issues, I'll note them down here as a reminder and ask you when we are both online. (Mission, Dark Adepts) 20180828 14:25:07<+wesdiscordbot> I think the reason for the changes was this: 20180828 14:25:07<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484005512371896320/1.13.png 20180828 14:27:35<+wesdiscordbot> I just relize that you took the pictures with a camera ^^ there's are an screenshot and a map-screenshot schortcut, which are by default not bound to any key 20180828 14:31:35<+wesdiscordbot> Okay, I can see your point. I know, but I'm not logged in into discord on that pc, while I am logged in on my phone. :D 20180828 14:39:39<+wesdiscordbot> In 1.12. I could access the Contributors (Credits) through the help, but I can't do that in 1.14. Why? 20180828 15:55:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 15:55:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 16:02:20<+wesdiscordbot> The credits screen implementation was rewritten in 1.14. IIRC, the developer who did that simply didn't bother to reimplement ability to view credits in help. 20180828 16:10:26-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 16:23:15-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 16:23:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 16:35:35<+wesdiscordbot> D: 20180828 16:46:56-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 16:47:02-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 16:52:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 16:52:11-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 16:54:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180828 16:57:23-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 17:03:23<+wesdiscordbot> Could this possibly be related to Wesnoth sometimes crashing when displaying the credits after finishing a campaign? 20180828 17:04:03<+wesdiscordbot> Is there a bug filed for that? 20180828 17:04:38<+wesdiscordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/3265 20180828 17:05:02<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 What about the mission (??) and dark adepts? 20180828 17:06:02<+wesdiscordbot> Oh my god please tell me there isn't anything trying to allocate gigabytes-large surfaces for text rendering 20180828 17:06:29<+wesdiscordbot> Because that's the kind of bug that makes me cringe if it goes unfixed for so long 20180828 17:06:48<+wesdiscordbot> The surface is few hundred megabytes in my experience. 20180828 17:06:55<+wesdiscordbot> Not enough to crash Wesnoth. 20180828 17:07:36<+wesdiscordbot> Right, when one of my important units dies they say that their mission failed now. What mission are they talking about? Dark Adepts: They are recruitable in Sc2, but the first mention as to why I can recruit them is in Sc3 (cultist joining Mal Keshar). Is that intentional? 20180828 17:08:12<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive Did you consider the credits of every add-on I've downloaded? 20180828 17:08:27<+wesdiscordbot> No, my tests are without add-ons. 20180828 17:08:28<+wesdiscordbot> The mission question is very abstract. 20180828 17:08:57<+wesdiscordbot> Elynia at the end of IftU: "There is a place I would like to visit... That island Althurin mentioned, Zocthanol." 20180828 17:09:09<+wesdiscordbot> But more literally it refers to whatever it is the scenario's objectives are. 20180828 17:09:10<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive Because those credits get added to the list. 20180828 17:09:39<+wesdiscordbot> Yes, I know. 20180828 17:09:47<+wesdiscordbot> ZocthanoL? 20180828 17:09:56<+wesdiscordbot> why does that name sound familiar 20180828 17:09:57<+wesdiscordbot> Zocthanol indeed. 20180828 17:10:01<+wesdiscordbot> UtBS ending. 20180828 17:10:04<+wesdiscordbot> ohhhhhhh 20180828 17:10:19<+wesdiscordbot> Still, even if the length was doubled, we'd "only" be talking about several hundred megabytes. Not quite in the gigabyte range. 20180828 17:10:27<+wesdiscordbot> (i havent finished IFTU, had a few scenarios left but couldnt finish it because i got stuck on The Heart and then i also updated to 1.14 20180828 17:10:37<+wesdiscordbot> But it may indeed be too much depending on how fragmented virtual address space is. 20180828 17:11:00<+wesdiscordbot> I don't remember if DAs were meant to be recruitable in E1S2, actually. 20180828 17:11:17<+wesdiscordbot> But I'm not going to change that at this point. 20180828 17:11:21<+wesdiscordbot> by the way, is it recommended to skip straight to part 2? since i have finished part 1 and i wouldnt need to replay the previous scenarios 20180828 17:11:29<+wesdiscordbot> though the problem is the fact that i wont have promoted units already 20180828 17:11:38<+wesdiscordbot> so ill have to make new ones 20180828 17:11:45<+wesdiscordbot> You can technically do it. 20180828 17:12:16<+wesdiscordbot> You already know what the gameplay progression is like, so you'll probably want to focus on elvish healers and only undead for other roles. 20180828 17:12:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180828 17:12:25<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, im definetly bringing out healers 20180828 17:12:42<+wesdiscordbot> also Specters from what i was recommended (and maybe a few necromancers there and there) 20180828 17:13:28<+wesdiscordbot> i will have to be quick considering i lose the possibility of recruiting them later, not to mention i have to be careful regarding keeping them alive because Shaxtals kicked my ass in my first playthrough, so i had nothing good for The Heart 20180828 17:14:18<+wesdiscordbot> It sounds like you talked to Yumi 20180828 17:14:30<+wesdiscordbot> I don't know anyone else who insists on Spectres so much. 20180828 17:14:40<+wesdiscordbot> Me! 20180828 17:14:50<+wesdiscordbot> yep, the recommendation was from Yumi 20180828 17:14:58<+wesdiscordbot> if i recall correctly 20180828 17:15:10<+wesdiscordbot> Spectres and Lichs are neat. 20180828 17:15:15<+wesdiscordbot> yep, it was Yumi 20180828 17:15:40<+wesdiscordbot> This is my usual line-up at the start of the final boss battle: 20180828 17:15:40<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484048433875910666/unknown.png 20180828 17:15:57<+wesdiscordbot> Sometimes there's two Shydes instead of one. 20180828 17:16:08<+wesdiscordbot> i do want to go for more than 1 as well, just in case 20180828 17:16:18<+wesdiscordbot> I just don't see the point of skeletal undead vs. spectres :p 20180828 17:16:20<+wesdiscordbot> who's the high lord? 20180828 17:16:33<+wesdiscordbot> and yeah, i did have Death Knights for the Leadership bonus tho in my first playthrough 20180828 17:16:39<+wesdiscordbot> Um, I spawned him in with debug mode. 20180828 17:16:42<+wesdiscordbot> 👀 20180828 17:16:47<+wesdiscordbot> though in this one i doubt i may go for them since i have Galas 20180828 17:16:47<+wesdiscordbot> and lol 20180828 17:17:02<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 yeah I agree with you it looks better with some snow falling across the wall. for sand or pavement, it makes less sense though. 20180828 17:17:06<+wesdiscordbot> Why the Dead Knight though? 20180828 17:17:14<+wesdiscordbot> leadership bonus i assume 20180828 17:17:17<+wesdiscordbot> Who's he going to lead? xD 20180828 17:17:27<+wesdiscordbot> Shadow's Galas is an Elvish Champion, so no leadership bonus from him i think 20180828 17:17:33<+wesdiscordbot> Walking Corpses. 20180828 17:17:48<+wesdiscordbot> (trying not to spoil anything) 20180828 17:17:48<+wesdiscordbot> Touché. 20180828 17:18:21<+wesdiscordbot> welp i know most of what happens in IFTU, just want to finish it so i can be ready for when ATS gets ported 20180828 17:18:35<+wesdiscordbot> (didnt play much of ATS so it's mostly going to be a blind playthrough) 20180828 17:18:58<+wesdiscordbot> Well then you know that walking corpses get all obliterated by a big meanie at some point. 20180828 17:19:17<+wesdiscordbot> But until then it's fun to just throw them at some impact-weak enemies. 20180828 17:19:22<+wesdiscordbot> Wait, what? 20180828 17:19:27<+wesdiscordbot> Especially bat zombies. 20180828 17:19:45<+wesdiscordbot> (It's easy to miss if you don't have any units with plague at that point.) 20180828 17:20:03-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180828 17:20:03<+wesdiscordbot> (Or keep the two gift Soulless units around.) 20180828 17:20:10-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180828 17:20:30<+wesdiscordbot> ...I just forgot. 20180828 17:20:31<+wesdiscordbot> or you can steamroll them all with spectres hehe 20180828 17:20:32<+wesdiscordbot> i dont find walking corpses/souless much useful 20180828 17:20:35<+wesdiscordbot> I thought they just died. 20180828 17:20:41<+wesdiscordbot> they die fast and the damage is mediocre 20180828 17:20:51<+wesdiscordbot> i mean, they do make good swarm units but otherwise, meh 20180828 17:21:04<+wesdiscordbot> I don't tend to minmax my units in my playthroughs. 20180828 17:21:26<+wesdiscordbot> Either because I'm intentionally going for what an average player would choose, or because I do some things for fun (like the zombies above). 20180828 17:22:12<+wesdiscordbot> The task of cheesing my campaigns with Spectres during playtesting is Yumi's anyway. 20180828 17:22:13<+wesdiscordbot> i like having maxed units, usually i steamroll the enemy if i have enough 20180828 17:22:31<+wesdiscordbot> well i have used Spectres for Genesis lol 20180828 17:22:36<+wesdiscordbot> also those chaotic faeries 20180828 17:22:45<+wesdiscordbot> oh wait, Eventide Dancers, thats what they were called 20180828 17:22:55<+wesdiscordbot> also Talya, gotta love blitz 20180828 17:23:01<+wesdiscordbot> I think I've heard that Spectres aren't as effective in Genesis? 20180828 17:23:11<+wesdiscordbot> spectres die too quickly 20180828 17:23:16<+wesdiscordbot> and faeries have amlas 20180828 17:23:21<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, i had spectres die a bit 20180828 17:23:21<+wesdiscordbot> you're better off feeding the faeries exp 20180828 17:23:40<+wesdiscordbot> Talya's extremely useful 20180828 17:23:59<+wesdiscordbot> That's my way cooler army. 20180828 17:23:59<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484050521582207008/Screenshot_000.png 20180828 17:24:23<+wesdiscordbot> An Elvish Avenger? 20180828 17:24:41<+wesdiscordbot> Uh... 20180828 17:24:44<+wesdiscordbot> He's cool! 20180828 17:25:16<+wesdiscordbot> wasnt a big problem considering my Eventide Dancers were good enough, not to mention the last missions where you can use manifestations to protect yourself, then the heroes (Talya is useful af thanks to blitz and the effects of whirlwind, Esther can do good damage with that storm attack, Aryel was a great healer and Yumi was practically the MVP) 20180828 17:25:21<+wesdiscordbot> I'll be called a hypocrite for this but 20180828 17:25:32<+wesdiscordbot> Elves on foot are terrible for those scenarios. 20180828 17:25:36<+wesdiscordbot> yep 20180828 17:25:47<+wesdiscordbot> once i discovered that dungeon crawling is a thing in IFTU i decided to ditch elves and go for undead 20180828 17:25:59<+wesdiscordbot> Also pierce ranged is about the worst idea as well. 20180828 17:26:00<+wesdiscordbot> was a bad move though considering that I FORGOT TO GET SOME HEALERS 20180828 17:26:03<+wesdiscordbot> Ranger and Prowler are decent with movement. 20180828 17:26:15<+wesdiscordbot> besides, necromancers and death knights are good 20180828 17:26:24<+wesdiscordbot> Because certain meanies will target you with attacks that deal much more damage than you deal back to them. 20180828 17:26:25<+wesdiscordbot> (and now ill also use specteres, probs to replace the death knights) 20180828 17:26:32<+wesdiscordbot> Right, I remember. 20180828 17:26:38<+wesdiscordbot> He's got the explosive arrow. 20180828 17:26:41<+wesdiscordbot> PTSD from Shaxtals 20180828 17:26:55<+wesdiscordbot> I usually give the explosive arrows to a Banebow. 20180828 17:27:13<+wesdiscordbot> I didn't. ...and I never used it. 20180828 17:27:29<+wesdiscordbot> It's useful for crowd control in The Heart (surface). 20180828 17:27:43<+wesdiscordbot> I think that's the end of its usefulness. 20180828 17:27:55<+wesdiscordbot> I had my Elvish Champion for that. Kinda. I mean. Steamrolling is a kind of crowdcontrol, right? 20180828 17:28:06<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, you really need crowd control for The Heart, trust me 20180828 17:28:09<+wesdiscordbot> (Since Shaxthals and bosses are immune to shrapnel.) 20180828 17:28:10<+wesdiscordbot> Heavy Crowd Control. 20180828 17:28:10<+wesdiscordbot> that mission has a crapton of enemies 20180828 17:28:29<+wesdiscordbot> sadly i lost my good units by that point soo...i got steamrolled hard 20180828 17:28:49<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484051743148343296/IftU-The_Heart_replay.gz 20180828 17:28:52<+wesdiscordbot> It is possible to nerf everyone quite considerably in that scenario if you play a previous one a certain way. 20180828 17:29:11<+wesdiscordbot> no love for nightgaunts?? they are great at backstabbing those drones 20180828 17:29:17<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=631889#p631889 (in spoiler blocks) 20180828 17:29:25<+wesdiscordbot> shadowm hates nightgaunts and shadows 😦 20180828 17:29:41<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah they're the most useless and at the same time annoying units in mainline. 20180828 17:29:53<+wesdiscordbot> If I could have it my way nightstalk would cease to exist. 20180828 17:30:04<+wesdiscordbot> 😦 20180828 17:30:29<+wesdiscordbot> nightstalks look cool tho 20180828 17:30:41<+wesdiscordbot> Why do you use 40 / 100 instead of 4 / 10? Or 0.4 ._. 20180828 17:31:09<+wesdiscordbot> To make the maths more transparent to people who can't do maths. Like me. 20180828 17:32:17<+wesdiscordbot> wheh 20180828 17:32:23<+wesdiscordbot> Anyway, my army is cool. 20180828 17:32:35<+wesdiscordbot> Even with an Elvish Avenger! 20180828 17:33:06<+wesdiscordbot> Somewhere out there someone completed IftU with Galas having every single item he could possibly obtain. 20180828 17:33:13<+wesdiscordbot> Just saying. 20180828 17:33:16<+wesdiscordbot> why are we arguing about armies when Mal Keshar is practically the MVP? 20180828 17:33:27<+wesdiscordbot> I'd have done that too. 20180828 17:33:33<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, me too 20180828 17:33:44<+wesdiscordbot> But Galas without berserk potion just isn't worth drain potion and the following items. 20180828 17:33:52<+wesdiscordbot> I'm a firm believer in equal distribution of power. 20180828 17:34:20<+wesdiscordbot> Mostly because relying on a single unit to do all the work for everyone else means the others are doomed if that unit somehow can't get to them in time. 20180828 17:34:31<+wesdiscordbot> thats why i max out my units 20180828 17:34:35<+wesdiscordbot> so they can do well on their own without the MVP 20180828 17:34:37<+wesdiscordbot> So am I. That led me to being unable to win the last scenario in Genesis. ._. 20180828 17:34:44<+wesdiscordbot> Blame Yumi. 20180828 17:34:45<+wesdiscordbot> then you give a unit clairvoyance to solve that problem 20180828 17:34:45<+wesdiscordbot> hehe 20180828 17:34:47<+wesdiscordbot> that wasnt too hard actually imo 20180828 17:34:56<+wesdiscordbot> it seemed rather scary but it wasnt as hard as i was expecting 20180828 17:35:01<+wesdiscordbot> i completed it on my first try even 20180828 17:35:04<+wesdiscordbot> I still haven't played the current incarnation Genesis so no spoilerinos for me. 20180828 17:35:11<+wesdiscordbot> ok 20180828 17:35:12<+wesdiscordbot> The enemy is strong. 20180828 17:35:20<+wesdiscordbot> well, i recommend it overall, its very nice 20180828 17:35:24<+wesdiscordbot> VYNLT, I think it's because you played it on easy 20180828 17:35:24<+wesdiscordbot> I can guess what it looks like though. 20180828 17:35:30<+wesdiscordbot> pretty stable too, only noticed one bug and again, just a minor onea 20180828 17:35:33<+wesdiscordbot> Konrad2 played it on hard 20180828 17:35:34<+wesdiscordbot> and true 20180828 17:35:35<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20180828 17:35:47<+wesdiscordbot> hard mode is usually at least 4-5 times harder than easy 20180828 17:35:53<+wesdiscordbot> if you look at gold values 20180828 17:35:55<+wesdiscordbot> and spawms 20180828 17:35:57<+wesdiscordbot> spawns 20180828 17:35:58<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, true 20180828 17:36:00<+wesdiscordbot> Awww I deleted the screenshot I had of an early version of Genesis scenario 4 or so. 20180828 17:36:04<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20180828 17:36:05<+wesdiscordbot> rip 20180828 17:36:09<+wesdiscordbot> SHHHHHHH 20180828 17:36:10<+wesdiscordbot> i was interested to see how Genesis used to be like 20180828 17:36:12<+wesdiscordbot> NOBODY CAN KNOW ABOUT THAT 20180828 17:36:38<+wesdiscordbot> Gold values are not that important. The absolute strenght of that boss is just sad for me though. 😦 20180828 17:36:49<+wesdiscordbot> Found it 20180828 17:36:55<+wesdiscordbot> PLS 20180828 17:36:59<+wesdiscordbot> I mean really. I'd need 6 more advancements overall. xD 20180828 17:37:05<+wesdiscordbot> Yumi subjected me to this: 20180828 17:37:06<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484053823355093003/unknown.png 20180828 17:37:10<+wesdiscordbot> That's like...er. 2000 xp? 20180828 17:37:13<+wesdiscordbot> on easy mode the boss loses a ton of hp at the very start 20180828 17:37:17<+wesdiscordbot> Every green unit is an enemy demon. 20180828 17:37:27<+wesdiscordbot> depends on your advances, probably around 3000 20180828 17:37:29<+wesdiscordbot> Blue is ghostthings 20180828 17:37:32<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484053936773529600/unknown.png 20180828 17:37:37<+wesdiscordbot> LOLOLLOOLOLOLOL 20180828 17:37:43<+wesdiscordbot> :run: 20180828 17:37:46<+wesdiscordbot> I actually played this until my units died. 20180828 17:37:47<+wesdiscordbot> Oh. Purple is ghost. 20180828 17:38:00<+wesdiscordbot> Just to prove a point. 20180828 17:38:13<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think she changed that part though? 20180828 17:38:24<+wesdiscordbot> that version was never released 20180828 17:38:41<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah Yumi fixed that shortly afterwards and had me play the scenario again. 20180828 17:38:50<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20180828 17:38:51<+wesdiscordbot> my 20180828 17:38:52<+wesdiscordbot> god 20180828 17:38:52<+wesdiscordbot> But the realeased version doesn't have a very different spawnrate no? 20180828 17:38:57<+wesdiscordbot> IT DOES 20180828 17:39:01<+wesdiscordbot> 'had me play' 20180828 17:39:06<+wesdiscordbot> it was voluntary! 20180828 17:39:12<+wesdiscordbot> uhhh, its definetly fixed 20180828 17:39:14<+wesdiscordbot> 'had me play' 20180828 17:39:15<+wesdiscordbot> tho again, EASY MODE here 20180828 17:39:27<+wesdiscordbot> (actually ,what mode were you on, shadow? when you played this) 20180828 17:39:34<+wesdiscordbot> Normal 20180828 17:39:37<+wesdiscordbot> k 20180828 17:39:43<+wesdiscordbot> shadowm is a lot better at balancing 20180828 17:39:48<+wesdiscordbot> Normal is the new hard! 20180828 17:39:49<+wesdiscordbot> I always play on whatever the Normal difficulty equivalent is. 20180828 17:39:49<+wesdiscordbot> xD 20180828 17:39:52<+wesdiscordbot> well, she takes more care on it 20180828 17:40:23<+wesdiscordbot> What Yumi means I just play on Normal and throw random numbers at players for Easy and Hard. 20180828 17:40:36<+wesdiscordbot> better than me 20180828 17:40:38<+wesdiscordbot> That does sound accurate actually... 20180828 17:40:39<+wesdiscordbot> I just throw random numbers period 20180828 17:40:54<+wesdiscordbot> Well, my numbers aren't completely random. I scale them according to difficulty. 20180828 17:40:55<+wesdiscordbot> Time to update the AtS suggestion. 20180828 17:41:20<+wesdiscordbot> what suggestion/ 20180828 17:41:29<+wesdiscordbot> Some unit spawns or bits of gameplay logic are also disabled or enabled depending on difficulty. 20180828 17:41:50<+wesdiscordbot> as for balancing, i never tried it before, but i try to stick to the standard wesnoth balance, as in, use mainline units as a reference 20180828 17:41:52<+wesdiscordbot> that helps a lot imo 20180828 17:41:58<+wesdiscordbot> How to make a scenario harder. 😄 20180828 17:42:22<+wesdiscordbot> e.g. there's a specific bit in IftU S23B that does not happen at all on Easy. 20180828 17:42:33<+wesdiscordbot> Although one of the consequences is forced at the end of the scenario anyway. 20180828 17:43:27<+wesdiscordbot> specific bit that doesnt happen on easy/ 20180828 17:43:30<+wesdiscordbot> ? 20180828 17:43:39<+wesdiscordbot> i assume something to make things harder? 20180828 17:43:49<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, although it involves some dialogue. 20180828 17:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> It's a bit of a curveball, hence it's skipped on Easy. 20180828 17:44:34<+wesdiscordbot> (Although the impact it has depends a lot on what items you have given to which units.) 20180828 17:44:39<+wesdiscordbot> k 20180828 17:45:11<+wesdiscordbot> The all-zombies-go-poof event also doesn't happen on Easy. 20180828 17:45:38<+wesdiscordbot> It's actually all-level-0-and-level-1-undead-go-poof. 20180828 17:46:08<+wesdiscordbot> And on Hard it includes level 2 undead on the off chance that the player somehow has a level 2 undead by that point (which is extremely unlikely if they're playing on Hard anyway). 20180828 17:46:55<+wesdiscordbot> necromancers, Mal Keshar, shydes, marshal Galas, spectres = best squad 20180828 17:47:15<+wesdiscordbot> can't have people bringing the dead fish to the final battle, that would be too overpowered 🐟 20180828 17:47:26<+wesdiscordbot> 🐠 20180828 17:47:36<+wesdiscordbot> I should've added an easter egg somewhere for that. 20180828 17:48:07<+wesdiscordbot> "If you somehow finished this campaign with an undead fishman in your recall list, you're entitled to a free bag of cookies" 20180828 17:48:41<+wesdiscordbot> plot twist: Yumi shows up out of nowhere and says "you failed to bring me cookies" 20180828 17:48:54<+wesdiscordbot> Oh Yumi already shows up. 20180828 17:49:01<+wesdiscordbot> nah I baked cookies yesterday 20180828 17:49:10<+wesdiscordbot> And you presumably killed them before the end of the relevant scenario. 20180828 17:49:12<+wesdiscordbot> i meant the character 20180828 17:49:23<+wesdiscordbot> that would be out of character 20180828 17:49:26<+wesdiscordbot> she wouldn't say anything 20180828 17:49:30<+wesdiscordbot> "........................................." 20180828 17:49:31<+wesdiscordbot> just kinda look at you 20180828 17:49:31<+wesdiscordbot> Aryel then? 20180828 17:49:39<+wesdiscordbot> Aryel would beat you up 20180828 17:49:40<+wesdiscordbot> LOL 20180828 17:49:45<+wesdiscordbot> yea 20180828 17:49:50<+wesdiscordbot> because you didnt bring cookies 20180828 17:50:13<+wesdiscordbot> maybe I can pull the ol Delfador's Memoirs 20180828 17:50:16<+wesdiscordbot> and do faces in dialogue 20180828 17:50:20<+wesdiscordbot> "=_=" 20180828 17:50:25<+wesdiscordbot> . . 20180828 17:50:27<+wesdiscordbot> o o 20180828 17:50:29<+wesdiscordbot> O O 20180828 17:50:30<+wesdiscordbot> hahahaha 20180828 17:50:34<+wesdiscordbot> wait that happens? 20180828 17:50:38<+wesdiscordbot> (havent played Delfador's memoirs) 20180828 17:50:39<+wesdiscordbot> I pictured Yumi would be more like ._. 20180828 17:50:42<+wesdiscordbot> yea 20180828 17:50:49<+wesdiscordbot> The very first scenario. 20180828 17:50:50<+wesdiscordbot> if she doesn't get cookies she's more like u_u 20180828 17:50:50<+wesdiscordbot> That's a TLU classic, isn't it? 20180828 17:50:53<+wesdiscordbot> It's a cutscene. 20180828 17:50:59<+wesdiscordbot> . w . 20180828 17:51:01<+wesdiscordbot> o w o 20180828 17:51:04<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0891/8314/products/Poker_Face_Die_C_4fedc859b8b66_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1459067191 Yumi 20180828 17:51:05<+wesdiscordbot> O w O 20180828 17:51:06<+wesdiscordbot> this is Yumi 20180828 17:51:07<+wesdiscordbot> INKY 20180828 17:51:09<+wesdiscordbot> WHA 20180828 17:51:14<+wesdiscordbot> Delfador's memoirs anime version 😄 20180828 17:51:16<+wesdiscordbot> the character i mean 20180828 17:51:18<+wesdiscordbot> uhh 20180828 17:51:25<+wesdiscordbot> didnt Wesnoth use to have an anime-ish artstyle before 20180828 17:51:47<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah and some people are really passionate about that. 20180828 17:51:50<+wesdiscordbot> get an old version, get the artwork, do a parody of A Cruel Angel's Thesis (the Neon Genesis Evangelion opening) with Wesnoth 20180828 17:51:54<+wesdiscordbot> i like the new artstyle tbh 20180828 17:52:15<+wesdiscordbot> i can see why the old one is memorable (heck, my first experience with Wesnoth had that artstyle), but i like the new one 20180828 17:52:20<+wesdiscordbot> ah and make the last scenarios blank screens with random existential dialogue 20180828 17:52:31<+wesdiscordbot> Lol 20180828 17:52:51<+wesdiscordbot> That jab at Yumi. XD 20180828 17:53:02<+wesdiscordbot> Didn't see that coming. 20180828 17:53:13<+wesdiscordbot> im not done yet 20180828 17:53:14<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20180828 17:53:23<+wesdiscordbot> nahhh I don't think Inky has played my campaign 20180828 17:53:27<+wesdiscordbot> or has she 🤔 20180828 17:53:50<+wesdiscordbot> i haven't yet, i've been planning to for a while but too many campaigns to play haha 20180828 17:53:56<+wesdiscordbot> you should, its really good, trust me 20180828 17:54:00<+wesdiscordbot> i completed it 20180828 17:54:17<+wesdiscordbot> too bad work on the second one is on hold right now 20180828 17:54:21<+wesdiscordbot> I blame shadowm for not drawing me sprites 20180828 17:54:22<+wesdiscordbot> ouch 20180828 17:54:47<+wesdiscordbot> jk, real reason is I have to study for exams :p 20180828 17:55:09<+wesdiscordbot> but it's okay, you can play IftU in the meantime 20180828 17:55:10<+wesdiscordbot> Oh yeah I need to finish those two sprites. 20180828 17:56:39<+wesdiscordbot> hm 20180828 17:56:49<+wesdiscordbot> also here's the jab i was talking about earlier 20180828 17:56:49<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/484058787355951104/yumi.png 20180828 17:57:07<+wesdiscordbot> :< 20180828 17:57:09<+wesdiscordbot> truly a work of art 20180828 17:58:09<+wesdiscordbot> ahhh so many things to do 20180828 17:58:15<+wesdiscordbot> write code, music, animate this sprite 20180828 17:58:33<+wesdiscordbot> id say you shouldnt focus on animating sprites yet 20180828 17:58:39<+wesdiscordbot> sure, it does help with the visuals but still 20180828 17:58:44<+wesdiscordbot> it's more for learning 20180828 17:58:46<+wesdiscordbot> for whatever upcoming campaign i have in mind- 20180828 17:58:47<+wesdiscordbot> ah ok 20180828 17:59:02<+wesdiscordbot> the first few base frames I drew were kinda crappy 20180828 17:59:09<+wesdiscordbot> but I learned a lot after animating a few sprites 20180828 17:59:14<+wesdiscordbot> im not good at animating lol 20180828 17:59:23<+wesdiscordbot> so now they look bad, but not absolute garbage :p 20180828 18:16:18<+wesdiscordbot> Satsuki Kiryuin Theme / Kill la Kill Sounds like a great battle theme for wesnoth. 20180828 18:20:47<+wesdiscordbot> it'd probably be like more battle music I think 20180828 18:22:44<+wesdiscordbot> Probably but do i know. 20180828 18:28:01<+wesdiscordbot> How does the script work in wesnoth that chooses which units to recruit? 20180828 18:43:08-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 18:45:16-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 18:54:23-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x4e32c084.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 18:55:38-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180828 18:57:36-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 19:35:18-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20180828 20:57:28-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180828 21:38:51-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180828 21:44:32<+wesdiscordbot> If I understand it correctly units have 'types'. And the ai has a specified recruitment pattern regarding those types. It's written somewhere in the WML of the scenario. 20180828 22:14:27<+wesdiscordbot> Recruitment patters are a setting for the AI, which is very often used in mainline 20180828 22:14:40<+wesdiscordbot> besides that: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/AI_Recruitment 20180828 22:34:32-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180828 22:35:32<+wesdiscordbot> You mean like the unit usage types? Fighter, archer, healer and mixed fighter? 20180828 22:58:36<+wesdiscordbot> yes. and the 5th one is scout. The Ai has some extra considerations for scouts too 20180828 23:52:45-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Wed Aug 29 00:00:29 2018