--- Log opened Sat Sep 08 00:00:18 2018 20180908 00:26:16-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20180908 01:45:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 01:45:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 01:53:59-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 01:54:05-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 01:59:15-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@xd5278b71.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 02:00:01< gfgtdf> does anyone knows what is supposed to happen when i cann wesnoth.dofile with a directory name instead of a filename ? 20180908 02:00:38< gfgtdf> it somehow doesnt give an error, and i ahve found an addons code that does this and i don't know why it does that. 20180908 02:08:33<+wesdiscordbot> ask celmin 20180908 02:09:45< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: maybe you know ? 20180908 02:16:42<+wesdiscordbot> he was the one that implemented it 20180908 02:20:02< mattsc> gfgtdf: I don’t know the answer to this question, but did you see my answer to the multi-leader AI bug? 20180908 02:20:21< mattsc> Well, my comment, rather than answer. 20180908 02:26:11< gfgtdf> yes i saw, i ws on my pohnoe though and im not so fast at writing techincal stuff with my phone. so i didint anser yet 20180908 02:26:20< gfgtdf> hopfully i didnt forget it by tomowwor 20180908 02:26:47< mattsc> no worries 20180908 02:27:04< mattsc> just wondering if you had any immediate comments to discuss 20180908 02:27:28< mattsc> As I said, I think one solution would be to not move off the keep for other leaders on the same side. 20180908 02:37:05< gfgtdf> mattsc: yes unfort the calculate_moves function has no flag to skip own units but i think its possibel to implement that 20180908 02:38:07-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@xd5278b71.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180908 02:51:14-!- irker049 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20180908 04:01:18-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 04:01:24-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 05:43:48-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 05:43:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 06:08:37-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 07:29:13<+wesdiscordbot> @mattsc And you don't have problem with wesnoth 1.14 which also includes this flag? 20180908 07:52:25<+wesdiscordbot> So, hopefully I'm not stepping on any nerves with this, but what is the plan for getting master to be playable again? It's been the way it is for a while now. 20180908 07:58:40<+wesdiscordbot> I have no plan. 20180908 08:01:50<+wesdiscordbot> huh 20180908 08:02:37<+wesdiscordbot> I said months ago I didn’t know how to proceed. The problem is too complex for me. 20180908 08:05:29<+wesdiscordbot> If I could figure out how to implement virtual mouse Raytracing or whatever the proper solution is to ensure clicks on the UI are processed by the UI and not the map, I could implement the new game UI in short order and we could proceed to the more complex stuff like OGL, texture caches, spritesheets, etc. 20180908 08:06:10<+wesdiscordbot> But I don’t know how to properly unify the event handling systems without doing a complete rewrite 20180908 08:06:20<+wesdiscordbot> So we’re stuck. 20180908 08:07:18<+wesdiscordbot> I had hoped 1.16 would be a 1 year target, but at this rate it’s a 5 year target. Or possibly an impossible target. 20180908 08:08:14<+wesdiscordbot> Too much refactoring and too many improvements have already been made on master to roll them back (and without them we’d just be left with 1.14), so basically further development is completely stalled until someone can figure out this giant mess. 20180908 08:08:33<+wesdiscordbot> I for one am currently busy with some web development work 20180908 08:10:43<+wesdiscordbot> alright, thanks 20180908 08:14:04< zookeeper> well, if master is potentially a lost cause then starting over with it is basically the only option. copy master over to another branch, reset master to where 1.14 is now, then safe master-only commits can be cherry-picked over to it. 20180908 08:14:15< zookeeper> (for example, i suppose) 20180908 09:22:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 09:56:01<+wesdiscordbot> not worth it 20180908 10:01:05< zookeeper> it's obviously worth it if master would otherwise stay in an unreleasable state literally forever, which you seemed to think of as a possibility. it's not worth it if things do get fixed somehow, but apparently no one knows whether that'll happen or not. 20180908 10:02:38<+wesdiscordbot> So, tell me, what do you intend to implement when master is in a “usable” state? 20180908 10:03:23<+wesdiscordbot> You barely work on the engine. You have absolutely zero reason to need master in a releasable state. 20180908 10:05:43< zookeeper> i don't see any reason why you'd assume i was implying i personally needed master in a releasable state. i personally don't need master in a releasable state. 20180908 10:08:58<+wesdiscordbot> there are things being put in master only though. so if master is permanently unreleasable, everyone who commits to master is essentially wasting their time. 20180908 10:14:38-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20180908 10:38:46<+wesdiscordbot> I spent hundreds of hours over months on the changes, refactors, and fixes that are in master. 20180908 10:38:58<+wesdiscordbot> Now you want to toss all that in a feature branch to rot. 20180908 10:40:42<+wesdiscordbot> Pent at least has a point 20180908 10:40:51<+wesdiscordbot> But it's definitely I who have wasted the most time in that case. 20180908 10:41:02<+wesdiscordbot> Zookeeper barely commits anything. 20180908 10:41:45<+wesdiscordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/3126, from MAY, is still awaiting his review. 20180908 10:53:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 11:15:36-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 11:15:42-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 12:51:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 12:54:20-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 13:04:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 13:11:23<+wesdiscordbot> @hrubymar10 I just pulled and compiled 1.14 and do not have the problem there. 20180908 13:32:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 13:32:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 13:49:39-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 13:49:45-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 14:07:00-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180908 14:12:19-!- irker088 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 14:12:19< irker088> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Wedge009 6772682b7c Merge pull request #3473 from jostephd/H AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180908 15:25:35< irker088> wesnoth: Rikard Falkeborn wesnoth:master cc98bcd9d015 / src/generators/default_map_generator_job.cpp: Bugfix generate random map unique names https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/cc98bcd9d015a852dbec2053f300ce4682c4765d 20180908 15:28:39< irker088> wesnoth: Rikard Falkeborn wesnoth:1.14 12f560d4952c / src/generators/default_map_generator_job.cpp: Bugfix generate random map unique names https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/12f560d4952c9af57d941fc551a82d01a22e5fd6 20180908 15:41:50-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 15:46:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180908 16:00:09-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has quit [Quit: bye] 20180908 16:04:31-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180908 16:12:22<+wesdiscordbot> @Vultraz I guess my stance on this then would depend on exactly what the options are and how things are likely to go. If how to solve this is beyond the knowledge of everyone who's currently actively contributing to Wesnoth, and we'd essentially be waiting for a new developer to join who does know how to fix it, then to me that is as good as there indefinitely not being a 1.15.0, which to me sounds as good as saying 20180908 16:12:22<+wesdiscordbot> that the project is either dead or doomed to die a slow death unless a small miracle happens. In this case, a new master branch is needed, even if it wouldn't contain the massive overhauls and improvements that are currently in master, especially given, for example, Sinda's iOS PR1 that I'd assume would be easier to forward port without all the refactorings and that GL has said he's not touching master until it's in a usable 20180908 16:12:23<+wesdiscordbot> state. On the other hand, if it's something that you or jyrkive or someone else would be able to solve at some point when you're less busy, then, well, master's already been unplayable this long. 20180908 16:15:47<+wesdiscordbot> ie: you mentioned "I don’t know how to properly unify the event handling systems without doing a complete rewrite" - is that an actual potential solution, or something that would take too much effort to ever be feasible? 20180908 16:23:02-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 16:23:42-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has quit [Client Quit] 20180908 16:35:47-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 16:35:53-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 17:26:19-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 17:40:34-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180908 17:48:10-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 17:48:16-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 18:28:49-!- irker088 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20180908 18:42:55-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 20:54:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 20:55:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 21:06:40-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 21:06:46-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 21:15:08-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 21:57:31-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20180908 22:08:33-!- irker623 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 22:08:33< irker623> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 59e78e556593 / / (25 files in 7 dirs): Move wmlxgettext to the data/tools directory so that it's automatically included https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/59e78e556593cea7650998611640aeff3a6b288f 20180908 22:08:33< irker623> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:1.14 1f4f1a366f4b / / (25 files in 7 dirs): Move wmlxgettext to the data/tools directory so that it's automatically included https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1f4f1a366f4b8accec31a6a93a301e46b8dce7c4 20180908 22:11:35< irker623> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Rikard Falkeborn cc98bcd9d0 Bugfix generate random map unique names AppVeyor: All builds passed 20180908 22:43:27-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180908 22:45:20-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 23:04:47-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 23:32:58-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20180908 23:36:26-!- mkdroid [~null@unaffiliated/matthiaskrgr] has quit [Client Quit] --- Log closed Sun Sep 09 00:00:20 2018