--- Log opened Thu Sep 06 00:00:15 2018 20180906 00:05:54-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180906 00:10:54-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180906 00:11:00-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 00:24:47-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20180906 00:44:19-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p5DCC6AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.] 20180906 01:19:26-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180906 01:24:09-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 02:33:21<+wesdiscordbot> the beetle for weznoth 😮 20180906 03:08:08-!- celmin|sleep [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: KABOOM! It seems that I have exploded. Please wait while I reinstall the universe.] 20180906 03:55:30<+wesdiscordbot> I started working on that string quartet arrangement of the Elvish Theme @Inky , here is what I have so far 20180906 03:55:30<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/487108554931699737/Elvish_Theme_String_Quartet.mp3 20180906 03:55:51<+wesdiscordbot> Sorry for the poor sounding string samples haha 20180906 03:56:29<+wesdiscordbot> Also it's a little bit too fast, but the original is fairly rubato anyway 20180906 04:00:54<+wesdiscordbot> adding some dynamics in that would be nice 20180906 04:01:26<+wesdiscordbot> though you could probably just play it 😮 20180906 04:05:35<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, it's in musescore, so nice dynamics aren't the easiest to do 20180906 04:05:52<+wesdiscordbot> But yeah, the plan is to actually record it, with dynamics/rubato 20180906 04:24:26<+wesdiscordbot> wow that's great!!! sounds just like the piece, that's amazing!! I can't wait 😄 20180906 04:33:06<+wesdiscordbot> Needs more of a jazzy-ish swing I think 20180906 04:33:31<+wesdiscordbot> like that delay thing, you know what I mean? sorry I don't know music theory xD 20180906 04:33:39<+wesdiscordbot> It is beautiful 20180906 04:35:52<+wesdiscordbot> what 20180906 04:35:57<+wesdiscordbot> a jazzy elvish theme? 20180906 04:36:00<+wesdiscordbot> 🤔 20180906 04:36:22<+wesdiscordbot> XD I just mean like more of a delay between the third played note and the fourth played note 20180906 04:36:44<+wesdiscordbot> o_o 20180906 04:36:44<+wesdiscordbot> the trolls should have a rock theme 20180906 04:36:50<+wesdiscordbot> :run: 20180906 04:37:10<+wesdiscordbot> swing is basically triplets 20180906 04:37:14<+wesdiscordbot> ohh 20180906 04:37:19<+wesdiscordbot> with the first two eighths combined into a quarter note 20180906 04:37:30<+wesdiscordbot> so I don't think that would make sense? 20180906 04:37:46<+wesdiscordbot> you'd be changing the rhythm completely 20180906 04:38:05<+wesdiscordbot> I think it's rubato in this case, not syncopation 20180906 04:38:20<+wesdiscordbot> since wesnoth is romantic era, that makes the most sense yah 20180906 04:38:33<+wesdiscordbot> although beethoven did use syncopation in his music already 20180906 04:38:38<+wesdiscordbot> 🤷 20180906 04:39:55<+wesdiscordbot> I meant a delay longer than a quarter note.. i think.. xP 20180906 04:40:04<+wesdiscordbot> and more improvised 20180906 04:40:41<+wesdiscordbot> best if you can play what you mean 20180906 04:40:51<+wesdiscordbot> no idea what kind of rhythm you're talking about tbh :p 20180906 04:42:18<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krCtthS0zro I compared it to this and the one on youtube has more of like 20180906 04:42:22<+wesdiscordbot> i dont know how to describe xD 20180906 04:42:30<+wesdiscordbot> less methodical 20180906 04:42:33<+wesdiscordbot> in the rhythm 20180906 04:42:45<+wesdiscordbot> yah so that's what violin person was talking about 20180906 04:42:47<+wesdiscordbot> rubato 20180906 04:42:52<+wesdiscordbot> Ahh xD 20180906 04:42:54<+wesdiscordbot> which is not adhering strictly to the beat 20180906 04:42:57<+wesdiscordbot> right 20180906 04:42:58<+wesdiscordbot> YES 20180906 04:43:01<+wesdiscordbot> thats exactly what I meant xD 20180906 04:43:20<+wesdiscordbot> sorry for the confusions... 20180906 04:43:25<+wesdiscordbot> also real musicians will not use such a crisp attack on all the notes 20180906 04:43:40<+wesdiscordbot> as you hear in the musescore 20180906 04:44:16<+wesdiscordbot> string instruments actually have some of the softest attacks of any instruments 20180906 04:45:25<+wesdiscordbot> TROMBONE!!! ❤ ❤ 20180906 04:45:29<+wesdiscordbot> Loudest wind instrument ) 20180906 04:45:40<+wesdiscordbot> I swing that shit at marching band and pep bands xD 20180906 04:45:42<+wesdiscordbot> that's brass though o_o 20180906 04:45:53<+wesdiscordbot> Yes, it is wind/brass 20180906 04:46:33<+wesdiscordbot> I was just saying it has harsh attacks cuz you said string instruments have soft attacks XD 20180906 04:48:23<+wesdiscordbot> mhmm 20180906 04:48:44<+wesdiscordbot> string instruments having soft attacks is false, the larger ones have a crushing impact attack 😄 20180906 04:48:56<+wesdiscordbot> I should've said can, not that they always do :p 20180906 04:50:08<+wesdiscordbot> 8-3 impact 20180906 04:51:13<+wesdiscordbot> bass drum: 32-1 impact 20180906 04:51:24<+wesdiscordbot> xD 20180906 04:53:32<+wesdiscordbot> piano: 70-1 impact 20180906 04:53:56<+wesdiscordbot> depends how you play it :< 20180906 04:54:33<+wesdiscordbot> i was more referring to it getting dropped on someone 😄 20180906 04:54:42<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20180906 04:54:48<+wesdiscordbot> organ: 700-1 20180906 04:55:03<+wesdiscordbot> o.OOO xDDDDD 20180906 04:55:13<+wesdiscordbot> viola: 0-0 20180906 04:55:16<+wesdiscordbot> HEY 20180906 04:55:25<+wesdiscordbot> everyone always so mean to the violas 😦 20180906 04:55:31<+wesdiscordbot> and basses 😦 20180906 04:55:43<+wesdiscordbot> I mainly do it to fit in, I secretly really like the viola timbre 20180906 04:55:55<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20180906 04:56:03<+wesdiscordbot> me too, it is like a baby cello 😄 20180906 04:56:45<+wesdiscordbot> wait I lied, jazz bands use bass 20180906 04:56:52<+wesdiscordbot> so not everyone mean to basses 20180906 04:59:03<+wesdiscordbot> what about the singers of junky minecraft parodies and stuff that can't even be understood...? xD 20180906 04:59:13<+wesdiscordbot> like that are intentionally made bad xD 20180906 04:59:33<+wesdiscordbot> you'll have to ask shadowm about that 20180906 04:59:34<+wesdiscordbot> :p 20180906 04:59:44<+wesdiscordbot> xD because she plays minecraft? :P 20180906 05:00:06<+wesdiscordbot> possibly 20180906 05:00:18<+wesdiscordbot> Is that your reasoning? 20180906 05:00:35<+wesdiscordbot> maybeh 20180906 05:00:48<+wesdiscordbot> sorry, i am so confused... xD 20180906 05:01:32<+wesdiscordbot> does shadowm sing or something?? 20180906 05:01:43<+wesdiscordbot> that would be cool :o 20180906 05:01:45<+wesdiscordbot> I'm prtty sure she doesn't 20180906 05:01:49<+wesdiscordbot> oh lol xD 20180906 05:04:05-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 05:26:20<+wesdiscordbot> @Inky What is the highest note you can comfortably play? 20180906 05:26:45<+wesdiscordbot> F4? 20180906 05:27:19<+wesdiscordbot> (in bass clef) 20180906 05:27:19<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/487131659171266561/2018-09-06-152640_1920x1080_scrot.png 20180906 05:54:43-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 05:58:46-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 06:02:15<+wesdiscordbot> @here hello guys! 20180906 06:02:32<+wesdiscordbot> any news on the iPhone version update? :c 20180906 06:04:06-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.49-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180906 06:10:27<+wesdiscordbot> forums should be place to check on that 20180906 06:16:37<+wesdiscordbot> or maybe sinda can give you some info on it 🤷 20180906 06:49:12-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 07:37:45-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 08:14:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180906 08:17:53-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180906 09:27:23<+wesdiscordbot> yo 20180906 10:24:27-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180906 10:24:33-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 10:30:25<+wesdiscordbot> Arrangement almost done: 20180906 10:30:25<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/487207939384279040/Elvish_Theme-string_quartet.mp3 20180906 10:30:28<+wesdiscordbot> All that is left is to double check that I haven't missed any major parts and add in some little bits in the held notes 20180906 10:31:00<+wesdiscordbot> But the whole song is in there 20180906 11:48:42<+wesdiscordbot> I think wesnoth is a cool game, just the custom "ladder" feature is stupid. 20180906 11:50:01<+wesdiscordbot> Some pvp players like Cackfiend has little to no sportsmanship and makes you feel bad for just finding some fun in vs AI games. 20180906 11:54:06<+wesdiscordbot> Good thing the ladder isn't even part of the game huh 20180906 11:58:54<+wesdiscordbot> I know it is not official, but the influence of these people are toxicating the community. 20180906 12:09:45<+wesdiscordbot> @Violin-Person i found that 20180906 12:09:52<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-7CAtZr7Q0 "City Falls" 20180906 12:10:16<+wesdiscordbot> is by far the best wesnoth track for interpretation by other instruments 20180906 12:10:36<+wesdiscordbot> it has exactly the right kind of catchy theme 20180906 12:11:41<+wesdiscordbot> also 20180906 12:11:56<+wesdiscordbot> im drunk, who wants to play? 20180906 12:12:17<+wesdiscordbot> Are you ok with someone who isn't very good? 20180906 12:13:32<+wesdiscordbot> Or would you prefer someone who has played a bit before? 20180906 12:14:00<+wesdiscordbot> i'm okay with someone who isn't very good 20180906 12:14:27<+wesdiscordbot> Cool, my in game name is "Coagulopathy" 20180906 12:14:45<+wesdiscordbot> join 20180906 12:35:37-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20180906 12:43:42<+wesdiscordbot> Sorry, I suck a lot haha 20180906 12:43:51<+wesdiscordbot> It's my first time playing online 20180906 12:45:08<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20180906 12:46:10<+wesdiscordbot> to be fair, undead vs drakes is perhaps the most "specialized" matchup that there is 20180906 12:46:38<+wesdiscordbot> Sorry for being quite nooby haha 20180906 12:46:45<+wesdiscordbot> you have to completely avoid the other side while it is their favoring Time of Day 20180906 12:46:50<+wesdiscordbot> I had a lot of gold in the bank 20180906 12:47:00<+wesdiscordbot> But my mistake was running away from the keep in the night so I couldn't do anything with it 20180906 12:47:09<+wesdiscordbot> Come morning I was in a bad position and couldn't really get back 20180906 12:48:09<+wesdiscordbot> I think I'll practice against AI for a bit before I try online again 20180906 12:48:32<+wesdiscordbot> >_> practicing vs AI gives you almost nothing 20180906 12:48:47<+wesdiscordbot> if you are affraid of embarrasment; just create another account! 20180906 12:49:09<+wesdiscordbot> playing against humans is the only way to gain skill at all, past a certain very basic level 20180906 12:49:35<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah true, I think I'll read some guides on the wiki and try again another day 20180906 12:49:36<+wesdiscordbot> it is better to create more accounts, than to play against AIO 20180906 12:49:37-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180906 12:49:43<+wesdiscordbot> It's fairly late here so I'll probably go to sleep soon 20180906 12:50:13<+wesdiscordbot> the AI is very primitive, at this time 20180906 12:53:16<+wesdiscordbot> Having seen the code, I wouldn't call it primitive by any means. For example, it tends to simulate a lot of possible future battles. 20180906 12:53:42<+wesdiscordbot> It's just that there is pretty much no way for any AI to reach the level of human players in a game as complex as Wesnoth. 20180906 12:54:00<+wesdiscordbot> Except maybe machine learning 20180906 12:55:20<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive it is primitive, at least, in the sense that it thinks 1 turn ahead 20180906 12:55:41<+wesdiscordbot> in contrast, a competent chess AI thinks 20 turns ahead 20180906 12:56:00<+wesdiscordbot> of course, a single chess turn is much simpler 20180906 12:56:10<+wesdiscordbot> still 20180906 12:56:29<+wesdiscordbot> Wesnoth has much higher branching factor than chess. 20180906 12:56:35<+wesdiscordbot> yes, i know 20180906 12:57:06<+wesdiscordbot> There are way more possible game states, the AI doesn't have perfect information, and because of randomness there are multiple possible outcomes for the same actions. 20180906 12:57:14<+wesdiscordbot> i know i know 20180906 12:57:35<+wesdiscordbot> but still - 1 turn vs 20 turns 20180906 12:58:02<+wesdiscordbot> A chess engine can look at a couple dozen million possible future game states. For Wesnoth, doing the same thing would only be enough to see a couple of turns forward. 20180906 12:58:16<+wesdiscordbot> wouldn't 1 move is wesnoth be more equivalent to 1 turn in chess? 20180906 12:58:20<+wesdiscordbot> *in 20180906 12:58:24<+wesdiscordbot> it cannot see a SINGLE turn forward, though 20180906 13:01:10<+wesdiscordbot> @Violin-Person yeah F4 is easily in range. The arrangement sounds great!! 20180906 13:01:23<+wesdiscordbot> 🎻 20180906 13:02:07<+wesdiscordbot> Awesome, I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of recording it 20180906 13:02:40<+wesdiscordbot> I was thinking since I'll be playing the violin parts and (most likely) the viola part, I should record those first, and then send you that to record to? 20180906 13:04:07<+wesdiscordbot> okay sounds good 😃 20180906 13:06:16<+wesdiscordbot> Yey, exciting 20180906 13:06:47<+wesdiscordbot> I'm gonna head to sleep, I'll let you know when the parts are all recorded 20180906 13:12:28<+wesdiscordbot> I wonder if @skeptical_troll wants to play with us, he plays violin too 🤔 20180906 13:12:38<+wesdiscordbot> this is going to be awesome! 😎 20180906 14:15:51<+wesdiscordbot> hey @Inky , the wesnoth minstrels are back?? What's the plan? 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Aside from strings 20180906 23:41:55<+wesdiscordbot> I think I heard ocarina? And maybe trumpet? 20180906 23:42:19<+wesdiscordbot> and yumi plays piano, and I think Cord does as well? 20180906 23:42:26<+wesdiscordbot> we should start a forum thread 😄 20180906 23:42:29<+wesdiscordbot> Any flutes? 20180906 23:42:49<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah I was thinking we could open up elvish theme for any other string players as well 20180906 23:43:18<+wesdiscordbot> But I'd at least like to have a "template mix" that has every part in it already 20180906 23:43:32<+wesdiscordbot> So with you, skeptical troll and I 20180906 23:44:23<+wesdiscordbot> Next song will depend on what instruments are available, and how the first one goes :P 20180906 23:59:31-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Sep 07 00:00:17 2018