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ZZZzzz…] 20180927 08:17:32<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm (Mount) 20180927 08:19:35<+wesdiscordbot> (And selective sandstorm) 20180927 08:21:19<+wesdiscordbot> (Also, selective grudges of Errant Souls xD) 20180927 09:07:23-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180927 09:07:35-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 10:43:44-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 11:44:38-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20180927 12:00:25<+wesdiscordbot> uryyb jbeyq 20180927 12:39:49-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 12:43:06<+wesdiscordbot> Hello world. ^ 20180927 13:03:28<+wesdiscordbot> If I want to post my project on forums where should i post it? (Its about counting unit value im sure that i works properly.) 20180927 14:33:26<+wesdiscordbot> @blarumyrran @shadowm @sapient_n3t thanks for the assistance on the forum location, just posted it: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48884 20180927 15:45:28<+wesdiscordbot> All I want in SoF is for Krawg to talk normally 20180927 15:51:46<+wesdiscordbot> It’s great to see a new player so enthusiastic about the game!! Realistically if you want changes to be made to a campaign though, you’ll probably have to do it yourself 20180927 15:55:54<+wesdiscordbot> :run: 20180927 16:04:17<+wesdiscordbot> hahaha, Krawg was a weird character for sure, but it worked out. Also thank you, I have played like, so many Strategy games, and I found this game a few weeks ago, and I can say with confidence its the best free2play game out there (perhaps the best Strategy game, but X-COM: UFO Defense takes the place) On the changes, I sadly don't have time to implement them or do anything like that, since I play this game to combat 20180927 16:04:18<+wesdiscordbot> burnout from gamedev, and with the free time I have, I just decided to write a full-blown feedback mostly on design because the campaign lacks polish, and could be a much better experience, with very few changes. I guess I can hope some developer decides to improve SoF, since I lack the time to do get into editting a campaign 😦 20180927 16:04:53<+wesdiscordbot> well, most of the campaigns lack polish 20180927 16:05:01<+wesdiscordbot> SoF isn't alone in that 20180927 16:05:11<+wesdiscordbot> true, and to be honest, I'm afraid to play most of the campaigns xD 20180927 16:05:52<+wesdiscordbot> I mean, playing an 23 scenario (HttT), and something "gamebreaking" happening in the middle, it would be devastating 20180927 16:06:09<+wesdiscordbot> as usual, the problem is that there isn't enough manpower right now to go fix everything :p 20180927 16:07:20<+wesdiscordbot> feelsbadman 😦 well, I provided the design feedback and hopefully I find time, in like some months from now so as to try to change the dialogues/scenario objectives at least if it isn't done until then 20180927 16:08:28<+wesdiscordbot> you can also try addon campaigns 20180927 16:09:05<+wesdiscordbot> well, I would like to finish most official ones before that, mainly because add-on means they aren't as supported/maintained, and will likely be extremely unbalanced 20180927 16:09:15<+wesdiscordbot> that's actually false 20180927 16:09:34<+wesdiscordbot> fill me in, I'm new to this stuff xD 20180927 16:09:38<+wesdiscordbot> in most cases, it means that they have less art assets and could be a bit buggy 20180927 16:10:09<+wesdiscordbot> but most of the more popular/major campaigns are playable (on normal difficulty) and maintained by the author 20180927 16:10:21<+wesdiscordbot> mainline campaigns, on the other hand, aren't really maintained by anyone except for some bugfixes now and then 20180927 16:10:31<+wesdiscordbot> to be honest, some addons have better quality then some of vanilla stuff 20180927 16:10:32<+wesdiscordbot> interesting, then what is the "entry point" for an campaign to be mainline? like, the current ones, how are they chosen? 20180927 16:10:43<+wesdiscordbot> they were proposed to be added to mainline 20180927 16:10:47<+wesdiscordbot> and fit in with the lore 20180927 16:10:51<+wesdiscordbot> ah the lore 20180927 16:11:06<+wesdiscordbot> i can see the lore conflicting with some good add-ons 20180927 16:11:16<+wesdiscordbot> some campaigns like Invasion from the Unknown are fit to be mainline (probably higher quality than any mainline campaign), but their author (shadowm) decided to not have it go in 20180927 16:11:32<+wesdiscordbot> ? the reason being? πŸ˜› 20180927 16:11:52<+wesdiscordbot> one reason is that once it's mainline, everyone gets to mess with it 20180927 16:12:04<+wesdiscordbot> ah, makes sense 20180927 16:12:26<+wesdiscordbot> can't it be mainline, but still be exclusive to author/ 20180927 16:12:35<+wesdiscordbot> you know how they say that too many cooks spoil the soup 20180927 16:12:49<+wesdiscordbot> well i can see the problems, design conflict (mentioned in SoF) is a problem 20180927 16:12:53<+wesdiscordbot> Iftu is great! And Yumi wrote a prequel called Genesis that looks awesome too 20180927 16:13:16<+wesdiscordbot> I guess not, shadowm knows a lot more about this but elaborating on it requires a lot of time and a lot of ranting 20180927 16:13:19<+wesdiscordbot> "can't it be mainline, but still be exclusive to author?" No. No one gets special treatment in mainline. 20180927 16:13:36<+wesdiscordbot> right 20180927 16:13:37<+wesdiscordbot> okay 20180927 16:13:40<+wesdiscordbot> but aren't the current mainline campaigns dropped? like, have inactive authors? 20180927 16:13:57<+wesdiscordbot> it's like this 20180927 16:14:01<+wesdiscordbot> the author wrote a campaign, it got mainlined 20180927 16:14:11<+wesdiscordbot> And the sequel to iftu, after the storm is my favorite wesnoth campaign:) 20180927 16:14:21<+wesdiscordbot> whether or not the author leaves, everyone can swoop in and mess with it 20180927 16:14:32<+wesdiscordbot> although usually not if the author sticks around, I guess 20180927 16:14:42<+wesdiscordbot> lel, i had no idea, but this extreme seperation with mainline and add-on is weird 20180927 16:14:55<+wesdiscordbot> i mean, i plan to play all mainline before addons because I thought addons were "unpolished" 20180927 16:15:03<+wesdiscordbot> right, in the case of wesnoth that's not true 20180927 16:15:05<+wesdiscordbot> The flipside is that the author can't mess with the campaign after it has been mainlined, either. 20180927 16:15:12<+wesdiscordbot> oh yeah, i agree with everyone above 20180927 16:15:17<+wesdiscordbot> Project Ethea is amazing 20180927 16:15:21<+wesdiscordbot> So he/she can't, for example, tack on a strong political message afterwards. 20180927 16:15:22<+wesdiscordbot> (unless the author is a dev..?) 20180927 16:15:22<+wesdiscordbot> (aka what Genesis, IFTU and ATS are part of) 20180927 16:15:37<+wesdiscordbot> i havent played many UMC campaigns myself but trust me, they are amazing 20180927 16:15:49<+wesdiscordbot> well, i dont want to fuel the flames since i guess there must be some conflicts to these since some authors decide to keep them on add-ons, its just some add-on "recommendations" would help 20180927 16:15:59<+wesdiscordbot> you already have 3 20180927 16:16:00<+wesdiscordbot> i have finished Genesis and almost finished IFTU and trust me, both are good (Genesis is still WIP in terms of story but it's fully functional so dont worry about it) 20180927 16:16:05<+wesdiscordbot> oh well 20180927 16:16:09<+wesdiscordbot> After the Storm isn't on 1.14 yet 20180927 16:16:14<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, was about to mention that 20180927 16:16:35<+wesdiscordbot> i meant recommendations as in, suggesting to the player in-game to check the add-ons because at first glance they seem inferior πŸ˜› 20180927 16:16:43<+wesdiscordbot> although tbh you can definetly take your time waiting for it as you play some mainline campaigns (i recommend Under the Burning Suns, although it is one of the hardest campaigns so be careful) 20180927 16:16:47<+wesdiscordbot> but yeah, thanks for the suggestions, will look into them when I finish the rest of the campaigns πŸ‘ 20180927 16:16:48<+wesdiscordbot> Descent into Darkness is also pretty interesting 20180927 16:16:54<+wesdiscordbot> OH, and also, one more thing 20180927 16:17:07<+wesdiscordbot> once you get to Invasion from the Unknown, MAKE SURE you already played Under the Burning Suns and Descent into Darkness 20180927 16:17:18<+wesdiscordbot> those two are rather important for IFTU and ATS, they use some of the lore introduced in those 2 campaigns 20180927 16:17:21<+wesdiscordbot> Descent into Darkness is the one im looking more forward to, but i want to finish all of them by order, because going back to some will be a chore because of their quality (as in, generic) 20180927 16:17:23<+wesdiscordbot> I suppose recommending people to check out addons would be a good idea 20180927 16:17:41<+wesdiscordbot> Descent into Darkness is pretty nice, the ending is a little dissapointing (although i have heard it will be changed in a later version soo yea) 20180927 16:17:51<+wesdiscordbot> Secrets of the Ancients is good too, another Undead campaign 20180927 16:18:09<+wesdiscordbot> tho SOTA isnt needed to understand some things in IFTU/ATS 20180927 16:18:12<+wesdiscordbot> but for now, I guess we do it enough on the forums and here 20180927 16:18:43<+wesdiscordbot> i heard A New Order is really good as well but i only played the beginning of it and ill finish IFTU and probably also Bad Moon Rising before i get to it 20180927 16:18:44<+wesdiscordbot> also speaks to mainline needing some work campaign wise 20180927 16:19:40<+wesdiscordbot> out of every UMC campaign, im mostly just a Project Ethea guy, and i only completed Genesis and im almost done with IFTU, as for ATS, i only played the first 2-3 scenarios before i updated to 1.14 (and i dont want to go back to an older version, so i am fine with waiting till it gets ported) 20180927 16:19:54<+wesdiscordbot> if you like UTBS, then i assure you, you will like Project Ethea, it's in a similar style 20180927 16:19:55<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive "No one gets special treatment in mainline." this is so blatantly false. 20180927 16:20:14<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not going to go into detail but you're completely wrong in a historical context there. 20180927 16:20:14<+wesdiscordbot> thanks on the information guys πŸ˜ƒ although yes, mainline campaigns need a bit more work (SoF being on the bottom is for a good reason lel) since the whole reason I gathered and made that huge feedback post is because I didn't expect so many minor annoyances to "break" my campaign experience. I had no such issue on the other campaigns I played (although Dead Water is the best from the ones I played, it has serious balancing 20180927 16:20:15<+wesdiscordbot> problems) 20180927 16:20:51<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah dead water is the best!!! Not biased at all πŸ˜ƒ 20180927 16:20:53<+wesdiscordbot> although, regarding Genesis, it has a few unique things about it that are different from your standard campaign, such as 2-3 puzzles 20180927 16:21:17<+wesdiscordbot> as well as focus on your hero units other than recruits (though those are required as well so dont think that you can breeze through the campaign without recruiting anything) 20180927 16:22:34<+wesdiscordbot> I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on northern rebirth hahaha 20180927 16:22:41<+wesdiscordbot> oh no 20180927 16:22:50<+wesdiscordbot> πŸ˜‚ 20180927 16:23:03<+wesdiscordbot> oh dear, i heard Northern Rebirth needs reworking lol 20180927 16:23:11<+wesdiscordbot> (never got past the 1st scenario sooo yea) 20180927 16:25:39<+wesdiscordbot> well, sounds interesting, as long campaigns are distinctly different or offer different experiences (usually unique campaign mechanics), they are definitely worth. Also, since the feedback is positive, I will do the same on the next campaigns I play, including Northern Rebirth (although not much free time, so it will take a while) On the feedback on SoF, fundamentally it doesn't need any change, hence my feedback in a way 20180927 16:25:39<+wesdiscordbot> focuses on "details"/polishing, but I'm looking forward to the next campaigns! πŸ˜ƒ 20180927 16:26:10<+wesdiscordbot> after all, of the campaigns i played, each one had some really good moments that made it worth, and I doubt I will find a campaign I "hate" 20180927 16:26:22<+wesdiscordbot> weeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll 20180927 16:26:22-!- hyp3rbor3ax_ [~hyp3rbor3@p57B3963F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20180927 16:26:36<+wesdiscordbot> guess I'd suggest to play everything else before NR 20180927 16:26:40<+wesdiscordbot> :p 20180927 16:26:44<+wesdiscordbot> is it really that bad? 20180927 16:26:47<+wesdiscordbot> UTBS from what ive seen has enough polish so i dont think you'll find a lot of stuff to nitpick 20180927 16:26:57<+wesdiscordbot> it's interesting 20180927 16:27:01<+wesdiscordbot> If you don’t have much time don’t play NR, I was stuck on eastern flank for like a week 20180927 16:27:07-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 16:27:16<+wesdiscordbot> from what i heard NR is about huge army battles 20180927 16:27:18<+wesdiscordbot> like, a fuckton of units 20180927 16:27:27<+wesdiscordbot> 100+ in a lot of cases... 20180927 16:27:35<+wesdiscordbot> gee that sounds laggy 20180927 16:27:42<+wesdiscordbot> it is 20180927 16:28:03<+wesdiscordbot> and in Genesis i did start lagging when spamming those ghost units (which is why i kept myself from recruiting further in those cases) 20180927 16:28:05<+wesdiscordbot> well the reason I avoid UTBS and ItU (and descent into darkness, being superhyped for it) is that I really want to finish all main campaigns, and returning to bad ones will be impossible. I mean, returning to South Guard/Orcish Incursion is too "generic" to be fun 20180927 16:28:11<+wesdiscordbot> NR just sounds overkill 20180927 16:28:24<+wesdiscordbot> South Guard is ok imo 20180927 16:28:32<+wesdiscordbot> for a beginner campaign, its actually pretty good 20180927 16:28:35<+wesdiscordbot> well, seems like i will make an "blacklist" just for NR 20180927 16:28:52<+wesdiscordbot> also yes, I like orcish incursion and those campaigns, but they work as introductory mostly 20180927 16:29:05<+wesdiscordbot> that's their purpose! πŸ˜‚ 20180927 16:29:08<+wesdiscordbot> like i said, South Guard is good for an introductory campaign 20180927 16:29:19<+wesdiscordbot> also UTBS is mainline 20180927 16:29:28<+wesdiscordbot> its a main campaign 20180927 16:29:38<+wesdiscordbot> and one of the most important ones in terms of Wesnoth's lore 20180927 16:30:06<+wesdiscordbot> I get the introductory part and it was perfect (also perfect campaign to start the game), hence I don't want to skip campaigns to play the "best" ones, because I don't want to leave the main campaigns unfinished since all offer something 20180927 16:30:15<+wesdiscordbot> (also its highly unrecommended to play Project Ethea without playing at least UTBS first, Project Ethea relies on the foundations that UTBS has set up for the lore) 20180927 16:30:30<+wesdiscordbot> especially shadowm's work (aka IFTU and ATS, since Genesis is made by Yumi, not shadowm) 20180927 16:31:01<+wesdiscordbot> Genesis is a prequel and still a WIP in terms of story, so UTBS and DiD aren't necessary yet from what ive noticed 20180927 16:31:20<+wesdiscordbot> will check them out, i get that they have higher quality so I will play them after most of the mainline. I enjoyed writing/researching on the "review"/feedback even if it took time, and doing this for each one, is better to be objective and do them in order presented in-game 20180927 16:31:21<+wesdiscordbot> but for IFTU and ATS, you totally need to play UTBS first, and also DiD for some smaller plot elements (wont mention what exactly, dont want to spoil) 20180927 16:32:01<+wesdiscordbot> you wont understand some of the stuff that happens in them (or who some of the characters are) if you dont play those 2 20180927 16:32:27<+wesdiscordbot> since IFTU and ATS act as sequels to UTBS 20180927 16:32:29<+wesdiscordbot> also going afk to eat πŸ‘‹ , I'm glad that behemoth of a post didn't go to waste and it can one day be put to good use, also glad this community is more than alive πŸ˜ƒ (and thanks for the details, will ask for sure before starting an new add-on campaign) 20180927 16:32:43<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, in case your forget i can remind you again if you want 20180927 16:33:08<+wesdiscordbot> though do ask others since i only played Project Ethea and a bit of A New Order 20180927 16:33:19<+wesdiscordbot> soo i am sorta new to UMC content myself as well 20180927 16:34:04<+wesdiscordbot> i never played addon campaigns :GWsetmyxPeepoWeird: 20180927 16:34:12<+wesdiscordbot> do it, some can be extremly good 20180927 16:34:34<+wesdiscordbot> i would, but they are too long for me 20180927 16:34:44<+wesdiscordbot> oh, how short would you want them to be then? 20180927 16:34:47<+wesdiscordbot> and i hate loosing hightier units 20180927 16:34:48<+wesdiscordbot> i never played addon campaigns -> me if i didnt find out this discord, in-game u get the impression the add-ons are just "amateur" campaigns 20180927 16:34:52<+wesdiscordbot> but yeah, going afk for real πŸ˜› πŸ‘‹ 20180927 16:34:59<+wesdiscordbot> :GWmythsBlobWaveCool: 20180927 16:35:12<+wesdiscordbot> well, idk tbh 20180927 16:35:14<+wesdiscordbot> well, i dont mind long campaigns as long as its not Legend of the Invincibles levels of long 20180927 16:35:25<+wesdiscordbot> you wanna know how many scenarios that campaign is? 20180927 16:35:30<+wesdiscordbot> 236? 20180927 16:35:38<+wesdiscordbot> yea if i recall correctly 20180927 16:35:41<+wesdiscordbot> i think it was 236 20180927 16:35:42<+wesdiscordbot> idk, but still, a fuckton of scenarios 20180927 16:35:45<+wesdiscordbot> yee 20180927 16:35:57<+wesdiscordbot> i cant handle playin 23 scenarios even :GWsetmyxPeepoWeird: 20180927 16:36:04<+wesdiscordbot> if you want a shorter campaign play ooze mini-campaign 20180927 16:36:07<+wesdiscordbot> i prefer skirmishes tbh 20180927 16:36:07<+wesdiscordbot> and elvish dynasty rpg 20180927 16:36:12<+wesdiscordbot> I thought it was a lot of fun but never finished it 20180927 16:36:15<+wesdiscordbot> already done ooze :GWfroggyPepoThumb: 20180927 16:36:18<+wesdiscordbot> ah 20180927 16:36:22<+wesdiscordbot> elvish dynasty is fun too 20180927 16:36:26<+wesdiscordbot> also very short 20180927 16:36:37<+wesdiscordbot> i'll probably check it out sooner or later 20180927 16:36:40<+wesdiscordbot> i actually like longer campaigns (reasonably long that is like i said) 20180927 16:36:53<+wesdiscordbot> it gives creators room to flesh out characters, have bigger plots, etc. 20180927 16:37:00<+wesdiscordbot> and i do like when a campaign does that 20180927 16:37:07<+wesdiscordbot> Inky’s quest!!! πŸ˜„ okay maybe better ask someone else πŸ˜› 20180927 16:37:45<+wesdiscordbot> Inky's quest!! πŸ¦‘ 20180927 16:37:54<+wesdiscordbot> me in nutshell >tells everyone he hates long campaigns >literally creates one 20180927 16:37:58<+wesdiscordbot> :GWsetmyxPeepoWeird: 20180927 16:38:23<+wesdiscordbot> you can play tactics puzzles if you like puzzles 20180927 16:38:26<+wesdiscordbot> like chess-like puzzles 20180927 16:39:27<+wesdiscordbot> oh god 20180927 16:39:37<+wesdiscordbot> wesnoth chess map 20180927 16:39:38<+wesdiscordbot> :GWcorbinTopKek: 20180927 16:39:51<+wesdiscordbot> this one was ridicolously random 20180927 16:39:57<+wesdiscordbot> Aw thanks Yumi πŸ˜ƒ 20180927 16:40:17<+wesdiscordbot> so much pepe :thonk: 20180927 16:40:24<+wesdiscordbot> I think someone already made a wesnoth chess add on 20180927 16:40:28<+wesdiscordbot> pepe emojjis are pretty good 20180927 17:24:14-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 17:48:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180927 18:07:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 18:40:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180927 18:40:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 18:45:18<+wesdiscordbot> Anyone remember this game? πŸ˜„ I still play it once in a while :onesieRelief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MAMVu0cocE 20180927 18:45:39<+wesdiscordbot> It has a special place in my heart. Hehe, used to play it all the time back in the early 90s 20180927 19:15:30-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20180927 20:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm Do you have a moment to talk about AtS? 20180927 20:15:06-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20180927 20:15:12-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 20:26:04-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20180927 20:29:52<+wesdiscordbot> @Thorlar I'm reading your SoF post right now and I'd like to mention that the ruby of fire (without the sceptre) can (and will) corrupt the mind of those wielding it and possibly also those that spend too much time close to it. Which is why Durnstorns reaction to the need of cutting the ruby made actual sense (at least to me). Some other behaviors of his make somewhat sense in light of that as well, but this interaction is 20180927 20:29:52<+wesdiscordbot> the one I feel strongest about. 20180927 20:37:00-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 20:52:48<+wesdiscordbot> And the alternative ending would probably not work, because HttT relies on people knowing that the Sceptre of Fire is finished and that it is down there. 20180927 20:53:15<+wesdiscordbot> Oh, I was supposed to know that? 20180927 20:53:33<+wesdiscordbot> HttT was the first campaign I played 20180927 20:55:11<+wesdiscordbot> Whoop, misread 20180927 20:55:34<+wesdiscordbot> Thought I had played the campaigns in the wrong order 20180927 21:25:30<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks for feedback @Konrad2 Alternative ending is a feature suggestion, not feedback, and I didn't really want to put it on the post (same for bargaining choice skipping scenario 5) since these are feature suggestions instead of objective (campaign) improvements. However, to back up that suggestion: alternative ending need not impact/influence other campaigns. Every campaign is self-contained, it just references each other 20180927 21:25:30<+wesdiscordbot> (lore) The "canon" ending is that, the sceptre of fire is recorded in history, while the non-canon ending is that no1 knows about it, its just epilogue stuff, it needs not impact an entire (23!) scenario campaign πŸ˜› And the benefits of alt ending are mentioned on that point Also on Durstorn, valid point, I should have covered that, it's just he accepted in the end anyway, and he was told of this beforehand, hence it wasn't 20180927 21:25:31<+wesdiscordbot> "knowledge" but he simply forgot about it. While that part can be forgiven, so much of his dialogue doesn't contribute as expected on the overall campaign, which is more or less my point on Durstorn 20180927 21:28:02<+wesdiscordbot> looking for more opinions since it is the first time i do something like this, and idk by what degree ppl agree/disagree on each of the points i presented, so, thanks πŸ‘ 20180927 21:43:44-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 21:59:03< zookeeper> yeah, campaigns can have several endings, only one of them being the canonical one. that said, i feel like the kind of alt endings such as the suggested one should be presented clearly as an "inferior" ending. in this case, perhaps the epilogue referring to how the sceptre being lost caused untold misfortune for wesnoth when most of HttT didn't get to happen, etc. 20180927 22:03:23-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20180927 22:18:57<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, campaigns can have several endings, only one of them being the canonical one. that said, i feel like the kind of alt endings such as the suggested one should be presented clearly as an "inferior" ending.I agree, after all, it happens if you "fail" an crucial campaign objective.in this case, perhaps the epilogue referring to how the sceptre being lost caused untold misfortune for wesnoth when most of HttT didn't get to 20180927 22:18:58<+wesdiscordbot> happen, etc.Yup, I mentioned an minor dialogue example, where the king is more or less "regretful" of the dwarfs and he thinks the dwarfs have crafted & stolen his scepter πŸ˜› (Alternative/Inferior ending ofc, the ending stays as is) Although, alternative ending isn't important when there are fundamental issues in the campaign (aka the reason of the post πŸ˜› ) but I wanted to at least mention it. 20180927 23:13:34-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20180927 23:36:26-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20180927 23:36:52-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has joined #wesnoth 20180927 23:41:49<+wesdiscordbot> i really like the idea of lots of ending variations for campaigns 20180927 23:42:01<+wesdiscordbot> but i don't think they should get noncanon 20180927 23:48:58-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Sep 28 00:00:12 2018