--- Log opened Mon Oct 08 00:00:59 2018 20181008 01:05:09-!- sevu [~sevu@p5485558A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 01:51:05-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 02:04:33< hk238> hi 20181008 03:13:57-!- iwaim [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20181008 03:14:45-!- iwaim_ [~iwaim@rasteenie.alib.jp] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 03:27:51-!- shiki [~sevu@p5485501E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 03:31:19-!- sevu [~sevu@p5485558A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20181008 03:46:20-!- shiki [~sevu@p5485501E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 04:04:27-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 04:39:10< hk238> maybe draw some new units today 20181008 07:37:50-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 08:44:38-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181008 09:51:24-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 09:59:00-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 09:59:29-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 10:10:39-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181008 12:09:23< hk238> One advancement line got base image now 20181008 13:04:22< hk238> https://pasteboard.co/HHv9XLE.png 20181008 13:04:29< hk238> drew this as an advancement class for this one: 20181008 13:04:47< hk238> https://pasteboard.co/HHva9ap.png 20181008 13:04:50< hk238> what do you think? :D 20181008 13:05:07< hk238> I'm from Finland and the Crest has a lot to do with our national Crest 20181008 13:05:38< hk238> well of course these pixels... it's far from being an accurate representation, but it's actually modeled sort of after a Swedish lion crest, Uppsala lion anyway 20181008 13:05:45< hk238> I think it turned out pretty cool 20181008 13:08:17< hk238> well it has it's history I'm only partially aware of the history 20181008 13:11:49<+wesdiscordbot> Hello 20181008 13:14:02<+wesdiscordbot> Nice units. Lady especialy. 20181008 13:15:10< hk238> thanks :D 20181008 13:17:12< hk238> which lady by the way? Both in the links are supposed to be ladies.. I mean the one without the shield is like a level1 or 2 unit and the one with the shield is the same unit but level2 or 3 20181008 13:18:42< hk238> are you referring to the one with the victorian dress? Which would most naturally be called lady I think :D 20181008 13:20:31<+wesdiscordbot> 3 from bottom. 1 and 2 are ladies? :I thought that it's just some fancy armor. 20181008 13:21:54< hk238> no sorry I didn't if you comment to the images I posted on irc or if the thread 20181008 13:22:00< hk238> no 1 and 2 are not supposed to be ladies 20181008 13:22:22< hk238> although perhaps the hair does have a bit of an effeminate quality.. :D 20181008 13:22:53< hk238> there's I think 10 images 20181008 13:24:36<+wesdiscordbot> I commented on images posted on irc 20181008 13:25:03< hk238> huh 20181008 13:25:04< hk238> :D 20181008 13:25:18< hk238> oh right you're on discord 20181008 13:25:38< hk238> so you're referring to that 3rd from the bottom.. I don't know which one it is :D 20181008 13:25:52< hk238> there's a thread about these on forums: 20181008 13:25:55< hk238> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=48906 20181008 13:26:32< hk238> so in that thread 1 & 2 have armor and are male, 3rd has armor and is female, 4th to 9th are female 20181008 13:27:18< hk238> A line for a japanese female vampire is complete pretty much.. I'm not sure if it's going to be 2,3,4 levels or 1,2,3 levels 20181008 13:27:47< hk238> gotta think up some nice abilities and create some sort of blood resource system and also create some support units 20181008 13:28:02<+wesdiscordbot> Vampire 5 and well vampire 4 is very nice too. 20181008 13:28:33< hk238> I like 5th somehow the stance works and although it has just 2 pixels for eyes, it somehow looks vampiric in a very subtle way 20181008 13:28:49< hk238> maybe I should try saturated pixels for eyes on the other ones too 20181008 13:29:38< hk238> 4th is kind of.. she's like having a conversation in some formal evening, a dance or something like that, a gathering for the nobles 20181008 13:29:55< hk238> so that doesn't emit a very vampiric feel but those are pretty common themes in vampire stories 20181008 13:30:26< hk238> I think I want to make it so that the vampires have like indirect means for achieving goals, well, except maybe the vampires with platearmor 20181008 13:31:12< hk238> but especially the women who are not wearing armour, I think they should have some well powers at their disposal, so the one with the victorian dress.. the image puts so much emphasis on the socialite type of aspect 20181008 13:31:23< hk238> that it would be fitting to have some sort of command ability or similar 20181008 13:31:36< hk238> 5th on other hand seems more like a sorceress 20181008 13:31:45<+wesdiscordbot> Maybe... Concealment? 20181008 13:32:02< hk238> Concealment is a possibility it doesn't do much though 20181008 13:32:25< hk238> I was actually thinking I could give concealment to the lowest level of the japanese vampire line, she's dressed in a commoners casual outfit 20181008 13:32:39<+wesdiscordbot> I always think about power lvl first. 😄 20181008 13:32:45< hk238> while others have attires for nobles, so it would be reasonable that the lowest level could hide in villages and the higher levels wouldnt 20181008 13:32:52< hk238> heh :D 20181008 13:33:27<+wesdiscordbot> I guess vampires in armour could have something like blood powered armours. 20181008 13:33:31< hk238> I think about it so that if you want to give a powerful ability to a unit, then you've to do something for balancing. Like simple answer, make the unit more expensive.. but with vampires there are very different kinds of weaknesses available 20181008 13:33:46< hk238> Okay that sounds like some sort of weird cyborg technology 20181008 13:34:07<+wesdiscordbot> More like steampunk to me. 20181008 13:34:08< hk238> not the kind of theme I'm going for.. but it's a cool idea otherwise 20181008 13:34:16< hk238> yeah maybe steampunk 20181008 13:34:32< hk238> Powered armors would a reasonable thing for cyberpunk faction Heindal is making 20181008 13:34:48<+wesdiscordbot> Oh and there was something like that im Witcher 3. 20181008 13:35:35<+wesdiscordbot> Blood droping on armour makes it better. 20181008 13:36:01< hk238> I'm also somewhat familiar with the vampire system of white wolf, vampire the masquerade.. I don't know much about the tabletop game but I played the Bloodlines game it introduces all the clans and such 20181008 13:36:09< hk238> do you know that one? 20181008 13:36:21<+wesdiscordbot> Not at all. 20181008 13:36:39< hk238> I don't want to copypaste their system, but what I do want to copy is the method of having different kind of categories and types of vampires and different emphasis on different kinds of things 20181008 13:37:17< hk238> like the socialite aspect would be.. those charming vampires, I think they're called Toreador? Anyway.. I don't even know them that well, but still. Want to do something complicated 20181008 13:37:26< hk238> but it's really cool 20181008 13:37:51<+wesdiscordbot> Everyone has thier own look at vampirism. 20181008 13:37:54< hk238> there's like.. The storyline is something like this.. Cain (who killed Abel) was the first vampire and his children or something like that, I mean vampires created by Cain 20181008 13:38:10< hk238> they are like the clan leaders and there's a clan for each leader 20181008 13:38:38< hk238> So for an example they're would be some first Toreador, who was directly created by Cain... and all other Toreadors are then turned by subsequent generations and so forth 20181008 13:38:54<+wesdiscordbot> Will it be one or many factions? 20181008 13:38:54< hk238> then there's another one, called Nosferatu, they're ugly but they can hide well 20181008 13:39:10< hk238> So far just one 20181008 13:39:18< hk238> if I get that done, then I can branch it into several factions 20181008 13:39:33< hk238> e.g. the japanese vampire could have a japanese faction around 20181008 13:39:50<+wesdiscordbot> Then i wonder if many clans in one faction is good idea. 🤔 20181008 13:39:52< hk238> these knight vampires could have a faction around them. But the vampire in the victorian dress also fits that faction 20181008 13:40:12< hk238> I mean that they're going to have some meaningful differences 20181008 13:40:33< hk238> like they don't have to all be good at melee or all have the same blood power but each one can have unique abilities.. So that's kind of the thing 20181008 13:40:41< hk238> I'm not trying to copy some other system but create a new one 20181008 13:41:44< hk238> although it's not possible to be 100% original, I mean, that would be hypocritical. The entire vampire thing has been invented and reinvented countless times by others. And there being gothic vampires in platemail is like nothing new... but there's a difference between having been influenced in some reasonable manner to copypasting something directly 20181008 13:42:28<+wesdiscordbot> When i try to do something new i always try to take inspiration directly from nature. 20181008 13:42:41< hk238> by the way if you have any ideas for abilities I'm interested.. I can probably get it coded (with some assistance) :D 20181008 13:43:15< hk238> oh yeah definitely a lot of human technology is based on emulating nature everywhere. Not everything, but a large part of it :D 20181008 13:43:36< hk238> I'll be afk for a bit now 20181008 13:54:07<+wesdiscordbot> Did you concider transforamtion? Or something like that? 20181008 14:06:19<+wesdiscordbot> I think that even desinging cool advencement paths can be special ability by itself. 😄 Nightstalk is a possibility. Maybe something like slow but instead of slowing unit would have it reststances lowered? 20181008 14:06:58< hk238> definitely possible :D 20181008 14:07:20< hk238> I was also thinking about creating a resource system - which would allow creating special abilities of different kinds 20181008 14:07:40< hk238> so for an example there's a counter that indicates the number of points in a 'blood pool' or something like that for the vampries 20181008 14:07:41< hk238> *vampires 20181008 14:08:57< hk238> like for an example if you have some draining melee attack.. Then a succesful draining attack has a 25% chance of also increasing the blood pool by 1 point 20181008 14:09:21< hk238> and then you can use like 3 points for some ability, and 1 pt from some other 20181008 14:09:25< hk238> etc. 20181008 14:25:18-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 14:42:20-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has left #wesnoth-umc-dev [] 20181008 15:17:33-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181008 15:21:46< hk238> hmm an interesting afterlife concept would be a 3 player game with alternating directions of cycle 20181008 15:21:57< hk238> so A sends to B sends to C sends to A... and then next time reverse order 20181008 15:23:29-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 15:32:29<+wesdiscordbot> You are thinking about much more advenced things than im. 20181008 15:55:31<+wesdiscordbot> Man, my mind is just broken after 3 (well 4 but i didnt do much in the last one) months of working on counting values. xD 20181008 16:41:22-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 16:41:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 16:43:29< hk238> :D 20181008 16:43:48<+wesdiscordbot> hae 20181008 16:44:05< hk238> https://pasteboard.co/HHwB6H8.png 20181008 16:44:09< hk238> last one for today :D 20181008 16:44:34< hk238> this was my reference so it's hardly.. well there are some similarities but.. yeah. :D 20181008 16:44:35< hk238> http://world4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-corset-and-the-crinoline-009.jpg 20181008 16:48:55< hk238> think the colors are a bit too bright and cheerful for a vampire 8( 20181008 16:49:19< hk238> could try to go for something dark and murky or maybe pale and unsaturated 20181008 16:49:26<+wesdiscordbot> vampires are masters of deception 20181008 16:49:28< hk238> otherwise it's pretty good I think 20181008 16:49:39< hk238> Oh :D 20181008 16:49:51<+wesdiscordbot> could hide under the guise of bright and cheery townsfolk or something 🤔 20181008 16:49:56< hk238> You have any suggestions about what to do with this vampire faction / these images / anything related? :) 20181008 16:50:20< hk238> mmyeah I think having regular clothing is realistic.. BUt it's also a mood question 20181008 16:50:36<+wesdiscordbot> 🤷 20181008 16:50:45<+wesdiscordbot> depends how you want to depict the vampires 20181008 16:51:03<+wesdiscordbot> I always thought the vampires masquerading as humans idea could be pretty cool 20181008 16:51:09< hk238> have you seen the thread where the other images are? Although I've been posting them here so probably see on discord anyway :o 20181008 16:51:28< hk238> I think so too :D 20181008 16:51:40<+wesdiscordbot> some 20181008 16:51:52<+wesdiscordbot> I think they're decent, better than the minotaurs 20181008 16:52:06<+wesdiscordbot> though not in the wesnoth style (then again, that's not a strict requirement for your own faction) 20181008 16:52:15< hk238> Implying they're not so good :D 20181008 16:52:30< hk238> Okay yeah they have their.. limitations 20181008 16:53:18<+wesdiscordbot> I mean they're def not bad 20181008 16:53:33-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181008 16:53:51<+wesdiscordbot> just shading can use some work 20181008 16:54:01< hk238> hmm what do you think could that previous vamp be level1 and then this one be level2? https://pasteboard.co/HHwFdEU.png ? 20181008 16:54:15<+wesdiscordbot> both of those look level 2 to me 20181008 16:54:16<+wesdiscordbot> hah 20181008 16:54:17<+wesdiscordbot> a 20181008 16:54:29<+wesdiscordbot> probably because of the height 20181008 16:54:59<+wesdiscordbot> To me both look like lvl 1. 20181008 16:55:03< hk238> the 2nd has Teutonic woman's outfit, the first one has an outfit from ancient greece 20181008 16:55:05<+wesdiscordbot> hmm. 20181008 16:55:20< hk238> I think the greek one is less intimidating 20181008 16:55:29< hk238> where as this teutonic woman seems more confident 20181008 16:55:47<+wesdiscordbot> don't be fooled by appearances :)) 20181008 16:56:18< hk238> Zoom in and you could add a speech bubble saying "Eh?!" 20181008 16:56:19< hk238> :D 20181008 16:56:36< hk238> I guess you cant zoom in that much on pasteboard.. 20181008 16:58:49< hk238> hm 20181008 16:59:31< hk238> I think I have to try and put those into the same advancement line otherwise no one will have any advancements there will be too many units :D 20181008 17:06:09-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20181008 17:17:08-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 17:17:14-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 17:30:59-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 18:20:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 18:20:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 18:51:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 18:51:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 19:45:46-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20181008 20:09:12-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 20:22:41-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 20:23:06-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x55b3578b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 21:05:28-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 21:05:34-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 21:12:58-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181008 21:13:04-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20181008 22:41:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] --- Log closed Tue Oct 09 00:00:01 2018