--- Log opened Sat Oct 06 00:00:23 2018 --- Day changed Sat Oct 06 2018 20181006 00:00:23-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 00:00:54-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 00:26:02-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 00:31:37<+wesdiscordbot> Oof...i just won a Rotating War game with a single Ulfserker 20181006 00:36:13-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 20181006 00:46:18<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/497932576728809482/unknown.png 20181006 00:46:31<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/497932630151528469/unknown.png 20181006 00:47:08<+wesdiscordbot> >No human has ever come close to their skill in using a bow on horseback 20181006 00:47:15<+wesdiscordbot> HMMMMMMM 20181006 00:52:32< aeth> 12-5 ranged on a mounted lvl 3 unit??? 20181006 00:52:43< aeth> looks like the renamed version is "only" 10-5 20181006 00:54:24-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 00:54:49< aeth> easily one of the best units in the game 20181006 00:56:40< aeth> no modifiers, but it's ranged (less likely to face retaliation), has 8 MP, and has 5 strikes (less luck-dependent) 20181006 00:57:34< aeth> it probably should be 12-4 20181006 01:12:01<+wesdiscordbot> Real fucking cool when people make passwords to the game and i politely ask if i can join and they just ignore me. I love this community so fucking much. 20181006 01:15:18<+wesdiscordbot> there's probably a reason they set those passwords 20181006 01:15:39<+wesdiscordbot> you can try asking here or in the lobby for a game 20181006 01:20:13< celticminstrel> . . . 20181006 01:22:11<+wesdiscordbot> If they don't want other people in you should respect that decision, no-one's entitled to join someone else's game 20181006 01:23:21< aeth> Generally you set a password when you arrange a game with people you know. 20181006 01:23:45< aeth> Or maybe it's a competitive game. 20181006 01:27:19-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 01:27:44< celticminstrel> I mean, okay, ignoring you is a little rude, but it's not like they owe it to you to let you in or anything. 20181006 01:47:09-!- Polsaker is now known as Punsaker 20181006 02:29:14<+wesdiscordbot> If someone's ignoring you there's a good chance they don't speak English 20181006 02:36:18< celticminstrel> There is that possibility too. 20181006 02:40:03-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 02:40:16<+wesdiscordbot> Are there any (good) Khalifate campaigns 20181006 02:55:34-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 02:58:12-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 03:16:26<+wesdiscordbot> Return from the Abyss by skeptical troll is epic! :bhammer: And if you want a more RPG like campaign, you could try Oath of Allegiance by Kwandulin 20181006 04:39:23-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20181006 04:42:13-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20181006 04:45:05-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 04:54:04-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20181006 04:55:49-!- galegosimpatico [~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:20:58-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20181006 05:23:22-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:23:35-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 05:24:14-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:24:21-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 05:24:55-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:25:07-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 05:25:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:25:53-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 05:26:17-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:26:39-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 05:37:02-!- Ravana_ [~Ravana@unaffiliated/ravana/x-2327071] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:47:27-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 05:58:24-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 06:18:22-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 06:20:10-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 08:10:05<+wesdiscordbot> Anyone having trouble accessing the server to download the files for the android version? 20181006 08:10:31<+wesdiscordbot> I get something that tells me there was an error while trying to reach packages 20181006 08:16:39<+wesdiscordbot> Error downloading data from http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth-on-android/files/1.14.4/datafiles/wesnoth-essential-1.14.4.zip/download 20181006 08:17:06<+wesdiscordbot> That's the error messege I'm getting while I'm trying to download the necessary packages for the game 20181006 08:17:35<+wesdiscordbot> Is this a common issue? Is there something I should do about it, or best just wait? 20181006 08:20:58<+wesdiscordbot> You could try asking here: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48327 20181006 08:55:48-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20181006 08:57:21-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 09:07:37-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20181006 09:08:14-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 09:48:50-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 09:49:53-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20181006 09:49:55-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20181006 10:02:03-!- Nokuro [~Nokuro@103.242.198.39] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 10:10:25<+wesdiscordbot> just curious 20181006 10:10:38<+wesdiscordbot> who wrote the original Elf unit descriptions? 20181006 10:10:43<+wesdiscordbot> Of how they basically demigods 20181006 10:10:56<+wesdiscordbot> even as nothing unit stats matches that 20181006 10:13:22-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181006 10:15:51-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 10:20:16<+wesdiscordbot> well, i did it 20181006 10:22:30<+wesdiscordbot> welp, i have finished Invasion from the Unknown 20181006 10:22:57<+wesdiscordbot> overall, great campaign, a bit hard, but that's not a big deal 20181006 11:00:30-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 11:07:32-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181006 11:07:38-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 11:10:44-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20181006 11:39:47< Nokuro> How is team and unit associated? Unit does not have any reference to team and team does not have any reference to unit. 20181006 11:40:14< Nokuro> Why it is designed in such an obnoxious way? 20181006 11:43:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 11:48:05-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181006 11:56:09<+wesdiscordbot> Nokuro: huh? 20181006 11:57:34<+wesdiscordbot> A unit is controlled by the player. Players are divided into competing teams. 20181006 11:58:15< Nokuro> Not directly, 20181006 11:58:32< Nokuro> there is no reference of controller in unit, instead it is on a team 20181006 11:59:27<+wesdiscordbot> When you say "instead it is on a team", are you talking about WML, or some ingame dialogue, or what? 20181006 11:59:44< Nokuro> No, I am talking about the code. 20181006 11:59:46< Nokuro> C++ 20181006 11:59:53<+wesdiscordbot> oh, can't help you thne, sorry 20181006 12:00:35<+wesdiscordbot> you can try #wesnoth-dev for c++ people 20181006 12:01:17< Nokuro> Right now I am on a IRC channel, people here claims that this irc is meant for engine development, but no one seems to help me today 20181006 12:01:39<+wesdiscordbot> #wesnoth-dev is for development, while #wesnoth is for support 20181006 12:01:53<+wesdiscordbot> (although in practice, #wesnoth is for general chat most of all ) 20181006 12:02:24< Nokuro> Okay, then I am going to post this on wesnoth-dev, thanks 20181006 12:09:09-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 12:39:54-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 12:50:23<+wesdiscordbot> English-Sminglish, who needs it 20181006 13:13:21-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181006 13:13:26-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 13:50:46<+wesdiscordbot> Tale of two brothers, where is ARVITH's stats and their army stats given? There is no units.cfg for this campaign. 20181006 13:52:58<+wesdiscordbot> Okay, got it, 20181006 13:53:09<+wesdiscordbot> In data/core/units 20181006 14:37:40-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181006 15:23:15-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 15:35:23-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 15:43:15-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 16:32:48-!- Nokuro [~Nokuro@103.242.198.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181006 16:39:08-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20181006 16:43:05-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 16:45:35-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 17:19:57-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 18:28:19<+wesdiscordbot> @blarumyrran All the unit descriptions were written by an elf 20181006 18:29:28<+wesdiscordbot> >Elves, unlike many other races, will quickly acknowledge and follow any of their peers who have experience in combat. In this they differ greatly from humanity, for whom leadership is often a matter of coercion and intimidation. The combination of their willingness to accept the wisdom of their leaders, and the tendency to choose leaders of merit is one of the quiet strengths of the elves. 20181006 18:30:07<+wesdiscordbot> >The longevity and natural intelligence of elves make them apt for military matters, enough even to counter their general distaste for war. Elves remember things much more clearly than humankind, and can often intuit what others can only be trained to do. Certainly, on those rare occasions when an elf sets his mind to war, the strategy that results is often the work of a master. 20181006 18:30:59<+wesdiscordbot> Pretty clear Elvish bias here 20181006 18:31:10<+wesdiscordbot> related: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=48137 20181006 18:31:23<+wesdiscordbot> nothing ever came of the elf descriptions, unfortunately 20181006 18:36:01< celticminstrel> What about the elf descriptions? 20181006 18:37:09<+wesdiscordbot> the thread that brought up changing some of their descriptions to be less... glowingly positive only ended up in changing the goblin spearman's description. 20181006 18:37:29< celticminstrel> Huh. Why's that? 20181006 18:38:44<+wesdiscordbot> nobody came up with a replacement that other people liked more 20181006 18:39:51-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 18:40:05<+wesdiscordbot> I just think it should be mentioned somewhere that the elves are the ones who wrote the descriptions. It shows that the elves are conceited and kind of racist better than just saying it outright. Show, don't tell. 20181006 18:45:37<+wesdiscordbot> " that the elves are the ones who wrote the descriptions" 20181006 18:47:52<+wesdiscordbot> what's your explanation 20181006 18:48:05<+wesdiscordbot> XD 20181006 18:49:09-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20181006 18:52:17< aeth> Just put a line at the end of each description that says, in a bit fancier of a way, "Translated from the original, written in Elvish" 20181006 18:53:15< celticminstrel> Something like " , translated frm the original Elvish by <translator's name>" 20181006 18:56:08< celticminstrel> Maybe you can omit the translator's name. 20181006 18:56:30< celticminstrel> Or "from the writings of <author's name>, translated from the original Elvish by <translator's name>" 20181006 18:57:30<+wesdiscordbot> <jyrkive> Or how about something like Wikipedia's "this article was translated" box? 20181006 18:57:31<+wesdiscordbot> <jyrkive> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cleanup_translation 20181006 19:09:30< celticminstrel> Eh, that doesn't really seem appropriate... 20181006 19:23:25-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 20:10:13<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> AoW3 unit descriptions had been in short story snippet format, with an made up author and title at the end for most of them given. Some of them had been even (a rather simple medieval) song or poetry. 20181006 20:11:02-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20181006 20:11:26-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 20:11:48-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 20:12:15-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 20:12:34-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 20:13:04-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 20:13:21-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 20:13:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 20:14:08-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20181006 20:37:05-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181006 20:39:55<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> I'd suggest maybe a 'recorded by the Ka'lian, translated by [Wesnothian Sage here]', but that may not fit as much, seeing how the Ka'lian is an elvish council of four-ish, and not one person. 20181006 20:43:57<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> 'as told by High Marshal [elvish name here], chief instructor of Elensefarian Academy.' yes, stuff like that could function. 20181006 20:44:47<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> Yeah, that probably would work, I think. 20181006 20:45:51<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> I'd suggest something like that with the dwarves//orcs//drakes as well, making the descriptions a sort of collection of records, but some species might be difficult due to geography, hostility and the sorts. 20181006 20:45:51<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> some of the supremacist sounding descriptions we can even attribute to Laendar(the elf guy who rebelled in Legend of Wesmere) 20181006 20:46:00<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> We could 20181006 20:58:02<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> To me, based on the descriptions of species, it seems humans and elves are viewed as 'positive', dwarves as neutral, and undead//orcs//drakes//saurians as 'negative'. 20181006 21:01:23<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> i suppose it makes sense for undead and orc to be in the negative, as from the perspective of humans those would be the invasive species they fight off. drakes and saurians however i feel rather should be in the neutral camp. 20181006 21:05:03<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> i mean there are no campaigns where drakes are staging an invasion into wesnoth, and while the rare appearance of saurians depict them as raider and robbers i dont think they as an whole race would generally resort to banditry in order to survive. 20181006 21:06:30<+wesdiscordbot> <Lucipurr> the interaction of human and drake would be such scarce and few that it probably doesnt make sense for humans to have an negative depiction of the drakish species. 20181006 21:09:15<+wesdiscordbot> <Kiiviing_Zindaal> >Big scary dragon like creatures >Small hissing stealing thieving creatures 20181006 21:09:40<+wesdiscordbot> <Kiiviing_Zindaal> Humans naturally fear anything new for the most part 20181006 21:11:04<+wesdiscordbot> <Kiiviing_Zindaal> And if everything you hear about a certain species is nasty rumors, you’re likely to believe them 20181006 21:25:06<+wesdiscordbot> <Not Hamel> I remember reading somewhere that humans fear the unknown or the strange, and that makes sense in the sense of Undead, Orcs, Drakes, etc, as they seem almost alienesque, and unknown, strange. 20181006 21:39:08-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20181006 21:54:58-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181006 22:03:18<+wesdiscordbot> <VYNLT> mhm 20181006 22:05:52-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 23:15:38-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181006 23:29:31-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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