--- Log opened Sat Oct 27 00:00:45 2018 20181027 00:16:27-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181027 02:40:44-!- Roots [~Roots@cpe-24-28-67-128.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 02:43:32<+wesdiscordbot> hell yea 20181027 02:43:44<+wesdiscordbot> just finished A Tale of Two Brothers on hardest settings 20181027 02:44:37<+wesdiscordbot> you actually need a Paladin on the third level or else it's super hard otherwise 20181027 03:32:30-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20181027 04:53:42< buhman> 20181026 21:51:17 error engine: Trying to add Blue duplicate - blue_duplicate_2 - 2 (28,23) over Blue - blue - 2 (28,22). 20181027 04:53:44< buhman> 20181026 21:51:17 error engine: The new unit was assigned underlying_id=17 to prevent duplicate id conflicts. 20181027 04:53:50< buhman> I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about this 20181027 04:54:26< buhman> I'm doing: https://ptpb.pw/kIyE/lua 20181027 05:09:23-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 05:35:31-!- Roots [~Roots@cpe-24-28-67-128.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181027 06:59:02-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20181027 07:11:19-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20181027 07:11:42-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 08:49:18-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 09:02:05<+wesdiscordbot> Hi everybody 20181027 09:09:12<+wesdiscordbot> hello 20181027 11:02:11-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 11:44:57-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc06208.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 12:14:59-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 12:31:05<+wesdiscordbot> I think arbitration opt-out clauses are incompatible with rule of law 20181027 12:31:53<+wesdiscordbot> You can't opt-out of your basic human rights and I believe that right to use courts is one of those rules 20181027 12:32:12<+wesdiscordbot> because otherwise you can't legally enforce your other rights 20181027 12:33:53<+wesdiscordbot> on the other hand court action can still be performed after arbitration 20181027 12:34:27<+wesdiscordbot> but arbitration doesn't support class action suits so there must be exception for class-action suits not requiring arbitration 20181027 12:48:27-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20181027 13:21:47-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20181027 13:50:25-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181027 13:51:49-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20181027 13:52:57-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 13:54:34-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Client Quit] 20181027 13:54:49-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 14:23:33-!- celmin|sleep [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20181027 14:27:06-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 14:32:58<+wesdiscordbot> @Ravana Is that much advertising allowed? https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=634637#p634637 20181027 14:33:33< Ravana_> no 20181027 14:33:53<+wesdiscordbot> it's definitely a spambot 20181027 14:40:24-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 14:44:24-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 14:55:35-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181027 15:01:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 15:30:37-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 15:46:03-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20181027 16:00:45-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20181027 16:10:07-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20181027 16:35:28-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 17:14:29-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 17:17:59<+wesdiscordbot> hello! 🙂 20181027 17:32:08-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 17:42:38<+wesdiscordbot> hi 20181027 17:58:28-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20181027 17:58:32-!- claymore_ [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 18:05:50<+wesdiscordbot> @loonycyborg I don't know Americal Law in deep, but I agree with you. In Italy you can make an agreement that enforce you to challenge in arbitration instead of challeng in front of a court (but higher court can be however accessed in some conditions... more or less to check that arbitration make the decision following the laws). This is an italian rule, but it is not applied when a person is a 'consumer' (when 'consumer' 20181027 18:05:50<+wesdiscordbot> european definition can be applied). That case no one can change "consumers law" rules that recognize the right to challeng in front of the judges located in the area where the consumer lives. 20181027 18:06:44<+wesdiscordbot> However no contract is allowed to DENY at all your right to make a challenge if you think your rights were infringed 20181027 18:09:30<+wesdiscordbot> So I agree that the clause that forbid at all the right to make a challenge should be considered not applicable. 20181027 18:10:09<+wesdiscordbot> There are also other laws which give European citizens rights which cannot be signed away, such as Article 77 of GDPR: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32016R0679 20181027 18:10:18<+wesdiscordbot> "Without prejudice to any other administrative or judicial remedy, every data subject shall have the right to lodge a complaint with a supervisory authority, in particular in the Member State of his or her habitual residence, place of work or place of the alleged infringement if the data subject considers that the processing of personal data relating to him or her infringes this Regulation." 20181027 18:10:40<+wesdiscordbot> no clause denies the right to make a challenge, it just restricts you from filing a suit in civil court 20181027 18:11:01<+wesdiscordbot> which implicitly denies class actions 20181027 18:11:25<+wesdiscordbot> this is still incompatible with european legislation though 20181027 18:13:29<+wesdiscordbot> @levstk I understand the fact you are trying to protect against class actions. But the restriction in civil court (if not accomplied with an arbitration that could be accessed on its place) could be considered not valid by some courts. 20181027 18:14:07<+wesdiscordbot> I am not sure because I don't know American law system. 20181027 18:14:54<+wesdiscordbot> you're allowed to get an arbitration and discord will even pay any costs past what a normal lawsuit would cost, provided the arbitration wasn't called frivilously 20181027 18:15:15<+wesdiscordbot> part of the problem too is that, at least in the US, arbitration is heavily biased in favor of the company being sued. so you not only can't be part of a class-action suit, but the chances of arbitration getting you anything is in the single digit percentage range. 20181027 18:15:59<+wesdiscordbot> biased how? 20181027 18:21:42<+wesdiscordbot> wolves can't be meaningfully charged with protecting life of sheep 😛 20181027 18:23:00<+wesdiscordbot> wolves as in arbiters? those are judges, the same judges that presided over court cases, so you're pretty much distrusting the whole legal system 20181027 18:23:15<+wesdiscordbot> the arbitrators are provided by for-profit companies, who lose business if their arbitrators don't get cases. 20181027 18:24:02<+wesdiscordbot> like if they kept ruling against the companies involved in the arbitration cases, for example 20181027 18:24:27<+wesdiscordbot> The Canadian Commercial Arbitration Centre (CCAC) is a private, non-profit organization, 20181027 18:24:41<+wesdiscordbot> The American Arbitration Association (AAA), is a not-for-profit organization 20181027 18:25:28<+wesdiscordbot> and class actions are biased towards law firms, since they get enormous amounts of money and the class members get next to nothing 20181027 18:25:41<+wesdiscordbot> Arbitration service providers are large and small, NOT FOR PROFIT and for profit 20181027 18:27:09<+wesdiscordbot> you need to hire an arbiter in america though and they give you a bill in the range of 100s of dolars per hour 20181027 18:27:21<+wesdiscordbot> not sure which part of this is nonprofit 20181027 18:27:40<+wesdiscordbot> at least with class actions the company has to pay some amount of money. even if the lawyers get it, it's a deterrent. 20181027 18:27:55<+wesdiscordbot> The arbitrator Discord is using is JAMS. 20181027 18:27:56<+wesdiscordbot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAMS_(organization) 20181027 18:28:05<+wesdiscordbot> https://discordapp.com/terms 20181027 18:28:12<+wesdiscordbot> "The arbitration shall be conducted by a single arbitrator, governed by the rules of JAMS that are in effect at the time the arbitration is initiated (referred to as the “JAMS Rules”) and under the rules set forth in these Terms." 20181027 18:29:01<+wesdiscordbot> it's also much more expensive for the consumer to sue individually. 20181027 18:29:27<+wesdiscordbot> discord covers all expenses in excess of a normal suit 20181027 18:30:04<+wesdiscordbot> To be fair a normal suit still costs quite a bit 20181027 18:30:58<+wesdiscordbot> uhm don't know American law, but in Italy an arbitration made by a single arbiter is considered unvalid. The arbiters (at least in italy) should be at least 3 and half of the arbiters should be choosed by each side. A single arbiter means that the arbiter will be choosed by only one side, wich will open an issue about the objectiveness of the arbitration judgment 20181027 18:31:20<+wesdiscordbot> the few hundred people who end up having the time and motivation to go through arbitration are going to end up paying more than if there was a single class action suit with thousands or (often) more people involved. 20181027 18:33:38<+wesdiscordbot> Whereas here Discord is hiring a for-profit company to provide arbitration services using rules they and the company they hired wrote. 20181027 18:34:31<+wesdiscordbot> regardless of which, the arbitration clause and class action waiver are legal 20181027 18:34:52<+wesdiscordbot> and you need to agree with the terms of service to use the service 20181027 18:34:55<+wesdiscordbot> legal, sure 20181027 18:35:22<+wesdiscordbot> it has made be consider trying out IRC though 20181027 18:35:36<+wesdiscordbot> and glad I never paid for Nitro or whatever 20181027 18:35:57<+wesdiscordbot> you could move to the EU instead 😛 20181027 18:35:59<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon that said it is understandable that discord is trying to find a way to protect agains US class-action. US class-action can be a very disaster for a company, and while in some circoumstances this fact is right (company that causes high damages to a lot of people, for example), in other situations the class action could lead to a risk to expose a company in an 'unfairy' amount of costs (if compared to the actual 20181027 18:36:00<+wesdiscordbot> 'damage' caused to people) 20181027 18:36:04<+wesdiscordbot> sorry for bad english 20181027 18:36:09<+wesdiscordbot> In my experience IRC is perfectly usable. Less features than Discord, sure, but it's... okay. 20181027 18:36:37<+wesdiscordbot> @Nobun Right, I understand why they are doing it. It's just ridiculous that they are able to. 20181027 18:37:13<+wesdiscordbot> all companies, regardless of the flowery PR-speak, look after their bottom line. 20181027 18:37:34<+wesdiscordbot> and part of the involves reducing their legal exposure 20181027 18:37:55<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive I use both IRC and discord 😛 20181027 18:37:56<+wesdiscordbot> I mean. I’m not sure what the fuss is about, considering they’re are plenty of better, and worse, apps out there 20181027 18:38:27<+wesdiscordbot> It’s not like they don’t have competition 20181027 18:38:51<+wesdiscordbot> it's only discord and IRC for wesnoth though, which I kinda need to be involved in 😛 20181027 18:39:04<+wesdiscordbot> @Nobun So do I. I just don't hang out in Wesnoth's public IRC channels (it would be pointless because of the IRC-Discord bridge). 20181027 18:40:34<+wesdiscordbot> it depends. At the moment I write both in discord and irc. It depends if I am speaking to a discord or an IRC users (to be able to use tab or @ to easily write the nick of the person who I am speaking with) 20181027 18:41:02-!- Nobun [~user@51.179.111.48] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 18:41:35<+wesdiscordbot> I only show up in IRC when I need to use channel moderation tools (such as a couple of weeks ago when I needed to silence the bot that tells about commits... due to pushing over 1500 commits at once). 20181027 18:42:13<+wesdiscordbot> yeah. This is a good reason. 20181027 18:42:35<+wesdiscordbot> But I am speaking as a simple user, not as chan op (I am not a chan op :P) 20181027 18:42:40<+wesdiscordbot> if it's just for wesnoth, IRC works fine anyway, you don't really need any of the stuff that discord adds to basic IRC, like twitch/patreon integration, media embedding and voice chat 20181027 18:44:10<+wesdiscordbot> the only thing you might miss in basic irc is the fact that discord downloads the whole server history rather than just whatever's posted while you're online 20181027 18:44:51<+wesdiscordbot> and you can get around that anyway 20181027 18:44:56<+wesdiscordbot> Not a problem. We keep our own logs. 20181027 18:44:57<+wesdiscordbot> https://wesnoth.org/irclogs/ 20181027 18:45:11<+wesdiscordbot> Also, what's the point of having class action suits in the law if a corp can just make them go away with single line in a contract? 20181027 18:45:35<+wesdiscordbot> either remove them from legal practice or make all such clauses not apply to class action 20181027 18:46:13<+wesdiscordbot> class action waivers apply speciffically to class actions though 20181027 18:46:21<+wesdiscordbot> @levstk yeah. Discord seems that does not have a way to save a log, unlike in IRC 20181027 18:46:30<+wesdiscordbot> Yes, what's the point of allowing such waivers? 20181027 18:46:48<+wesdiscordbot> either judge them unenforceable or remove class action from legal practice 20181027 18:47:04<+wesdiscordbot> otherwise all contracts will be just polluted with that extra clause 20181027 18:48:05<+wesdiscordbot> there's already one de-centralized alternative to discord in the works: matrix.org 20181027 18:48:33<+wesdiscordbot> the american legal system is riddled with "outs" for buisnisses 🤷 20181027 18:48:35<+wesdiscordbot> lets you have personal servers and manage storage of your conversation history 20181027 18:49:45<+wesdiscordbot> @loonycyborg In theory, people can reject a service due to the presence of the arbitration clause. "Company A has an arbitration clause in its ToS! I'll use service of company B that doesn't have one!" 20181027 18:49:59<+wesdiscordbot> lol that's silly theory 20181027 18:50:23<+wesdiscordbot> if it becomes part of current practice nobody with refrain from adding such a clause 20181027 18:50:27<+wesdiscordbot> because there's no point 20181027 18:51:09<+wesdiscordbot> As far as I can tell, the American way of thinking relies on consumers making informed decisions, and understanding not to sign away their rights lightly. Whereas European thinking is not to even allow people to sign away some rights. 20181027 18:51:43<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think so 20181027 18:51:54<+wesdiscordbot> consumers generally don't make informed decisions though 20181027 18:52:00<+wesdiscordbot> both countries would disallow you to sell yourself in slavery for example 20181027 18:52:08<+wesdiscordbot> they just take whatever's cheap 20181027 18:52:19<+wesdiscordbot> or deny yourself any goverment service 20181027 18:52:41<+wesdiscordbot> or anything like that 20181027 18:53:04<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon this is a screenshot of IRC (I am using a textual irc client, but there are also irc clients that uses true GUI): https://imgur.com/a/Sa8L6lw 20181027 18:53:23-!- JyrkiVesterinen [~JyrkiVest@wesnoth/developer/jyrkive] has joined #wesnoth 20181027 18:54:44<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.adiirc.com/ is the IRC client I use (Windows-only). 20181027 18:55:10<+wesdiscordbot> This is what it looks like. 20181027 18:55:10<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/505816741457428489/unknown.png 20181027 18:55:29<+wesdiscordbot> (With my preferences. I have customized its looks heavily.) 20181027 18:57:54<+wesdiscordbot> never used anything other that xchat and it still seems fine to me 20181027 18:58:29<+wesdiscordbot> @jyrkive yeah but there is an other reason why Europe use a different approach. The reason is the customer has not the same power as the professionist/company. So why the European law restricts what professinists/companies can write in their contracts. Infact the customer has more or less no power on deciding contract terms. And saying 'you can simply not accept' is a form of a fake freedom since a service is somehow always 20181027 18:58:30<+wesdiscordbot> needed and all services write down the same clauses. 20181027 18:59:02<+wesdiscordbot> @levstk used xchat too. But I like more weechat (the ones I screenshooted) 20181027 18:59:06<+wesdiscordbot> It would be better not to start a debate about this. Political discussion is not allowed in this server. 20181027 18:59:35<+wesdiscordbot> ok 20181027 18:59:58<+wesdiscordbot> meh discord already has some questionable tos anyway 20181027 19:01:30<+wesdiscordbot> they may or may not have changed some of them 20181027 19:24:33-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 20181027 22:52:58<+wesdiscordbot> Your point is valid but no-one's going to do anything about it unless you do it yourself 20181027 22:53:18<+wesdiscordbot> i did show a bunch of new pickuppable items i did though! 20181027 22:53:22<+wesdiscordbot> This is a game made by a bunch of volunteer in their spare time 20181027 22:53:42<+wesdiscordbot> (And I know you know this) 20181027 22:56:38<+wesdiscordbot> so @shadowm do you think armor pickuppable items should be on wooden armos stands (like the current chinamila and goldenplate armor) or n ot? 20181027 22:57:21<+wesdiscordbot> i think it's ridiculous for some armos found in a random place to be on a neat wooden armor scarecrow 20181027 22:57:54<+wesdiscordbot> "Your point is valid" 20181027 22:57:59<+wesdiscordbot> Literally just said that 20181027 22:58:18<+wesdiscordbot> right and im currently working on replacing them 20181027 22:58:48<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think the old ones should or will be replaced though 20181027 22:59:04<+wesdiscordbot> https://i.imgur.com/Mtc8JZC.png 20181027 22:59:16<+wesdiscordbot> For example I use one of the armours in a situation where it should clearly be on a stand rather than just lying on the ground 20181027 22:59:50<+wesdiscordbot> So hopefully whoever handles this will have the common sense to add them as new items rather than replacing the existing ones 20181027 22:59:51<+wesdiscordbot> hm 20181027 23:00:11<+wesdiscordbot> "will have the common sense to add them as new items rather than replacing the existing ones" 20181027 23:00:16<+wesdiscordbot> WAIT WHAT 20181027 23:00:41<+wesdiscordbot> are you talking about some custom script or what 20181027 23:01:04<+wesdiscordbot> I am talking about the image files 20181027 23:02:23<+wesdiscordbot> @blarumyrran you said "replace" above. shadowm is saying they should just be added instead while still keeping the existing images. 20181027 23:03:19<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon i don't think that's what he meant 20181027 23:03:33<+wesdiscordbot> *she 20181027 23:03:38<+wesdiscordbot> sorry 20181027 23:03:39<+wesdiscordbot> What Pentarctagon said is what I meant 20181027 23:03:56<+wesdiscordbot> (And I can't see any alternative readings tbh) 20181027 23:04:30<+wesdiscordbot> but you are just talking sbout armora right? 20181027 23:04:47<+wesdiscordbot> We were both talking about the armour on stands 20181027 23:04:48<+wesdiscordbot> i think most of my upgraes are obviously better than the old ones 20181027 23:04:55<+wesdiscordbot> compared to my old shit 20181027 23:05:15<+wesdiscordbot> I saw you posted an image with unrelated items but we weren't talking about that 20181027 23:05:25<+wesdiscordbot> that is excelecnet 20181027 23:06:20<+wesdiscordbot> very well i will not deal with armors at all 20181027 23:07:30<+wesdiscordbot> sorry 20181027 23:11:09<+wesdiscordbot> sorry im drunk again, i just tend towards Wesnoth whenenver im drunk. apologies --- Log closed Sun Oct 28 00:00:18 2018