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20181114 16:07:46< hk238> Hmm after some discussions about the liminal mechanic. There seems to be two problems.
20181114 16:08:43< hk238> One is that liminals are not good against chaotic or lawful factions during either night or day, because they get the penalty. 
20181114 16:09:41< hk238> And then introducing steep changes between ToDs results to problems. For an example if there was a change that they get -25% night and +25% dawn +0% day it would have a problem
20181114 16:10:30< hk238> because if p2 attacks during -25% then player p1 has chance to counter attack at +25%. It doesn't happen the other way around if day is +0% though. But going from -25 to +25 directly has this kind of issue that it makes the p1 p2 matter too much
20181114 16:10:54< hk238> and second part is that they don't have a continuous period of time when they can attack, resulting to problems with dynamics
20181114 16:11:06< hk238> a small window of opportunity 
20181114 16:11:12< hk238> so I thought maybe you can fix them this way:
20181114 16:11:25< hk238> make the liminal units have -25% damage at night only, and -10% defense at day
20181114 16:11:43< hk238> that way they would have standard damage from dawn to dusk, which allows attacking continuously
20181114 16:12:21< hk238> so in liminal versus chaotic, the -10% defense doesn't matter a lot, because chaotic units also deal -25% less damage at day
20181114 16:12:38< hk238> which just makes them sort of like neutral units vs chaotic
20181114 16:12:48< hk238> on the other hand lawful matchup is trickier
20181114 16:13:27< hk238> it's a possibility anyway.. Could fix it by making a hidden trait? (are those even possible?) that gives liminal units fearless ability. And then creating the defense ability which gives a penalty at day time.
20181114 17:40:18<+wesdiscordbot> <sevu> they are possible
20181114 17:40:36<+wesdiscordbot> <sevu> just by giving no name to a trait
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