--- Log opened Sun Nov 11 00:00:30 2018 20181111 00:05:24-!- sevu [~sevu@p54854E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181111 00:15:48<+wesdiscordbot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNRQO4SB5RA 20181111 00:16:25<+wesdiscordbot> Hey does anyone know how this map is called? Is it available to download? 20181111 00:17:04<+wesdiscordbot> that's "A New Land", it's available in the base game (at least from version 1.14 onward, I forgot if it's available in 1.12) 20181111 00:17:19<+wesdiscordbot> Thank you! 20181111 00:17:26<+wesdiscordbot> mhmm 20181111 00:17:51-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 00:58:26-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20181111 01:05:41-!- HeyCitizen_ [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp140-02-70-54-163-158.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 01:07:42-!- HeyCitiz- [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 01:08:37-!- HeyCitizen [HeyCitizen@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/heycitizen] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20181111 01:10:18-!- HeyCitizen_ [~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp140-02-70-54-163-158.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20181111 01:12:43-!- HeyCitiz- is now known as HeyCitizen 20181111 01:17:03-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181111 03:08:33-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20181111 03:08:50-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 03:42:03<+wesdiscordbot> oooh I forgot you could recruit mermen spearmen in the south guard....merfolk only playthrough?? 😄 20181111 03:43:05<+wesdiscordbot> playing it normally for now, but I'm going to try that on easy difficulty sometime 🐟 20181111 03:44:45<+wesdiscordbot> :0 20181111 03:45:34<+wesdiscordbot> on easy mode (especially in the new version) you might be able to beat it without recruiting anything lol 20181111 03:47:56<+wesdiscordbot> hmm maybe normal difficulty then. the problem is the turn limit because the fish get stuck everywhere 😄 20181111 03:49:52<+wesdiscordbot> are you playing the original or new 20181111 03:51:20<+wesdiscordbot> I'm playing your new version 20181111 03:51:27<+wesdiscordbot> :0 20181111 03:51:32<+wesdiscordbot> just started, still on S1 20181111 03:51:34<+wesdiscordbot> ah 20181111 03:51:44<+wesdiscordbot> so most of the scenarios have new waterways for the mermfolk 20181111 03:51:49<+wesdiscordbot> just not S1 20181111 03:51:50<+wesdiscordbot> :p 20181111 03:52:09<+wesdiscordbot> oooooohhh I can't wait to use my fish!! 20181111 03:52:34<+wesdiscordbot> 🐠 20181111 03:52:35<+wesdiscordbot> I recruited some fish and I've been throwing spears at the enemy thugs 😄 20181111 03:53:51<+wesdiscordbot> unless I messed up something, I think the first scenario should be beatable in like 10 turns 20181111 03:54:16<+wesdiscordbot> though I give you 20 I think 20181111 03:58:25<+wesdiscordbot> ooh i think i'm going to start over and only recruit fish, this is going to be so fun! 🐟 20181111 04:06:42<+wesdiscordbot> 🦑 20181111 04:24:09<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi typo (?) in line 775 of Scenario 1: The very next night evening, 20181111 04:24:26<+wesdiscordbot> dfjlkasdfjlkasfj 20181111 04:26:42<+wesdiscordbot> I fixed it, ty 😣 20181111 04:57:40<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi Scenario 2 line 492: Deoran: Indeed, we have come to drive off these vile. seems like it's missing a noun? 20181111 04:57:55<+wesdiscordbot> also, hooray free fish 😃 20181111 04:57:58<+wesdiscordbot> . 20181111 04:59:07<+wesdiscordbot> typoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 20181111 04:59:15<+wesdiscordbot> 😭 20181111 09:08:23<+wesdiscordbot> Hey guys 20181111 09:09:01<+wesdiscordbot> Have you noticed the intermediate campings are so difficult?! 🙄 20181111 09:38:54-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 09:55:30-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 09:58:59-!- clavi [~anonymous@2a03:4000:24:446::1] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 20181111 10:00:32-!- clavi [~anonymous@2a03:4000:24:446::1] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 10:37:58-!- Lirion [~m00se@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has quit [Quit: echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlb xq |dc] 20181111 10:45:40-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 10:57:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181111 11:11:49<+wesdiscordbot> I have noticed that they are intermediate difficult, if that's what you mean. 20181111 13:37:56-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 14:01:35-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 14:02:22< celmin|away> Merfolk in TSG? o.o 20181111 14:03:13<+wesdiscordbot> They were there already when I played TSG myself (in 1.13.x). 20181111 14:04:51< celmin|away> I don't recall them when I played TSG, which was in 1.10. 20181111 14:04:56-!- celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel 20181111 14:07:59<+wesdiscordbot> Looks like you can find them in the first scenario, and if you do, they're available in some of the later scenarios. 20181111 14:08:29<+wesdiscordbot> Quick check with Git blame shows that they were present at least at the time of this commit: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8c61572b07a49eb5baf48f9a8e0b511e3a72c255 20181111 14:11:47<+wesdiscordbot> I recently completed TSG. It's quite easy to avoid them. There's a sunken village in the first Scenario. If you capture it, merfolk come out and you can then recruit them in future Scenarios. 20181111 14:11:54<+wesdiscordbot> Also, hi! I'm new here. 20181111 14:13:46<+wesdiscordbot> I guess it depends on the playing style. My earlier experience with turn-based strategy is from Heroes of Might and Magic 4, and in that game control of towns is extremely important. So of course my playing style in TSG (which is the only campaign I have played) was to capture every village in sight. 20181111 15:12:02-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181111 15:45:12-!- kitsunenokenja [~kitsunech@68.91.220.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20181111 16:03:09<+wesdiscordbot> It is a little known fact of wesnoth history that the south guard was actually Deoran leading an army of fish! 🐡 20181111 16:04:43<+wesdiscordbot> 🐟 20181111 16:05:48<+wesdiscordbot> doesn't have that emoji apparently 20181111 16:10:16-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 16:14:59<+wesdiscordbot> On the topic of TSG, is it bad that I found it quite difficult lol? 20181111 16:15:19<+wesdiscordbot> Vale of Tears and Choice In The Fog especially. 20181111 16:15:22<+wesdiscordbot> no 20181111 16:15:47<+wesdiscordbot> Choice in the Fog was never trivial 20181111 16:16:34<+wesdiscordbot> That makes me feel a bit better about barely beating the Scenario on the final turn by save scumming so I could kill the lich in time lol. 20181111 16:17:58<+wesdiscordbot> I can only imagine how much I'm going to struggle when I get to the Intermediate Campaigns. At least I'm better than I was. First time I played BFW was when I was around 6 or 7 on my dad's computer. Back then I couldn't even beat A Tale of Two Brothers. 20181111 16:18:04<+wesdiscordbot> this really makes me feel like I should reduce enemy income on that scenario lol 20181111 16:19:17<+wesdiscordbot> Tbh, it was mainly due to me being an idiot and thinking the two zombie leaders in the SW were the "Source of Undead" the game was talking about. By the time I realised the actual source was probably somewhere else it was like Turn 30. 20181111 16:19:18<+wesdiscordbot> For me, The Long March was by far the hardest scenatio. Choice in the Fog was outright easy compared with it. 20181111 16:20:31<+wesdiscordbot> Ah, I haven't played the Bandit path yet. I'll have to do that at some point. 20181111 16:20:32<+wesdiscordbot> yes, I actually ended up reducing the difficulty in those scenarios by quite a bit 20181111 16:20:56<+wesdiscordbot> but I still feel that Choice in the Fog may be a bit too hard 20181111 16:24:01<+wesdiscordbot> I think part of the reason I found TSG to be difficult was because I find Undead the most difficult faction to fight against. They have huge defense against most human units, the poison caused by Ghouls is a massive pain(especially on Choice in the Fog where the middle bit has almost no villages) and the ranged damage necromancer's and lich's can deal is insane. Not to mention the chaotic bonus they get permanently on 20181111 16:24:01<+wesdiscordbot> several of the scenarios. 20181111 16:25:49<+wesdiscordbot> If it wasn't for the turn limit, I'd probably find them a bit easier. Most Scenarios start off in the day which means by the time I recruit some units and get close to the enemy it's almost night where they're strongest. But I can't just hang back because I've got a time limit and can't afford to play defensively. 20181111 16:28:21<+wesdiscordbot> 🤔 20181111 16:29:03<+wesdiscordbot> guess I'll preemptively reduce enemy income a little 20181111 16:29:04<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, undead would be easier to fight at -25% than +25% for sure 😛 20181111 16:29:44-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 16:31:50<+wesdiscordbot> @Inky I just uploaded an updated version if you want to get that before you continue :p 20181111 16:32:28<+wesdiscordbot> although if you've passed Choice in the Fog already then it won't matter 20181111 16:34:01<+wesdiscordbot> It's okay if the campaigns is hard on the the higher diffculties… 20181111 16:35:23< sevu> Just assume that newbies choose easy difficulty, and if not, that they do so because they don't want it to be trivial 20181111 16:35:34-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181111 16:37:25<+wesdiscordbot> Okay, I’m on vale of tears. My fish like the new map 😄 20181111 16:42:53-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 16:44:10<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20181111 16:44:30<+wesdiscordbot> I wonder if I should modify S7-8 then 20181111 16:45:38<+wesdiscordbot> although I guess in theory you can use fishies there 20181111 16:55:36< celticminstrel> If they were already there, maybe I just missed them. 20181111 17:23:14-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181111 17:46:28-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181111 17:59:49-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 19:49:22-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #wesnoth 20181111 20:27:15-!- sevu [~sevu@edu243012.nat.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181111 20:42:35<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi I think that sneaky elf Ethiliel has been charging me 3 gold per turn even though she has the loyal trait 20181111 20:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20181111 20:44:59<+wesdiscordbot> service fees 20181111 20:47:05<+wesdiscordbot> minister hylas deserves a raise, he's been doing 99% of the work 20181111 20:47:48<+wesdiscordbot> i'm on the cave scenario and that eyestalk is moving towards me one hex at a time, very intimidating! 😄 20181111 20:48:00<+wesdiscordbot> hahahaha 20181111 20:48:01<+wesdiscordbot> creepy crawlie 20181111 20:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> ahhh... just the other day someone found such a bug: @Yumi can you intsert {CLEAR_VARIABLE EthilielV.upkeep} in the victory event, where the other clear happens too 20181111 20:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> oooh i get to control the trolls now 20181111 20:54:52<+wesdiscordbot> in S3 20181111 20:55:05<+wesdiscordbot> you… control them yourself? 20181111 20:55:07<+wesdiscordbot> is Grek the troll supposed to be able to recruit? Just recruited an elf with him 😄 20181111 20:55:20<+wesdiscordbot> yea i'm playing Yumi's new version 20181111 20:55:40<+wesdiscordbot> well I suppose technically he should be able to 20181111 20:55:48<+wesdiscordbot> although that might be an oversight from me 🤔 20181111 20:55:59<+wesdiscordbot> idk if that's a problem though 🤔 20181111 20:57:23<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not sure if it's a good idea giving trolls to the player… So... you can take them back to Westin? Or you lose your leveld up trolls afterwards? both strange… 20181111 20:57:29<+wesdiscordbot> @sevu do I need to insert that clear before or after I give her the loyal trait? 20181111 20:57:42<+wesdiscordbot> doesn't matter, I did it before 20181111 20:58:13<+wesdiscordbot> (just before the [unstore]) 20181111 20:59:01<+wesdiscordbot> Hey, is there anywhere specific where I can request another campaign? 20181111 20:59:19<+wesdiscordbot> what do you mean request? 😮 20181111 20:59:43<+wesdiscordbot> like a new one to be made, added to mainline, or what 20181111 20:59:57<+wesdiscordbot> A new one to be made 20181111 21:00:10<+wesdiscordbot> what about making one yourself 😄 20181111 21:00:24<+wesdiscordbot> I wish I could but I dont know how, lol 20181111 21:01:04<+wesdiscordbot> I really think there should be another merfolk/naga campaign 20181111 21:01:09<+wesdiscordbot> do you have a script with all the dialog/narration? 20181111 21:01:22<+wesdiscordbot> A good way to learn is to look at other people's campaign files 😃 20181111 21:01:35<+wesdiscordbot> No, just simply asking if thats how you request 20181111 21:01:38<+wesdiscordbot> and yesssssssssssss to another merfolk campaign!!! 20181111 21:02:01<+wesdiscordbot> Well there is Return of the Monster (naga campaign) by skyone for wesnoth 1.12 20181111 21:02:38<+wesdiscordbot> Yumi just turned TSG in a Merfolk campaign :p 20181111 21:02:53<+wesdiscordbot> 🐟 🐬 🐠 20181111 21:03:24<+wesdiscordbot> Make Deoran merfolk 20181111 21:03:30<+wesdiscordbot> it can be the ultimate twist 20181111 21:03:40<+wesdiscordbot> no that's inky's fault 🐠 20181111 21:04:02<+wesdiscordbot> Will check out Return of the Monster 20181111 21:04:10<+wesdiscordbot> But that wouod be awesome Yumi 20181111 21:05:30<+wesdiscordbot> and if you like sea creatures there is Inky's quest!!! 🦑 20181111 21:05:44<+wesdiscordbot> (by telchin, nothing to do with me) 20181111 21:07:20<+wesdiscordbot> Campaigns need to be created by someone… it's not too hard, but takes time… For the map, just open an existing one in the map editor… for the campaign, just take the first scenario (or any) of some campaogn you like, and adjust it. WML has very good Documentation, you will find your way from there on 20181111 21:45:20<+wesdiscordbot> Hmm I can't recruit merfolk anymore in Into the Depths, is that intended? they're actually not entirely useless in that scenario because of all the swamp 20181111 21:46:17<+wesdiscordbot> no that's not intended :< 20181111 21:48:01<+wesdiscordbot> In the original, they go with Sir Gerrick so you can't use them anymore after his scenario. 20181111 21:48:28<+wesdiscordbot> ah cool, my brilliant plan for fighting the ancient lich was mass suiciding mermen hunters into him 20181111 21:48:46<+wesdiscordbot> Lol, yeah, I think you keep Merfolk in the bandit path. 20181111 21:49:00<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20181111 21:49:03<+wesdiscordbot> you're sacrificing 20181111 21:49:05<+wesdiscordbot> the precious fishies 20181111 21:49:07<+wesdiscordbot> I'm playing the elven path 20181111 21:49:57<+wesdiscordbot> one does not simply sacrifice his fish 20181111 21:50:10<+wesdiscordbot> 🎣 20181111 21:50:24<+wesdiscordbot> nooo 20181111 21:50:36<+wesdiscordbot> hm 20181111 21:50:41<+wesdiscordbot> 🍥 20181111 21:50:46<+wesdiscordbot> something apparently has broken a bunch of my emojis 20181111 21:51:03<+wesdiscordbot> restart discord? 20181111 21:51:04<+wesdiscordbot> :0 20181111 21:51:33<+wesdiscordbot> how are you supposed to fight the lich normally? sacrifice so elvish sorceresses? 🤔 20181111 21:51:51<+wesdiscordbot> he has 4 moves 20181111 21:52:09<+wesdiscordbot> so I just rushed him with sir gerrick's slow, and then everyone else murdered him 20181111 21:52:10<+wesdiscordbot> :0 20181111 21:53:24<+wesdiscordbot> ooh that's a good plan 😄 20181111 21:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> or you can mass suicide your fishies u_u 20181111 21:54:45<+wesdiscordbot> after I fix the recruits 20181111 21:55:31<+wesdiscordbot> another way is to bait out with a lvl 1 sacrifice then maul him on flat ground or in swamp 20181111 21:57:26<+wesdiscordbot> yeah I think i will try dangling a fish in his range, fishing for liches 20181111 21:57:59<+wesdiscordbot> usually you use bait ot catch fishes, but now the fish has become the bait in a strange turn of events :thonk: 20181111 21:59:39<+wesdiscordbot> Maybe I have to update the plugin somehow? 20181111 21:59:40<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/511298986750246917/unknown.png 20181111 22:01:31<+wesdiscordbot> :GWfroggyMonkaThink: 20181111 22:02:16<+wesdiscordbot> if you have the latest version of TLU, that's just a bug 🤔 20181111 22:03:10<+wesdiscordbot> There are Fencers in the Legends of the Invincibles campaign but fencers weren't around until guns were made REEEE 20181111 22:04:17<+wesdiscordbot> do merfolk ever go fishing? i mean they have arms and stuff so they could. but do they even eat fish? do they eat people too? so many questions 😄 20181111 22:40:22-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 20181111 22:43:53<+wesdiscordbot> @Equinox Duh, dwarves already made Guns ages ago, so what's the problem? 20181111 22:44:13<+wesdiscordbot> I just got owned like a libtard 20181111 22:51:50<+wesdiscordbot> @Equinox Please avoid language like that here. 20181111 23:23:37<+wesdiscordbot> I apologize 20181111 23:30:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Nov 12 00:00:32 2018