--- Log opened Sun Dec 16 00:00:51 2018 20181216 00:17:16-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181216 00:40:21<+wesdiscordbot> Just started checking out wings of victory. So the drakes enslave people and also use them as snacks? 😧 I always imagined drakes would be a bit nicer 🐉 20181216 00:45:25<+wesdiscordbot> Uh 20181216 00:45:32<+wesdiscordbot> They didn't seem interested in humans as food in TRoW 20181216 00:46:38<+wesdiscordbot> They just wanted to kill them for being trouble in some way 20181216 00:54:16<+wesdiscordbot> they hunt humans for food in S1 20181216 00:54:28<+wesdiscordbot> [message] speaker=Vank # po: "Runners" is a Drake term for escaped slaves hunted as game. message= _ "Galun, I think I spy runners. Away north, past the slave farms." [/message] [message] speaker=Galun message= _ "... What? ... Sorry, I wasn't listening...." [/message] [message] speaker=Vank message= _ "What is 20181216 00:54:28<+wesdiscordbot> wrong with you? I have not seen you so distracted in ages." [/message] [message] speaker=Galun message= _ "I'm concerned for all of us. The next hatching is near and prey grow scarce." [/message] [message] speaker=Vank message= _ "And if you don't bring your mind back to the hunt, Galun, we'll go hungry right now. We are not Dominants; what can we do 20181216 00:54:29<+wesdiscordbot> about the future?" [/message] 20181216 00:54:40<+wesdiscordbot> [message] speaker=Vank #po: "long pig" is South Seas pidgin for human meat. message= _ "Ah! A good hunt. Short and long pig both." [/message] [message] speaker=Galun message= _ "Indeed, but runners are getting hard to find, even though we do let some of our slaves escape to stock the ranges. Too many hunters, not enough game." [/message] 20181216 00:55:03<+wesdiscordbot> well, I guess humans are their slaves and then ones who escape are hunted for food 20181216 00:58:12<+wesdiscordbot> seems they even do so intentionally 20181216 00:59:45<+wesdiscordbot> That seems pretty against their interactions with the Northern Alliance in NR 20181216 00:59:47<+wesdiscordbot> that does strike me as pretty odd though 20181216 00:59:49<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20181216 01:13:12-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181216 01:21:18<+wesdiscordbot> @shadowm That gets cleared up in the epilogue. 20181216 01:22:58<+wesdiscordbot> Also, WoV takes place about 3YW, so NR takes place more than 500 years later. 20181216 01:58:46-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181216 06:52:25-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20181216 07:52:30<+wesdiscordbot> i thought drakes didnt eat 20181216 07:52:33<+wesdiscordbot> or something 20181216 09:25:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 10:10:34-!- jaggiJ [~python@zville/creator/jaggiJ] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 10:37:54-!- jaggiJ [~python@zville/creator/jaggiJ] has left #wesnoth ["part"] 20181216 10:57:00<+wesdiscordbot> Do you prefer SP or MP? 20181216 12:18:54-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 12:25:25-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 13:49:02-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 13:49:37<+wesdiscordbot> Mp! ^* 20181216 13:49:46<+wesdiscordbot> ^^ i like 2vs2 games 20181216 14:42:46<+wesdiscordbot> Singleplayer. I struggle with the Novice Campaigns even with save scumming, I'd probably get eaten alive if I tried multiplayer. 20181216 14:49:11-!- Soo_Slow [Soo_Slow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sooslow/x-31376162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181216 16:23:08-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20181216 18:35:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 21:10:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20181216 21:40:34-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181216 21:46:56<+wesdiscordbot> Well, I just barely survived that Lich scenario in Heir To The Throne. That was insanely hard but also pretty epic. 20181216 21:49:50<+wesdiscordbot> It got to the point where I moved all my units behind the mountains to the west and sent the units I needed to keep alive further north while the rest held them back. As much as it hurt I left Moremirmu behind when he was the only non-required unit left. He fought them off for like 3-4 turns levelling up to a Lvl 3 Mage Of Light(is that what it's called?) halfway through until he eventually perished. I ended the scenario 20181216 21:49:51<+wesdiscordbot> with Delfador and Kalenz barely surviving on red health. I can't wait till I get to the Intermediate Campaigns and get completely destroyed every scenario. 20181216 21:54:26< celticminstrel> Heh. 20181216 21:54:32< celticminstrel> Just play them on easy then? 20181216 21:56:26<+wesdiscordbot> I want to git gud though, and I feel like I'll get negligent if I make things too easy for myself. 20181216 21:57:36< celticminstrel> Just FTR, if you want to get good in MP matches, campaigns will only help so much. Campaign maps are not really balanced, and the AI is not as good as a human. 20181216 21:58:59< celticminstrel> Anyway, there's nothing wrong in starting with easier stuff and dialling it up from there. If normal is too hard, play on easy until it's truly easy, and only then try normal? 20181216 21:59:40< celticminstrel> (Sounds like you did okay in HTTT mind you? And I'm pretty sure it's not the easiest of campaigns.) 20181216 21:59:57<+wesdiscordbot> campaign strategies are different than MP strategies 20181216 22:00:01<+wesdiscordbot> I mainly just want to git gud at the game itself before I try MP. I'm horrible at strategy games, especially in multiplayer. I've already learned a lot just playing through the first three campaigns. A few years ago I didn't even know how to properly level up units. 20181216 22:00:02<+wesdiscordbot> (I wouldn't call that result 'okay'.) 20181216 22:00:17< celticminstrel> He survived, so... 20181216 22:00:40<+wesdiscordbot> playing against the ai will at least teach you really good fundamentals 20181216 22:00:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181216 22:00:50<+wesdiscordbot> like how to position your units, zone control, managing gold, etc. 20181216 22:01:21<+wesdiscordbot> I haven't found HTTT that difficult until this scenario with the liches, it really caught me off guard. I thought it'd be like the second mission where you get a bunch of lancer allies to help against a single orc leader and surviving would be pretty straightforward. Then they sent like 15 Wraiths after me and I realised I messed up. 20181216 22:01:33<+wesdiscordbot> that one's probably the hardest one in the campaign 20181216 22:02:05<+wesdiscordbot> That's good to know. I don't think I can handle another scenario as hard as that one. 20181216 22:02:27<+wesdiscordbot> The only one I've struggled with anywhere near as much was the fog scenario in TSG. 20181216 22:02:43<+wesdiscordbot> that one's also not trivial 20181216 22:02:47<+wesdiscordbot> But how many advanced unit does he have left..? 20181216 22:02:51<+wesdiscordbot> (even in the reworked version) 20181216 22:03:05<+wesdiscordbot> Though that was mainly because I was an idiot and thought the two zombies at the bottom were what I needed to kill and by the time I realised they weren't I was on like Turn 25/35. 20181216 22:03:27<+wesdiscordbot> I didn't use any advanced units apart from Moremirmu who you're forced to use. I didn't want to risk them lol. 20181216 22:04:02<+wesdiscordbot> And again, I thought it would be straightforward so I just recruited two turns of Lvl 1 units. 20181216 22:04:09< celticminstrel> Did you use the holy water? 20181216 22:04:28<+wesdiscordbot> Yes... for about five seconds. 20181216 22:04:31< celticminstrel> XD 20181216 22:06:14<+wesdiscordbot> I prefer SP because I can play whenver I want and wait as long 20181216 22:06:27<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, and you can save scum if the RNG isn't favourable xD 20181216 22:06:36<+wesdiscordbot> I don't do that anymore. 20181216 22:06:54< celticminstrel> Sometimes I do that, sometimes I just can't be bothered. >_> 20181216 22:07:02<+wesdiscordbot> I've been clean for multiple months. 20181216 22:07:06<+wesdiscordbot> I'm sorta tempted to go back and reset until the RNG is good enough that Moremirmu survives, but I feel that would be disrespecting his sacrifice. 20181216 22:07:06< celticminstrel> "clean" 20181216 22:07:20<+wesdiscordbot> Well, it is some kind of addiction. 😄 20181216 22:07:44<+wesdiscordbot> And it'd probably take a while. The RNG was really good first time around. He only died on the last turn after 3-4 turns of sustained assault. 20181216 22:07:49< celticminstrel> Eh, it's only Moremirmu after all - that is, only one person. Right? So, it may not be great that you lost him but it's probably not devastating? 20181216 22:07:57<+wesdiscordbot> Also, I want to have played every single SP campaign. 20181216 22:08:05< celticminstrel> Surely you have some other units with arcane attacks? 20181216 22:08:11< celticminstrel> An enchantress for example? 20181216 22:08:15<+wesdiscordbot> Which I can now realize sometime in the future, because I know how to keep laurels. 😄 20181216 22:08:26< celticminstrel> Or even just a sorceress. Sorry, I got the levels mixed up. 20181216 22:08:34<+wesdiscordbot> Well, if there are any more undead scenarios he'd probably be a huge MVP. Undead is the faction I struggle against the most and Elves/Humans aren't very effective against them for the most part. 20181216 22:08:48< celticminstrel> MVP? 20181216 22:08:54<+wesdiscordbot> "Most Valuable Player" 20181216 22:08:57< celticminstrel> Yes he'd be very helpful in the later undead scenarios.3 20181216 22:09:13< celticminstrel> However, there are other units you can get that would be nearly as helpful. 20181216 22:09:22< celticminstrel> Paladins or elvish sorceresses, at least. 20181216 22:09:32<+wesdiscordbot> I think I have one Elvish Druid or whatever the second level one is, and I can recruit mages/shamans but that's about it. 20181216 22:09:35< celticminstrel> Maybe red mages as well. 20181216 22:09:49<+wesdiscordbot> Don't think I've ever got a paladin. 20181216 22:09:51< celticminstrel> So recruit some shamans and level them to sorceress. Or recruit some horsemen and level them to paladin. 20181216 22:09:59< celticminstrel> Is paladin level 2 or 3? I forget. 20181216 22:10:12<+wesdiscordbot> Think it might be 3, I've got several Lvl 2 horsemen. 20181216 22:10:30< celticminstrel> Any red mages? 20181216 22:11:24<+wesdiscordbot> Nah, I haven't used mages that much so far. I'll probably try to level some up the next few scenarios. Think I have one who's pretty close to levelling that I could recall. 20181216 22:11:30< celticminstrel> The entire shaman line is actually not too bad against undead since their entangle/ensnare is impact, but the sorceress branch is obviously better than the druid branch. 20181216 22:11:51< celticminstrel> Of course, white mages are also good. 20181216 22:12:01< celticminstrel> (Moremirmu is a modified white mage himself IIRC.) 20181216 22:12:18<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, he's pretty much the same but he also has a really powerful Arcane melee attack. 20181216 22:12:24< celticminstrel> (Modified in that he has a holy sword with arcane damage instead of a regular staff with impact.) 20181216 22:13:00<+wesdiscordbot> I'm glad I decided to go the Ship Route. Don't think I could have survived without him. Or at least, it would have taken me a few more attempts. 20181216 22:13:00< celticminstrel> Oh, and it's not as useful in HTTT specifically, but the mermaids can level up to a unit with an arcane attack. 20181216 22:16:28<+wesdiscordbot> And those ones are healers! 20181216 22:16:38< celticminstrel> So's the white mage and the paladin. 20181216 22:16:46< celticminstrel> IIRC paladin has minor heal? 20181216 22:16:55< celticminstrel> So not as good as all your other healers, but still something. 20181216 22:17:04< celticminstrel> (minor, ie +4) 20181216 22:17:36< celticminstrel> So your only arcane non-healer would be the sorceress line. 20181216 22:19:17<+wesdiscordbot> slow is still extremely powerful 20181216 22:19:26< celticminstrel> True. 20181216 22:19:33< celticminstrel> They lose healing but they do keep slow. 20181216 22:19:51<+wesdiscordbot> I like using druids/whitemagi in many cases 20181216 22:24:14<+wesdiscordbot> I like having everything, just in case. 20181216 22:35:24<+wesdiscordbot> I like spamming spectres 😄 20181216 22:37:33<+wesdiscordbot> I like fish 😄🐠 20181216 22:39:40<+wesdiscordbot> 🐟 20181216 22:41:49<+wesdiscordbot> as Dead Water shows, undead are no match for the might of fish! 🐠 20181216 22:42:07< celticminstrel> Merfolk are actually pretty bad against undead TBH. 20181216 22:42:29< celticminstrel> The hunter line and the fighter line are almost useless, though the netcaster is decent. 20181216 22:42:41<+wesdiscordbot> 🐟 😠 20181216 22:42:42< celticminstrel> The brawler is probably okay too, maybe that's why it was added. 20181216 22:42:56< celticminstrel> And of course the priestess is really good against undead. 20181216 22:43:13< celticminstrel> Though actually all the mermaid line units aren't too bad. 20181216 22:43:25<+wesdiscordbot> well 20181216 22:43:28<+wesdiscordbot> if you lure UD into water 20181216 22:43:32<+wesdiscordbot> it's a whitewash 20181216 22:43:45< celticminstrel> Well, I guess there's a point there, the undead have poor water defense while merfolk have great water defense. 20181216 22:44:14<+wesdiscordbot> I bet even Inky isn't crazy enough to use merfolk on maps with mostly dry land/forst 20181216 22:44:15<+wesdiscordbot> forest 20181216 22:44:20<+wesdiscordbot> or is she? :thonk: 20181216 22:44:48<+wesdiscordbot> 🌲 🐟 20181216 22:45:23<+wesdiscordbot> 🐠 + 🔥 = 🍥 20181216 22:45:36<+wesdiscordbot> 😱 20181216 22:45:50<+wesdiscordbot> I remember recalling my level 3 mermen for the final battle in HttT just because I had so much gold, they died reallly quick though 😦 20181216 22:46:45<+wesdiscordbot> we need Yumi to remake httt to be more fish friendly!!! 20181216 22:46:52<+wesdiscordbot> maybe I should make some fish demons for my campaign 🤔 20181216 22:48:05<+wesdiscordbot> httt is too long for me to deal with D: 20181216 22:48:47<+wesdiscordbot> there is even a scenario where you are supposed to bring a fish through a cave 20181216 22:49:04<+wesdiscordbot> 😣 20181216 22:49:29<+wesdiscordbot> that sounds pretty silly 😱 20181216 23:04:14< celticminstrel> ... 20181216 23:04:21< celticminstrel> "fish cake with swirld design" 20181216 23:04:24< celticminstrel> Seriously now? 20181216 23:04:30< celticminstrel> ^swirl 20181216 23:04:46< celticminstrel> How is that even something identifiable? 20181216 23:04:55<+wesdiscordbot> wha? 20181216 23:04:59< celticminstrel> Your emoticon. 20181216 23:05:05<+wesdiscordbot> yah 20181216 23:05:05< celticminstrel> That's the Unicode name apparently. 20181216 23:05:10<+wesdiscordbot> you've never seen a fish cake like that? 20181216 23:05:33< celticminstrel> No? Though I'm probably seeing something different than you are. 20181216 23:05:40<+wesdiscordbot> what's it look like for you? 20181216 23:07:27< celticminstrel> If it's supposed to be a fish-shaped cake like taiyaki that might make a bit more sense, but what I'm seeing is just a white shape with a pink swirl on it. 20181216 23:08:04<+wesdiscordbot> yeah that's a common shape? :0 20181216 23:08:16< celticminstrel> It's a common shape sure. 20181216 23:08:23< celticminstrel> But nothing about it screams "fish". 20181216 23:08:37< celticminstrel> I mean it could just as easily be a sugar cookie or a salt cracker. 20181216 23:08:55<+wesdiscordbot> it's called kamaboko :0 20181216 23:09:00<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/523999993812746250/3102682.png 20181216 23:09:12<+wesdiscordbot> I think 20181216 23:09:40<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/524000161458814999/hqdefault.png 20181216 23:09:42<+wesdiscordbot> used in ramen and such 20181216 23:09:45< celticminstrel> FTR what I'm seeing is something like this (though obviously not that large). https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/apple/155/fish-cake-with-swirl-design_1f365.png 20181216 23:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> huh I've never seen those before, learned something new today! 😄 20181216 23:10:14< celticminstrel> Yeah, I've never seen them before either. 20181216 23:10:20<+wesdiscordbot> common topping for ramen, soba, udon :0 20181216 23:10:26<+wesdiscordbot> 😱 20181216 23:11:18< celticminstrel> Anyway I'm just shocked it could be considered to be recognizable enough to be added to Unicode. 20181216 23:11:39<+wesdiscordbot> 🤷 20181216 23:11:47< celticminstrel> My fonts don't have that one. 20181216 23:12:25< celticminstrel> (ie I just see a square) 20181216 23:12:43<+wesdiscordbot> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 20181216 23:12:55<+wesdiscordbot> ^ this but in discord emoji form 20181216 23:12:59< celticminstrel> ... 20181216 23:13:03< celticminstrel> Oh okay. 20181216 23:14:48< celticminstrel> Oh I think this is the actual fish cake I was seeing, looks like Apple changed it at some point. https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/60/apple/21/fish-cake-with-swirl-design_1f365.png 20181216 23:15:24<+wesdiscordbot> I'm sure there's some process to it, but it also seems kinda like the approach to unicode is "we have tons of code points anyway, let's just add stuff". 20181216 23:15:57< celticminstrel> Yeah it is starting to feel that way. 20181216 23:16:39-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20181216 23:16:44< celticminstrel> But if that's the case, why haven't they added Tengwar? 20181216 23:17:56<+wesdiscordbot> too many characters? :0 20181216 23:18:12<+wesdiscordbot> also less pictury 20181216 23:18:16< celticminstrel> Tengwar has way fewer characters than Emoji. 20181216 23:19:31< celticminstrel> If they have room for all these emoji, some with extremely narrow use, then they definitely have room for Tengwar. 20181216 23:20:30< celticminstrel> According to Wikipedia there are just 93 code points in the Tengwar proposal, which was proposed in 1997 and AFAICT has seen no progress since then (or at least none since 2001). 20181216 23:38:18-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Log closed Mon Dec 17 00:00:52 2018