--- Log opened Thu Dec 27 00:00:07 2018 20181227 00:11:18<+wesdiscordbot> Yay❤️❤️ 20181227 01:39:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181227 05:43:28-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20181227 10:22:33-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20181227 10:23:31-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 11:02:37-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 13:30:43<+wesdiscordbot> What does 'good first issue' even mean? 20181227 13:48:56< Ravana> it is supposed to be something that someone not familiar with codebase can do 20181227 13:49:08< Ravana> but https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/2325 has that label and is not such issue 20181227 14:47:39<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks for pointing that out. I removed the label. 20181227 14:48:03<+wesdiscordbot> As you said, it's not supposed to be given to issues which aren't easy to address. 20181227 15:02:04<+wesdiscordbot> Now that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. 20181227 15:22:20-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celticminstrel 20181227 15:42:22<+wesdiscordbot> Hm 20181227 15:42:33<+wesdiscordbot> Have there ever been female orcs in any popular campaigns? 20181227 16:04:21-!- hk238 [~kvirc@unaffiliated/hk238] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 16:28:53<+wesdiscordbot> I think Bad Moon Rising has at least one but don't quote me on that 20181227 17:23:41-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 17:50:31<+wesdiscordbot> I know there have been 20181227 17:50:37<+wesdiscordbot> but I dont know which ones 20181227 17:50:45<+wesdiscordbot> I just remember seeing female orcs xD 20181227 17:51:08< celticminstrel> How about female dwarves? 20181227 17:55:36<+wesdiscordbot> I remember making campaigns for BfW when I was a kid 20181227 17:55:42<+wesdiscordbot> With horrendous art and whatnot 20181227 17:55:47<+wesdiscordbot> But now I want to make a serious one 20181227 17:55:56<+wesdiscordbot> Oooh I remember I really liked nagas 20181227 17:56:05<+wesdiscordbot> So I wanted to make a naga campaign 20181227 17:56:30<+wesdiscordbot> But at first I did not know how to make campaigns, so I just edited HotT to make everyone into nagas and literally drowned every fucking map 20181227 18:13:46< celticminstrel> XD 20181227 18:15:06<+wesdiscordbot> Then I made a faction called the Laxan 20181227 18:15:31<+wesdiscordbot> I don't remember anything about them other than that they lived in the snow, had good defense and mobility on frozen terrain, and looked like humans with glowing eyes 20181227 18:17:48<+wesdiscordbot> ...that's actually a good idea for a faction, ice magic humans 20181227 18:17:56< celticminstrel> Eh... 20181227 18:20:17-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20181227 18:42:30-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@gateway/tor-sasl/behalebabo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20181227 18:43:14-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@gateway/tor-sasl/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 18:50:23-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@gateway/tor-sasl/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20181227 18:50:48-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 19:03:47-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 19:16:03<+wesdiscordbot> Anyway 20181227 19:16:18<+wesdiscordbot> So I just realised that Son of the Black Eye is basically Legend of Wesmere but reversed 20181227 19:16:38<+wesdiscordbot> So I thought it'd be cool if Kalenz and Kapou'e met 20181227 19:25:46< celticminstrel> XD What 20181227 19:32:32<+wesdiscordbot> Kalenz is immortal 20181227 19:32:48<+wesdiscordbot> This is possible 20181227 19:33:23<+wesdiscordbot> But I mean, both were heroes who had to overcome the natural flaws of their respective races, and in doing so, unite them 20181227 19:33:33<+wesdiscordbot> Both were betrayed 20181227 19:33:46<+wesdiscordbot> Both had to ally with the humans late in their campaigns 20181227 19:47:28-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20181227 19:50:08<+wesdiscordbot> Both fought during winter 20181227 20:04:29-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 20:05:41< celticminstrel> Why is he immortal 20181227 20:05:52< celticminstrel> If he's immortal, why doesn't he appear in UtBS 20181227 20:06:03< celticminstrel> I don't believe he's really immortal3 20181227 20:08:42<+wesdiscordbot> @Coagulopathy posted a timeline a while ago: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/482754354596544513/2018-08-25-133202_1920x1080_scrot.png 20181227 20:09:19<+wesdiscordbot> Mal Keshar lived for so little? 20181227 20:10:39<+wesdiscordbot> elves are supposed to be long lived anyway 20181227 20:11:27< celticminstrel> Even then I'm fairly sure there's supposed to be a limit? 20181227 20:11:39< celticminstrel> (Who the heck is Ana'sar?) 20181227 20:13:03<+wesdiscordbot> Maybe Kalenz just didn't survive that cataclysm before UtBS 😛 20181227 20:28:48< celticminstrel> As for Mal Keshar, I imagine no-one knows how long he lived. 20181227 20:29:53<+wesdiscordbot> I think it doesn't track his period of undeath 20181227 20:30:51<+wesdiscordbot> It ends his life during DiD 20181227 20:31:07<+wesdiscordbot> which checks out, he technically dies during the campaign 20181227 20:31:40<+wesdiscordbot> how long he unlived afterwards depends on how stubborn the player is 20181227 20:32:18< celticminstrel> "unlived" 20181227 20:40:32-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20181227 21:05:03<+wesdiscordbot> Kalenz drank that magic mojo that made him immortal 20181227 21:05:24< celticminstrel> ? 20181227 21:05:37<+wesdiscordbot> I just played Legend of Wesmere right 20181227 21:06:03<+wesdiscordbot> He drank some undead-esque magic potion that rendered him invisible for a moment and the side effect was prolonging his life indefinitely 20181227 21:09:20< celticminstrel> So who else drank this potion? 20181227 21:10:58< celticminstrel> (Also, that potion sounds too incredible.) 20181227 21:11:47< celticminstrel> (Whoever rewrites LoW absolutely needs to come up with a totally different explanation.) 20181227 21:12:14<+wesdiscordbot> His friend 20181227 21:12:21<+wesdiscordbot> You know the evil elf guy 20181227 21:12:33< celticminstrel> I'm sure other people must've drunk it too. 20181227 21:12:43< celticminstrel> Why have we never encountered them? 20181227 21:13:05<+wesdiscordbot> illuminati 20181227 21:13:08<+wesdiscordbot> but in wesnoth 20181227 21:13:26< celticminstrel> Where did the potion even come from? 20181227 21:13:29<+wesdiscordbot> "Indeed I do, but it is perilous to use. It is made from the eyes of a powerful undead lich. It will make you invisible, but it is likely also to have undesirable effects, some temporary, some permanent!" 20181227 21:13:40<+wesdiscordbot> i thought that we have no idea when DiD's last scenario takes place 20181227 21:13:43<+wesdiscordbot> "Your physical strength will decrease, though in return you will be able to use magic more easily and powerfully. Cleodil will show you. But the real danger will be the touch of the lich’s evil nature stealing through your veins. You will need to fight and master this evil in yourself, else you might slowly turn into a lesser demilich yourself. This is why you must take only a small dose and finish the job quickly. 20181227 21:13:43<+wesdiscordbot> Delay and you will fail in your mission; take too large a dose, and you will become as the lich was." 20181227 21:13:46< celticminstrel> . . . 20181227 21:14:01<+wesdiscordbot> *when it takes place 20181227 21:14:09<+wesdiscordbot> also, from what i heard the creator is working on an alternate ending 20181227 21:14:19<+wesdiscordbot> What would it entail 20181227 21:14:27<+wesdiscordbot> Actually wait 20181227 21:14:30<+wesdiscordbot> Liches have eyes? 20181227 21:14:35< celticminstrel> VYNLT: The ending was changed recently, I believe. It no longer continues infnitely. 20181227 21:14:40< celticminstrel> Rio: Good point! 20181227 21:14:45<+wesdiscordbot> Say whaaaaat 20181227 21:14:51<+wesdiscordbot> But that was the fun part 20181227 21:14:55< celticminstrel> It's possible for them to, mind you. 20181227 21:15:06<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20181227 21:15:11< celticminstrel> Also WTH would that be the fun part? 20181227 21:15:12<+wesdiscordbot> was the ending actually patched? 20181227 21:15:27<+wesdiscordbot> and as for liches having eyes i guess it just depends on how deformed they are 20181227 21:15:37< celticminstrel> It does still repeat the last scenario over and over, but I think the number of repetitions was capped. 20181227 21:15:50< celticminstrel> "deformed"? Really? 20181227 21:15:54<+wesdiscordbot> though seeing how Malin transformed into one (losing most of his skin and him feeling extremely cold) 20181227 21:15:59<+wesdiscordbot> shit, bad choice of words -_- 20181227 21:16:13<+wesdiscordbot> decayed, hows that? 20181227 21:16:49< celticminstrel> "lich's evil nature" is a problematic phrase in that quote, as is "will be able to use magic more easily and powerfully". 20181227 21:16:52<+wesdiscordbot> but then we have that humanoid-spider hybrid from UTBS 20181227 21:16:55< celticminstrel> VYNLT: Better 20181227 21:17:17<+wesdiscordbot> and i assume he modified his body to have spider legs, unless it's some sort of "ancient forgotten creature" 20181227 21:17:20< celticminstrel> Yeah, apparently Wesnoth liches can incorporate bones from other beings into their own body. 20181227 21:17:32< celticminstrel> I doubt those are spider legs. 20181227 21:17:42< celticminstrel> They're probably normal human legs, just ... more of them. 20181227 21:18:24<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, it looks like it has 4 legs 20181227 21:19:27<+wesdiscordbot> hmmm, i just noticed something with Mal Keshar 20181227 21:19:27<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/527958709742075914/malin_lich.png 20181227 21:19:40<+wesdiscordbot> look at his left eye, that seems to be skin, and this is supposed to be him as a lich (recently transformed but still) 20181227 21:20:07<+wesdiscordbot> some of his hair is also there too, inbetween his eyes 20181227 21:20:19<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/527958928303325224/malin_lich-ancient.png 20181227 21:20:31<+wesdiscordbot> even his ancient lich portrait seems to have some skin or hair left 20181227 21:21:11<+wesdiscordbot> most liches have no skin left on them but Mal Keshar seems to be an exception 20181227 21:22:28<+wesdiscordbot> oh wait theres also two liches from Northern Rebirth who have hair 20181227 21:22:33<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/527959490348449794/Malifor.png 20181227 21:22:35<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/527959502792687642/Ro_Sothian.png 20181227 21:22:52<+wesdiscordbot> that beard on Malifor tho (first one) 20181227 21:23:11<+wesdiscordbot> but yeah...i guess the level of decay on a lich is variable 20181227 21:25:38<+wesdiscordbot> i dont mean to offend but...i think some of the portraits in Northern Rebirth need an overhaul 20181227 21:26:18< celticminstrel> I think that's being worked on actually, very slowly admittedly. 20181227 21:26:41<+wesdiscordbot> ah 20181227 21:26:46< celticminstrel> IIRC it was the next priority after UtBS for gettting updated portraits. 20181227 21:27:05<+wesdiscordbot> welp the new UTBS portraits look pretty fresh sooo im hyped 20181227 21:27:35< celticminstrel> There's only one artist working on humanoid portraits ATM (AFAIK) so that's probably why it's so slow. 20181227 21:27:55< celticminstrel> (I think some other artists have been doing non-humanoid portraits, like all the new monster portraits in 1.14.) 20181227 21:31:04<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20181227 21:31:35< celticminstrel> (But those were "donated", not commissioned.) 20181227 21:31:38< celticminstrel> ... 20181227 21:32:48< celticminstrel> ...that looks wrong... :| 20181227 21:32:57< celticminstrel> But apparently it's not... 20181227 21:35:09<+wesdiscordbot> k 20181227 21:40:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20181227 21:51:01<+wesdiscordbot> @VYNLT That's this lich from a really old campaign 20181227 21:51:03<+wesdiscordbot> Gwiti Haatel? 20181227 21:53:19<+wesdiscordbot> http://zapicm.freeshell.org/1_02/Demilich.html 20181227 21:53:21<+wesdiscordbot> THis guy 20181227 21:53:33<+wesdiscordbot> THe second one at least is supposed to be a human that just began becoming a lich 20181227 21:55:33<+wesdiscordbot> I remember, that's back when ghouls were skinny and had really scary portraits 20181227 21:56:36<+wesdiscordbot> Naga had different portraits too 20181227 21:56:46<+wesdiscordbot> They had humanoid faces and naga women looked really cute 20181227 21:58:59-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20181227 22:29:53<+wesdiscordbot> celticminstrel: The idea is (probably) basically that the potion enhanced his magic affinity (like, his faerie heritage) by a lot, so it's just that nobody has any idea how long he will live. But he will still die someday, especially if someone puts a sword through him. 20181227 22:30:13<+wesdiscordbot> Even more especially, if that sword is made of iron(?). 20181227 22:41:19<+wesdiscordbot> The timeline was gonna have "Malin Keshar" and "Mal Keshar" as different lines, but I never got round to putting in Mal Keshar 20181227 22:43:13<+wesdiscordbot> At the time I was planning on setting it up so that people could add events in through an online form, but never got around to it 20181227 22:43:15<+wesdiscordbot> @VYNLT no need to worry. NR’s portraits are indeed crap compared to current standards 😛 20181227 22:43:56<+wesdiscordbot> Also I found that the lore is very flexible and undefined, which is good for people making UMC, but makes any sort of "unified timeline" much harder 20181227 23:37:04-!- Haudegen [~quassel@cm56-229-75.liwest.at] has joined #wesnoth --- Log closed Fri Dec 28 00:00:08 2018