--- Log opened Mon Jan 07 00:00:47 2019 20190107 00:01:50-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190107 00:36:43-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 02:16:28-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190107 05:33:22-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190107 05:56:40-!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 06:42:31-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20190107 07:27:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 08:36:07<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 I think I'll continue with project haldric in the beginning of February. But there was little work behind the scenes, specifically it was worked on a lua API as GDNative and a data base module for Godot, the engine we are using, for UMC and, well, database related stuff. 20190107 08:50:43-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 08:53:29-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190107 08:54:11-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 09:04:52-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190107 09:39:19<+wesdiscordbot> 🇷🇺 Merry Christmas ☦ 20190107 10:00:10<+wesdiscordbot> Maybe, instead of spamming dwarvish guardsmen at a line close to my camp, I should try distracting enemy units with horsemen (human or elvish). 20190107 10:31:39-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190107 12:47:33-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celmin|away 20190107 13:19:44-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@178.71.119.220] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 14:21:35<+wesdiscordbot> do you want a hint @BabylonAS ? 20190107 14:22:37<+wesdiscordbot> I am right now trying to tire the enemy with consistent horsemen attacks, that appears to be more effective than passive defense with dwarves. 20190107 14:23:23<+wesdiscordbot> Crap! The Sceptre of Fire has failed Konrad. 20190107 14:28:51<+wesdiscordbot> My survivability has risen, although I am still failing the level. 20190107 14:40:16-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 14:58:55<+wesdiscordbot> I have barely destroyed the initial forces, but now I am low on money and I doubt I can resist Asheviere any further. 20190107 15:01:46<+wesdiscordbot> 26 turns. 20190107 15:02:56<+wesdiscordbot> Would you mind posting a replay? 20190107 15:04:16<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/531850565899255818/The_Long_Death_for_Wesnoth.gz 20190107 15:18:54<+wesdiscordbot> ...how the heck did you gain this much gold? 20190107 15:20:27<+wesdiscordbot> Haven’t seen the replay but one thing that works well is to make a diagonal defensive line in the upper right corner 20190107 15:20:35<+wesdiscordbot> Tbh, looking at this replay, you are playing as well as the ai. :/ 20190107 15:20:58<+wesdiscordbot> The previous level has been complete quite early, hence much gold as an early completion bonus. 20190107 15:21:09<+wesdiscordbot> You were pretty much throwing your units away. 😅 20190107 15:22:27<+wesdiscordbot> I am myself not fond of this cannon-fodder tactic, but I can’t find any better solution. 20190107 15:23:14<+wesdiscordbot> I'll play it using your strategy, okay? 20190107 15:23:33<+wesdiscordbot> Yet I did almost ran out of gold. Probably I should have been hiring elvish fighters instead of human horsemen. 20190107 15:23:34<+wesdiscordbot> Just a with a littly twist. 20190107 15:25:21<+wesdiscordbot> @Inky All my attempts to make a defense line are quickly thwarted by enemy forces. 20190107 15:28:23<+wesdiscordbot> Turn 4, two leaders down. 😄 20190107 15:28:30<+wesdiscordbot> Oh really? 20190107 15:34:10<+wesdiscordbot> There you go, knights only. 20190107 15:34:11<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/531858090832822275/HttT-The_Battle_for_Wesnoth_replay.gz 20190107 15:34:50<+wesdiscordbot> Giving the first hit to the enemies killed you. :/ 20190107 15:34:57<+wesdiscordbot> Knights? I don’t have that much gold. 20190107 15:35:03<+wesdiscordbot> 1305 gold. 20190107 15:35:10<+wesdiscordbot> Now tell me again that isn't much gold. ._. 20190107 15:37:04<+wesdiscordbot> yo 20190107 15:37:26<+wesdiscordbot> sooo, regarding Heir To The Throne, i decided to customize Konrad's sprite a bit to make it more accurate to his portrait (elvish version) 20190107 15:37:32<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/531858930805112833/konrad-fighter-elvish.png 20190107 15:38:33<+wesdiscordbot> here's the portrait as reference 20190107 15:38:33<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/531859187815284746/konrad-elvish.png 20190107 15:39:19<+wesdiscordbot> @BabylonAS I recruited 30 knights, only 15 survived. :/ 20190107 15:40:03<+wesdiscordbot> 30 knights = 1200 gold. 20190107 15:40:13<+wesdiscordbot> 1305 gold - 1200 gold = 105 gold. 20190107 15:40:35<+wesdiscordbot> And that 105 gold was eaten up by their upkeep. 20190107 15:40:47<+wesdiscordbot> I actually had 1345 gold, but that’s not much of a difference. 20190107 15:41:12<+wesdiscordbot> I don't need the difference if I don't aim for carryover gold. 😄 20190107 15:41:37<+wesdiscordbot> Just run 'em into the ground with impunity! xD 20190107 15:41:43-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190107 15:41:48<+wesdiscordbot> Just take a look at the replay, it's true. 😃 20190107 15:42:07<+wesdiscordbot> the trick to this scenario is like every other SP scenario: to kill the enemy's first wave 20190107 15:42:21<+wesdiscordbot> it's just that in this scenario that first wave takes like 10 turns to finish 20190107 15:42:38<+wesdiscordbot> Uh. 20190107 15:42:39<+wesdiscordbot> No. 20190107 15:42:47<+wesdiscordbot> I won in turn 9. xD 20190107 15:42:58<+wesdiscordbot> The wave is over at turn 4-6. 20190107 15:43:09<+wesdiscordbot> what difficulty ? 20190107 15:43:14<+wesdiscordbot> Easy. 20190107 15:43:19<+wesdiscordbot> ah, that'd explain it 20190107 15:43:30<+wesdiscordbot> I played on MEDIUM / Normal last time 20190107 15:43:39<+wesdiscordbot> They had less gold combined than him. 😅 20190107 15:43:55<+wesdiscordbot> I still remember the first time I played AOI S1 on HARD 20190107 15:44:02<+wesdiscordbot> @BabylonAS Do you want to discuss your tactical mistakes? 20190107 15:44:05<+wesdiscordbot> "Huh? The AI has more gold? Really?" 20190107 15:44:09<+wesdiscordbot> XD 20190107 15:44:16<+wesdiscordbot> Of course. 20190107 15:44:27<+wesdiscordbot> first, you didn't use all your gold 20190107 15:44:27<+wesdiscordbot> Any help is welcome. 20190107 15:44:47<+wesdiscordbot> you should've recruited more; you were simply outnumbered 20190107 15:45:02<+wesdiscordbot> (not necessarily all your gold, but more than you did) 20190107 15:45:04<+wesdiscordbot> Uh. He recruited all the time, no? 20190107 15:45:31<+wesdiscordbot> Basically, you placed your units in a way that let's your enemies reach them first and attack them. Gang up on them. 20190107 15:45:46<+wesdiscordbot> So they died before they could do anything. 20190107 15:46:09<+wesdiscordbot> Hmm, sorry, let me look again 20190107 15:46:15<+wesdiscordbot> Another thing is, you didn't keep your soldiers back until the enemy is in range and you had more troops. 20190107 15:47:14<+wesdiscordbot> Key is to do more dmg than your enemy. How to do it? Attack him with more units than he has. If you can kill the first part of the enemy wave before he attacks you even once, you gain a lot. 20190107 15:47:23<+wesdiscordbot> Ah, I see, I watched his previous replay by accident 20190107 15:47:34<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, you broke ranks 20190107 15:47:52<+wesdiscordbot> Enemies could gang up on your units, with local numeric advantage, convert your units to XP and move on 20190107 15:48:15<+wesdiscordbot> Keep your units together and keep ranks, unless you have a good chance to kill an important/vulnerable unit. 20190107 15:48:23<+wesdiscordbot> So yeah. The key to this scenario is to maintain a defensive line for a few turns 20190107 15:48:31<+wesdiscordbot> until the enemy wave peters out 20190107 15:48:56<+wesdiscordbot> Inky does it in the corner, I do it from the river to the end of the map, but either way, do a line, attack only where you have the advantage 20190107 15:49:06<+wesdiscordbot> (Not if you have this much gold. ._. Look at my replay. :D) 20190107 15:49:24<+wesdiscordbot> Unit with low hitpoints >>>>> dead units. Because as long as they are alive, they can hit you. 20190107 15:49:35<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, if you have gold advantage, and you recruit the appropriate units, you can't lose 20190107 15:49:43<+wesdiscordbot> and Knights are super appropriate to flat terrain 20190107 15:50:01<+wesdiscordbot> high movement, high attack, and resistance to blade damage so those orcs aren't effective against them 20190107 15:50:38<+wesdiscordbot> Also, the scenario starts at dawn, so you can recruit, ride up to the orcs, wipe them out at day and boom, no threat at night. 20190107 15:52:25<+wesdiscordbot> @BabylonAS Now go foward and run them down. 😄 20190107 15:53:07<+wesdiscordbot> Priority targets are ranged units, mounted units, leaders outside of their keep. 20190107 15:53:28<+wesdiscordbot> with knights, priority units are those you can one hit klil 😃 20190107 15:53:41<+wesdiscordbot> why mounted though? 20190107 15:53:47<+wesdiscordbot> especially if you don't use archers 20190107 15:54:35<+wesdiscordbot> Priorities: ranged > hurt (one hit kill) > mounted > leaders 20190107 15:54:52<+wesdiscordbot> Because only the ranged units won't get hurt when they attack you. 20190107 15:56:06<+wesdiscordbot> agree that ranged and hurt units are priority targets (because there you inflict the most damage and get the least retaliation damage), but why would mounted units be a priority? 20190107 15:56:28<+wesdiscordbot> Ah, because the Cavalier line is vulnerable to pirece, and doesn't have charge ... 20190107 15:56:39<+wesdiscordbot> so you attack it in your turn so the pierce bonus gets doubled 20190107 15:56:46<+wesdiscordbot> Yup. 20190107 15:57:08<+wesdiscordbot> The lvl 1 Knight as well. 20190107 16:00:03<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20190107 16:00:11<+wesdiscordbot> the oldest principle of wesnoth: deal more damage than you receive 😃 20190107 16:00:26<+wesdiscordbot> it's like "buy low, sell high" in the stock market 😃 20190107 16:13:28<+wesdiscordbot> First leader (the General) is down. 20190107 16:16:16<+wesdiscordbot> good start 😃 20190107 16:26:37<+wesdiscordbot> Orcs are defeated by the 7th turn. 20190107 16:28:30<+wesdiscordbot> And so passses Asheviere, the dark queen of Wesnoth. Turn 8. 20190107 16:30:52<+wesdiscordbot> Congrats. 20190107 16:39:03<+wesdiscordbot> Now do it again 😃 20190107 16:39:20<+wesdiscordbot> Or move to your next campaign 😃 20190107 16:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> I’ve packed all the campaign’s replay into a ZIP file; if you are interested I can upload it here. 20190107 16:44:20-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@178.71.119.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190107 16:49:44-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190107 16:53:32-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190107 17:01:20<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=39 20190107 17:01:30<+wesdiscordbot> @BabylonAS 20190107 17:07:01-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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