--- Log opened Mon Jan 14 00:00:40 2019 20190114 00:01:19-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190114 00:22:38<+wesdiscordbot> Using tactics is easier and less time consuming compared to reloading. 20190114 00:22:50<+wesdiscordbot> It's also less of a cheat. 😅 20190114 01:04:51-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190114 01:30:55<+wesdiscordbot> Tactics. Duh. 20190114 01:40:02<+wesdiscordbot> I see the word "tactics" and it romantically fills me so much!!! aHHHHHH ❤ 20190114 01:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> Because omg ive been reading the woodpecker method chess tactics book 20190114 01:40:21<+wesdiscordbot> ahh its so great <3 :) 20190114 04:13:35-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] 20190114 04:48:09-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 20190114 04:52:00-!- Ipsilon [~Ipsilon@165.227.96.150] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 05:08:54-!- celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep 20190114 05:33:58-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190114 05:39:35-!- APic [apic@apic.name] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 07:18:19-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 08:54:06-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 09:13:32-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190114 09:59:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 11:15:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20190114 11:27:51-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190114 11:30:56-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 13:43:11-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celmin|away 20190114 14:44:51-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 15:30:22<+wesdiscordbot> @Smiley J. Pajamas >Goes to the cave study volcanoes 20190114 15:30:30<+wesdiscordbot> Malin Keshar would eventually learn from her books 20190114 15:31:00<+wesdiscordbot> Malin Keshar is cool dude 20190114 15:31:09<+wesdiscordbot> Arguably 20190114 15:31:20<+wesdiscordbot> My pick for the strongest Lich in Wesnoth universe 20190114 15:31:30<+wesdiscordbot> Specially if you consider a certain campaign 20190114 15:34:11<+wesdiscordbot> Anyway, i was thinking about the Leadership skill 20190114 15:34:30<+wesdiscordbot> And I often think how weak it becomes in really late chapters where you have all your level 3s 20190114 15:34:36<+wesdiscordbot> And the leadership guy can't go past 3 20190114 15:34:49<+wesdiscordbot> But when you get Leadership 4 20190114 15:34:54<+wesdiscordbot> It becomes really OP 20190114 15:35:09<+wesdiscordbot> one level of difference just sends everything haywire 20190114 15:35:37<+wesdiscordbot> Speaking of experience, I have a Royal Guard (level 3 unit) on the fourth level of TSG already. 20190114 15:35:47<+wesdiscordbot> And a Master Bowman too. 20190114 15:35:56<+wesdiscordbot> @Smiley J. Pajamas I would say visuals-wise Jevyan is the coolest lich 20190114 15:36:22<+wesdiscordbot> Oh no doub 20190114 15:36:24<+wesdiscordbot> doubt* 20190114 15:36:26<+wesdiscordbot> Jevyan looks sick af 20190114 15:36:39<+wesdiscordbot> But in terms of power 20190114 15:36:45<+wesdiscordbot> Malin Keshar was just 20190114 15:36:46<+wesdiscordbot> goodshit 20190114 15:37:11<+wesdiscordbot> If anything, the reason why Jevyan looked stronger was because he was an enemy 20190114 15:37:17<+wesdiscordbot> While Malin Keshar was your main guy 20190114 15:37:19<+wesdiscordbot> I mean the whole idea of Wesfolk society being led by liches is pretty cool 20190114 15:37:37<+wesdiscordbot> as an enemy, Jevyan had the access to like a billion god damn Orc underlings 20190114 15:37:40<+wesdiscordbot> Malin Keshar had himself 20190114 15:37:56<+wesdiscordbot> Jevyan became a lich not just for power, but to preserve his wisdom for eternity for his people's benefit 20190114 15:38:58<+wesdiscordbot> Also for power 20190114 15:39:04<+wesdiscordbot> He was a lil greedy shit 20190114 15:39:19<+wesdiscordbot> The reason he chased the poor Haldric 20190114 15:39:22<+wesdiscordbot> Was because he wanted red gem 20190114 15:41:23<+wesdiscordbot> Also, question on your opinions 20190114 15:41:27<+wesdiscordbot> Weakest race? 20190114 15:41:36<+wesdiscordbot> How to use backstab properly? 20190114 15:41:46<+wesdiscordbot> A second swordsman scored a final blow on the bandit leader and turned into a Royal Guard, ending the scenario. 20190114 15:42:00<+wesdiscordbot> The way you use backstab is just have someone in a hex next to an enemy 20190114 15:42:05<+wesdiscordbot> You go to the opposite hex of that enemy 20190114 15:42:05< Soliton> make sure you have a unit behind the attack target. 20190114 15:42:10<+wesdiscordbot> And attack h-- 20190114 15:42:11<+wesdiscordbot> @ScorpZero Place a unit on one side next to the enemy, and the Thief on the opposite side. 20190114 15:42:11<+wesdiscordbot> oh 20190114 15:42:15<+wesdiscordbot> Cool thanks bot 20190114 15:42:18<+wesdiscordbot> Oh 20190114 15:42:25<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah 20190114 15:42:28<+wesdiscordbot> Backstab is strong AF 20190114 15:42:36<+wesdiscordbot> I got it. Thought I can do it with only one unit 20190114 15:42:38<+wesdiscordbot> Specially in early stages when you need the damage 20190114 15:42:56<+wesdiscordbot> It's really the only reason why I don't think the Undeads really are the worst race 20190114 15:43:09<+wesdiscordbot> They have power but 0 heals anywhere 20190114 15:43:25<+wesdiscordbot> But the wraiths are just so stupid insane broken, specially in campaigns 20190114 15:43:39<+wesdiscordbot> Invisibility, Skirmish, Backstab and huge mobility of a ghost 20190114 15:43:59<+wesdiscordbot> Thank god they're so damn squishy 20190114 15:44:14<+wesdiscordbot> i think that, if Undead would have healers, then Dark Sorcerers/Necromancers would be the healers 20190114 15:44:31<+wesdiscordbot> it would also help differentiate Necromancers from Liches more, too 20190114 15:44:50<+wesdiscordbot> also the healing would probs only work on undead units rather than every type of units 20190114 15:45:02<+wesdiscordbot> Oh yeah 20190114 15:45:04<+wesdiscordbot> Undead Heal 20190114 15:45:06<+wesdiscordbot> On the Necromancers 20190114 15:45:10<+wesdiscordbot> Necromancers always felt like 20190114 15:45:12<+wesdiscordbot> Weaker Liches 20190114 15:45:19<+wesdiscordbot> they arent exactly weaker, they just attack less 20190114 15:45:21<+wesdiscordbot> and dont have drain 20190114 15:45:27<+wesdiscordbot> If you can't advance Liches, then at least they have the advantage of their nuking magic 20190114 15:45:29<+wesdiscordbot> And the niche plague 20190114 15:45:35<+wesdiscordbot> But if you can advance Liches to Ancient Liches 20190114 15:45:41<+wesdiscordbot> It's just stupid to have Necromancers 20190114 15:45:44<+wesdiscordbot> im not counting Ancient Liches tho 20190114 15:45:49<+wesdiscordbot> Yeah, fair 20190114 15:45:59<+wesdiscordbot> I feel that Liches just are superior 20190114 15:46:11<+wesdiscordbot> @Smiley J. Pajamas I do not like drakes personally 20190114 15:46:11<+wesdiscordbot> with strong magic that, while not nukey, attacks more 20190114 15:46:12<+wesdiscordbot> Drain 20190114 15:46:14<+wesdiscordbot> ironically i go for necromancers instead because of the higher damage they do on each hit 20190114 15:46:15<+wesdiscordbot> Better resistances 20190114 15:46:16<+wesdiscordbot> I mean I do like drakes as a concept 20190114 15:46:19<+wesdiscordbot> Ability to go through the water 20190114 15:46:20<+wesdiscordbot> But they're so weak 20190114 15:46:30<+wesdiscordbot> I don't feel like the Necromancers having the plague and slightly more damage just 20190114 15:46:32<+wesdiscordbot> isn't worth it 20190114 15:46:40<+wesdiscordbot> If they could heal 20190114 15:46:41<+wesdiscordbot> question, Necromancers being undead healers has been suggested before? 20190114 15:46:41<+wesdiscordbot> EVEN 20190114 15:46:45<+wesdiscordbot> If it was a +4 Heal for Undead 20190114 15:46:53<+wesdiscordbot> It would be SO fuckin good 20190114 15:46:55<+wesdiscordbot> Like 20190114 15:46:59<+wesdiscordbot> The newest undead campaign 20190114 15:47:06<+wesdiscordbot> I resetted chapters more than once 20190114 15:47:11<+wesdiscordbot> Just to make sure my Saurian healer didn't die 20190114 15:47:18<+wesdiscordbot> literally only reason I got through that gauntlet of a last chapter 20190114 15:47:56<+wesdiscordbot> @Smiley J. Pajamas Necromancers can create a distraction 20190114 15:48:14<+wesdiscordbot> i had only one Necromancer at the last chapter 20190114 15:48:16<+wesdiscordbot> oh yeah 20190114 15:48:20<+wesdiscordbot> And I actually don't regret it much 20190114 15:48:21<+wesdiscordbot> Saurian healer is a godsend 20190114 15:48:34<+wesdiscordbot> Because I abused the only thing Necromancers had going for them in that last chapter 20190114 15:48:39<+wesdiscordbot> Which is creating new units for free 20190114 15:48:41<+wesdiscordbot> Because I was already like 20190114 15:48:44<+wesdiscordbot> 500 in debt 20190114 15:48:53<+wesdiscordbot> I rush summoned everything until I ran out of units and money to summon 20190114 15:49:07<+wesdiscordbot> So having them last hit with their staff to get some walking corpse fodder was the only way they were useful 20190114 15:49:08<+wesdiscordbot> Btw 20190114 15:49:17<+wesdiscordbot> Walking Corpse appreciation rn 20190114 15:49:29<+wesdiscordbot> Also extremely useful in that campaign 20190114 15:49:50<+wesdiscordbot> Though it meant that some last hits wouldn't go to other stronger units 20190114 15:49:58<+wesdiscordbot> It still felt worth it by having more fodder 20190114 15:50:19<+wesdiscordbot> On the matter of Drakes 20190114 15:50:21<+wesdiscordbot> Same problem 20190114 15:50:23<+wesdiscordbot> No healers 20190114 15:50:36<+wesdiscordbot> Also their atrociously bad weakness against spears 20190114 15:50:44<+wesdiscordbot> And lack of any magic to speak of 20190114 15:50:55<+wesdiscordbot> Standalone they are underwhelming 20190114 15:51:00<+wesdiscordbot> But coupled with some others 20190114 15:51:08<+wesdiscordbot> Maybe in a campaign where they are your allies and you get to recruit some 20190114 15:51:15<+wesdiscordbot> They have some REAL powerhouses 20190114 15:51:21<+wesdiscordbot> like, Drake Arbiters 20190114 15:51:24<+wesdiscordbot> Whoo-wee 20190114 15:52:27<+wesdiscordbot> Oh shit. I'm playing founding of Borstep and look at what I found 20190114 15:52:29<+wesdiscordbot> Fucking Ras-Tabahn 20190114 15:53:25<+wesdiscordbot> >Ras Tabahn is going to give me ghosts for free if my units die 20190114 15:53:34<+wesdiscordbot> Oh boy 20190114 15:55:08<+wesdiscordbot> I'm playing undead campaign right now and I am nor really sure whether I like it... 20190114 15:55:51<+wesdiscordbot> It gets fun towards the Mid game 20190114 15:56:01<+wesdiscordbot> And the last chapter will kick your nuts if you don't have strong enough forces 20190114 15:59:59<+wesdiscordbot> Well, I am in 4 or so mission and hm... I probably can't feel whole ghost thing xD 20190114 16:12:03<+wesdiscordbot> Hm 20190114 16:12:12<+wesdiscordbot> Is it me or bats are good for distraction? 20190114 16:16:33<+wesdiscordbot> Yes 20190114 16:16:33<+wesdiscordbot> Theyare 20190114 16:16:37<+wesdiscordbot> Very good for distraction 20190114 16:30:49<+wesdiscordbot> what undead campaign are you playing 20190114 16:30:59<+wesdiscordbot> Descent into Darkness or Secrets of the Ancients? 20190114 16:36:15<+wesdiscordbot> First one. 20190114 16:36:40<+wesdiscordbot> I steel feel the undead are worse than elves and others in HttT 20190114 16:43:55<+wesdiscordbot> undead are good in numbers and when promoted 20190114 16:44:01<+wesdiscordbot> but the low tier units are...not the best 20190114 16:44:14<+wesdiscordbot> i recommend focusing on weakening the enemy with Malin or Darken and having the last hit be took by your weaker units 20190114 16:44:55<+wesdiscordbot> tho i do also recommend promoting Malin in the first 3 scenarios, just once 20190114 16:58:54-!- Haudegen [~quassel@212-186-77-29.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190114 17:27:58<+wesdiscordbot> @ScorpZero Thing is normally undead rely on Dark Adept heavy artillery 20190114 17:28:07-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 17:28:10<+wesdiscordbot> But you do not have Adepts in campaigns 20190114 17:30:10<+wesdiscordbot> Until later that is 20190114 17:43:39<+wesdiscordbot> Aghr... these scenarios are really annoying. No villages to take on in The Foolish Hero 20190114 17:47:44<+wesdiscordbot> Hm. 20190114 17:47:56<+wesdiscordbot> Endless Night is something like really endless? xD 20190114 17:54:26<+wesdiscordbot> somewhat… you can check the objectives, they may or may not have an losing condition 😉 20190114 18:06:41-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 18:08:28<+wesdiscordbot> yeah... 20190114 18:08:36<+wesdiscordbot> Endless Night will get revamped tho 20190114 18:08:57<+wesdiscordbot> so if you dont like the current version then theres an improvement you can look forward tho 20190114 18:08:58<+wesdiscordbot> *to 20190114 18:10:59<+wesdiscordbot> for that matter, all of DiD is getting a revamp 20190114 18:11:11<+wesdiscordbot> not in the next update, but the one after that 20190114 18:15:04-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190114 18:17:03< zookeeper> didn't endless night already get revamped to allow for the... uh, other kind of ending? 20190114 18:24:56<+wesdiscordbot> had the same thought... it's been merged for 1.14.6 20190114 18:29:45<+wesdiscordbot> wait 20190114 18:29:46<+wesdiscordbot> all of DiD? 20190114 18:29:51<+wesdiscordbot> imma have to replay it then 20190114 18:30:17<+wesdiscordbot> can you tell me some of the changes in DM other than the ending revamp (or what i know about it) and other than what i know about your suggestion for that one scenario you posted in #development 20190114 18:40:59<+wesdiscordbot> Have a look here. It's worken on right now, feel free to comment there https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/projects/3 20190114 18:59:01-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 19:21:21-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 19:52:26-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 20190114 21:10:27-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 21:11:45-!- Polsaker [7KWvbCVMT4@donger/wielder/Polsaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190114 21:25:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190114 21:29:47<+wesdiscordbot> How will it be revamped? 20190114 21:38:14<+wesdiscordbot> see the link above 20190114 22:01:53<+wesdiscordbot> I do not see anything about the ending 20190114 22:15:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20190114 22:28:39<+wesdiscordbot> ah, about the ending… it won't be endless anymore https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/30764fa76475f5f95b3f417e018a9375f3767eac#diff-fc251ba53d3fe6f28a35b12bc570e430 20190114 22:58:20<+wesdiscordbot> But the original ending will still stay, right? 20190114 22:58:29<+wesdiscordbot> It is pretty iconic after all 20190114 23:06:48<+wesdiscordbot> It was replaced by this. Feel free to discuss with @Yumi about DiD, hey's changing the one and other things 20190114 23:08:14<+wesdiscordbot> 👀 20190114 23:26:13<+wesdiscordbot> He is? 😄 20190114 23:29:48-!- Ravana [~Ravana@wesnoth/mp-mod/ravana] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20190114 23:31:40<+wesdiscordbot> I'm a fish 🐠 20190114 23:31:41<+wesdiscordbot> blub 20190114 23:37:32<+wesdiscordbot> 🐡 20190114 23:39:03<+wesdiscordbot> He's turning DiD into a fish campaign, too :p 20190114 23:39:17<+wesdiscordbot> there are no merfolk in DiD :< 20190114 23:39:30<+wesdiscordbot> but I did add a couple nagas >:O --- Log closed Tue Jan 15 00:00:41 2019