--- Log opened Fri Jan 25 00:00:19 2019 20190125 00:36:32-!- celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel 20190125 01:23:57-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 20190125 10:05:22-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 10:05:56-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 10:08:26-!- DasBrain [~Johannes1@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20190125 13:41:11<+wesdiscordbot> is that the campaign with the mighty Sea Orcs? 20190125 13:43:06<+wesdiscordbot> What do you mean? 20190125 13:43:29<+wesdiscordbot> If you are about Ka'lian Under Attack, then no, it is not Heir to the Throne, it’s Legend of Wesmere. 20190125 13:43:35<+wesdiscordbot> oh ok 20190125 13:43:42<+wesdiscordbot> it's been a while 20190125 13:44:03<+wesdiscordbot> but can't forget about Bugg, he was a fearsome opponent 20190125 13:44:18<+wesdiscordbot> nearly wiped out my whole army in a single blow 20190125 13:44:46<+wesdiscordbot> letting orcs swim was pretty OP 20190125 13:54:41-!- joemaro [~joemaro@193.red-2-142-185.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 13:55:17-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celmin|away 20190125 14:25:02-!- joemaro_ [~joemaro@55.red-2-142-172.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 14:28:26-!- joemaro [~joemaro@193.red-2-142-185.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20190125 14:48:15-!- joemaro- [~joemaro@159.red-2-142-181.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 14:51:26-!- joemaro_ [~joemaro@55.red-2-142-172.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20190125 14:55:28-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@pppoe.178-66-207-172.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 17:19:15-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 17:30:49< joemaro-> i'd like to play my first online game :) is there a common way how matchmaking is done? 20190125 17:31:23< joemaro-> i find it odd, that after opening the game, the settings like timelimits etc can't be changed anymore 20190125 17:39:21<+wesdiscordbot> There's no matchmaking 20190125 18:23:37< joemaro-> well i didn't mean that literally sorry... i meant DIY matchmaking in a certain IRC/Discord channel or something like other games do 20190125 18:24:46< joemaro-> in other news, i've won my first online game :) yay! 20190125 18:35:15<+wesdiscordbot> People just do whatever they want really 20190125 19:19:08-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190125 19:23:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190125 19:30:09<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=57510&t=1 20190125 19:32:01<+wesdiscordbot> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/368/273/c8e.png 20190125 19:32:08<+wesdiscordbot> (last meme because i dont want the flood the chat) 20190125 19:44:44-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 19:51:47-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 19:51:58<+wesdiscordbot> nice weapon 20190125 19:51:59<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190125 19:57:50<+wesdiscordbot> 4th item is a derogatory term for schoolchildren in Russia 20190125 20:19:34-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190125 20:42:32-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 20:48:11<+wesdiscordbot> Finishes reading all the negative steam reviews. Now I'm sad. 20190125 20:48:50<+wesdiscordbot> So many times 'there is no tactics/strategy, luck decides everything' 😭 20190125 20:49:17<+wesdiscordbot> Looks like I'm not good at this game, I'm just always lucky. My confidence is gone... 20190125 20:56:59-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 21:36:46<+wesdiscordbot> @Konrad2 don't get down most people don't get the real excitement of the game 20190125 21:38:04-!- ToBeCloud is now known as PermanentFreedom 20190125 21:38:16-!- PermanentFreedom is now known as ToBeFree 20190125 21:38:30<+wesdiscordbot> @Arskeliss Bad reviews number around 70. Positive rewies number around 1000. I'm not sure what this 'most' is you are talking about. :p 20190125 21:38:57<+wesdiscordbot> *reviews 20190125 21:39:07<+wesdiscordbot> Lol, i wasnt aware of this fact, my bad, 20190125 21:39:08<+wesdiscordbot> 1000 ppl who figured out how to save/load vs 70 who did not 😃 20190125 21:40:00<+wesdiscordbot> @mrabinovich No, 70 people who didn't figure out how to apply tactics and strategy to luck. 20190125 21:40:15<+wesdiscordbot> Nvm, just kidding 20190125 21:40:36<+wesdiscordbot> They just complained about that being the only way to win. ._. 20190125 21:42:37<+wesdiscordbot> Do you have tips to keep alive and bring more peopke to a wesnoth online community? 20190125 21:43:48<+wesdiscordbot> By lowering the skill treshold that would allow people to enjoy the game without savescumming. Not sure if you want that, though 20190125 21:44:15<+wesdiscordbot> that applies only to SP 20190125 21:44:37<+wesdiscordbot> Where do people come to the online community from? From SP I figure 20190125 21:44:45<+wesdiscordbot> MP is pretty popular 20190125 21:44:58<+wesdiscordbot> doesn't have to be PvP, can be coop maps too 20190125 21:46:13<+wesdiscordbot> Coop maps will be extremely frustrating if more casual players would be attracted. Prepare to carryihng all games solo while your teammates suicide their elves on grasslands 20190125 21:46:27<+wesdiscordbot> it depends on how they're balanced 20190125 21:46:36<+wesdiscordbot> things like orocia have different modes for people of different skill levels 20190125 21:47:04<+wesdiscordbot> the mainline survivals probably aren't too easy for most players though 20190125 21:47:48<+wesdiscordbot> dark forecast is pretty hard on the default gold-per-wave difficulty. 20190125 21:47:54<+wesdiscordbot> I've never managed to beat it. 20190125 21:50:23<+wesdiscordbot> a friend and I did manage to get to the fire dragon, once, but only when we got lucky that a couple of the harder waves spawned other units instead 20190125 21:50:58<+wesdiscordbot> hmm I was supposed to look at rebalancing dark forecast... 20190125 21:51:17<+wesdiscordbot> but got sidetracked my Konrad2's swamp of campaign issues 20190125 21:51:20<+wesdiscordbot> >:0 20190125 21:51:23<+wesdiscordbot> by* 20190125 21:51:57<+wesdiscordbot> Oops. 20190125 21:52:48< Ravana> orocia trades away balance for massive replay value 20190125 21:53:38<+wesdiscordbot> I think it's pretty decently balanced though 20190125 21:53:56<+wesdiscordbot> between the different modes 20190125 21:56:19<+wesdiscordbot> From my experience from other online games, I would dare to outline several points. Disclamer: I do not support implementing all of them. Konrad2 has raised an important point. How many players quit bcause they are outraged by the randomness 'problem' before they learn tactics 101? If you want to increase the number of players, you would want to retain them. Not sure if you want them as your teammates in MP, though. So 20190125 21:56:20<+wesdiscordbot> my thoughts are the following. 1. Easier SP campaigns that would let more people to enjoy Wesnoth before they ragequit after missing most hits (aimed at a bad target, but it takes some learning to avoid such mistakes). 2. Comfortable entry into MP, preferrably with a matchmaker. The matchmaker is a tricky thing, since in 2x2, 4x4 and more different races have different synergies. 3. Some rating system & skill-based matchmaking. It 20190125 21:56:20<+wesdiscordbot> requires high numbers of players online or MM would take ages. 4. Some platform for holding competitive events (swiss, rr, etc). 20190125 21:56:58<+wesdiscordbot> 2-4 have been proposed many times, we aren't interested in doing anything official about those 20190125 21:57:43<+wesdiscordbot> I did not say that I support doing it. But their absense makes increasing the MP playerbase hard 20190125 22:05:33<+wesdiscordbot> sure I'm just saying official ones won't happen at the moment or in the foreseeable future 20190125 22:05:41<+wesdiscordbot> I'm actually working on 1. right now 20190125 22:11:38-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190125 22:12:34<+wesdiscordbot> hi 20190125 22:13:24<+wesdiscordbot> Units spawning on villages under my control do not remove my control of said villages. (Dark Forecast). 😄 20190125 22:13:34<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi An issue for you. 😛 20190125 22:13:38<+wesdiscordbot> NO 20190125 22:13:40<+wesdiscordbot> NO MORE ISSUES 20190125 22:13:43<+wesdiscordbot> question, what do you think are the best RPG UMCs? preferable singleplayer 20190125 22:13:54<+wesdiscordbot> also, i want a good focus on a nice story with nice characters 20190125 22:14:03<+wesdiscordbot> and, if possible, the mechanics shouldnt be too complicated to learn 20190125 22:14:08<+wesdiscordbot> :thonk: 20190125 22:14:11<+wesdiscordbot> that is 20190125 22:14:14<+wesdiscordbot> a loooot of requirements 20190125 22:14:21<+wesdiscordbot> Don't be like that, I know you love solving issues! xD 20190125 22:14:28<+wesdiscordbot> yo 20190125 22:14:33<+wesdiscordbot> sorry 20190125 22:14:34<+wesdiscordbot> ppl have been bothering me about my campaign 20190125 22:14:35<+wesdiscordbot> for weeks 20190125 22:14:37<+wesdiscordbot> @VYNLT Traders story (or something like that) 20190125 22:14:43<+wesdiscordbot> regarding what? 20190125 22:14:45<+wesdiscordbot> I have to get back to work on that some time 20190125 22:14:50<+wesdiscordbot> wanting episode 2 released 20190125 22:14:52<+wesdiscordbot> ohhh you took a bit of a break? 20190125 22:14:58<+wesdiscordbot> I'm working on mainline rn 20190125 22:15:00<+wesdiscordbot> ah 20190125 22:15:01<+wesdiscordbot> due to mr. konrad2 20190125 22:15:10<+wesdiscordbot> jkjkjk, just 2 campaign revisions, then back to Genesis 20190125 22:15:16<+wesdiscordbot> hmm, well, what do you need to get done regarding Genesis? 20190125 22:15:31<+wesdiscordbot> making the scenarios, I've made the spell and leveling system for the most part 20190125 22:15:38<+wesdiscordbot> levelling system? 20190125 22:15:40<+wesdiscordbot> and spells? 20190125 22:15:42<+wesdiscordbot> yup 20190125 22:15:43<+wesdiscordbot> hmmm, new stuff 20190125 22:15:50<+wesdiscordbot> bob the mighty's rpgs are decent 20190125 22:15:55<+wesdiscordbot> not really character focused, but rather fun 20190125 22:16:05<+wesdiscordbot> i like character-focused RPGs 20190125 22:16:13<+wesdiscordbot> otherwise strange legacy is okay 20190125 22:16:16<+wesdiscordbot> ah 20190125 22:16:27<+wesdiscordbot> elvish dynasty (maybe you've played this already?) 20190125 22:16:36<+wesdiscordbot> nope 20190125 22:16:51<+wesdiscordbot> voyage of a drake is pretty good I've heard 20190125 22:17:16<+wesdiscordbot> It is. 20190125 22:17:28<+wesdiscordbot> I think that's most of them... 20190125 22:22:55<+wesdiscordbot> Trapped for Freedom 20190125 22:22:59<+wesdiscordbot> Five Fates 20190125 22:30:35-!- joemaro_ [~joemaro@46.6.211.204] has joined #wesnoth 20190125 22:33:23-!- joemaro- [~joemaro@159.red-2-142-181.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190125 22:37:32<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon Were you talking about 'Dark Forecast' when you said that you never managed to beat it? And if so, is the Fire Dragon thing refering to it as well? 20190125 22:38:39<+wesdiscordbot> Btw did someone make it easier? It wasn't as hard as I remembered it. 20190125 22:41:57<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/538488724124860417/2p_Dark_Forecast_Survival_replay.gz 20190125 22:43:32<+wesdiscordbot> (Default difficulty.) 20190125 22:47:01-!- Soo_Slow [~Soo_Slow@pppoe.178-66-207-172.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190125 22:53:08<+wesdiscordbot> it seems different than when I've played it 20190125 22:53:32<+wesdiscordbot> there was almost always a sea serpent, and the final wave had a L5 fire dragon in it 20190125 22:53:39<+wesdiscordbot> I'm pretty sure the slow on their first turn is new too. 20190125 22:54:47<+wesdiscordbot> no cuttlefish either, which is weird 20190125 22:54:52<+wesdiscordbot> the slow I had though 20190125 22:56:47<+wesdiscordbot> This time I got two cuttlefishes. 20190125 22:57:00<+wesdiscordbot> 🦑 20190125 22:59:52-!- joemaro_ [~joemaro@46.6.211.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190125 23:25:10<+wesdiscordbot> Can someone explain to me why the enemy units in 'Dark Forecast' can move in Deep Water? 20190125 23:25:19<+wesdiscordbot> Units like Peasants. Or Dwarves. 20190125 23:25:33<+wesdiscordbot> (Movement cost for them seems to be 3.) 20190125 23:25:42<+wesdiscordbot> This blindsided me completly just now. xD 20190125 23:25:53<+wesdiscordbot> for some reason I've seen units move onto the unwalkable mountains on the right side of the map 20190125 23:25:57<+wesdiscordbot> >.> 20190125 23:26:20<+wesdiscordbot> Same movement cost. 20190125 23:27:15<+wesdiscordbot> I guess it's because the designer didn't want enemy units get stuck in the water village while it's flooded. 20190125 23:27:23<+wesdiscordbot> But pleeeeeease tell the player about this. xD 20190125 23:28:01< Ravana> I did similar for orocia 20190125 23:28:21< Ravana> everything has at least 3 mp and costs no more than 3 to move on flat/water/snow 20190125 23:29:13< Ravana> most notably it changes deep tentacle 20190125 23:29:20<+wesdiscordbot> Did you tell the player about it? 20190125 23:29:24< Ravana> no 20190125 23:30:05<+wesdiscordbot> I guess it's okay, because your map has no Deep Water/Unwalkable. 20190125 23:31:41<+wesdiscordbot> But it really sucks when you want to take advantage of Deep Water and the enemy just walks over it. ._. 20190125 23:38:46<+wesdiscordbot> 'Hardest' difficulty 20190125 23:38:47<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/538503024570531861/2p_Dark_Forecast_Survival_replay.gz 20190125 23:39:01<+wesdiscordbot> +30% gold per wave. 20190125 23:39:07<+wesdiscordbot> @Pentarctagon 20190125 23:39:48<+wesdiscordbot> Do these replays change your opinion about it being too hard? 20190125 23:44:00-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20190125 23:48:22<+wesdiscordbot> not especially. both replays were of you, who probably plays wesnoth quite a bit more than most people given all the feedback you give, playing both sides. 20190125 23:56:41<+wesdiscordbot> But at least there was no Fire Dragon. >.< --- Log closed Sat Jan 26 00:00:21 2019