--- Log opened Sun Feb 17 00:00:33 2019 20190217 00:03:40-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:05:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190217 00:06:37-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:07:37-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:10:48-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:12:08-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:14:33-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:15:51-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:16:06-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:17:14-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:17:20-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:19:42-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:20:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:23:58-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:24:52-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:26:07-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:38:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:39:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 00:52:55-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 00:54:24-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 01:34:14-!- irker801 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190217 01:36:45-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 01:37:39-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 01:39:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 01:40:22-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 01:41:23-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 01:56:27<+wesdiscordbot> my 2 cents on the godot situation after using 3.1 for the whole alpha and beta phase: it's very close to production-ready and stable. the 2d workflow is completly working. i wouldn't delay further. 20190217 02:00:02<+wesdiscordbot> you're in #development , might want to put that in haldric 20190217 02:00:28<+wesdiscordbot> i was adressing the discussion further up in here 20190217 02:00:34<+wesdiscordbot> i'll take it over 👍 20190217 03:24:32-!- irker085 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 03:24:32< irker085> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Martin Hrubý (hrubymar10) d4e8df76c6 Update Xcode project for Boost 1.69.0 AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 05:39:16< irker085> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Martin Hrubý (hrubymar10) 8a963c9c78 Update Xcode project for Boost 1.69.0 AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 06:53:46<+wesdiscordbot> Where is the haldric discussion happening? 20190217 06:54:27<+wesdiscordbot> there's a restricted channel for it, since there was some unproductive arguing about licensing a while ago. 20190217 06:57:21<+wesdiscordbot> the plan is to open the channel up again later, once there's something really concrete to show for it. 20190217 07:23:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 07:46:19< irker085> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Samir 47b240356f Main menu "Campaigns" button pt_BR trans AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 08:06:20-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 08:28:36-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 09:11:32< irker085> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 doofus-01 10727e9bf8 Grand Knight defense animation AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 09:41:21<+wesdiscordbot> which campaigns are planned to redesign? 20190217 09:41:56<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi ^ 20190217 10:35:21< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 2d19fdd0d3f3 / po/wesnoth-utbs/en_GB.po: updated British English translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2d19fdd0d3f3751a17231962befc47edeae016b2 20190217 10:35:23< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master b80cddc1809e / po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Scottish Gaelic translaiton https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b80cddc1809ef751f148aaada2a00e124968e257 20190217 10:35:25< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 450467ea8cbf / po/ (10 files in 10 dirs): updated Italian translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/450467ea8cbf600924aac90c4652834156a9f7d7 20190217 10:35:27< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 3cb1e59cd33b / po/ (wesnoth-lib/zh_TW.po wesnoth/zh_TW.po): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3cb1e59cd33bf9242ead83397d4b1d4b89e37eeb 20190217 10:35:30< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.14 5710e88c4802 / po/wesnoth-utbs/en_GB.po: updated British English translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5710e88c48029261fd61a1a33e6a0a263507736e 20190217 10:35:32< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.14 b5a20635c6c8 / / (9 files in 9 dirs): updated Scottish Gaelic translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b5a20635c6c83846b2e2c90e0484ded29270c9b7 20190217 10:35:34< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.14 8ce8c37c67c4 / po/ (10 files in 10 dirs): updated Italian translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8ce8c37c67c4fc49ccc34424912698a60ccb21af 20190217 10:35:36< irker085> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.14 0f06d3760293 / po/ (wesnoth-lib/zh_TW.po wesnoth/zh_TW.po): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0f06d37602933aed488eec710d5fd0ae79408f44 20190217 11:01:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190217 11:54:24-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 12:44:07-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 12:45:17-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 13:35:52-!- irker085 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190217 13:38:09-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 13:39:29-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 16:24:33<+wesdiscordbot> @AncientGeneral nothing else that I know about right now 20190217 16:28:02<+wesdiscordbot> only ones that have already been redesigned but not released are TSG and DiD 20190217 16:36:53-!- irker720 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 16:36:54< irker720> wesnoth/wesnoth:master Nils Kneuper 3cb1e59cd3 updated Chinese (Traditional) translatio AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 16:46:20< irker720> wesnoth: josteph wesnoth:master 2975d616dcf0 / src/scripting/lua_kernel_base.cpp: Lua: Add wesnoth.get_language returning the current locale https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2975d616dcf0dffb7450b6d4e35b7e6b679fcd4b 20190217 16:46:59< irker720> wesnoth: josteph wesnoth:1.14 3c3e73ac2dbc / src/scripting/lua_kernel_base.cpp: Lua: Add wesnoth.get_language returning the current locale https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3c3e73ac2dbcf91be8efd87e33ca7d7523042dc0 20190217 16:57:18<+wesdiscordbot> Is there anything not forward compatible between 1.14 and master? I mean, is a UMC written against 1.14 guaranteed to work against master? 20190217 16:59:00<+wesdiscordbot> the Dunefolk compatibility WML was removed, so things referencing the old unit IDs won't work. 20190217 16:59:22<+wesdiscordbot> the khalifate names, right 20190217 16:59:51<+wesdiscordbot> the balancing also may add/remove units, so removing unit outright would be another thing. 20190217 16:59:55<+wesdiscordbot> wait, wasn't that removed before 1.14? 20190217 17:00:18<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think so. 20190217 17:00:43<+wesdiscordbot> there's no data/core/units/khalifate in 1.14 20190217 17:00:45<+wesdiscordbot> there's in 1.12 20190217 17:01:00<+wesdiscordbot> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.14/data/core/units/dunefolk/deprecated.cfg 20190217 17:01:22<+wesdiscordbot> Ah! 20190217 17:02:01<+wesdiscordbot> Anyway, where I was coming from is that non-forward-compatible changes are one thing that discourages releasing a 1.15 20190217 17:02:08<+wesdiscordbot> because of potential breakage to UMC 20190217 17:02:35<+wesdiscordbot> so, I guess I'm saying, if we can add that deprecated.cfg file back and release 1.15.0 dev version? Just thinking out loud 20190217 17:03:17<+wesdiscordbot> Don't forget, many people got wind that "wesnoth was dead" last year when master was stalled. If we want to squash that false rumor, one of the best ways to do that is to actually issue a release 20190217 17:04:20<+wesdiscordbot> things are only guaranteed to be compatible within a stable series, is the way things have been done. I don't know how confident we could be that 1.15.0 is still compatible with 1.14.x given that no one's been keeping track of things that might break compatibility. 20190217 17:05:24<+wesdiscordbot> well, some breakage is acceptable in a dev release 20190217 17:06:02<+wesdiscordbot> I don't know where we put the threshold usually but probably if "most" content works that should be good enough for an odd minor number release 20190217 17:06:41<+wesdiscordbot> and again, thinking out loud, but why don't we do a 1.15.0 and put Wings of Victory 0.9.2 in it? even if it's just a beta 20190217 17:07:14<+wesdiscordbot> the campaign can continue to evolve during the 1.15 series... 20190217 17:09:30<+wesdiscordbot> depends on when sigurd thinks the campaign will be done/when the balancing changes are ready. ideally they would both be ready at around the same time, I suppose, given the drake campaign is 4-6 weeks away. 20190217 17:10:08<+wesdiscordbot> mattsc/celticminstrel/gfgtdf would be able to give better answers for compatibility though. 20190217 17:12:51<+wesdiscordbot> My point is that I don't think WoV needs to be done in order to be included in a development release 20190217 17:13:24<+wesdiscordbot> Thanks for the info about compatibility 20190217 17:17:58<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not really opposed to waiting another 4-6 weeks at this point. If sigurd is okay with putting it in earlier, then that's really his decision at the moment, but I'm just happy there is a definite plan to have a 1.15.0 now. 20190217 17:19:19<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 20190217 17:20:20<+wesdiscordbot> Is it just me or should https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/3928/files not have any effect ? 20190217 17:30:38<+wesdiscordbot> Why is no-one keeping track of things that might break compatibility? 🤔 20190217 17:33:10<+wesdiscordbot> some things don't end up in the changelog that should, and sometimes things change as part of something else that wasn't considered. 20190217 17:33:45-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 17:33:50<+wesdiscordbot> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=47614 was put together essentially adhoc from the changelog and what people remembered having done. 20190217 17:51:00-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 17:54:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 17:57:14<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, the best time to write changelog or document compatibility breakages is as soon as the changes are made 20190217 18:15:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 18:16:45-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 18:24:57-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 18:25:15-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x4d081b58.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 18:25:44< gfgtdf> @josteph please revert 3c3e73ac2dbcf91be8efd87e33ca7d7523042dc0 you ar ento spoosed to ad new api to 1.14 20190217 18:28:31< irker720> wesnoth: josteph wesnoth:1.14 1182e9595bb2 / src/scripting/lua_kernel_base.cpp: Revert "Lua: Add wesnoth.get_language returning the current locale" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1182e9595bb252d53608b0f797c2b7f6586a44c5 20190217 18:28:43<+wesdiscordbot> gfgtdf, done 20190217 18:29:59-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 18:31:32< gfgtdf> thx 20190217 18:32:43<+wesdiscordbot> thanks for the report. I'll figure out some workaround for @The_Unforgiven 's audio thread that this came from (have a few ideas already) 20190217 18:33:00<+wesdiscordbot> or do I mean @The_Gnat , tab completion is confusing 20190217 18:36:23< gfgtdf> do we even need that? I'd think that if the messages differ betwen alnguages than your 'hash' would also be different since it used the translated string (asuming your attempt is stil that messagehash version and that they didn't come up with something new yet) 20190217 18:40:02<+wesdiscordbot> I'm thinking of just doing it with no hash 20190217 18:40:45<+wesdiscordbot> I don't think we cna name files after the translated string, what if two languages use the same spelling but pronounce it differently? 20190217 18:40:52<+wesdiscordbot> probably possible in one-word replies or something 20190217 18:41:01< gfgtdf> hmm probably 20190217 18:42:17< gfgtdf> for 1.15 we can maybe just use the same interntitilasation as we do with images, meing first automaticialyl search in / and then in filename , this coudl thne be directly implemented in the engine and apply to all sounds. 20190217 18:42:57<+wesdiscordbot> something like that would be nice, yes, though it's only really needed for sounds that are translatable 20190217 18:42:57< gfgtdf> (at least i think that how image trnaslations in particular for the storyscreens work) 20190217 18:43:10<+wesdiscordbot> yeah, the journey map works this way doesn't it 20190217 18:43:25<+wesdiscordbot> and yes, what I posted to the thread is just a prototype 20190217 18:43:37<+wesdiscordbot> if it's added to mainline it can be made much more elegant 20190217 18:44:34-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 18:45:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 19:14:26-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 19:20:33-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 19:32:54< irker720> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 Nils Kneuper 0f06d37602 updated Chinese (Traditional) translatio AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 19:51:31-!- Nobun [~user@51.179.96.92] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 20:20:20-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 20:21:35-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 20:32:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190217 20:32:49-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 20:34:20< celticminstrel> AFAIK there's no backwards compatibility breaking changes in master. Might be something I'm not aware of though. 20190217 21:11:10-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 21:21:49-!- Rh0nda is now known as Rhonda 20190217 21:28:45<+wesdiscordbot> I made two changes to ai_helper functions that break backward compatibility (although it's unlikely that they will actually be encountered). 20190217 21:28:54<+wesdiscordbot> Both of them are marked as such in the changelog. 20190217 21:29:04-!- Nobun [~user@51.179.96.92] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1-dev] 20190217 21:34:36<+wesdiscordbot> 'they' = the conditions under which this will actually make a difference 20190217 22:33:18-!- irker720 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190217 22:33:19-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 22:36:05-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 22:47:01-!- irker508 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190217 22:47:01< irker508> wesnoth/wesnoth:master josteph 2975d616dc Lua: Add wesnoth.get_language returning AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190217 23:01:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190217 23:06:54-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 23:36:49-!- valdar [~atarocch@93.56.172.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Mon Feb 18 00:00:35 2019