--- Log opened Sun Feb 17 00:00:33 2019 20190217 00:05:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190217 00:14:35-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 01:02:22<+wesdiscordbot> isn't it strange how the truer RNG option of Wesnoth feels less random, but is more random? 20190217 01:02:56<+wesdiscordbot> i always find it weird in that way, how when something feels more random, it's geared to make us feel that way, and when it feels less random, it's more random 20190217 01:04:31<+wesdiscordbot> anyways - besides the thought stuff, i got a question 20190217 01:05:26<+wesdiscordbot> Because humans have unrealistic expectations of randomness 20190217 01:05:32<+wesdiscordbot> They actually expect to see a pattern 20190217 01:05:53<+wesdiscordbot> When true randomness brings no pattern 20190217 01:06:09<+wesdiscordbot> It's strange, isn't it? 20190217 01:06:35<+wesdiscordbot> just like how that sentence seems to make sense until you take the contraption apart 20190217 01:06:50<+wesdiscordbot> which would make it "It is strange, is not it?" 20190217 01:09:29<+wesdiscordbot> also, i got a question for 1.12.6 (the version i play, haven't played 13 yet or 14 because my old device broke and this one's mobile and i haven't found an app or port or anything) 20190217 01:09:50<+wesdiscordbot> is the person who manages the shipbuilding mod for 1.12.6 here? i'd go to the forums but my wifi takes like 5 minutes to load a new website, and i'd rather message via discord since i'm most active here on discord. i just noticed a bug is all. 20190217 01:52:03<+wesdiscordbot> we aren't developing 1.12.6 anymore 20190217 02:16:41<+wesdiscordbot> ah, okay 20190217 02:16:44<+wesdiscordbot> thanks anyway 20190217 05:03:59<+wesdiscordbot> I think randomness typically generate tangible patterns? 20190217 05:16:58-!- lolTest [loltest@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/loltest] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20190217 05:50:27-!- ol_foody_can-Ned [~me@mobile-107-107-61-251.mycingular.net] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 06:21:31-!- ol_foody_can-Ned [~me@mobile-107-107-61-251.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20190217 07:23:06-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 08:29:32<+wesdiscordbot> I'd like to see the option for items. Not making items the standard choice (because they can make balancing hard in longer campaigns), but making it a mod that comes with the core game. But the ais would have items as well. Something of a mix between doofus-01s and dugis item systems. (doofus-01 has the ai using items, but his item choosing dialog is far worse.) 20190217 08:31:26<+wesdiscordbot> Having the AI know how to use items well against human players would be a feat in and of itself, at least to my understanding. 20190217 08:33:39<+wesdiscordbot> though some general "use healing potion in x,y,z situations" might not be 20190217 09:01:31<+wesdiscordbot> Ah. Items as in equipment. 20190217 09:14:30<+wesdiscordbot> Additional weapons and stuff. Yeah I know. Items everywhere. You start with a team. And then last man standing and we call it Wesnoth Royal. >.> 20190217 09:48:22-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 09:48:46<+wesdiscordbot> actually I think it will be also well served by removal of permadeath 20190217 09:49:14<+wesdiscordbot> like if unit is reduced to 0hp you only lose it until end of current scenario instead of permanently 20190217 09:49:32<+wesdiscordbot> this would likely alleviate lots of RNG concerns 20190217 10:00:49< zookeeper> to balance out the loss of permadeath, you'd probably also need to make advancement of units quite a bit harder or more costly. 20190217 10:04:56<+wesdiscordbot> what's the point of recruiting new units if you always have the old ones? 🤔 This would strongly go against the "few units" argument from earlier to keep it relatively fast paced. 20190217 10:05:05<+wesdiscordbot> Although that was about multiplayer. 20190217 10:18:20<+wesdiscordbot> Tbh, removal of permadeath would be a big no-go for me. 😅 20190217 10:20:53<+wesdiscordbot> this won't go against reducing unit numbers 20190217 10:21:06<+wesdiscordbot> because everyone saveload to never lose anything anyway 😛 20190217 10:23:20< Ravana> default recall cost is too low 20190217 10:23:42< Ravana> it is almost always cheaper to recall something 20190217 10:25:00<+wesdiscordbot> Well, my take is that you already paid for them when you recruited them. And you also paid experience and time. So I think those 20g are a fair price. 20190217 10:25:03<+wesdiscordbot> I think you should never have to do anything other than recall unless you're expanding your force or dipping into other factions 20190217 10:26:07<+wesdiscordbot> I think gold should be hard to come by, only used to recruit new units and recall should be free and permadeath absent 20190217 10:27:01<+wesdiscordbot> this would remove some boring extra micromanagement letting you focus on tactical issues 20190217 10:31:44<+wesdiscordbot> Also to limit the number of units there could be hard caps on size of your army 20190217 10:32:25<+wesdiscordbot> like there's limited number of of boats/horses/whatever to bring them to the battlefield in allowable timeframe 20190217 11:01:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20190217 11:05:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 11:56:38-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190217 12:10:06-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 12:57:36-!- Tobbi [~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 14:04:14-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190217 17:33:45-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 18:32:34-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190217 18:55:27-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 19:14:10<+wesdiscordbot> is the version on steam the current one? 20190217 19:15:10<+wesdiscordbot> yes 20190217 19:15:12<+wesdiscordbot> steam and non-steam versions are the same 20190217 19:15:33<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 thanks 20190217 20:03:09-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 20:32:32-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20190217 20:32:49-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth 20190217 21:21:49-!- Rh0nda is now known as Rhonda 20190217 21:55:14<+wesdiscordbot> haha the steam one is nice:) soesnt it save ur campaign progress and ur games on cloud so that u can see them on any computer? 20190217 21:55:20<+wesdiscordbot> *doesnt it save 20190217 22:04:06<+wesdiscordbot> that's a feature of steam though, not of wesnoth. 20190217 22:55:20<+wesdiscordbot> but yes or no? for steam 20190217 22:55:30<+wesdiscordbot> steam wesnoth i mean 20190217 22:56:38<+wesdiscordbot> wesnoth does have cloud save support 20190217 22:58:49<+wesdiscordbot> It does not 20190217 22:59:02<+wesdiscordbot> Steam does it for Wesnoth but Wesnoth is wholly unaware of that going on 20190217 22:59:13<+wesdiscordbot> yes it's non-invasive 20190217 22:59:30<+wesdiscordbot> basically only requires us to specifi particular dir for steam to sync 20190217 22:59:31<+wesdiscordbot> so if i go to new computer 20190217 22:59:35<+wesdiscordbot> i log on to steam 20190217 22:59:40<+wesdiscordbot> the games wont be saved? 20190217 22:59:47<+wesdiscordbot> it will be 20190217 22:59:52<+wesdiscordbot> ohh okay 20190217 22:59:56<+wesdiscordbot> :D 20190217 23:00:06<+wesdiscordbot> campaign progress too? 20190217 23:00:19<+wesdiscordbot> Just bear in mind that if you play the non-Steam version on one pc and the Steam version on another that's not gonna make your saves transfer over magically 20190217 23:00:27<+wesdiscordbot> I know 20190217 23:00:28<+wesdiscordbot> campaign progress too 20190217 23:00:32<+wesdiscordbot> saves, completion and all 20190217 23:00:36<+wesdiscordbot> ok that was my question 20190217 23:00:49<+wesdiscordbot> you have to redownload addons though 20190217 23:00:55<+wesdiscordbot> thank you guys!❤️❤️❤️ 20190217 23:00:56<+wesdiscordbot> (manually) 20190217 23:00:58<+wesdiscordbot> ah okay 20190217 23:01:30-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20190217 23:02:06<+wesdiscordbot> sorry if i sound rude at all... i am super super frustrated over chess losses at big state tournament im going to (top 20 players) 20190217 23:02:13<+wesdiscordbot> i have a chess game soon actually :) 20190217 23:02:43<+wesdiscordbot> you got dis 20190217 23:02:49<+wesdiscordbot> ahh thank you so much! 20190217 23:02:58<+wesdiscordbot> wreck 'em with power of logical thonking obtained from wesnoth 20190217 23:03:12<+wesdiscordbot> XDD so cute..:) 20190217 23:06:13<+wesdiscordbot> OHHH!! Barsuk I remember you!❤️❤️ 20190217 23:06:20<+wesdiscordbot> Remember Øàõìàòíàÿ ïëàíåòà???XD 20190217 23:07:40<+wesdiscordbot> :GWcfcThonk: 20190217 23:08:23<+wesdiscordbot> i'm not sure your message is shown as intended xd 20190217 23:08:23<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231976805987385345/546830292816756776/2019-02-18_02.07.36.jpg 20190217 23:09:03-!- claymore [~claymore@unaffiliated/claymore] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20190217 23:10:52<+wesdiscordbot> That is how it is supposed to look😅😝 20190217 23:11:26<+wesdiscordbot> I private messaged you asking if you speak russian or armenian and I showed you a chess program that I had that said that 20190217 23:11:37<+wesdiscordbot> and you told me it is broken acryllic 20190217 23:11:43<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190217 23:11:47<+wesdiscordbot> XDDD 20190217 23:12:10<+wesdiscordbot> still broken i suppose xd 20190217 23:12:20<+wesdiscordbot> Yes lol XD 20190217 23:15:00<+wesdiscordbot> ✡🇯🇵❤😍😘😋👌🤣🤣🤣🕍😅 20190217 23:15:35<+wesdiscordbot> oh no 20190217 23:15:35<+wesdiscordbot> Oops LOL I thought I was typing with keyboard and that was my phone screen on emoji 20190217 23:15:37<+wesdiscordbot> sorry 20190217 23:15:42<+wesdiscordbot> :GWbratBanned: 20190217 23:15:54<+wesdiscordbot> I was going to say see youuuXDD ❤️ 20190217 23:16:06<+wesdiscordbot> see you too 20190217 23:16:13<+wesdiscordbot> :) 20190217 23:44:20-!- Haudegen [~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Mon Feb 18 00:00:35 2019