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20190310 01:58:22< celticminstrel> I'll repeat my request to move the wiki page ImagePathFunctionWML -> ImagePathFunctions
20190310 01:58:42< celticminstrel> I don't remember who else has that power besides @Vultraz and possibly @Iris
20190310 01:59:10<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> "Possibly"
20190310 01:59:40< celticminstrel> Well ISTR hearing that you do, and it'd make sense that the person who designed the skin has access, right?
20190310 01:59:51<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> "IN A WORLD. WHERE THE WIKI ADMIN DOESN'T HAVE POWER OVER THE WIKI SHE ADMINS"
20190310 01:59:54< celticminstrel> XD
20190310 01:59:58<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> read that in trailer man's voice
20190310 02:00:01< celticminstrel> Right, okay.
20190310 02:00:20<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> It's not because I designed the skin, it's literally because I'm the only admin keeping the wiki instance on life support
20190310 02:00:29< celticminstrel> Oh?
20190310 02:00:33< celticminstrel> Life support?
20190310 02:00:45< celticminstrel> Sounds vaguely ominous...
20190310 02:00:46<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> I even told people here I upgraded it the other day and you know that I installed the pygments thing for you
20190310 02:00:59< celticminstrel> Oh yeah, that's true, you did do that.
20190310 02:01:17<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> I adopted the wiki because it was abandoned when we moved servers in 2013
20190310 02:01:25<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> And about 3-4 years out of date
20190310 02:01:28<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> software-wise
20190310 02:01:39< celticminstrel> I see.
20190310 02:02:12<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> Anyway does anyone oppose renaming the page?
20190310 02:02:41< celticminstrel> I just suddenly realized that the wiki itself has a way to list people with admin access, and it's surprisingly long. aeth is on it!?
20190310 02:02:49<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> It's a bit of a weird one because it's certainly part of the WML API, but at the same time it's not because it's really part of the image cache API
20190310 02:03:06<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> Aethaeryn used to be a wiki admin about 10 years ago, yes
20190310 02:03:08< celticminstrel> Mind you at least half of those are people I've never heard of.
20190310 02:03:22< celticminstrel> Seems like he technically still is.
20190310 02:03:38<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> We should do a purge of inactive admins at some point certainly, like we did with the forums once
20190310 02:04:20< celticminstrel> I didn't really remember which was the higher rank between bureaucrat and admin, but... given the former list is much shorter, I guess it's probably the higher rank.
20190310 02:04:48<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> Bureaucrats can add other admins IIRC
20190310 02:05:54<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> The stock MediaWiki groups are as stupid as the rest of MediaWiki, anywhere else an "admin" would actually be called a moderator
20190310 02:06:22< celticminstrel> Wasn't there a "sysop" rank at some point?
20190310 02:06:24<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> It's possible admins have additional permissions that a mod wouldn't have though
20190310 02:07:01<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> It's still called sysop, it's just displayed differently
20190310 02:07:05< celticminstrel> Ah.
20190310 02:09:49<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#List_of_groups
20190310 02:10:38<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> There you can see that sysop ("Administrators") is actually a glorified mod group
20190310 02:11:16<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> The internal/legacy name is so dumb as well because it doesn't have anything to do with what a sysop really is
20190310 02:13:32<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> Most notably everything that's actually related to administrating the wiki software itself, unlike phpBB, has to be manually changed by someone with file access to the host
20190310 02:13:55<+wesdiscordbot> <Iris> Most settings are completely out of reach of the "admins"
20190310 02:21:16< irker989> wesnoth/wesnoth:master nemaara c4acaba162 Update changelog with THoT update AppVeyor: All builds passed
20190310 02:52:04< celticminstrel> Hmm... so regarding 3647 / 3672, I wonder if it'd be better not to try and change it all in one go? I could mark the offending functions "deprecated" and then people could slowly excise uses of them from the code, right?
20190310 02:53:26< celticminstrel> The only problem is, would deprecation warnings cause Travis to fail?
20190310 03:01:35<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> i have no problem renaming the page
20190310 03:27:12< irker989> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:wml_diff_cl 99bbc895b39b / / (4 files in 2 dirs): Add a command-line interface to the WML diff functionalityNote that this is only https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/99bbc895b39bf02bf9ebb9a8067bc2ba8392a6d9
20190310 03:27:14< irker989> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:wml_diff_cl 616838d9da53 / / (4 files in 2 dirs): Add --output option to redirect diff/patch output to a file of your choice https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/616838d9da538e1fbcebbdd9a16360336a9f059a
20190310 03:27:16< irker989> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:wml_diff_cl ba9d1c3b908e / diff.cfg: Add a schema for the diff format https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ba9d1c3b908e5b6c49a9031c3833eb61463b952c
20190310 03:55:53<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> @Vultraz when are we doing the string freeze?
20190310 04:10:23<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> @Yumi depends on you.
20190310 04:10:35<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> i thought you hadn't finished s12
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20190310 04:11:15<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> DiD is completely merged
20190310 04:11:24<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> I have one thing I want to do for the tutorial
20190310 04:11:24<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> I see
20190310 04:11:36<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> well then ill start the freeze tomorrow
20190310 04:11:37<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> the tutorial disables ending turns for the first couple turns
20190310 04:11:54<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> [disallow_end_turn]             reason=_"You cannot end your turn until you have completed the lesson on recruiting!"        [/disallow_end_turn]
20190310 04:11:57<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> it has code like this
20190310 04:12:05<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> however, [disallow_end_turn] acutally doesn't atke any keys
20190310 04:12:08<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> when did we add a reason ley
20190310 04:12:11<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> we didn't
20190310 04:12:16<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> so that text does absolutely nothing
20190310 04:12:18< celticminstrel> Pretty sure we did.
20190310 04:12:21<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> :thonk:
20190310 04:12:23<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> it doesn't work
20190310 04:12:25< celticminstrel> Might be only in master though.
20190310 04:12:28<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> ah
20190310 04:12:31<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> of course
20190310 04:12:31<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> that might be true
20190310 04:12:48< celticminstrel> No idea why the reason is in 1.14 when it's not supported there.
20190310 04:12:49<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> I was going to remove that text because the reason key doesn't do anything
20190310 04:12:54<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> should I do that?
20190310 04:13:07<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> backport the key
20190310 04:13:15< celticminstrel> I wouldn't object. Just make sure it doesn't get forward-ported if you remove it.
20190310 04:13:27<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> backporting the key would be better
20190310 04:13:30< celticminstrel> I mean, backporting the key breaks feature freeze.
20190310 04:13:43<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> 🤔
20190310 04:13:44< celticminstrel> But it's not a terrible break, I guess.
20190310 04:13:58< celticminstrel> It'll just continue to show the default string on older versions of 1.14.
20190310 04:14:10< celticminstrel> So personally I guess I'd be okay with that.
20190310 04:14:10<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> yes
20190310 04:14:14<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> in any case it doesn't hurt to have it
20190310 04:14:32<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> I was considering doing a patch on the tutorial in which you are allowed to end turn
20190310 04:14:41<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> but actually the behavior does seem to be reasonably okay now
20190310 04:15:50<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> idk, anyway more patches on the tutorial can just go in master or wait until later
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20190310 06:22:04< irker989> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 32627d2430ab / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/12_Endless_Night.cfg: DiD S12: dialogue tweaks https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/32627d2430ab0b609a8e186a14327a5eae578b74
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20190310 14:50:52< celticminstrel> So I haven't seen any objections yet to the wiki page move ImagePathFunctionWML -> ImagePathFunctions... is someone going to do it, or do we need more opinions?
20190310 14:52:47<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> moved
20190310 15:00:05< celticminstrel> So I was wondering, the map header is still supported, right? Couldn't it be used to add units, items, etc?
20190310 15:02:20< celticminstrel> I guess it's not necessary because we made a new scenario format, but...
20190310 15:23:31<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> ??
20190310 15:34:40<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> string freeze isn't started yet, right?
20190310 15:34:55< celticminstrel> I confused Vultraz, huh.
20190310 15:41:55<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> @Vultraz
20190310 15:42:06<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> later
20190310 15:43:10<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> okay
20190310 15:43:14<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> I need to revert some commits I made
20190310 15:43:20<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> and make one small thing on LoW
20190310 15:44:38< irker097> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 b0cd0af69d95 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (32 files in 2 dirs): Revert "THoT: add masked berserker and ulfserker sprites" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b0cd0af69d950b6d4f0127a5c458ed8359e856d1
20190310 15:44:40< irker097> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 2acbd1e7a1e8 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: Revert "THoT S12: use new masked ulfserker and berserker units" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2acbd1e7a1e80d4602776ea972fe684f2a4ae334
20190310 15:44:42< irker097> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 dbabf8d6461a / changelog.md: Revert "Update changelog with THoT update" https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dbabf8d6461ab7869311e7ada9954511e914d974
20190310 15:45:11<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> why?
20190310 15:46:09<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> new units will break some replay compatibility
20190310 15:46:50<+wesdiscordbot> <Vultraz> I don’t see that as a big issue but ok
20190310 15:47:04<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> sevu and I just talked about it, we agreed that it'd be better not to do it for a campaign
20190310 15:47:19<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> but for something like the tutorial it's not really a big deal since it's the tutorial
20190310 15:49:04< celticminstrel> So the new units are master-only then?
20190310 15:49:19<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> yes
20190310 15:50:13<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> their animations aren't complete either, so I feel even less bad about it
20190310 15:50:26<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> and it's for THoT so I feel even even less bad about it 😂
20190310 15:51:00<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> and now for the LoW fix...
20190310 15:53:35<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> ah, nevermind, I see
20190310 15:53:38<+wesdiscordbot> <Yumi> that change was intentional
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20190310 18:48:39< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 36492ed99415 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (17 files in 6 dirs): LoW: rebalance gold values and use new scenario carryover https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/36492ed99415005f5419e48c90264562844cea9b
20190310 18:48:39< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 75f5c21a4df6 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (chapter4/17_Breaking_the_Siege.cfg chapter5/19_Costly_Revenge.cfg): LoW: fix missing persistent carryover at end of chapter 4 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/75f5c21a4df69536fb520e4a914e6150dfa88d65
20190310 18:48:40< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 da275b187dcf / changelog.md: Update changelog with LoW rebalance https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/da275b187dcf0ffd687868549da96384add12ff8
20190310 18:49:38< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master dbaeeea57e49 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (17 files in 6 dirs): LoW: rebalance gold values and use new scenario carryover https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dbaeeea57e49d8f1fe07d3e9e149dca4e119141e
20190310 18:49:40< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master cf2e5ee6adb8 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (chapter4/17_Breaking_the_Siege.cfg chapter5/19_Costly_Revenge.cfg): LoW: fix missing persistent carryover at end of chapter 4 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/cf2e5ee6adb8690d5e01d87fbfc0f627178ef5e4
20190310 18:49:42< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 8b14c454d5d6 / changelog.md: Update changelog with LoW rebalance https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8b14c454d5d6d226a309e1db4d42ae4427eddedf
20190310 18:57:33< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master f4e0b619cfc0 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter2/ (06_Acquaintance_in_Need.cfg 07_Elves_Last_Stand.cfg): LoW: raise player gold in S6-7 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f4e0b619cfc09174e3b655a507613f682e608aee
20190310 18:58:09< irker384> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 583cd0eb373b / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter2/ (06_Acquaintance_in_Need.cfg 07_Elves_Last_Stand.cfg): LoW: raise player gold in S6-7 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/583cd0eb373b1feb734d7366e90ca26503faacf5
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20190310 21:45:43< irker384> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara 583cd0eb37 LoW: raise player gold in S6-7 AppVeyor: vs2017/Debug Failed
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20190310 21:52:09< irker384> wesnoth/wesnoth:1.14 nemaara dbabf8d646 Revert "Update changelog with THoT updat AppVeyor: All builds passed
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