--- Log opened Fri Mar 22 00:00:03 2019 20190322 01:00:46-!- madmax28 [~madmax28@xdsl-78-35-242-99.nc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190322 01:01:52-!- madmax28 [~madmax28@xdsl-89-0-95-58.nc.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 03:35:38-!- celmin|away is now known as celmin|sleep 20190322 04:09:18-!- gfgtdf [~Daniel@x4d0ac8c6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190322 04:33:08-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbrqizjscioeiiet] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190322 04:36:20-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpzzyaqtguvhjdfx] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 06:14:55-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 07:53:47< `ani`> hello! 20190322 08:32:34<+wesdiscordbot> Rhonda: There's an Automatic watching setting in the 2nd link 20190322 09:34:02-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 09:37:55< Rhonda> sevu: Ah, thanks. Yes, I thought it went in through something like that, and it in general makes sense. 20190322 11:00:42-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpzzyaqtguvhjdfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190322 11:02:28-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilobidiuiwrgttcl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 11:12:53-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190322 11:56:02<+wesdiscordbot> ani, hello, is there anything you'd like to talk about? 20190322 12:13:13-!- nurupo_ [~nurupo.ga@unaffiliated/nurupo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 12:14:13-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20190322 12:14:34-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nurupo 20190322 12:14:34-!- nurupo_ is now known as nurupo 20190322 12:16:14-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 12:16:51-!- `ani` [~molgrum@130.185.251.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190322 12:20:04-!- `ani` [~molgrum@slipgatecomplex.co.uk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 12:42:32-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190322 12:44:28-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 12:55:21-!- celmin|sleep is now known as celmin|away 20190322 13:00:29< celmin|away> FTR @jostephd there's also UNMAKE_HERO that does it for you https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=639919#p639919 20190322 13:04:00-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@2001:44b8:21b3:4001::100] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 13:04:13< celmin|away> @josteph I mean 20190322 13:09:13<+wesdiscordbot> celmin, thanks. And discord does highlight me on both @josteph and <@348530951690649601>d so you don't have to try to remember that 😃 20190322 13:09:32< celmin|away> WTH 20190322 13:10:01< celmin|away> The bridge bot replaced @jostephd with a number followed by d 20190322 13:11:08<+wesdiscordbot> Hmm... @IRC Bridged 20190322 13:16:07< celmin|away> (Basically not documenting it means it can be removed without deprecation.) 20190322 13:17:38<+wesdiscordbot> Sure. I was trying to come up with a workaround that can be used without waiting for a new release. 20190322 13:18:21-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@2001:44b8:21b3:4001::100] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190322 14:25:39< `ani`> I'd just like to hang around and see if I can get into development tasks. 20190322 14:25:58< `ani`> spare time activity. 20190322 14:26:57< `ani`> I used to develop for another game but the activity is in a frozen state so there's not that much to do in terms of tasks that are specified and active chat rooms etc. 20190322 14:34:18<+wesdiscordbot> ani, welcome! 20190322 14:34:41<+wesdiscordbot> Anything particular you'd like to work on? A part of the code, or a particular programming language, etc? 20190322 14:34:43< `ani`> I can't nick complete you josteph. 20190322 14:35:07<+wesdiscordbot> See https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/labels/Good%20first%20issue 20190322 14:35:11<+wesdiscordbot> that's because I'm on discord 20190322 14:35:28< `ani`> I'm experienced in most things in game programming, maybe physics and rendering are my worst sides. 20190322 14:35:40<+wesdiscordbot> no physics here 😛 20190322 14:36:25<+wesdiscordbot> ani, just pick whatever you'd like to work on, then 20190322 14:36:30<+wesdiscordbot> josteph is @josteph#6338 on this end also 20190322 14:36:31<+wesdiscordbot> And ask if you have questions 😃 20190322 14:36:31< `ani`> I'm pretty skilled in bug hunting, modding, network analysis, code design, etc. 20190322 14:36:40-!- josteph [~josteph@wesnoth/developer/josteph] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 14:36:50< `ani`> @josteph: ah ok. 20190322 14:37:23<+wesdiscordbot> yes, "@josteph" does highlight me 20190322 14:41:43< `ani`> @josteph: alright. 20190322 15:18:03-!- josteph [~josteph@wesnoth/developer/josteph] has quit [Quit: josteph] 20190322 16:30:53-!- wedge010 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 16:31:50-!- wedge009 [~Thunderbi@60-241-236-92.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20190322 16:31:51-!- wedge010 is now known as wedge009 20190322 16:40:02-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190322 16:55:45-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 17:20:18-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190322 17:20:34-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 17:33:57-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190322 18:01:08-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20190322 18:02:29-!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 18:20:09-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 18:25:40< `ani`> just generally I would advise against both github and discord. 20190322 18:27:25< `ani`> over 100,000 repos have leaked API tokens and cryptographic keys, with thousands of new repositories leaking new secrets on a daily basis. From a report: The scan was the object of academic research carried out by a team from the North Carolina State University (NCSU), and the study's results have been shared with GitHub 20190322 18:28:31<+wesdiscordbot> well, agree or disagree, that argument's already been had. you should also cite sources for that sort of thing. 20190322 18:28:59< `ani`> source: slashdot.org 20190322 18:29:01< Soliton> that sounds like an issue of people committing secrets in their git repo. 20190322 18:29:33< Soliton> not much to do with github if so. 20190322 18:29:48<+wesdiscordbot> ani: I mean a link to the actual report. nobody is going to go search slashdot for that quote. 20190322 18:30:36<+wesdiscordbot> it'd be like me citing some obscure fact, and then just saying it's on wikipedia 20190322 18:30:50<+wesdiscordbot> except wikipedia would be easier to actually search 20190322 18:31:02< `ani`> I don't understand the big "source" deal here... 20190322 18:32:12<+wesdiscordbot> you said something that sounds bad, but without any source anyone else can verify or use to understand the context. 20190322 18:32:23< `ani`> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/03/22/1442227/over-100000-github-repos-have-leaked-api-or-cryptographic-keys?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 20190322 18:33:04<+wesdiscordbot> so https://www.zdnet.com/article/over-100000-github-repos-have-leaked-api-or-cryptographic-keys/ then 20190322 18:34:42<+wesdiscordbot> which, upon reading further - the article says that the scan was done of the files within the repositories, so this is a problem with people being stupid, not github having a vulnerability or flaw. 20190322 18:34:50< Soliton> that article seems to suggest it's a good idea to have your repo on github. 20190322 18:35:23< Soliton> github will put in effort to notify you of your mistake of committing secrets to your repo. 20190322 18:36:41< `ani`> I don't trust Github. 20190322 18:37:02<+wesdiscordbot> wel... wesnoth uses github. 20190322 18:37:08< `ani`> whatever they are "serving" in terms of security, I don't trust. 20190322 18:37:15< `ani`> that's me personally. 20190322 18:37:22<+wesdiscordbot> And? Like that article demonstrates, you shouldn't put any secret information into a public repository anyway. 20190322 18:37:43< Soliton> what we put on github is public anyway. 20190322 18:38:44< `ani`> who knows what else you can't put into a github repo. 20190322 18:39:20< Soliton> the git repo is just git. not much to do with github even. 20190322 18:39:22< `ani`> this is almost a scandal I would say. 20190322 18:39:29< Soliton> however we do use some features of github. 20190322 18:39:37< Soliton> some more* 20190322 18:39:51< Soliton> no idea what scandal you mean. 20190322 18:40:17< Soliton> do you understand what that article is about? 20190322 18:41:37< Soliton> issues i see with github are rather if we ever have to move our bug tracker again or need to get some other meta data out of it. 20190322 18:41:57< `ani`> it's nothing to defend. 20190322 18:42:07<+wesdiscordbot> who knows what else you can't put into a github repo. It's not about github itself, it's about people who commit into public repository stuff that shouldn't be committed. 20190322 18:43:00< Soliton> if you're still talking about that article then there is nothing to defend indeed. it puts github in an excellent light. 20190322 18:44:19< `ani`> it's not a good repository service. 20190322 18:44:31<+wesdiscordbot> How so? 20190322 18:44:35< Soliton> you may want to support that claim. 20190322 18:44:47<+wesdiscordbot> "You don't trust it" doesn't mean "it's bad". 20190322 18:45:22<+wesdiscordbot> Neither does "hundreds of thousands of inexperienced developers (= the kind to put secrets to repos) uses it". 20190322 18:45:54< `ani`> it's proprietary and thrives on user misinformation. it uses the users (developers) for its own goals and not for the sole person's own. 20190322 18:46:26< `ani`> it's not much to say about it. microsoft owns it now. 20190322 18:46:47< `ani`> there's just nothing to defend. 20190322 18:46:51< Soliton> ah, there we are. so it's evil since microsoft bought it. 20190322 18:47:29< Soliton> surely as soon as they bought it they started lots of covert operations on the public repos github hosts. 20190322 18:47:38< `ani`> it was evil before microsoft bought it, now it is just a stated user subjugating company that has its name on it. 20190322 18:48:06< `ani`> I stopped using it and I hope you will do the same. 20190322 18:48:35< Soliton> if you give no reasons other than your feelings that is fairly unlikely. 20190322 18:49:12< `ani`> I gave plenty of reasons. 20190322 18:49:30< `ani`> it's not understandable that you defend it so much. 20190322 18:49:33< Soliton> i suppose it being proprietary could be considered a vague reason. 20190322 18:49:48<+wesdiscordbot> none of them had any practical implications for the Wesnoth project right now though. 20190322 18:49:49< `ani`> it's fine, you have your way. 20190322 18:49:59< `ani`> ok. 20190322 18:50:03< `ani`> it's fine. 20190322 18:50:15< `ani`> you can think short term and be good with it. 20190322 18:50:24< `ani`> I don't care. 20190322 18:50:31<+wesdiscordbot> and I doubt anyone currently contributing has any motivation to attempt such a move. 20190322 18:50:48< `ani`> fine. 20190322 18:50:53< `ani`> I really don't care. 20190322 18:51:14< Soliton> clearly you do. which is fine. but it's also fairly clear that you didn't give much objective reasons. 20190322 18:51:56< `ani`> Soliton: you are yourself giving sole emotional reasons, you're completely tied with github and it's your friend in ways. 20190322 18:52:13< `ani`> why the monopolyhenchmanism? 20190322 18:52:25< `ani`> it's strange how the programming field has changed. 20190322 18:52:40< Soliton> you're just assuming way too much. 20190322 18:52:47< `ani`> explain. 20190322 18:53:28< Soliton> accusing me of emotional reasons for example. is it because i do not share your subjective views? i dared oppose or question them? 20190322 18:53:40< `ani`> your views are also subjective Soliton. 20190322 18:53:47< Soliton> sure. 20190322 18:53:56< `ani`> and why the meta discussion? 20190322 18:54:02< `ani`> I don't see a point with it. 20190322 18:54:06<+wesdiscordbot> The programming field has changed because there is pretty much no one left that opposes open source. It's no longe necessary to be paranoid. 20190322 18:54:40< `ani`> I don't think you know what you're talking about. 20190322 18:55:18< Ravana> you might have other arguments, but starting with the irrelevant one (user should not upload his passwords to file sharing site) weakened your position too much 20190322 18:55:59< `ani`> *blink* 20190322 18:56:25< Soliton> another argument so far was "thrives on user misinformation" without any explanation. doesn't help much either. 20190322 18:56:47< `ani`> can it become more obvious? 20190322 18:56:57< Soliton> if you explain it perhaps. 20190322 18:57:01< `ani`> users have uploaded secrets without knowing that it is harmful. 20190322 18:57:18< `ani`> basically they have uploaded data into github that harms them, and they suddenly got to know about it. 20190322 18:57:25< Soliton> and that is github's fault how? 20190322 18:57:28< `ani`> yes. 20190322 18:57:30< `ani`> it is. 20190322 18:57:38< Soliton> how 20190322 18:57:50< `ani`> I really don't have time with this. 20190322 18:57:50<+wesdiscordbot> GitHub hasn't utilized those secrets by e.g. selling them. 20190322 18:58:05<+wesdiscordbot> (Or if you claim that they have, you definitely need to provide a source.) 20190322 18:58:21< `ani`> sorry. 20190322 18:58:34< Soliton> how do you assume github or any other repo hoster should deal with that? 20190322 18:59:01< Soliton> how is it even unique to github? 20190322 18:59:05< `ani`> I'm done. 20190322 18:59:18< Soliton> surely you can find the same on gitlab or wherever. 20190322 18:59:37<+wesdiscordbot> I don't really understand the point of this discussion, honestly. 20190322 18:59:39-!- `ani` [~molgrum@slipgatecomplex.co.uk] has left #wesnoth-dev ["Leaving"] 20190322 19:00:01< Soliton> well, he/she left. 20190322 19:00:39< Soliton> now we'll never find out about github's evil ways. 20190322 19:00:51<+wesdiscordbot> lol 20190322 19:02:32<+wesdiscordbot> I don't understand the point of the discussion either 20190322 19:03:06<+wesdiscordbot> github have always been proprietary / for-profit. It's not news 20190322 19:03:23<+wesdiscordbot> Using git means we have redundant backups of the commit history 20190322 19:03:31<+wesdiscordbot> What we don't have is good backups of the issues / pull requests 20190322 19:03:44<+wesdiscordbot> So if someone wants to run github-backup in cron, or something, that'd be good 20190322 19:05:01< Soliton> the proprietary thing is the one valid point they made IMO. the rest sounded like conspiracy theories. 20190322 19:06:01<+wesdiscordbot> I'm not that worried about it, actually. github are big enough that whatever they do will be supported 20190322 19:06:13<+wesdiscordbot> like how thunderbird has "POP" "IMAP" "gmail" in its new account workflow 20190322 19:07:42<+wesdiscordbot> GitHub also has a working business model, ensuring that they can keep going without having to find revenue sources in the future (like SourceForge was ruined with ads at one point). 20190322 19:08:05<+wesdiscordbot> .... well that was one of the weirdest conversations I've read 20190322 19:08:38< Soliton> reading the slashdot comments a large amount seems to be equally clueless... 20190322 19:08:46<+wesdiscordbot> I can't even figure out what pretzel logic was supposed to be at work 🤔 20190322 19:09:06<+wesdiscordbot> "Propietary = evil"-logic, I guess. 20190322 19:09:13<+wesdiscordbot> it kinda reminded me of the guy who said we should remove the ingame add-on manager. 20190322 19:09:22<+wesdiscordbot> without reading the slashdot comments, it's not github fault that people commit secrets to github repositories 20190322 19:09:34<+wesdiscordbot> ah, yes. wasn't that the guy I told to fuck off 😂 20190322 19:09:43<+wesdiscordbot> yeah 20190322 19:09:47<+wesdiscordbot> tee hee 20190322 19:09:48<+wesdiscordbot> people have published secrets since the first time three apes got together and invented tribes 20190322 19:09:49<+wesdiscordbot> still not the best way to respond >.> 20190322 19:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> I had no patience for people like that that day 😛 20190322 19:10:49< Soliton> @josteph yeah, people need to be willfully ignorant/have their own agenda to not realise that. 20190322 19:12:32<+wesdiscordbot> the corollary seems to be "Github shouldn't exist because people are stupid" which is... a take. 20190322 19:14:04<+wesdiscordbot> Even if GitHub didn't exist, at best it would mean that mass-scraping API keys and passwords and the like would be slightly harder (by having to scrape multiple hosting services instead of one). 20190322 19:15:40< Soliton> still interesting that there are half a million keys. wouldn't have expected that many. 20190322 19:16:03< Soliton> though who knows how many of those are actually not secret/an issue. 20190322 19:55:27-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20190322 20:11:31-!- irker263 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 20:11:32< irker263> wesnoth/wesnoth:master josteph 351153bc11 Fix #2852: Reset statistics when rewindi AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190322 21:07:04<+wesdiscordbot> While observing a multiplayer game clicking on 'Menu' gives the option 'Quit to Main Menu', which actually only quits to the lobby. Does that count as bug? 20190322 21:09:04<+wesdiscordbot> Well, it is inaccurate, so I think it should be fixed, at least. 20190322 21:28:59-!- TheJJ_ [~rofl@188.193.169.3] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 21:31:43-!- TheJJ [~rofl@ipbcc11434.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190322 21:35:41< irker263> wesnoth/wesnoth:master josteph ea9f67590a Fix #2852: Reset statistics when rewindi AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190322 22:24:43< irker263> wesnoth: Steve Cotton wesnoth:1.14 0853665c090e / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/02_01_Infested_Caves.cfg: NR S02: Neater way to check that there's not a cave wall between Tallin and Hame https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0853665c090ecf8cde642dc84c780c28f1825676 20190322 22:24:45< irker263> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 820d99d590b1 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/02_01_Infested_Caves.cfg: Merge pull request #3991 from stevecotton/nr_radius_meeting_hamel https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/820d99d590b142263a9d29e7e57c2d2a5e8e9a7e 20190322 22:26:37< irker263> wesnoth: Steve Cotton wesnoth:master da494f4f4fd1 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/02_01_Infested_Caves.cfg: NR S02: Neater way to check that there's not a cave wall between Tallin and Hame https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/da494f4f4fd1a51fccb75ae323b230de116c7576 20190322 22:36:22< irker263> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 141469deec4a / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (3 files in 2 dirs): THoT: add masked berserker defend animation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/141469deec4a011307afe4c2e376a1ed9186885b 20190322 23:10:23-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190322 23:34:19< irker263> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 392c7bddae49 / data/core/ (75 files in 2 dirs): Orcish Nightblade: modify animation naming scheme https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/392c7bddae496a4e27a5d7d1b2686d1819545103 20190322 23:34:21< irker263> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 49eab2867d50 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (27 files in 2 dirs): UtBS: use mainline nightblade animation frames https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/49eab2867d50d9f6a2ca71ccf7c8d2f14c6f1f48 20190322 23:51:25-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@2001:44b8:21b3:4001:22a3:9329:3be9:823] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190322 23:57:22-!- aidanhs [~aidanhs@81.4.110.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Sat Mar 23 00:00:04 2019