--- Log opened Thu Apr 04 00:00:01 2019 20190404 00:43:24<+wesdiscordbot> I've noted the disscusion regarding WoV the past week. 20190404 00:45:20<+wesdiscordbot> @Yumi The main reason I never did a bugfix commit playthrough of LoW was due to the deterrence of the code coplexity added by its mp. I'm concerned the same could happen to another SP campaign if it is retro-fitted with MP. 20190404 00:46:06<+wesdiscordbot> we're not retrofitting a SP campaign to MP 20190404 00:46:09<+wesdiscordbot> none are suitable 20190404 00:46:23<+wesdiscordbot> it would take a rewrite 20190404 00:46:30<+wesdiscordbot> ok 20190404 00:47:41<+wesdiscordbot> I think celmin has suggested we remove LoW from mainline? 20190404 00:47:43<+wesdiscordbot> err 20190404 00:47:45<+wesdiscordbot> sdlfjsdakfj 20190404 00:47:49<+wesdiscordbot> LoW MP 20190404 00:48:06<+wesdiscordbot> I'm on board with that, LoW's MP is pretty broken 20190404 00:48:55<+wesdiscordbot> as for changing one to MP, we'll have to see the circumstances 20190404 00:49:02<+wesdiscordbot> or adding one (like world conquest) 20190404 00:51:47<+wesdiscordbot> What's up with talk about a rewrite to TRoW? Is something wrong with it? 20190404 00:52:00<+wesdiscordbot> has there been? 20190404 00:52:07<+wesdiscordbot> o_o 20190404 00:52:24<+wesdiscordbot> I don't remember anything significant about that 20190404 00:53:20<+wesdiscordbot> ? maybe there wasn't 20190404 00:53:40<+wesdiscordbot> other than some lines mentioned in issue 4007 20190404 00:54:05<+wesdiscordbot> yeah like I've been saying I don't intend to do anything about 4007 until you merge WoV 20190404 00:54:15<+wesdiscordbot> except for the line in DiD, I do think that one's out of place 20190404 00:55:17<+wesdiscordbot> if you keep drakes eating humans -> I'll try to help support the notion that sapient creatures sometimes eat other sapient creatures with other references in mainline 20190404 00:55:41<+wesdiscordbot> if not, then those lines become more either people having misconceptions or whatnot 20190404 00:57:32<+wesdiscordbot> thanks, we'll see what happens. 20190404 00:58:04<+wesdiscordbot> 👍 20190404 01:02:04<+wesdiscordbot> Also, as a general thing: FTR, I think TRoW is a great campaign, and does not need any rewrites (siginifcant or minor). 20190404 01:02:41<+wesdiscordbot> it's one of the stronger ones, yes 20190404 01:03:45<+wesdiscordbot> but every single campaign has to be rewritten for 2.0 anyway due to the new engine 🤷 20190404 01:03:55<+wesdiscordbot> well 20190404 01:04:07<+wesdiscordbot> well every single one that we want to add 20190404 01:04:23<+wesdiscordbot> I've been assuming that meant rewriting the actual writing/plot 20190404 01:04:30<+wesdiscordbot> it does 20190404 01:04:34<+wesdiscordbot> >.> 20190404 01:04:44<+wesdiscordbot> but in general that's not really a big deal 20190404 01:04:50<+wesdiscordbot> for TRoW, the amount of rewriting is very little 20190404 01:05:07<+wesdiscordbot> isn't 'porting' a better way to describe moving the campaigns to 2.0? 20190404 01:05:17<+wesdiscordbot> no because some wouldn't meet the new bar for writing 20190404 01:05:47<+wesdiscordbot> so they would need to be rewritten 20190404 01:06:26<+wesdiscordbot> plus we don't know what new gameplay might show up in 2.0 yet, so that might require rewriting as well 20190404 01:07:01<+wesdiscordbot> I still think that's ambition more than common sense, but we'll see, I suppose. 20190404 01:07:11<+wesdiscordbot> like I said 20190404 01:07:23<+wesdiscordbot> I can elaborate on some ideas when the time comes, but we need an engine first 20190404 01:08:14<+wesdiscordbot> and Vult has said that it'll still be a while off, so 🤷 20190404 03:05:36 * celticminstrel hugs people. 20190404 03:06:40< celticminstrel> You could say "porting", but given a lack of similarity between the platforms, I feel like it's not really any different from rewriting. 20190404 03:10:48-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilobidiuiwrgttcl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20190404 03:12:24-!- vihta [sid239753@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fiuhcuvzgcqijvnp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 03:13:08<+wesdiscordbot> blah blah 20190404 03:13:15<+wesdiscordbot> Oh whoops wrong channel 20190404 03:14:08<+wesdiscordbot> celticminstrel: codewise, it has to be rewritten. story/character/plot/etc would be possible to keep the same. 20190404 03:14:38<+wesdiscordbot> Last time I checked, when people had to rewrite games in the 90s to port them to completely different platforms they were still called ports 20190404 03:14:51<+wesdiscordbot> There's better uses for people's time than this pedantry 20190404 03:16:15<+wesdiscordbot> goes back to watching jojo's bizarre adventure 20190404 03:27:58-!- irker932 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 03:27:58< irker932> wesnoth/wesnoth:master sigurdfdragon 248c2f3446 Campaigns: Add Wings of Victory (Drakes) AppVeyor: All builds passed 20190404 04:12:20-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20190404 04:53:37-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 05:51:04-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20190404 06:28:31-!- irker932 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20190404 07:35:04< vn971> I've created an issue on broken `wesnothd` state after DC: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/4011 20190404 09:24:36-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 11:23:45-!- boucman_work [~boucman@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20190404 12:33:48-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 12:38:53-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 14:38:44-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 14:39:52-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 14:47:04-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 14:52:47-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 15:01:53-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 15:12:53-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 15:22:38-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 15:24:10-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 15:24:12-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Client Quit] 20190404 15:25:14-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 16:23:51-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 16:26:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190404 17:50:07-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 17:52:43-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 18:01:46-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Quit: behalebabo] 20190404 18:07:05-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 18:08:44-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has quit [Client Quit] 20190404 18:09:34-!- behalebabo [~behalebab@unaffiliated/behalebabo] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 18:41:37<+wesdiscordbot> I was watching this replay and it crashes in turn 7 after multiple oos errors. 20190404 18:41:37<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/563433006589542400/LoW-Acquaintance_in_Need_replay.gz 20190404 18:42:38<+wesdiscordbot> *crashes wesnoth 20190404 18:43:18<+wesdiscordbot> The only mod was XP mod. 20190404 18:51:47<+wesdiscordbot> what means »crashes«? 20190404 18:53:27-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 18:54:17<+wesdiscordbot> realizes that he never read the ReplayWML 20190404 18:56:14<+wesdiscordbot> Wesnoth closes after displaying an error. 20190404 19:01:38<+wesdiscordbot> "after displaying an error" anything more known about the error? 20190404 21:39:07-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20190404 21:58:31<+wesdiscordbot> Soooo. I was on the run when I dropped that replay and oddly it works when I load it on my laptop instead of my pc. 20190404 21:58:42<+wesdiscordbot> I'll try again with my pc. 20190404 21:59:37-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20190404 22:06:18<+wesdiscordbot> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/259976436490829825/563484511627640852/unknown.png 20190404 22:06:38<+wesdiscordbot> 'Abort', 'Repeat', 'Ignore' 20190404 22:08:30<+wesdiscordbot> I think it's about the Runesmith again. On my pc this happens when the Runesmith would appear while on my laptop he just appears and everything is fine. 20190404 22:10:06<+wesdiscordbot> To cite sevu: Eh.. that makes sense... the scenario is send from the host... the units types are loaded locally. Now, extra defines whixh are used to modify the unit type are the business of the host. Not MP save. DEPRECATE ADVANCE_FROM TAG1111!!!!! 20190404 22:23:20-!- irker854 [~irker@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20190404 22:23:20< irker854> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:master 7532d88ece22 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: UtBS S6b: move escape route wall to very back of tunnel https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7532d88ece2286d3ab053db141a33ecd447a887e 20190404 22:24:13< irker854> wesnoth: nemaara wesnoth:1.14 3b53e74549ab / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/06b_In_the_Domain_of_Dwarves.cfg: UtBS S6b: move escape route wall to very back of tunnel https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3b53e74549ab56e747a5d56830a8bab3788069c1 --- Log closed Fri Apr 05 00:00:03 2019